Alabama's #1 Defense (statistically)

[Frozen Sooner]

Just put together some numbers about Alabama's defense that made me think they're not as great as we might suppose.

Alabama is currently #1 among FBS schools allowing 181 yards per game.

Here is a list of teams Alabama has played. First number is yards Alabama allowed. Second number is that team's average in all games played. Third is their offensive ranking.

Kent State 90 avg. 180.57 #120
Penn State 251 avg. 373.14 #78
North Texas 169 avg. 292.43 #111
Arkansas 226 avg. 466.17 #23
Florida 222 avg. 353.71 #89
Vanderbilt 190 avg 292.43#116
Ole Miss 141 avg. 251.83 #117

It appears that the only top-flight offense Alabama has played is Arkansas, even discounting Florida's miserable offensive performance since losing Brantley. There's also the argument that all these teams have played Alabama, and some have played LSU, which would skew the numbers slightly. I don't think over six games it's THAT big a factor though. Glad I looked it up: although Alabama is holding everyone below their average, they're playing some pretty terrible offenses.

Just a thought. Alabama's defense is no doubt stout, but I don't know they're the world-beater people think they are.

[Frozen Sooner]

And sb93, I better get some love from you for this.

[Jacie]

If one were to look at the same numbers from another perspective, it could be said that having played Alabama is the reason those teams rate so low offensively speaking . . .

[Frozen Sooner]

I addressed that point in the post, I thought. After six games, it shouldn't have THAT significant of an effect. I suppose I could go back and calculate what their offensive numbers would be without factoring the Alabama game, and see where that would slot. Maybe I'll do that. I'm bored.

[yermom]

from the title, i thought i was going to have to give you the "we've lost Froze :("

:biggrin:

[delhalew]

Don't know. I would suggest looking deeper. What rushing yards to Pass yards allowed? I feel like they wear teams down and the 2nd half numbers would tell a story. Then there's the all important red zone numbers.

[WildBlueSooner]

I would disagree...Alabama held those teams to these percentages of their normal total:
1) 50%
2) 67%
3) 58%
4) 48%
5) 63%
6) 65%
7) 54%

The average % of a teams normal offense they hold them to is 58...that seems pretty damn good!

[Frozen Sooner]

Kent State
90
180.53
90.53
12.93285714
193.4628571
120


Penn State
251
373.14
122.14
17.448
390.6
65


North Texas
169
292.43
123.43
17.632
310.0
108


Arkansas
226
466.17
240.17
40.028
506.2
11


Florida
222
353.71
131.71
18.815
372.5
80


Vanderbilt
190
292.43
102.43
17.071
309.5
108


Ole Miss
141
251.83
110.83
18.471
270.3
115



OK, the second to last number in each row is what they average without the Alabama game factored in. The last number is where they would rank in D-1.

The point isn't that Alabama's defense isn't good or doesn't hold team below their average. They are and do. The point is that they've played exactly one offense worth a damn all year.

[TXBOOMER]

They have a bad azz defense which is why I believe they beat LSU in a low scoring battle.

[Frozen Sooner]

Dunno. Maybe I'm just tired of hearing how OU's offense really isn't that great because we play terrible defenses in the Big 12. To me, that was convincing evidence that one factor in Alabama's defensive statistics is not playing anyone who can actually move the ball. Take it for what it's worth.

[IBleedCrimson]

i wonder how much yardage was acquired in garbage time vs when alabama was "trying". great info nonetheless. thanks frozen

[Frozen Sooner]

Eh. I think you have to discount that for almost any undefeated team at this point. Everyone's given up some garbage yards at some point.

The one that really sticks out to me (and worries me) is that against a team that has a ton of great receivers, an excellent QB, and a weaker running game they held them 200+ yards below their average. They absolutely dominated the one really good offense they've played.

[boomersooner28]

Any SEC team would crush us. I'm afraid of Kentucky.

Gawd please don't make us play a big bad bully SEC team. They might kill OUr poor kids.

[BoulderSooner79]

Not playing top offenses doesn't mean the Bama defense is not good. Just like Boise playing in the WAC/MWC doesn't mean they are not a good team. Just means they haven't been tested -- but as you also mentioned, they did face a good Arkie offense and held up fine.

[delhalew]

Alabama's front seven are not overrated. There is the rub. It's gonna take one hell of an O-line with endurance from hell to succeed against them.

The rest of the SEC...meh. LSU is dominating, but of the two, I'd consider them easy pickins.

[starclassic tama]

yea you can make stats say just about anything you want. alabama and LSU both have great defenses. better than any OU will see all season. but OU has an offense unlike any bama or LSU will see all season, which reminds me of the talk going into the 2009 BCS title game against florida. the difference is, i think florida was MUCH better that year than LSU or bama this year, and i think OU's defense is better than the 2008 version. i think OU is more likely to score on bama or LSU than vice versa, but only time will tell...

[EatLeadCommie]

Looks to me like Bama's D is filthy. All teams held to more than 100 yards under their season averages except for Kent St., and that's only because Kent St. averages nothing in offense.

[soonerboomer93]

Eh. I think you have to discount that for almost any undefeated team at this point. Everyone's given up some garbage yards at some point.

The one that really sticks out to me (and worries me) is that against a team that has a ton of great receivers, an excellent QB, and a weaker running game they held them 200+ yards below their average. They absolutely dominated the one really good offense they've played.

Is florida really that good on offense? I know brantley's out, but they put up what, 6 points on Auburn? Auburn isn't exactly great this year now that $$$ Newton is in the pro's.

[soonerboomer93]

Alabama's front seven are not overrated. There is the rub. It's gonna take one hell of an O-line with endurance from hell to succeed against them.

The rest of the SEC...meh. LSU is dominating, but of the two, I'd consider them easy pickins.

Also the question is where they're giving up yards, is 'Bama dominating against the run, but not nearly as good against the pass? We know LSU has a stout line, but has some issues against the pass.

[soonerboomer93]

And sb93, I better get some love from you for this.

answers texts bitch, figured you'd be gloating about the chargers and the tebow situation in denver.

I fully believe Elway is just bailing the season, to cut Tebow and draft Luck.


Also, these numbers should be reviewed at the end of the month now that teams are in a meatier schedule. 'Bama isn't exactly playing offensive powerhouses. LSU has beat both Oregon and WVU which are better that what bama has faced.

[cleller]

I was looking over a bunch of stats at the NCAA site. The one that convinced me Bama will beat LSU was "fewest penalties per game".
Bama was #2, LSU #81.

Coincidentally, OSU was #80. Good news.

[Frozen Sooner]

answers texts bitch, figured you'd be gloating about the chargers and the tebow situation in denver.

I fully believe Elway is just bailing the season, to cut Tebow and draft Luck.

Do you even have my phone number? When did you send me a text? I changed numbers about a year ago.



Also, these numbers should be reviewed at the end of the month now that teams are in a meatier schedule. 'Bama isn't exactly playing offensive powerhouses. LSU has beat both Oregon and WVU which are better that what bama has faced.

My point exactly. If, say, Hawai'i were racking up 700 ypg in offense against a bunch of teams ranked in the bottom half of the NCAA in defense, we could acknowledge they're a GOOD offense (and I've said several times that Alabama's defense is very good) without saying their #1 statistical offense was necessarily the best in the country, even if the teams they're playing normally only give up 500 ypg.

[Frozen Sooner]

Is florida really that good on offense? I know brantley's out, but they put up what, 6 points on Auburn? Auburn isn't exactly great this year now that $$$ Newton is in the pro's.

Florida is miserable on offense. I was talking about Arkansas.

[NormanPride]

Arkansas was highly overrated to start the year. Their QB is not great and their WRs are only good compared to the detritus (excepting Jeffery) left over in the SEC after Green and Jones left for the NFL.

[goingoneight]

If I'm counting on a team to line up under center and abuse their opponents, I'm betting on Wisconsin or Alabama WAY before LSU or OU. The thing that makes Alabama stand out is you KNOW they play good defense. LSU every year under Miles sickens me and other fans outside of the Roodge. **** poor offenses and good defenses win big because their ineptitude is masked by how the ball seems to ALWAYS bounce their way. Stoops had that lucky bounce for a few years and eventually it ran out.
Thing is, conventional wisdom says it's a two-horse race for the #2 spot in the MNC right now. No one is dumb enough to bet on either of them against the Alabama/LSU winner (who will vault to and STAY #1 unless someone beats them in New Orleans).
Would you really bet on :les: NOT getting lucky in a dogfight with someone?

[soonerboomer93]

Do you even have my phone number? When did you send me a text? I changed numbers about a year ago.



hmmmm, I guess some one in Alaska is wondering about texts bitching about tebow then

and going "what tornando" a few months ago

[NormanPride]

I love texting random people. You get the best responses.

[dennis580]

Just put together some numbers about Alabama's defense that made me think they're not as great as we might suppose.

Alabama is currently #1 among FBS schools allowing 181 yards per game.

Here is a list of teams Alabama has played. First number is yards Alabama allowed. Second number is that team's average in all games played. Third is their offensive ranking.

Kent State 90 avg. 180.57 #120
Penn State 251 avg. 373.14 #78
North Texas 169 avg. 292.43 #111
Arkansas 226 avg. 466.17 #23
Florida 222 avg. 353.71 #89
Vanderbilt 190 avg 292.43#116
Ole Miss 141 avg. 251.83 #117

It appears that the only top-flight offense Alabama has played is Arkansas, even discounting Florida's miserable offensive performance since losing Brantley. There's also the argument that all these teams have played Alabama, and some have played LSU, which would skew the numbers slightly. I don't think over six games it's THAT big a factor though. Glad I looked it up: although Alabama is holding everyone below their average, they're playing some pretty terrible offenses.

Just a thought. Alabama's defense is no doubt stout, but I don't know they're the world-beater people think they are.

The Bama defense is a WORLD Beater. It is insane. In fact I would much rather see OU play LSU in the NC game despite the game being New Orleans.

[Iam4OUru]

Is florida really that good on offense? I know brantley's out, but they put up what, 6 points on Auburn? Auburn isn't exactly great this year now that $$$ Newton is in the pro's.

Florida padded those stats prior to the game with Bammer. Their OOC sked was pathetic, as usual.

[soonercoop1]

Just put together some numbers about Alabama's defense that made me think they're not as great as we might suppose.

Alabama is currently #1 among FBS schools allowing 181 yards per game.

Here is a list of teams Alabama has played. First number is yards Alabama allowed. Second number is that team's average in all games played. Third is their offensive ranking.

Kent State 90 avg. 180.57 #120
Penn State 251 avg. 373.14 #78
North Texas 169 avg. 292.43 #111
Arkansas 226 avg. 466.17 #23
Florida 222 avg. 353.71 #89
Vanderbilt 190 avg 292.43#116
Ole Miss 141 avg. 251.83 #117

It appears that the only top-flight offense Alabama has played is Arkansas, even discounting Florida's miserable offensive performance since losing Brantley. There's also the argument that all these teams have played Alabama, and some have played LSU, which would skew the numbers slightly. I don't think over six games it's THAT big a factor though. Glad I looked it up: although Alabama is holding everyone below their average, they're playing some pretty terrible offenses.

Just a thought. Alabama's defense is no doubt stout, but I don't know they're the world-beater people think they are.

Looks like against the good teams Bama gives up very few, if any, big plays based on those numbers...

[mightysooner]

Bama hasn't played anyone with an offense who isn't named Arkansas, and they're using a new QB. I read in Sports Illustrated yesterday that they're already calling it best defense of all time. I think the 95 black shirt squad might have something to say about that.