SicEm might actually masturbate himself into a coma with this

[JohnnyMack]

http://www.amazon.com/Suicide-Superpower-Will-America-Survive/dp/0312579977/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1318602119&sr=8-3


Chapter 1: The Passing of a Superpower

“We have accepted today the existence in perpetuity of a permanent underclass of scores of millions who cannot cope and must be carried by society -- fed, clothed, housed, tutored, medicated at taxpayer’s expense their entire lives. We have a dependent nation the size of Spain in our independent America. We have a new division in our country, those who pay a double or triple fare, and those who ride forever free.”

Chapter 2. The End of Christian America

If [Christopher] Dawson is correct, the drive to de-Christianize America, to purge Christianity from the public square, public schools and public life, will prove culturally and socially suicidal for the nation.

“The last consequence of a dying Christianity is a dying people. Not one post-Christian nation has a birth rate sufficient to keep it alive....The death of European Christianity means the disappearance of the European tribe, a prospect visible in the demographic statistics of every Western nation.”

Chapter 3. The Crisis of Catholicism

“Half a century on, the disaster is manifest. The robust and confident Church of 1958 no longer exists. Catholic colleges and universities remain Catholic in name only. Parochial schools and high schools are closing as rapidly as they opened in the 1950s. The numbers of nuns, priests and seminarians have fallen dramatically. Mass attendance is a third of what it was. From the former Speaker of the House to the Vice President, Catholic politicians openly support abortion on demand.”

“How can Notre Dame credibly teach that all innocent life is sacred, and then honor a president committed to ensuring that a woman’s right to end the life of her innocent child remains sacrosanct?”

Chapter 4. The End of White America

“[W]hite America is an endangered species. By 2020, whites over 65 will out-number those 17 and under. Deaths will exceed births. The white population will begin to shrink and, should present birth rates persist, slowly disappear.”

“Mexico is moving north. Ethnically, linguistically and culturally, the verdict of 1848 is being over-turned. Will this Mexican nation within a nation advance the goals of the Constitution -- to “insure domestic tranquility” and ‘make us a more perfect union’? Or have we imperiled our union?” (Page 134)

Chapter 5. Demographic Winter

“Peoples of European descent are not only in a relative but a real decline. They are aging, dying, disappearing. This is the existential crisis of the West.” (Page 166)

“Not any Iranian weapon of mass destruction but demography is the existential crisis Israel faces....By mid-century...Palestinians west of the Jordan river will out-number Jews 2-1. Add Palestinians in Jordan, it is 3-1.”

“In a startling development of history, Russia’s population has fallen from 148 million in 1991 to 140 million today and is projected to plunge to 116 million by 2050, a loss of 32 million Russians in six decades.”

Chapter 6. Equality Vs. Freedom

“Those who would change society begin by changing the meaning of words. At Howard University, LBJ changed the meaning of equality from the attainable -- an end to segregation and a legislated equality of rights for African-Americans -- to the impossible: a socialist utopia.”

“Where equality is enthroned, freedom is extinguished. The rise of the egalitarian society means the death of the free society.”

“A time for truth. As most kids do not have the athletic ability to play high school sports, or the musical ability to play in the band, or the verbal ability to excel in debate, not every child has the academic ability to do high school work. No two children are created equal, not even identical twins. The family is the incubator of inequality and God its author.”

Chapter 7. The Diversity Cult

“The non-Europeanization of America is heartening news of an almost transcendental quality,” Wattenberg trilled.4 Yet, one wonders: What kind of man looks with transcendental joy to a day when the people among whom he was raised have become a minority in a nation where the majority rules?”

“Historians will look back in stupor at 20th and 21st century Americans who believed the magnificent republic they inherited would be enriched by bringing in scores of millions from the failed states of the Third World.”

Chapter 8: The Triumph Of Tribalism

America’s war of revenge against Japan was a race war. Newsreels, movies, magazines, comic books, headlines treated “Japs” as a repulsive race whose extermination would benefit mankind....Only well after the war was over was it re-branded a war to bring the blessings of democracy to...Japan.

We may deny the existence of ethnonationalism, detest it, condemn it. But this creator and destroyer of empires and nations is a force infinitely more powerful than globalism, for it engages the heart. Men will die for it. Religion, race, culture and tribe are the four horsemen of the coming apocalypse.

Chapter 9. ‘The White Party’

“Through its support of mass immigration, its paralysis in power to prevent 12-20 million illegal aliens from entering and staying, its failure to address the “anchor-baby” issue, the Republican Party has birthed a new electorate that will send it the way of the Whigs.”

Chapter 10: The Long Retreat

“We borrow from Europe to defend Europe. We borrow from the Gulf states to defend the Gulf states. We borrow from Japan to defend Japan. Is it not a symptom of senility to be borrowing from the world so we can defend the world?”

“Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”

Chapter 11: The Last Chance

“We are trying to create a nation that has never before existed, of all the races, tribes, cultures and creeds of Earth, where all are equal. In this utopian drive for the perfect society of our dreams we are killing the real country we inherited -- the best and greatest country on earth.”


-from Drudge

[TUSooner]

Patrick J. Buchanan. Well, well. I wonder what type of social engineering he suggests as a solution.

[NormanPride]

Wow, that's a crazy person.

[Midtowner]

Patrick J. Buchanan. Well, well. I wonder what type of social engineering he suggests as a solution.

Perhaps a "final" solution?

/godwin's law

[badger]

Nope. No mention of RG3.

http://jayjanner.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/jwj-ut-baylor-02.jpg

Or the scary woman he thinks is hotter than Sherri:

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Or the dunking punching chick:

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NOW you might see Sic get excited :D

[SicEmBaylor]

I had this pre-ordered on Amazon within 60 seconds of seeing it posted on Drudge this morning.

[badger]

I had this pre-ordered on Amazon within 60 seconds of seeing it posted on Drudge this morning.

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[SicEmBaylor]

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Not even remotely sarcastic.

Pat Buchanan is one of my real heroes. I've read and enjoyed everything he has previous written, and I suspect this newest book will be no different.

There is typically very little daylight between PAB's opinions and my own. Buchanan is Catholic and his desire to see a return of traditional Catholicism typically scares the **** out of me. Catholics scare the **** out of me. He and I differ in that I consider the western-Christian heritage to be important more in an abstract kind of way that acts as the glue that binds European culture together; he has a somewhat more concrete and dogmatic view of what Christian identity should mean to western heritage.

But that is relatively minor quibbling.

[SicEmBaylor]

Patrick J. Buchanan. Well, well. I wonder what type of social engineering he suggests as a solution.
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/6/b/6b0bc_ORIG-i_see_what_you_did_there_obama.jpg

...but he would argue that social engineering is what created the problem in the first place.

[KantoSooner]

The Pilgrims were incensed and worried about being overwhelmed by the Puritan newcomers in Boston. Both were upset by the fishing communities that came to Rhode Island. All three were terribly concerned by the Dutch in New Amsterdam....and so on. As a wise woman once said, "If it's not one thing, it's another thing" (R. Roseannadanna, circa 1979).
Hell, the Irish weren't even considered white until sometime in the 1920's when it became more current to worry about the Jews and the Italians. (at the same time when Mexican immigration was being encouraged to squeeze out the Chinese and Japanese).
Patty needs to calm down. It's official: the sky is not falling.

[OhU1]

Looks like White Nationalist xenophobia to me. Pat is VERY hung up on race.

Fear the brown people!

[SicEmBaylor]

I know PAB can sometimes come across as sounding somewhat racist. Trust me, I know. However, I truly do not believe the man has a racist bone in his body. Buchananis simply a lot like me...a southern agrarian old-right conservative. Perhaps globalism and a multi-ethnic society with diverse customs and questionable allegiances isn't such a good thing? Perhaps there's something to be said for seeking to preserve our western European identity? Our nation is built upon an Anglo-Saxon legal tradition and our founding principles were born straight out of the European enlightenment.

I haven't read the book yet, but I absolutely would not mourn the death of our "super power" status. Our global power expanded well beyond what was intended or sustainable by a Republic of freely-associated sovereign states. As our power grew abroad, the power of the centralized state had to grow at home. Small Republics cannot maintain an empire (this is why the Roman Republic gave way to the Roman Empire). As a result of our success, we have been inundated with generations of immigrants from nations that don't necessarily understand or accept the legal and political traditions that created our success.

I see opportunity in disaster. Perhaps a collapse of the American Empire will create an opportunity to rebuild the American Republic. A smaller, more humble, and far more de-centralized America would be the best-case scenario.

[TUSooner]

Pat a paranoid, racist xenophobe?

Only if he suggests that "non-white" people cannot embrace the Anglo-Saxon legal tradition and accept the concept of individual rights and reponsibilities.

So, yeah, I guess so.

[SicEmBaylor]

Pat a paranoid, racist xenophobe?

Only if he suggests that "non-white" people cannot embrace the Anglo-Saxon legal tradition and accept the concept of individual rights and reponsibilities.

So, yeah, I guess so.

I'm sure they can, but I'm not so sure that they will. They don't exactly have a great track record of embracing these principles in their native countries.

[NormanPride]

Understand or accept legal traditions? What does this even mean? This is complete and utter horse**** and everyone here knows it. What immigrants are undermining our legal or societal structure? And I'm not talking about illegals committing crimes, because that isn't undermining anything. SicEm, this **** is seriously scary. You're blaming very generalized and poorly defined "problems" with society on "outsiders" with very vague terms and a lot of racist undertones. That **** is straight out of every dictator ever's handbook.

What you need to concentrate on is the dissolution of the middle class. THAT's where your problems lie. The American dream has become nigh-impossible to attain by anyone, let alone poor immigrants with poor education. Don't blame it on impoverished newcomers that just want to better themselves.

Seriously, go to a citizenship commencement ceremony. See the tears.

[SicEmBaylor]

I mean someone has to defend white people. He's just tired of us being treated like 3rd class citizens.

[NormanPride]

**** yeah, we've got it rough. :rolleyes: <- I am not constipated, that is me rolling my eyes.

[diverdog]

I know PAB can sometimes come across as sounding somewhat racist. Trust me, I know. However, I truly do not believe the man has a racist bone in his body. Buchananis simply a lot like me...a southern agrarian old-right conservative. Perhaps globalism and a multi-ethnic society with diverse customs and questionable allegiances isn't such a good thing? Perhaps there's something to be said for seeking to preserve our western European identity? Our nation is built upon an Anglo-Saxon legal tradition and our founding principles were born straight out of the European enlightenment.

I haven't read the book yet, but I absolutely would not mourn the death of our "super power" status. Our global power expanded well beyond what was intended or sustainable by a Republic of freely-associated sovereign states. As our power grew abroad, the power of the centralized state had to grow at home. Small Republics cannot maintain an empire (this is why the Roman Republic gave way to the Roman Empire). As a result of our success, we have been inundated with generations of immigrants from nations that don't necessarily understand or accept the legal and political traditions that created our success.

I see opportunity in disaster. Perhaps a collapse of the American Empire will create an opportunity to rebuild the American Republic. A smaller, more humble, and far more de-centralized America would be the best-case scenario.

Pat is one of my favorite rightees. I loved him on Crossfire. He can be out there on occassions but I think he really loves America.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Understand or accept legal traditions? What does this even mean? This is complete and utter horse**** and everyone here knows it. What immigrants are undermining our legal or societal structure? And I'm not talking about illegals committing crimes, because that isn't undermining anything. SicEm, this **** is seriously scary. You're blaming very generalized and poorly defined "problems" with society on "outsiders" with very vague terms and a lot of racist undertones. That **** is straight out of every dictator ever's handbook.

What you need to concentrate on is the dissolution of the middle class. THAT's where your problems lie. The American dream has become nigh-impossible to attain by anyone, let alone poor immigrants with poor education. Don't blame it on impoverished newcomers that just want to better themselves.

Seriously, go to a citizenship commencement ceremony. See the tears."C-can't we j-just all GET ALONG?" -Rodney King

[SicEmBaylor]

Understand or accept legal traditions? What does this even mean?
This means that large immigrant populations from 3rd world countries are unlikely to either understand or respect our emphasis on the rule of law or the political tradition of limited-government and individual liberty. This seems fairly clear considering where they come from. Mexico, Central America, and South America are hardly bastions of nations founded on the principles of limited-government, individual liberty, and the rule of law. In many of these countries, you likely better carry a wad of cash on you at all times just to bribe the cops from arresting you. When these people come to the United States, they couldn't give three ****s that a bunch of British-Americans in the 18th century founded this nation on principles from the European Enlightenment. They care about making money for their families and/or themselves. Some try it legally; some try it illegally; however, all of them manipulate the system to serve their own ends. Both political parties are quick to sign these people up to vote and spend a considerable amount of effort each election in pandering to their interests and those interests are hardly compatible with our limited-government principles. I'm not saying Anglo-Saxons are any better, but at least that's our cultural heritage. Millions of immigrants simply compounds the problem.

This is complete and utter horse**** and everyone here knows it. What immigrants are undermining our legal or societal structure?
Well, primarily Mexicans. I don't say that because I hate Mexicans (I don't), but they are simply the largest immigrant population by a long-shot.

And I'm not talking about illegals committing crimes, because that isn't undermining anything.
It undermines everything. Allowing this to happen is undermining our culture, our laws, and the very fabric of our nation.

SicEm, this **** is seriously scary. You're blaming very generalized and poorly defined "problems" with society on "outsiders" with very vague terms and a lot of racist undertones. That **** is straight out of every dictator ever's handbook.
Now up to this point you were making valid arguments, but this is just absolute nonsense. If things seem generalized, that's because I'm talking about national problems here on a macro-sized level. I'm not a policy wonk, so if you want me to quote specificnumbers and their specific impact on specific policy issues within a specific time frame then you're just out of luck and I'll have to concede that point to you until someone else more able can take up the cause.


What you need to concentrate on is the dissolution of the middle class. THAT's where your problems lie. The American dream has become nigh-impossible to attain by anyone, let alone poor immigrants with poor education. Don't blame it on impoverished newcomers that just want to better themselves.
Oh these problems were certainly not caused by immigrants or outsider, but they are most certainly compounding the problem and making it difficult if not impossible to fix. We cannot return to a reduced sized American Republic with a de-centralized government so long as we are trying to sustain an influx of millions of 3rd world immigrants whose culture is unfamiliar and unacquainted with the principles that created the American Republic.


Seriously, go to a citizenship commencement ceremony. See the tears.
Sorry, sob stories aren't going to do a damned thing to change my mind.

[cleller]

Its all down to whether you are at core a conservative or liberal.

"The drug trade in Mexico is ruining the county. Who fault is it?" Coservatives-drug sellers in Mexico. Liberals-drug buyers in US (but not me)

"In Clinton's presidency everything was great" Liberals: that's right. Conservatives: Republicans in Congress

"George Bush ruined everything" Conservatives: Democrats in Congress. (or I voted for McCain) Liberals: That's right.

On the race issue, one thing that troubles me is the mixed messages sent when discussing race. "Old white men" are to blame for everything. "White people" can't see this, "He's so white" that. Yet any mention of a generality of another race is too hot to handle.
A true crusader for the cause of racial equality would be outraged that other races are told "oh that's good enough, you're not white". "Your scores don't have to be as high, you're not white". "We'll go ahead and promote you because you're not white".
How does that help a race to better itself, exactly? Its degrading, and condescending.

If you can't tell, I voted for McCain.

[SicEmBaylor]

If you can't tell, I voted for McCain.
...and that's where you went wrong.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

In his heart, Pat Buchanan is a Quota guy to the bone:




From Pat Buchanan's May 14 syndicated column:

Indeed, of the last seven justices nominated by Democrats JFK, LBJ, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, one was black, Marshall; one was Puerto Rican, Sonia Sotomayor. The other five were Jews: Arthur Goldberg, Abe Fortas, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan.

If Kagan is confirmed, Jews, who represent less than 2 percent of the U.S. population, will have 33 percent of the Supreme Court seats.

Is this the Democrats' idea of diversity?

But while leaders in the black community may be upset, the folks who look more like the real targets of liberal bias are white Protestants and Catholics, who still constitute well over half of the U.S. population.

Not in living memory has a Democratic president nominated an Irish, Italian or Polish Catholic, though these ethnic communities once gave the party its greatest victories in the cities and states of the North.

What happened to the party of the Daleys, Rizzos and Rostenkowskis?

And not in nearly half a century has a Democratic president nominated a white Protestant or white Catholic man or woman.

[...]

If Kagan is confirmed, the Court will consist of three Jews and six Catholics (who represent not quite a fourth of the country), but not a single Protestant, though Protestants remain half the nation and our founding faith.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The above from Buchanan says as much about economic politics as it does about race or religion.

[cleller]

The above from Buchanan says as much about economic politics as it does about race or religion.

If the Supreme Court had a nice healthy mix of religions, but not of colors and sexes, we'd hear about that every day until it was fixed.

Guess this means that either the separation of church and state works, or more likely old money still has its privileges.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Can you imagine Buchanan incensed that neither the pubs nor the donks have ever nominated and selected a female for their Presidential candidate, even though women represent 50% of the population?

I can't either.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Can you imagine Buchanan incensed that neither the pubs nor the donks have ever nominated and selected a female for their Presidential candidate, even though women represent 50% of the population?

I can't either.Does that twist up the panties for you?

[East Coast Bias]

Did this nutjob ever consider that maybe these judges were nominated based on their background, experience,education and ideaology and not the color of their skin or ethic background? He is sufficiently obsessed with race and ethnic background in my books to qualify as as a racist. That totally negates any of his other observations...

[SicEmBaylor]

Did this nutjob ever consider that maybe these judges were nominated based on their background, experience,education and ideaology and not the color of their skin or ethic background?
PAB is perfectly aware of the background of each and everyone of those judges and the reason why they were nominated to the bench. The reason he was pointing out the race of the various judges nominated by Democrat administrations is to demonstrate that their idea of "diversity" is contrary to what most people would consider. His point being that Democrats favor certain ethnic groups over others.

He is sufficiently obsessed with race and ethnic background in my coloring and pop-up books to qualify as as a racist. That totally negates any of his other observations...
So because he critiques the nomination practices of certain Democratic administrations and demonstrates their lack of diversity he suddenly hates every other ethnicity? Seriously?

The term "racist" is way way way way way the hell overused. The term "prejudicial" is way way way way the hell underused.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

PAB is perfectly aware of the background of each and everyone of those judges and the reason why they were nominated to the bench. The reason he was pointing out the race of the various judges nominated by Democrat administrations is to demonstrate that their idea of "diversity" is contrary to what most people would consider. His point being that Democrats favor certain ethnic groups over others.

Bottom line: the democrats mostly favor certain ideologies.

[SicEmBaylor]

Bottom line: the democrats mostly favor certain ideologies.
Which is markedly different than Republicans, how? Except for the ideologies being favored of course...

[47straight]

Pat is one of my favorite rightees. I loved him on Crossfire. He can be out there on occassions but I think he really loves America.

I'm with you on this. I'll disagree with a fair number of his views but often he makes points that are worth chewing on, and that's the mark of someone worth having around.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Which is markedly different than Republicans, how? Except for the ideologies being favored of course...Bring our boys and girls home, immediately, and let 'er rip! They can go nuts on the newly legalized smack, and be just fine!... That's YOUR boy Sicem!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

BTW, which democrat presidents appointed Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts to the Supreme Court? (IOW, please stop being foolish, just to show that not all republicans are 100% conservative, as if people here don't already know that)

[NormanPride]

words words words

Do you have any evidence to back any of this up? Or is it all just "they're from different cultures and that's bad for us"? All I've heard from you is sensationalized stereotypes about how every other nation's government is a corrupt pile of evil, and that everyone from those countries is going to bring that evil to us. The governments may be corrupt piles of evil, but your average immigrant isn't going to know anything about that. They're coming here to get away from these bad governments, not to perpetuate them. Why leave your dirty hovel and go to the land of golden opportunity only to try and turn it into your dirty hovel again?

Oh, these new people coming in are different so they must be undermining our culture. I don't know about you, but I don't see a lot of culture undermining going on. Sure, there's a lot of idiots on capitol hill, but when hasn't that been true? The evil Mexican invasion isn't suddenly changing our political culture, the dependence on welfare and the degradation of the middle class is. Also, blaming the centralization of government power on them is silly. If they know nothing of how our government works, then we just have to TELL them about states' rights.

[East Coast Bias]

Ohu1 has it right, seems a lot like white nationalist Xenophobia. I had seriously hoped we had gotten past George Wallace and Lester Maddox.

[Blue]

Sic Em for President. Srsly.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Sic Em for President. Srsly.





Problem is, Sic em hasn't changed all that much since he was 6.














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[SanJoaquinSooner]

And Sic em on this cultural thing...

European Enlightenment, etc. Well, if the culture thing was THAT important, I guess the big mistakes include admitting Texas and California into the union after so recently being part of Mexico. Actually making the whole west coast part of the U.S. would be a mistake with The Pacific Rim opening up the Asian migration in a big way.

And come to think of it, how has Europe done? I guess the European Enlightenment didn't inhibit cradle-to-grave welfare in its French cradle.

Immigration has served us well. We need new blood, new ideas, new energy, lest you turn incestuous and inbred worse than British royalty.

[SicEmBaylor]

Problem is, Sic em hasn't changed all that much since he was 6.

Now you'd best be nice. If you learn to start playing your cards right with me then when I'm President, I'll tell ICE to be somewhat gentle with you as they deport you back to Veracruz.

[Blue]

And Sic em on this cultural thing...

European Enlightenment, etc. Well, if the culture thing was THAT important, I guess the big mistakes include admitting Texas and California into the union after so recently being part of Mexico. Actually making the whole west coast part of the U.S. would be a mistake with The Pacific Rim opening up the Asian migration in a big way.

And come to think of it, how has Europe done? I guess the European Enlightenment didn't inhibit cradle-to-grave welfare in its French cradle.

Immigration has served us well. We need new blood, new ideas, new energy, lest you turn incestuous and inbred worse than British royalty.

Yes. The unsustainable Welfare Nation is working out beautifully. Socialist Europe as well as the US is learning that the govt sooner or later runs out of food.

[Ike]

I think the real question should be: If SicEm wasn't around, would anyone buy Pat Buchanan's books?

I think it's a toss up.

[Midtowner]

Yes. The unsustainable Welfare Nation is working out beautifully. Socialist Europe as well as the US is learning that the govt sooner or later runs out of food.

Yeah, like in Germany. What a socialist hellhole.

Socialism, like capitalism, can be managed well or horribly mismanaged (Greece, for example). To say that it doesn't work is simply not accurate. The countries in the world with the best education systems, health systems and prosperous middle classes are socialist in nature.

[47straight]

Germany LOL at our meager unemployment rate.

[AlboSooner]

Yeah, like in Germany. What a socialist hellhole.

Socialism, like capitalism, can be managed well or horribly mismanaged (Greece, for example). To say that it doesn't work is simply not accurate. The countries in the world with the best education systems, health systems and prosperous middle classes are socialist in nature.

What is baffling to reason, is when people who profit from social programs, criticize and demonize social programs. If this country was a capitalist country and nothing else, then you should forget about public universities and public schools.

[AlboSooner]

Yes. The unsustainable Welfare Nation is working out beautifully. Socialist Europe as well as the US is learning that the govt sooner or later runs out of food.Especially when the govt wages wars for companies, and when it bails out companies, and when it allows wall street to steal retirement plans.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Bottom line, govt. has all the power. It is SO easy and tempting to abuse by those in control of it, and our founders realized that so well that they constructed a govt. that is designed better than any before it. It's now being ripped apart, and the Nannystate is taking shape. Far too many of our citizens either aren't concerned, or don't realize the magnitude of the problem.

[Blue]

Especially when the govt wages wars for companies, and when it bails out companies, and when it allows wall street to steal retirement plans.

So we are really more fascist than anything else.

[JohnnyMack]

Bottom line, govt. has all the power. It is SO easy and tempting to abuse by those in control of it, and our founders realized that so well that they constructed a govt. that is designed better than any before it. It's now being ripped apart, and the Nannystate is taking shape. Far too many of our citizens either aren't concerned, or don't realize the magnitude of the problem.

Do you think large corporations exert undue influence on the federal government through the use of lobbyists?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Do you think large corporations exert undue influence on the federal government through the use of lobbyists?The politicians have all the power. To think otherwise is wrong.

[AlboSooner]

So we are really more fascist than anything else.
we are a big lie.

[AlboSooner]

The politicians have all the power. To think otherwise is wrong.

They like to hold a power, regardless to whom that power serves. Political power in the US is held by the people, and political elite, but the power mainly serves corporations.