Harris Poll has OU#3

[LASooner]

Harris Poll


RK
TEAM
RECORD
PTS
PVS


1
LSU (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/99/lsu-tigers) (71)
6-0
2813
11


2
Alabama (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/333/alabama-crimson-tide) (17)
6-0
2728
16


3
Oklahoma (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/201/oklahoma-sooners) (24)
5-0
2714
9


4
Wisconsin (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/275/wisconsin-badgers) (1)
5-0
2432
4


5
Boise State (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/68/boise-state-broncos) (1)
5-0
2353
10


6
Oklahoma State (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/197/oklahoma-state-cowboys)
5-0
2300
15


7
Stanford (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/24/stanford-cardinal) (1)
5-0
2297
5


8
Clemson (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/228/clemson-tigers)
6-0
2090
NR


9
Oregon (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/2483/oregon-ducks)
4-1
1898
2


10
Michigan (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/130/michigan-wolverines)
6-0
1723
NR


11
Arkansas (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/8/arkansas-razorbacks)
5-1
1691
8


12
Georgia Tech (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/59/georgia-tech-yellow-jackets)
6-0
1621
NR


13
Nebraska (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/158/nebraska-cornhuskers)
5-1
1292
17


14
Illinois (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/356/illinois-fighting-illini)
6-0
1255
NR


15
South Carolina (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/2579/south-carolina-gamecocks)
5-1
1195
20


16
West Virginia (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/277/west-virginia-mountaineers)
5-1
1121
21


17
Kansas State (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/2306/kansas-state-wildcats)
5-0
1018
NR


18
Virginia Tech (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/259/virginia-tech-hokies)
5-1
945
12


19
Arizona State (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/9/arizona-state-sun-devils)
5-1
731
NR


20
Texas (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/251/texas-longhorns)
4-1
562
NR


21
Baylor (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/239/baylor-bears)
4-1
560
NR


22
Michigan State (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/127/michigan-state-spartans)
4-1
495
7


23
Texas A&M (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/245/texas-aggies)
3-2
346
18


24
Houston (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/248/houston-cougars)
6-0
274
NR


25
Florida (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/57/florida-gators)
4-2
206
NR






http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/poll/5


(http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/poll/5)

[boomersooner28]

Will someone plz explain to me what Alabama has done that is more impressive than us? They beat Arkansas at home. Whoopty. They smashed Florida in the swamp, ok...Florida isn't even ranked anymore. I can see how LSU's wins are impressive, but Bama? I dunno.

[unbiasedtruth]

is FSU ranked, how about Mizzou..... what is hurting OU right now is teams we have beaten keep losing dragging us down with them..... wait until lil' bro from up north delivers another butthole stomping to * next weekend and drops them from the polls

[boomersooner28]

I can see the writing on the wall. Bama and LSU will have a slugfest come Nov 5 and the talking heads/voters will want a rematch for the MNC.

[pphilfran]

I can see the writing on the wall. Bama and LSU will have a slugfest come Nov 5 and the talking heads/voters will want a rematch for the MNC.

The Sooners keep winning and the talking heads won't make any difference...

[SoonerMom2]

Why do they keep saying it it where a team is ranked when you play them? Don't get it if a team is ranked #5 when you play them and they drop it should have zero to do with anything.

We are right behind AL and should be able to overtake them pretty easily. They have a championship which means that only LSU or AL can go to their Championship which will drop the other one down below us. Since FL isn't very good why isn't that affecting AL and LSU if FSU and MO are affecting us?

[King Barry's Back]

Why do they keep saying it it where a team is ranked when you play them? Don't get it if a team is ranked #5 when you play them and they drop it should have zero to do with anything.

We are right behind AL and should be able to overtake them pretty easily. They have a championship which means that only LSU or AL can go to their Championship which will drop the other one down below us. Since FL isn't very good why isn't that affecting AL and LSU if FSU and MO are affecting us?

I'll take a swing at a one of your questions. They keep referring to an opponent's ranking, at the time the game was played, for a couple of reasons. First, a high rank makes it a big game with national TV and lots of attention - so the fact that FSU was 5th when we played them says that OU knows how to handle the extra pressure of a big game.

Also, FSU probably was legitimately a top 10 team when we played them. But we put nine of their players out of action, and they are no longer the same team as they were before.

[SoonerMom2]

Thanks! That's what I thought but then I have been seeing comments and thought maybe I was wrong.

[oumartin]

Oh, they talk about where a team was ranked when they played when they talk about the SEC but thats it.

[BlownGP]

I can see the writing on the wall. Bama and LSU will have a slugfest come Nov 5 and the talking heads/voters will want a rematch for the MNC.

hell yeah. You know if they could, they damn well would....

F the SEC and there bandwagon fans

[Plexis22]

If OU and OSU are undefeated when they meet Dec 3 then the winner will play the SEC champion in the National Championship. If Wisconsin/Boise St/Stanford are undefeated they will be left out. OU would still go if OSU had one loss because they would still be a Top 15 team on the road the last game of the regular season.

Having KSU as a Top 15 team when we play in Manhattan also helps. They play Tech and KU before us so very possible.

[Sabanball]

Will someone plz explain to me what Alabama has done that is more impressive than us? They beat Arkansas at home. Whoopty. They smashed Florida in the swamp, ok...Florida isn't even ranked anymore. I can see how LSU's wins are impressive, but Bama? I dunno.


I'll tell you, for the same reason that the computers have us ahead of you--It basically comes down to SOS. We've beaten three ranked teams(ranked when we played them), and to date we are each of those team's only loss, with the only exception of UF who's only other defeat is to top ranked LSU in Baton Rouge. Also, no one has come within 16 pts of us. Our D is only giving up 7 pts a game also. As long as those trends continue, and they may or may not, we will stay ahead of you in the computer polls.

avg. game scores for Bama and OU so far

Bama 38-7
OU 45-16

[rekamrettuB]

Just win baby.

[Iam4OUru]

Why do they keep saying it it where a team is ranked when you play them? Don't get it if a team is ranked #5 when you play them and they drop it should have zero to do with anything.

We are right behind AL and should be able to overtake them pretty easily. They have a championship which means that only LSU or AL can go to their Championship which will drop the other one down below us. Since FL isn't very good why isn't that affecting AL and LSU if FSU and MO are affecting us?

Exactly! LSU now claims to have beaten 4 "ranked" teams. They should only be considered "ranked" if they are curently "ranked".

[Iam4OUru]

I'll tell you, for the same reason that the computers have us ahead of you--It basically comes down to SOS. We've beaten three ranked teams(ranked when we played them), and to date we are each of those team's only loss, with the only exception of UF who's only other defeat is to top ranked LSU in Baton Rouge. Also, no one has come within 16 pts. Our D is only giving up 7 pts a game also. As long as those trends continue, and they may or may not, we will stay ahead of you in the computer polls.

Bammer has one currently "ranked" team on it's sked and that is LSU. Since OU has 4, it is conceivable (but certainly not likely) that the Sooners could jump them in this poll. Just for the record, I don't buy into this "ranked when we played" crap, but, I understand that it's an SEC thing.

[Sabanball]

Bammer has one currently "ranked" team on it's sked and that is LSU. Since OU has 4, it is conceivable (but certainly not likely) that the Sooners could jump them in this poll. Just for the record, I don't buy into this "ranked when we played" crap, but, I understand that it's an SEC thing.


So your conceding that your win against FSU was pretty much meaningless, and that your win against the whorn's will probably be too in a couple of weeks? That's not how I see it, but using that logic you would have mean that also.

And btw, Penn State, Arkansas, and LSU are all ranked in the new poll out today, and we play all three of them, beating two of them already.

At this point in time, I see the Sooners, LSU, and Bama as being very evenly matched if they play each other, so much so that to me WHERE they play could be the only difference in my prediction.

[Iam4OUru]

So your conceding that your win against FSU was pretty much meaningless, and that your win against the whorn's will probably be too in a couple of weeks?

And btw, Penn State, Arkansas, and LSU are all ranked in the new poll out today, and we play all three of them, beating two of them already.

At this point in time, I see the Sooners, LSU, and Bama as being very evenly matched if they play each other, so much so that to me WHERE they play could be the only difference in my prediction.

As someone else pointed out here this weekend, I think the energy in Doak Campbell Stadium had more to do with it being a close game than Fisher's team did. Scoring 30 points and losing to Wake Forest is totally inexcusable, IMO, especially when their defense was billed as their strong suit. I don't see the Texas team that played in Dallas yesterday getting around 3 more losses this year. So, to answer your question, I don't think either one will add to OU's credbility. But, I do think there is enough quality in the conference to help.

[tulsaoilerfan]

So your conceding that your win against FSU was pretty much meaningless, and that your win against the whorn's will probably be too in a couple of weeks? That's not how I see it, but using that logic you would have mean that also.

And btw, Penn State, Arkansas, and LSU are all ranked in the new poll out today, and we play all three of them, beating two of them already.

At this point in time, I see the Sooners, LSU, and Bama as being very evenly matched if they play each other, so much so that to me WHERE they play could be the only difference in my prediction.

No offense but Penn State is not a very good team; honestly i don't think Arkie is that good either but only time will tell on that

[Sabanball]

No offense but Penn State is not a very good team; honestly i don't think Arkie is that good either but only time will tell on that

Huh?

So.....I assume you mean if they were 6-0 then they could be considered 'good' teams, right? Both teams are 5-1 and their only loss is to Bama--and neither game was even close.

[StoopTroup]

I'll tell you, for the same reason that the computers have us ahead of you--It basically comes down to SOS. We've beaten three ranked teams(ranked when we played them), and to date we are each of those team's only loss, with the only exception of UF who's only other defeat is to top ranked LSU in Baton Rouge. Also, no one has come within 16 pts of us. Our D is only giving up 7 pts a game also. As long as those trends continue, and they may or may not, we will stay ahead of you in the computer polls.

avg. game scores for Bama and OU so far

Bama 38-7
OU 45-16

Phil Steele has you at #24 in SOS and us at #25 so there's one poll that doesn't agree with a damn thing you have to say.

http://www.fbschedules.com/2011/06/phil-steele-2011-college-football-strength-of-schedule-rankings/

Then Anderson and Hester has you at #1 and us at #8 but tejas at #2 which we just demolished...

http://www.andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html

Billingsly has us at 300.292 and you at 300.427 so I just don't think your delusion is gonna hold up by week 8.

http://www.cfrc.com/Ratings_2011/WK_6.htm

Now we can go to the Colley Matrix (The simplest of the polls) and Alabama and OU are 1 & 2

http://www.colleyrankings.com/currank.html

The Massey Ratings.....not much change there....

http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

OUr old nemesis Jeff Sagarin is definitely in love with Bama and LSU but has OU 3rd....

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm

And finally Peter Wolfe who won't post anything until week 8....

http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cfootball/ratings.htm

[Widescreen]

Huh?

So.....I assume you mean if they were 6-0 then they could be considered 'good' teams, right? Both teams are 5-1 and their only loss is to Bama--and neither game was even close.
I don't know about the hogs, but you can't seriously think that PSU is any good. I've watched them 3 times and they've not impressed at all. Their offense is pathetic.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Penn State is good defensively and horrible with the ball....But they keep winning

[Tear Down This Wall]

SEC is the strongest conference; that's no secret. Until they get as mediocre and unstable as the Big 12 is, they will get the benefit of the doubt from poll voters.

Nobody cares that we beat crappy Texas and not-ready-for-prime-time Mizzou. Such is life in the Big 12.

[Iam4OUru]

Huh?

So.....I assume you mean if they were 6-0 then they could be considered 'good' teams, right? Both teams are 5-1 and their only loss is to Bama--and neither game was even close.

PSU will lose 3 conference games...no way around it. You may fnd that your sked, at season's end, is just not as strong as you thought. In case you haven't heard...the SEC ain't what it used to be.

[Iam4OUru]

SEC is the strongest conference; that's no secret. Until they get as mediocre and unstable as the Big 12 is, they will get the benefit of the doubt from poll voters.

Nobody cares that we beat crappy Texas and not-ready-for-prime-time Mizzou. Such is life in the Big 12.

Not according to the latest polls.They may be a tad above the Big XII but not the gap of previous years.

[Howzit]

tejas went from NR to 20?

[StoopTroup]

tejas went from NR to 20?

They do want they want when they want....lol

[StoopTroup]

SEC is the strongest conference; that's no secret. Until they get as mediocre and unstable as the Big 12 is, they will get the benefit of the doubt from poll voters.

Nobody cares that we beat crappy Texas and not-ready-for-prime-time Mizzou. Such is life in the Big 12.

That's what they are trying to make become a self fulling prophecy so that everything certain Sports Reporters and Fans will be happy that all their dreams will come true but when Oklahoma comes to Town....nobody takes the week off and calls off practice because they believe any of it. Even Mack did a walk through with his players at the Cotton Bowl this weekend and he's never ever done that before. Even he was looking for any edge he could find to deal with our up-tempo offensive juggernaut.

[rekamrettuB]

tejas went from NR to 20?

Last year's year end poll. Notice OU, Bammer, LSU all jumped a bunch.

[Tear Down This Wall]

That's what they are trying to make become a self fulling prophecy so that everything certain Sports Reporters and Fans will be happy that all their dreams will come true but when Oklahoma comes to Town....nobody takes the week off and calls off practice because they believe any of it. Even Mack did a walk through with his players at the Cotton Bowl this weekend and he's never ever done that before. Even he was looking for any edge he could find to deal with our up-tempo offensive juggernaut.

Producing five national champions in a row tends to do that for a conference. It's no prophecy when it happens every year.

[jkjsooner]

At this point in time, I see the Sooners, LSU, and Bama as being very evenly matched if they play each other, so much so that to me WHERE they play could be the only difference in my prediction.

Lucky you, 50% of national championship sites are right in the heart of SEC territory. (Unless Miami is in the game the city might as well owned by the SEC.)


Let's get a championship game in Dallas for once and make LSU play us there. Or how about a game in Cincy and make LSU play OSU there.

[Tear Down This Wall]

The location excuse is lame. There's no secret about where the national title games are held. We've won the 2000 title against a Florida school at the Orange Bowl.

No excuses. Just win when you get there. Excuses about location are lame. We've signed on to the BCS, so we understand fully where the games will be held.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

TDTW the piggie fan still fellating the sec. You can go back over to the piggie boards and chant sec!sec!sec!

[Iam4OUru]

The location excuse is lame. There's no secret about where the national title games are held. We've won the 2000 title against a Florida school at the Orange Bowl.

No excuses. Just win when you get there. Excuses about location are lame. We've signed on to the BCS, so we understand fully where the games will be held.

OK, just make a note that when OU beats an SEC team in N'Awlins...it's not merely a "neutral site". Boise vs UGA in Atlanta was a joke! SEC loves them some "neutral" sites.

[Widescreen]

The location excuse is lame. There's no secret about where the national title games are held. We've won the 2000 title against a Florida school at the Orange Bowl.

No excuses. Just win when you get there. Excuses about location are lame. We've signed on to the BCS, so we understand fully where the games will be held.
It's not an excuse to say that it's a lot easier to win at home than on the road. The MNC game against LSU was a virtual home game for them. Doesn't mean we can't win those (as you pointed out from 2000) but it is more difficult.

[SoonerAtKU]

Producing five national champions in a row tends to do that for a conference. It's no prophecy when it happens every year.

Florida may or may not have deserved it their first year. LSU had 2 losses and got in on the strength of the polls that we are referencing here as potentially being biased, and last year's Auburn team had the best player money could buy. Hell, even Alabama might have to forfeit theirs one day if the Trent Richardson thing comes to a head.

Let's just be a little careful and look at context when we refer to this amazing run the SEC has had.

[Iam4OUru]

Florida may or may not have deserved it their first year. LSU had 2 losses and got in on the strength of the polls that we are referencing here as potentially being biased, and last year's Auburn team had the best player money could buy. Hell, even Alabama might have to forfeit theirs one day if the Trent Richardson thing comes to a head.

Let's just be a little careful and look at context when we refer to this amazing run the SEC has had.

Big difference playing FSU in Mami and playing LSU in the Super Dome. It's really uncanny how they seem to have their best teams when the national title is in NO....although '07 was a fluke and a joke.

[IronHorseSooner]

That's what they are trying to make become a self fulling prophecy so that everything certain Sports Reporters and Fans will be happy that all their dreams will come true but when Oklahoma comes to Town....nobody takes the week off and calls off practice because they believe any of it. Even Mack did a walk through with his players at the Cotton Bowl this weekend and he's never ever done that before. Even he was looking for any edge he could find to deal with our up-tempo offensive juggernaut.

ST, agreed again! The SEC argument is a self-licking ice cream cone. If you say they are the strongest, then they are. I give them the 5 BCS NCs; however, I have two counterpoints. First, if you dissect those wins, only the FLA v. tOSU game was out of reach. In each of those, there was either a key injury (i.e. Colt's or Demarco's) or play (Cobb's hand on the ground play v. Oregon) that gave the SEC rep an advantage. Second, each season is different and must be taken on its own merits. This year the Big XII is the highest ranked conference in the non-con and in the computers, because the three non-con losses were to teams with a combined two losses. Furthermore, in two of those losses (A&M v. Arky and Mizzou v. ASU) the Big XII team had a chance to win the game late. I believe that both of these points seem to be lost by most in the "fog of war. "