TCU invited into the Big 12? Rumor Alert

[stoops the eternal pimp]

http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/32536916




TCU has been invited to join the Big 12 Conference and is expected to accept the offer for the 2012-13 school year, college football industry sources told CBSSports.com.

TCU was scheduled to join the Big East on July 1, 2012, but instead will join the Big 12. By leaving the Big East before it officially became a member, the Horned Frogs will have to pay a $5 million exit fee but is not bound by the Big East’s 27 month requirement for notification.

The addition of TCU replaces Texas A&M, which is headed to the SEC. If Missouri remains in the league, sources said the Big 12 is expected to remain at 10 schools.

If Missouri leaves for the SEC, the Big 12 likely would add three more schools to get to 12. The leading candidates would be Louisville, BYU, West Virginia and Cincinnati.

The loss of TCU is another blow to the Big East. The league also lost Pittsburgh and Syracuse to the ACC, but Commissioner John Marinatto has said previously the Big East would make Pitt and Syracuse stay the 27 months until 2014.


The Big 12 is still waiting to get a commitment from Missouri.
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[rekamrettuB]

If Missouri leaves for the SEC, the Big 12 likely would add three more schools to get to 12. The leading candidates would be Louisville, BYU, West Virginia and Cincinnati.

So we are good with 10 as long as one of them is Mizzu but no Mizzu and we want 12? If Mizzu leaves, why would TCU want to join? I guess it's still better than the new diluted Big East.

[OULenexaman]

so TCU ponies up 5 mil to bail having never played a game in the Big East....riiiiiight.

[thecynic]

I still can't believe we're here holding down the fort trying to piece together schools for this watered down conference. it just sux.

[budbarrybob]

ooooh, another blog stating something.

The Big 12-2-1-1? is beginning to shape up like an unpolished turd.

[EatLeadCommie]

TCU really shouldn't have to pay anything to get out of their Big East obligation. What they agreed to join doesn't appear to exist anymore.

[NormanPride]

**** this ****ty conference.

[delhalew]

Missouri will be going nowhere. I'll gloat later. If they want to keep their place at the table, they need to sit down and shut up.

[S.PadreIsl.Sooner]

ooooh, another blog stating something.

The Big 12-2-1-1? is beginning to shape up like an unpolished turd.

Soon to be the 12-1-1+1

[rekamrettuB]

Soon to be the 12-1-1+1

Nope. It's the Big XII - 2 - 1 - 4 + 4 - 1 (maybe) + 1.

[delhalew]

Soon to be the 12-1-1+1


Nope. It's the Big XII - 2 - 1 - 4 + 4 - 1 (maybe) + 1.

False. Internet rumors don't count until the ink is dry, and we see a new schedule.

XII-ii-i+i(maybe)

[soonerboy_odanorth]

Multiple sources now picking it up, including a couple that say the Big East has indeed been notified.

[Wishboned]

Nope. It's the Big XII - 2 - 1 - 4 + 4 - 1 (maybe) + 1.


We're about to become the Big Algebra.

[NormanPride]

They will sink back to being terrible soon enough.

[Peach Fuzz]

****. just. got. real.ly. lame.

[swardboy]

They will sink back to being terrible soon enough.

Don't you think this would enhance their recruiting? I mean I'm no big fan of this move, but I think it would be good for TCU.

[Bruiser53]

BBJ just reported there will be a TCU presser at 11 30. Sounds like it's happening.

What gets me is that we heard the Big 12 was only interested in "expanding outside the footprint" and yet the first invite is TCU?? I predict TCU will be on par with Baylor in the early 2000s within 3 years of playing a BCS schedule and will be back to averaging 15K a game.

[delhalew]

Don't you think this would enhance their recruiting? I mean I'm no big fan of this move, but I think it would be good for TCU.
Marginally.

[delhalew]

If they are the only Tejas school to be added, I can tolerate it.

[Wishboned]

They have been invited

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7066994/report-big-12-agrees-invite-tcu-horned-frogs

[NormanPride]

Don't you think this would enhance their recruiting? I mean I'm no big fan of this move, but I think it would be good for TCU.

Who are they taking recruits from? Everyone that they would be recruiting against to get better guys is already in the Big 12 or another major conference. Them being there might change some minds, but only on marginal recruits.

The big impact will be that they play tons better teams week in and week out. Look at Miami after the switch to the ACC. Not as easy, even though the ACC isn't a great conference.

[Phil]

I, for one, welcome our new amphibian underlings. I believe we're already scheduled to open 2012 at Amon Carter. Joe's gonna have to get busy scaring up another nonconference game.

[badger]

Every one needs a rival. Looks like Baylor's got one now :)

Link (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/article.aspx?subjectid=231&articleid=20111006_231_0_TheBig837091)

Welcome, TCU. Nothing like getting another Dallas area game every other year :)

[GDC]

I also want UTEP, New Mexico and New Mexico State. And Iowa and Arkansas.

[soonerboomer93]

Reports out of Alabama is that key schools (including 'Bama) are blocking Mizzou and they do not have enough support to join the SEC.

[SoonerMom2]

TCU should have been in the conference originally instead of Baylor but the Baptists had them outnumbered in the legislature.

[sooner_born_1960]

Maybe OU could take Mizzou's place?

[badger]

Aggie fans: TCU replacing us? HA! They're so worthless.
Sound mind: Are you saying that the team you beat in 1939 for your only football national title is worthless? Does that make your 1939 title worthless, too?
Aggie fans: :rcmad:

[Frozen Sooner]

Reports out of Alabama is that key schools (including 'Bama) are blocking Mizzou and they do not have enough support to join the SEC.

SRS? Link me up. I haven't heard anything here, but I've also been focused on some other stuff.

[Dio]

TCU won the Rose Bowl last year- what has A&M won lately?

[Tear Down This Wall]

They will sink back to being terrible soon enough.

They already are - Baylor and SMU have already beaten them this year.

Well, looks like DeLoss Dodds is putting the Southwest Conference back together. Whatever brings the season ticket package prices down, I guess.

So far, Nebraska, Colorado, and Texas A&M gone. TCU added. Awful. May as well have added North Texas, closer geographically and also add absolutely nothing to the conference television set-wise.

What a bust this thing is turning out to be.

[SoonerMom2]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/tcu-horned-frogs/20111006-big-12-conference-votes-in-favor-of-inviting-tcu-to-join-league.ece Big East wants $5M for them to leave before the first game.

TCU is expanding their stadium to 50,000 seats and frankly they should have been the ones invited originally. Since we are losing a TX school, don't see a problem with TCU and welcome them to the Big 12. UT was the one blocking them originally as they have had trouble with them over the years. We play them every year in baseball. It is a very easy trip for all of us who want to go to an away game.

[BigTip]

We're about to become the Big Algebra.

made me laugh out loud.

[sluggo sooner]

Like Baylor, another "home-away-from-home" game for us!

[BigTip]

This quick move has a lot to do with Missouri I think. "Look Mizzou, The Big 12 is viable. Schools want to join it. So shut up and stay."

[Tear Down This Wall]

Newsflash - TCU still doesn't sell out the smaller version of their stadium. This is Baylor II.

[Landthief 1972]

Like Baylor, another "home-away-from-home" game for us!

Let's not forget, TCU is one of only 2 teams to beat Stoops in Norman. The other team had a complete lunatic coaching the team.

[BASSooner]

Ugh great. All of my TCU friends are giggling like sorority girls who bought purses for 90% off. This is embarrasing.

Ironic that the SEC is trying to get a 3rd member BCS qualifier and we just get an itty bitty school who could fit 40,000 in a stadium.

[PrideMom]

TCU = Texas A&M other than A&M has a bigger stadium, the competition is about the same......I can't stand A&M's band...I suggest when they are at Norman this year everyone just go the restroom and consessions.....that's what I did two years ago...

[sooneredaco]

[QUOTE]We're about to become the Big Algebra.[QUOTE]

Best realignment post yet!

[Tear Down This Wall]

Ugh great. All of my TCU friends are giggling like sorority girls who bought purses for 90% off. This is embarrasing.

Ironic that the SEC is trying to get a 3rd member BCS qualifier and we just get an itty bitty school who could fit 40,000 in a stadium.

The SEC isn't run by DeLoss Dodds, so their agenda is different than the Big 12's.

[badger]

SRS? Link me up. I haven't heard anything here, but I've also been focused on some other stuff.

Here ya go. (http://www.mrsec.com/2011/10/report-missouri-doesnt-have-enough-sec-votes-yet/)

In a nutshell, someone REALLY screwed Mizzou by saying that they preferred the Big Ten but that SEC was their last resort and only option now. If the SEC is a perfect culture fit for Texas A&M, imagine Aggies being told they are a second option or a last resort... oh wait, that's why they're leaving UT :rcmad:

So, of course the SEC is uberly Aggie-like offended at being told they were a second option and not a first option, so I think there is some offended people down south. In addition, I think there was also some talk about how they wanted another east school to match the fact that they got a west school... or they want a better school (read: better at football) than Mizzou for the SEC.

I've already lurked over at Texags and apparently there's some grumbling that Mizzou fans don't want to be associated with the negative stereotypes of the south, like the Confederate Flag waving ... but that's getting kind of political and I know you don't want this to go there :)

I think the really, really damaging thing was coming out and saying that Mizzou wanted the Big Ten all along but lost out to Nebrasky. Whoops. Boone Pickens should learn something from this: Opening your mouth hurts your beloved school, so STFU!

[mOUse]

Long Live the BIG 8!

[ddub0224]

TCU = Texas A&M other than A&M has a bigger stadium, the competition is about the same......I can't stand A&M's band...I suggest when they are at Norman this year everyone just go the restroom and consessions.....that's what I did two years ago...

Plus TCU actually has female cheerleaders

[Soonerntxs]

There goes the neighborhood, corn shuckers have moved on and want to harvest wheat, the buffalo have resorted to inbreeding to boost the herd, twelve men quit and move south and now there is talk of inviting a polygamist, a miniture pony, and a horny toad to the table?

Somebody please tell me this is not so!

[SoonerMom2]

TCU = Texas A&M other than A&M has a bigger stadium, the competition is about the same......I can't stand A&M's band...I suggest when they are at Norman this year everyone just go the restroom and consessions.....that's what I did two years ago...

You mean the A&M band where they choose marching first and if you are good don't care if you can really play an instrument? In any given year only about 1/2 to 2/3 of the band plays and why they don't sound so loud for being so large not to mention they have been doing the same routine for years.

[sluggo sooner]

Let's not forget, TCU is one of only 2 teams to beat Stoops in Norman. The other team had a complete lunatic coaching the team.
That is a loss I will never forget. Nonetheless, OU @ TCU is a game that there will be plenty of relatively cheap tickets for - just like Baylor.

[ashley]

We get to go to Ft. Worth every other year. Good deal for us all the way around.

[dennis580]

I just want the Big 12 to get to 12 teams. I don't care who they are. We cann't be the only major conference without a conference championship.

As for the Missouri situation. I have heard that they are just short of 9 votes needed to get in the SEC which means they have 8 votes, and it has to do with what teams will be in the West/East divisions, and wanting a team from the East. I think most likely the SEC will get one of those teams to flip, and vote for Missouri.

[Seamus]

I suggest when they are at Norman this year everyone just go the restroom and consessions.....that's what I did two years ago...

So that's what that was -- I just thought their brass section was a little flat ... :rapture:

[King Barry's Back]

BBJ just reported there will be a TCU presser at 11 30. Sounds like it's happening.

What gets me is that we heard the Big 12 was only interested in "expanding outside the footprint" and yet the first invite is TCU?? I predict TCU will be on par with Baylor in the early 2000s within 3 years of playing a BCS schedule and will be back to averaging 15K a game.

If they got UT, Tech, OU and OSU coming in every other year, they'll average better than 15k. Those teams will turn out 15k of their own fans, plus whatever the home team draws.

[Oldnslo]

I wish I were happier about all this.

But, I'm not.

Yes, we get another trip to Dallas. But this one isn't nearly as big a deal as the other one.

And TCU isn't going to be a BCS-buster caliber team anymore, not playing a full season against (XII) teams.

Maybe I'll get happier later. Doubt it, but I'll keep an open mind.

[LASooner]

The Big 12 has decided to change their name to the "Square Root of Suck" Conference.

[SoonerMom2]

Tell Wisconsin that TCU was a cream puff last year in the Rose Bowl! :)

What makes some of you think that TCU is automatically going to fight Baylor for the bottom?

Stadium size:

Baylor: 46,000
ISU: 55,000
KS: 50,000
KSU: 51,000
MO: 71,000
OU: 82,000
OSU: 60,000
TX: 100,000
A&M: 82,000
TT: 60,000

TCU: 55,000

[Sooner5030]

TCU was the second easiest (BYU is indy) to add as they are changing in 2012 so they have a lower exit fee and no time requirements. Also, this adds pressure to other BE schools to bolt.....which may lead to dissolving the BE and no one has to pay exit fees or wait 3 years. This could end up being a + for the ACC & SEC. It also makes the SEC more likely to invite WVU as they wont have to wait 3 years.

hope BYU is next, mizzou makes a decision so we can look at how to get to 12.

PAC will be the biggest loser out of this if superconferences happen and the B12 survives.

[humblesooner]

I could see TCU taking a key conference home game each year (OU, TX, OSU, MU) and moving it from FW to Jerry World.

[prrriiide]

so TCU ponies up 5 mil to bail having never played a game in the Big East....riiiiiight.

If you look at the disparity between the Big Least TV money and the Big XII's, $5 mil is walkin' around money.

[MichiganSooner]

Will we still be in the South?

[SicEmBaylor]

TCU should have been in the conference originally instead of Baylor but the Baptists had them outnumbered in the legislature.
Why should they have been invited over Baylor? Our football program was better, our overall athletic program was far far better, and we have a larger footprint.

Exactly what did TCU have going for it over Baylor at the time of the Big XII being formed? Seriously. The only valid argument for adding them over us is with 20/20 hindsight.

[soonerboomer93]

SRS? Link me up. I haven't heard anything here, but I've also been focused on some other stuff.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/majority_of_sec_presidents_fav.html

'Bama worried about the alignment apparently and the loss of some rivalries who would now be in different divisions.

[SicEmBaylor]

Tell Wisconsin that TCU was a cream puff last year in the Rose Bowl! :)

What makes some of you think that TCU is automatically going to fight Baylor for the bottom?

Stadium size:

Baylor: 46,000
ISU: 55,000
KS: 50,000
KSU: 51,000
MO: 71,000
OU: 82,000
OSU: 60,000
TX: 100,000
A&M: 82,000
TT: 60,000

TCU: 55,000

Floyd Casey can seat 55k. It seats 50 with the endzone tarp.

[badger]

Those are likely official capacities. OU regularly has attendance of more than 82k.

And then, on the opposite side of the spectrum, OSU will never get 60k in its current setup. :stunned:

[Sooner5030]

also adding TCU to replace TAMU helps with the FOX tier 2 deal. ESPN has it's own deal with BYU so we may have separate TV deals for tier 2. Original 10 with FOX, BYU home games with ESPN. Tier one would still be ABC.

[OULenexaman]

If you look at the disparity between the Big Least TV money and the Big XII's, $5 mil is walkin' around money. This is not a complete done deal yet......trustees still have to vote on it tomorrow and I can see the whole 5mil to walk looms larger than one may think....

[badger]

Also, just mentioned this on the main reallignment thread, but Bevo TV won't be broadcasting high school highlights anymore, as per a Big 12 (Texas included) agreement today.

Link (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/article.aspx?subjectid=227&articleid=20111006_227_0_AUSTIN392256)

Perhaps this will reign in Mizzou. That would make 10. Then, we can look far east and far west for the other two (BYU and WVU) and have some balance. I'd totally be willing to put up with that for six more years.

[sooneron]

Would you rather have Cincy or WV?

Me? I think I'd rather have cincy- easier to get to the game, better football area recruiting-wise. Decent basketball, although, WV can say the same.

[delhalew]

Would you rather have Cincy or WV?

Me? I think I'd rather have cincy- easier to get to the game, better football area recruiting-wise. Decent basketball, although, WV can say the same.

Cincy would be better for recruiting I'd wager.

[AlboSooner]

TCU is a team you pay to come play at your place, not a team you invite build a conference.

[SoonerofAlabama]

espn reporting they are coming already, not just invited.

[Tear Down This Wall]

What a nightmare...discussions about who has the smaller, crappier stadium: Baylor or TCU? Who cares, both stadiums suck.

DeLoss Dodds has got to be laughing his *** off at us right now. Hard to believe this is really happening.

[SicEmBaylor]

What a nightmare...discussions about who has the smaller, crappier stadium: Baylor or TCU? Who cares, both stadiums suck.

DeLoss Dodds has got to be laughing his *** off at us right now. Hard to believe this is really happening.

You do more pissing and crying on the football board than anyone else here. Please, for God's sake, someone call you a WAAAAAAAAmbulance before it's too late. Your consternation levels are off the chart.

[sooneredaco]

You do more pissing and crying on the football board than anyone else here. Please, for God's sake, someone call you a WAAAAAAAAmbulance before it's too late. Your consternation levels are off the chart.

^^^
This one thousand times!
This guy got super pissy with me one time simply because I stated that he and the rest of us just need to get over it. We're in the Big 12 until further notice and none of us can do a single thing to change that, like it or not. So I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who feels that the boohooing is getting old

[8timechamps]

A. Are people really surprised at this? We all saw this coming.
B. Are people really upset that we replaced A&M with TCU? Look at the BCS era, and tell me who's better...
C. There's going to be a lot of crap happening in the next few months...this isn't even the off-season, and it's this crazy.

I, for one, like the addition. TCU was is not a bad pick-up, given the availability of potential targets.

[SoonerMom2]

SicEm: Those figures are official capacity not how much they really hold. We are always up to over 84-85,000. Took it off the website for stadiums for all conferences.

[EatLeadCommie]

Would you rather have Cincy or WV?

Me? I think I'd rather have cincy- easier to get to the game, better football area recruiting-wise. Decent basketball, although, WV can say the same.
I want nothing to do with WVU. Their fans are on par with LSU. I really don't want Cinci either, however.

[Boomer.....]

Taken from a Baylor message board. :D


I could write an essay on the upgrades from A&M to TCU, or I could just do this:
We went from this:
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7316/aggy.jpg
To this:
http://www.uncoached.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/tcu_cheerleaders_13.jpg
And this:
http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/12/aggieyell.jpg
To this!
http://www.athlonsports.com/sites/default/files/slideshow-images/Hottest_TCU_girls_8.jpg?1302893453
I for one welcome our new Fort Worth overlords!

[8timechamps]

Taken from a Baylor message board. :D

The girl in the top photo (at the top, holding her hands up) looks like she got punched in the pie-hole!

[delhalew]

I'm way past sick of the crybaby bull****. Can we just let this play out, and stop the gnashing of teeth.

Guess what Wall, you've repeated the same diatribe a hundred times. We all know were you stand. Now it's just pathetic.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Sorry, guys, but there are still plenty of us who see this for what is it - garbage. It doesn't expand any "footprint." It doesn't add any television market. It's a recruiting area we already own. And, for all of the false talk about academic reputation, it doesn't build on that aspect either.

It's simply DeLoss Dodds saving his conference and influence. Baylor and TCU are, of course, going to be happy with the situation because they have nothing to offer anyone. They will march along with Dodds as well because they can't make money any other way. TCU caught lightning in a bottle, and they are taking advantage of it while they can.

We have the brand and ability to do better, but we're not. We are settling for less. That may not be disappointing to some of you, but it is to me and others. We've wasted an opportunity.

[badger]

Taken from a Baylor message board. :D

Your yell leader pic is outdated. Here is the current crop:

http://thepicayunetv.com/images/stories/demo/aggie-yell-leaders.jpg

My husband is soooo much hotter than any of these guys. Could probably kick all of their arses too if he wasn't so nice :)

[soonercoop1]

If this is true Boren needs to be gone....this is the definition of incompetence...more teams from Texass is what we need...:mad:

[Landthief 1972]

Sorry, guys, but there are still plenty of us who see this for what is it - garbage. It doesn't expand any "footprint." It doesn't add any television market. It's a recruiting area we already own. And, for all of the false talk about academic reputation, it doesn't build on that aspect either.

It's simply DeLoss Dodds saving his conference and influence. Baylor and TCU are, of course, going to be happy with the situation because they have nothing to offer anyone. They will march along with Dodds as well because they can't make money any other way. TCU caught lightning in a bottle, and they are taking advantage of it while they can.

We have the brand and ability to do better, but we're not. We are settling for less. That may not be disappointing to some of you, but it is to me and others. We've wasted an opportunity.

Yes, and you've mentioned it, ad nauseum, for the past 4 hours...and probably 10 times in this thread alone. We get it. You're unhappy. Put away the thesaurus, you've exhausted the number of ways you can tell us how bad of a move this is for OU.

[badger]

Put away the thesaurus

I dunno... has every synonym for bad been used yet?

This move by the Big 12 is... atrocious, abominable, awful, dreadful, painful, terrible, unspeakable, corked, corky, deplorable, distressing, lamentable, pitiful, sad, sorry, fearful, frightful, hard, tough, hopeless, horrid, icky, crappy, lousy, rotten, sh!tty, stinking, stinky,ill, incompetent, unskilled, mediocre, naughty, negative, poor, pretty, rubber, no-good, severe, swingeing, uncool, unfavorable, unfavourable, unsuitable!

Turn those synonums into antonyms!!!! :D

The Big 12 is now... acceptable, ace*, admirable, agreeable, bad, boss*, bully, capital, choice, commendable, congenial, crack*, deluxe, excellent, exceptional, favorable, first-class, first-rate, gnarly, gratifying, great, honorable, marvelous, neat*, nice, pleasing, positive, precious, prime, rad, recherché, reputable, satisfactory, satisfying, select, shipshape, sound, spanking, splendid, sterling, stupendous, super, super-eminent, super-excellent, superb, superior, tip-top, up to snuff, valuable, welcome, wonderful, worthy!

;)

[BoulderSooner79]

You forgot the word Ikard used - janky.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Yes, and you've mentioned it, ad nauseum, for the past 4 hours...and probably 10 times in this thread alone. We get it. You're unhappy. Put away the thesaurus, you've exhausted the number of ways you can tell us how bad of a move this is for OU.

He's been telling us ad nauseum for the past 4 months!

Maybe TDTW can become a piggy fan so he can change SEC!SEC!SEC! til his voice gives out.

[soonerboomer93]

Still a ****ty move. They are the best available team in the region though.

[cleller]

This is the point when I fall back on the "smart guy" rule. Boren is a smart guy, so if he is supportive of it, so am I. Like others have said, TCU is a good program, good coach, good school, etc.

[BajaOklahoma]

I don't like it all for all of the reasons given above.
But I do trust Boren.

[SicEmBaylor]

The move has its pluses and minuses. I've never been a fan of the idea of having TCU around, but at least we'll have one of our longest (if not the longest) rivalries renewed. The record is currently 50-50-5 so that should make for some pretty good games from here on out.

I'd rather have had BYU, but we may just end up with them anyway.

[sooner KB]

I agree with the others, Tear Down This Wall. You can be disgruntled with something, but it's just annoying to the extreme with how you do it. Just make one post maturely stating what you think. All you do is whinny, extremely repetitive b*tching.

[RedRum]

You people are stupid. TCU is an equal or better pick than A&M. they won the Rose bowl last year. A&M averages two games over .500. We get another good Texas team and we have our pick of two (or three) more school which will expand our footprint. Mizzou won't leave because no one wants their crappy mediocre program. They will come crawling back like they did last year when the Big 10 kicked them to the curb. BYU and WestVirginia would be my votes. We may not be the best league in the US, but at least we would respectable again.

[lexred]

Here ya go. (http://www.mrsec.com/2011/10/report-missouri-doesnt-have-enough-sec-votes-yet/)

In a nutshell, someone REALLY screwed Mizzou by saying that they preferred the Big Ten but that SEC was their last resort and only option now. If the SEC is a perfect culture fit for Texas A&M, imagine Aggies being told they are a second option or a last resort... oh wait, that's why they're leaving UT :rcmad:

So, of course the SEC is uberly Aggie-like offended at being told they were a second option and not a first option, so I think there is some offended people down south. In addition, I think there was also some talk about how they wanted another east school to match the fact that they got a west school... or they want a better school (read: better at football) than Mizzou for the SEC.

I've already lurked over at Texags and apparently there's some grumbling that Mizzou fans don't want to be associated with the negative stereotypes of the south, like the Confederate Flag waving ... but that's getting kind of political and I know you don't want this to go there :)

I think the really, really damaging thing was coming out and saying that Mizzou wanted the Big Ten all along but lost out to Nebrasky. Whoops. Boone Pickens should learn something from this: Opening your mouth hurts your beloved school, so STFU!

Us old timers remember when the Mizzou Cheerleaders waved Rebel flags and their band played Dixie ( back in the early/mid 1960s). Missouri tried to secceed but was occupied by the Yankees. Southern part of the state is very Southern, but gets quashed by KC and St. Louis. Just saying that Mizzou has a checkered past also. I think they are delusional and would bring nothing to the SEC.

[sooner KB]

For those asking about their stadium, it's undergoing some major renovations. Photos:

http://frogfanreport.com/football/east-side-of-amon-g-carter-stadium-to-be-renovated/

Looks nice to me. No comparison to Baylor.

Being demolished:

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/host.madison.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/2/81/e27/281e27ba-0177-11e0-9237-001cc4c002e0-revisions/4cfd470b9168b.image.jpg

[stoops the eternal pimp]

You people are stupid. TCU is an equal or pick than A&M. they won the Rose bowl last year. A&M averages two games over .500. We get another good Texas team and we have our pick of two (or three) more school which will expand our footprint. Mizzou won't leave because no one wants their crappy mediocre program. They will come crawling back like they did last year when the Big 10 kicked them to the curb. BYU and WestVirginia would be my votes. We may not be the best league in the US, but at least we would respectable again.

Who is stupid?

[SicEmBaylor]

For those asking about their stadium, it's undergoing some major renovations. Photos:

http://frogfanreport.com/football/east-side-of-amon-g-carter-stadium-to-be-renovated/

Looks nice to me. No comparison to Baylor.

Being demolished:

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We're going to get a new stadium and sooner rather than later. The plans are being discussed as we speak.

[Boomer.....]

Who is stupid?

You!

[soonerboomer93]

And those plans to can move forward now that the league appears to maybe be stable.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

You!

I just wanted to clarify

[RedRum]

Who is stupid? people who think adding TCU is a bad move.

[soonerboomer93]

People who don't expect better then tcu from conference expansion

Hint: replacing 3 teams top 25 all times in wins with tcu isn't an equal trade (unless you're a tcu fan)

[FtWorthSooner]

Needless to say, I'm pretty happy with the addition. Two DFW games every-other year instead of just one is good with me. And, more OU fans need to discover the greatness of Joe T Garcia's restaurant. TCU's new stadium renovation may not make it huge, but it's going to be nice. And, while their fan base isn't that of A&M's, it's a lot different than what you might remember. Just look at all the fans they had at the Rose Bowl.

[8timechamps]

So, if TCU accepts, and they become a Big XII team starting next year (and really, why would they go to the Big East for a year?), does the scheduled game at TCU next year remain the season opener? That would be kinda crazy to open the season with a conference game.

[spanielboy]

The Chaingang Conference will continue to move forward and in a few years you all will forget about Huskers, Buffs, and Aggies.

I will say I am surprised that Texas pushed for TCU to be the replacement for A&M, and that is in the sense that TCU has not really changed any of its infrastructure since the SWC disbanded --- Texas and Texas A&M had felt those SWC were not pulling their weight where it came to making money. TCU does not bring any new market to the Big12, and what they do bring plays second fiddle to the various professional sports in the Metroplex. TCU's stadium is smaller than Baylor's. TCU has done a great job of working up the ladder to be a successful team, but will they have the stamina to displace Oklahoma and Texas yearly, or even the next rung occupied by OSU and Texas Tech?

TCU looks like a good candidate at this time, but they could be a 7 or 8 win team year-in, year-out.

Every program in the Bevo 10 Conference is gaining something. Texas and Oklahoma get to make lots of money with a 10-team conference to help propel them to a MNC game more times than naught. OSU and Tech get more money than they used to - even with a loss or two each year would make them seem successful in the various poll rankings. The rest get to sit at the adult table while getting more money than they used to.

It sounds like a Faustian deal for all in the Chaingang Conference.

[AlboSooner]

TCU is just terrible. No more words to say. Some of us are such OU apologists, that will accept anything. For example, a month ago Al Eschback did not like the TCU's of the world, while today he was trying (really hard) to spin this as a positive move.

I liked it better when JC was in charge of this conference stuff, and I don't like it than Boren has taken it upon himself to steer this thing. Boren, please let JC handle.

[spanielboy]

So, if TCU accepts, and they become a Big XII team starting next year (and really, why would they go to the Big East for a year?), does the scheduled game at TCU next year remain the season opener? That would be kinda crazy to open the season with a conference game.

According to various media outlets in DFW, the Frogs will use what was A&M's schedule for the Chaingang Conference. That is being reported by Dallas Morning News and WFAA in Dallas.

[SoonerofAlabama]

So, TCU decides tomorrow?

[8timechamps]

According to various media outlets in DFW, the Frogs will use what was A&M's schedule for the Chaingang Conference. That is being reported by Dallas Morning News and WFAA in Dallas.

Interesting, so we would have to find an opponent to open the season next year.

[8timechamps]

So, TCU decides tomorrow?

I don't think it's been reported when they will decide, but my guess is soon. For TCU, I can't see why they wouldn't accept, unless the Big East really wanted to make them pay...in which case, I don't think the Big East would have much of a leg to stand on (seeing how the Big East that TCU agreed to join is NOT the same as the current Big East).

[spanielboy]

Here is the link to TCU's scheduling -- http://www.wfaa.com/home/TCU-to-Inherit-Texas-AMs-2011-Conference-Schedule-131296114.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

As for when TCU will accept the Big12 invite, here is a Twitter response (Ft Worth Star-Telegram retweeted this tweet) -- http://twitter.com/#!/FollowtheFrogs/status/122057090469593088

[soonerboomer93]

By Monday they decide. Reality is OU gains nothing from the addition of tcu, it opens no new recruiting areas, it only ensures we're at the 10 teams required for the tv contracts.

Either the big 12ish should absorb the big east or We (OU) should just say **** the pokes and go sec, **** this stupid ****.

[King Barry's Back]

Perhaps this will reign in Mizzou. That would make 10. Then, we can look far east and far west for the other two (BYU and WVU) and have some balance. I'd totally be willing to put up with that for six more years.

YES. I've thought for some time that our best possible scenario would be TCU, a respectable football program that helps shore up the TX market; BYU, which is a big-time school (fan-wise) that would deliver the SLC market; and WVU - a traditional near-power with a dedicated following that gives us only one real out-of-area opponent AND an East Coast presence. South Florida is my second choice to WVU, due to a Florida presence - but let's face if, SF is a distant fourth in the FL market so I don't know how much they really would bring.

Cincy, Memphis, Houston, TULANE, etc would probably cost us more in terms of TV-money sharing than we ever would gain from them. Unless it's just a numbers game.

[SoonerMom2]

I was reading the article on the invite at the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and here was the #1 comment -- they are going to fit in just fine in the Big 12:

In all the excitement, I almost misplaced one of my core values: Tuck Fexas!

Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/10/06/3424592/big-12-invites-tcu-to-join-league.html#ixzz1a3plfEEN

[King Barry's Back]

Would you rather have Cincy or WV?

Me? I think I'd rather have cincy- easier to get to the game, better football area recruiting-wise. Decent basketball, although, WV can say the same.

I prefer WVU because it is the flag-ship school in their state, and a real football school. (Granted, it is the flag-ship school of a small state, but so are we.)

Cincy is a commuter school and definite back-bencher in their own market. Not that that should rule them out entirely, but it puts WVU in front of them, imho.

[spanielboy]

Just wondering why do Sooner fans rate West Virginia and Cincy higher than Louisville? Football with Lousiville may be between those two other programs, but they do better in other sports.

[kevpks]

Interesting, so we would have to find an opponent to open the season next year.

I hope we find someone halfway decent to play and don't have to call on Chattanooga or some such school.

[8timechamps]

I think USF gets overlooked.

It would be a great addition to pick up a good team in Florida.

My theory is that since the NCAA adopted D1 scholarship limits, it's made schools like TCU, USF, Boise State, etc. much more competitive. USF is a lot like TCU in that they both are considered small schools in big time football states, and can attract in-state talent that are high caliber athletes. The benefit of adding a Florida footprint in the conference would be great.

[kevpks]

Just wondering why do Sooner fans rate West Virginia and Cincy higher than Louisville? Football with Lousiville may be between those two other programs, but they do better in other sports.

West Virginia basketball has been really good of late but I agree that Lville is much better than Cincy in almost every respect. I'm just surprised how much Louisville football has bottomed out.

[King Barry's Back]

Ugh great. All of my TCU friends are giggling like sorority girls who bought purses for 90% off. This is embarrasing.

Ironic that the SEC is trying to get a 3rd member BCS qualifier and we just get an itty bitty school who could fit 40,000 in a stadium.

Dude, no conference can pull schools from richer, more stable conferences. Stability and money is why schools are in conferences to begin with.

In TCU, we just pulled in a member of a BCS auto-qualifier.

It's from the worst BCS auto-qualifier, but if you think the Big XII is going to steal from B1G, SEC, PAC or ND; you are just nuts.

With all of our soap opera going on right now, I don't think we'd have a shot at an ACC member-- even one that hates being in the ACC.

Be happy TCU is willing to come to help keep our TV deals together.

Let's hope that convinces Mizzou to say, and that we ride out the dangerous waters.

If we can get a good, committed membership, TX can play by the new rules, and our new ABC deal gets inked with some big dollars in a few years - we may be able to play with some bigger dogs.

But right now, no.

[King Barry's Back]

I just want the Big 12 to get to 12 teams. I don't care who they are. We cann't be the only major conference without a conference championship.

As for the Missouri situation. I have heard that they are just short of 9 votes needed to get in the SEC which means they have 8 votes, and it has to do with what teams will be in the West/East divisions, and wanting a team from the East. I think most likely the SEC will get one of those teams to flip, and vote for Missouri.

I am not so sure. Remember, college presidents and conference administrators will go out of their way to avoid embarrassing each other.

Saying "Missouri has a majority" is a good way to make Mizzou look good, but adding "Not the super majority needed" is really the point.

You also have to consider how much of all this is posturing for negotiations.

It was rumored 2-3 weeks ago that Mizzou had a standing invitation to the SEC if they chose to take it. If they had it then, they would still have it now.

Were they posturing then? Meaning they were bluffing like Boren. Are they posturing now? Meaning that they are taking up OU's bluff, with the intention to keep UT's feet to the fire?

I saw a report in the Austin-American Statesman that, according the rumor, Mizzou was pushing for the Big XII handcuff deal to 13 years, not six.

Which leads me to believe that they are looking to help keep pushing UT down.

So many facets, and it's impossible for us to know.

Very interesting to watch this all play out.

Wish it was happening in the off season though.

[8timechamps]

I am not so sure. Remember, college presidents and conference administrators will go out of their way to avoid embarrassing each other.

Saying "Missouri has a majority" is a good way to make Mizzou look good, but adding "Not the super majority needed" is really the point.

You also have to consider how much of all this is posturing for negotiations.

It was rumored 2-3 weeks ago that Mizzou had a standing invitation to the SEC if they chose to take it. If they had it then, they would still have it now.

Were they posturing then? Meaning they were bluffing like Boren. Are they posturing now? Meaning that they are taking up OU's bluff, with the intention to keep UT's feet to the fire?

I saw a report in the Austin-American Statesman that, according the rumor, Mizzou was pushing for the Big XII handcuff deal to 13 years, not six.

Which leads me to believe that they are looking to help keep pushing UT down.

So many facets, and it's impossible for us to know.

Very interesting to watch this all play out.

Wish it was happening in the off season though.

Great observations. Especially the point about Mizzou's standing invite from the SEC a few weeks ago. Where'd it go? Nowhere, because there wasn't one.

You said the one thing I've been repeating since this whole thing heated up (after the PAC deal went south)..."So many facets, and it's impossible for us to know".

We are all speculating, when in reality, none of us know. And I seriously doubt any of the decision makers are posting on fan message boards.

It will get more interesting...many more moves to be made.

[SicEmBaylor]

The only thing certain is that nothing is certain. Every single day brings a new development that few could see coming. This thing certainly hasn't played out like I thought it was going to when Aggie first let it leak that it was looking to defect. I've decided that I'm going to stop trying to guess what's going to happen next and just sit back and let the chips fall where they may.

[King Barry's Back]

So, TCU decides tomorrow?

No. It's already a done deal. An invitation would NEVER have been publicly offered unless the conference already knew that TCU would say yes.

And frankly, why would they possibly say no?

They would be choosing to enter a league that may be entering its last season, and have to play a conference schedule on the East Coast - rather than join a conference anchored by two powerhouse schools that offers neighborhood rivalries.

[King Barry's Back]

Just wondering why do Sooner fans rate West Virginia and Cincy higher than Louisville? Football with Lousiville may be between those two other programs, but they do better in other sports.

Other sports don't matter. Ask KU what their sterling basketball program has got them in the conference realignment drama.

And, we're a football school.

[King Barry's Back]

I'm just surprised how much Louisville football has bottomed out.

Have you ever been to a game there? Granted, the only time I've ever been to Louisville football was when we played there in 1999, but it's very small time.

Until the late 90s, they played at a minor league baseball stadium, worst venue I've ever seen for college football.

And don't forget, to them, Schnellenberger is a big hero.

[King Barry's Back]

And I seriously doubt any of the decision makers are posting on fan message boards.

I bet Boren's posting here right now. Maybe you are him? :tongue:

[Therealsouthsider]

"Newsflash - TCU still doesn't sell out the smaller version of their stadium. This is Baylor II."


...Neither did/does osu

[the-rover]

What happened to the thought of the B12 prez's not wanting another texas team added to the conference?

IMO, this move is pathetic. TCU is a pretender. The best part of their recent success is now playing on Sundays.

I hope Missouri gets the chance to leave.....maybe losing a 4th team will finally convince Boren it's time to drop osewe and GTFO.... but, I'm not sure he's as smart as most think he is.

[silverwheels]

I think the presidents wanted another Texas team to offset the loss of A&M and keep that game in the state for recruiting purposes.

And I'm not sure OU has anywhere to go right now unless we cut ties with OSU and Texas and go to the SEC (assuming they still want OU after Boren rebuffed them numerous times), which we're not going to do. Pac-12 presidents don't want to expand again unless they absolutely have to (meaning, if the SEC goes to 16, which they won't for a while, if ever), and the Big Ten isn't expanding again, either, unless Notre Dame asks for an invite, which they won't.

I hate seeing OU's conference become a laughingstock as much as anyone, but at this point, all I can do is just laugh and accept it.

[BASSooner]

What happened to the thought of the B12 prez's not wanting another texas team added to the conference?

IMO, this move is pathetic. TCU is a pretender. The best part of their recent success is now playing on Sundays.

I hope Missouri gets the chance to leave.....maybe losing a 4th team will finally convince Boren it's time to drop osewe and GTFO.... but, I'm not sure he's as smart as most think he is.

I wouldn't count on that. I think we're staying for the time being but once the dominos start to fall, we'll look around again. TCU is a GREAT short-term addition for us. They'll play us exactly how the aggies play us.

[sooner KB]

TCU is just terrible. No more words to say. Some of us are such OU apologists, that will accept anything. For example, a month ago Al Eschback did not like the TCU's of the world, while today he was trying (really hard) to spin this as a positive move.

I liked it better when JC was in charge of this conference stuff, and I don't like it than Boren has taken it upon himself to steer this thing. Boren, please let JC handle.

Because back then it wasn't positive. Having teams like TCU was a negative compared to the old Big 12. We are reacting to news like this under consideration of the current circumstances. If you are too dumb to realize this, you probably won't understand this post at all, but I'll try.

Ok, I'll try. Who would I want AlboSooner? I want LSU to join the conference!!!!!!

I want Arkansas to join!!!!

I also want Alabama to join up!

You've proven yourself to be one of the village idiots on this board AlboSooner (look back at the threads you've posted in. Most posters have ridiculed you and generally made fun of you). TCU is a solid football program, for what is realistic for the conference right now. They just won a Rose Bowl versus Wisconsin for crying out loud. They're better than A&M. Stop b*tching like the other whinny as*es in this thread.

None of us love TCU. But given the current circumstances, they will do just fine. It's a quick drive for fans. They have had a quality program for the past decade. And most of all, its the best we can do right now. If you want to blame Boren or Texas or whoever for the position we're in now, fine. But don't blame the rest of us for being moderately satisfied with a decent move considering the circumstance we find ourselves currently in.

They're better than Baylor, better than A&M, better than Tech right now (and about on par with Tech for the last decade), better than Kansas, better than KSU, better than ISU, about on par with Mizzou, better than Colorado, better than Nebraska for the past few years, OSU might be better now, but TCU has been better over the last decade, and hey, they even beat us at home a few years ago. So seriously, stop your whining.

[LASooner]

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It looks better already

[lexred]

Great observations. Especially the point about Mizzou's standing invite from the SEC a few weeks ago. Where'd it go? Nowhere, because there wasn't one.

You said the one thing I've been repeating since this whole thing heated up (after the PAC deal went south)..."So many facets, and it's impossible for us to know".

We are all speculating, when in reality, none of us know. And I seriously doubt any of the decision makers are posting on fan message boards.

It will get more interesting...many more moves to be made.

If I was the SEC I would try to "politely" tell Mizzou not no, but hell no! They bring nothing to the table in terms of athletics, especially football. They really want to go to the Big 10, but would "settle" for the SEC. That should be enough to PO most SEC schools.

[soonercoop1]

Looks like many of you are building the WAC with the teams you have chosen....they are all crap and in no way come close to the caliber of the programs we have lost....Texass is the only beneficiary of this move besides TCU....OU gains a weak unstable conference and a possibility of diminished recruiting in Texass because of it....total incompetence...

[soonerfromgeorgia]

I think they should add SMU, Houston, South Florida and then move OU and OSU to the north side of a 12 team league. You would then see the Sooners play Texas twice a year!

I know the teams suck, but beating Texas 2 times each year would be worth it.

[Tear Down This Wall]

"Newsflash - TCU still doesn't sell out the smaller version of their stadium. This is Baylor II."


...Neither did/does osu

I know. Hence the call to go the SEC and get away from Oklahoma State, Texas, TCU, and things Big 12 related. TCU and Oklahoma State are the same worthless tripe. We've got the ability to leave them both in the dust, but we don't.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Looks like many of you are building the WAC with the teams you have chosen....they are all crap and in no way come close to the caliber of the programs we have lost....Texass is the only beneficiary of this move besides TCU....OU gains a weak unstable conference and a possibility of diminished recruiting in Texass because of it....total incompetence...

Hurray...someone who understands what is happening. Although, I take issue with your statement, "total incompetence." I think what we've seen over the past month is total and complete incompetence.

[Tear Down This Wall]

What happened to the thought of the B12 prez's not wanting another texas team added to the conference?

IMO, this move is pathetic. TCU is a pretender. The best part of their recent success is now playing on Sundays.

I hope Missouri gets the chance to leave.....maybe losing a 4th team will finally convince Boren it's time to drop osewe and GTFO.... but, I'm not sure he's as smart as most think he is.

You are still of the mistaken mindset that anyone other than DeLoss Dodds has control of the process. The realignment committee is composed of the president of his alma mater, the president of his buddy T. Boone Pickens' alma mater, him, and Joe Castiglione.

What's embarrassing is that we'd sit on this committee and approve of the crap. But, that's the current leadership. A move to the SEC is a phone call away. We just won't make it and end this thing once and for all.

[soonerfromgeorgia]

The sad part is OU decision makers have shown through this process that they are scared of football life without Texas and Okla State, they need that safety blanket.

[badger]

If I was the SEC I would try to "politely" tell Mizzou not no, but hell no! They bring nothing to the table in terms of athletics, especially football. They really want to go to the Big 10, but would "settle" for the SEC. That should be enough to PO most SEC schools.

Let's turn that state into a big lake so us land locked states have an ocean of sorts :D

[OULenexaman]

A move to the SEC is a phone call away. We just won't make it and end this thing once and for all. That's all it would take. And it would be a move right out of the Corn playbook. SEC would drop Mizzery like a bad habit once and foreall and we leave everyone else in the dust still waiting to settle.

[Mississippi Sooner]

That's all it would take. And it would be a move right out of the Corn playbook. SEC would drop Mizzery like a bad habit once and foreall and we leave everyone else in the dust still waiting to settle.

That alone would have me laughing for days.