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MR2-Sooner86
8/17/2011, 04:04 PM
Crashing the Tea Party (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opinion/crashing-the-tea-party.html)


GIVEN how much sway the Tea Party has among Republicans in Congress and those seeking the Republican presidential nomination, one might think the Tea Party is redefining mainstream American politics.

But in fact the Tea Party is increasingly swimming against the tide of public opinion: among most Americans, even before the furor over the debt limit, its brand was becoming toxic. To embrace the Tea Party carries great political risk for Republicans, but perhaps not for the reason you might think.

Polls show that disapproval of the Tea Party is climbing. In April 2010, a New York Times/CBS News survey found that 18 percent of Americans had an unfavorable opinion of it, 21 percent had a favorable opinion and 46 percent had not heard enough. Now, 14 months later, Tea Party supporters have slipped to 20 percent, while their opponents have more than doubled, to 40 percent.

Of course, politicians of all stripes are not faring well among the public these days. But in data we have recently collected, the Tea Party ranks lower than any of the 23 other groups we asked about — lower than both Republicans and Democrats. It is even less popular than much maligned groups like “atheists” and “Muslims.” Interestingly, one group that approaches it in unpopularity is the Christian Right.

The strange thing is that over the last five years, Americans have moved in an economically conservative direction: they are more likely to favor smaller government, to oppose redistribution of income and to favor private charities over government to aid the poor. While none of these opinions are held by a majority of Americans, the trends would seem to favor the Tea Party. So why are its negatives so high? To find out, we need to examine what kinds of people actually support it.

Beginning in 2006 we interviewed a representative sample of 3,000 Americans as part of our continuing research into national political attitudes, and we returned to interview many of the same people again this summer. As a result, we can look at what people told us, long before there was a Tea Party, to predict who would become a Tea Party supporter five years later. We can also account for multiple influences simultaneously — isolating the impact of one factor while holding others constant.

Our analysis casts doubt on the Tea Party’s “origin story.” Early on, Tea Partiers were often described as nonpartisan political neophytes. Actually, the Tea Party’s supporters today were highly partisan Republicans long before the Tea Party was born, and were more likely than others to have contacted government officials. In fact, past Republican affiliation is the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support today.

What’s more, contrary to some accounts, the Tea Party is not a creature of the Great Recession. Many Americans have suffered in the last four years, but they are no more likely than anyone else to support the Tea Party. And while the public image of the Tea Party focuses on a desire to shrink government, concern over big government is hardly the only or even the most important predictor of Tea Party support among voters.

So what do Tea Partiers have in common? They are overwhelmingly white, but even compared to other white Republicans, they had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and they still do.

More important, they were disproportionately social conservatives in 2006 — opposing abortion, for example — and still are today. Next to being a Republican, the strongest predictor of being a Tea Party supporter today was a desire, back in 2006, to see religion play a prominent role in politics. And Tea Partiers continue to hold these views: they seek “deeply religious” elected officials, approve of religious leaders’ engaging in politics and want religion brought into political debates. The Tea Party’s generals may say their overriding concern is a smaller government, but not their rank and file, who are more concerned about putting God in government.

This inclination among the Tea Party faithful to mix religion and politics explains their support for Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota and Gov. Rick Perry of Texas. Their appeal to Tea Partiers lies less in what they say about the budget or taxes, and more in their overt use of religious language and imagery, including Mrs. Bachmann’s lengthy prayers at campaign stops and Mr. Perry’s prayer rally in Houston.

Yet it is precisely this infusion of religion into politics that most Americans increasingly oppose. While over the last five years Americans have become slightly more conservative economically, they have swung even further in opposition to mingling religion and politics. It thus makes sense that the Tea Party ranks alongside the Christian Right in unpopularity.

On everything but the size of government, Tea Party supporters are increasingly out of step with most Americans, even many Republicans. Indeed, at the opposite end of the ideological spectrum, today’s Tea Party parallels the anti-Vietnam War movement which rallied behind George S. McGovern in 1972. The McGovernite activists brought energy, but also stridency, to the Democratic Party — repelling moderate voters and damaging the Democratic brand for a generation. By embracing the Tea Party, Republicans risk repeating history.

The Tea Party is the Religious Right? I can mostly agree with that.

Other parts of the article I disagree with like the Tea Party being 100% Republican. While many of them are Republican, there was a Libertarian like Tea Party in the early stages that was against both parties but it was quickly overrun with the "Good Ole Boys" of the GOP.

SicEmBaylor
8/17/2011, 04:11 PM
Crashing the Tea Party (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opinion/crashing-the-tea-party.html)



The Tea Party is the Religious Right? I can mostly agree with that.

Other parts of the article I disagree with like the Tea Party being 100% Republican. While many of them are Republican, there was a Libertarian like Tea Party in the early stages that was against both parties but it was quickly overrun with the "Good Ole Boys" of the GOP.

This is exactly right, and that's exactly what killed it for me with the Tea Party.

Another big frustration is the need for a tea party, period. Theoretically, at least, the principles of the tea party should be (by and large) the principles of any conservative that believes in limited-government/individual rights.

It's like that old Chris Rock stand-up routine when he gets pissed at people that praise dads that support their kids when all they're really doing is the **** that they should be expected to do anyway. It's like, why are we praising the tea party for doing the things that conservatives should just be doing anyway?

It just annoys the **** out of me, but these days that's pretty par for the course with me.

sappstuf
8/17/2011, 04:14 PM
Alternate headline..

Obama less popular than Tea Party.

KantoSooner
8/17/2011, 04:27 PM
Do you mean to say that 'The Tea Party' is only one more strategem cooked up by The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy?!?

Can Rex Reed be far behind (and he is surely a sign of the apocalypse)?

I want to know where these conspiracy guys meet. I like the way they think and I'm sure they'll like my ideas, too!

TheLadiesMike
8/17/2011, 04:56 PM
Actually, I am one of these long time partisan Republicans and I did not care for Tea Party folks because they were new to politics and acted very high and mighty. It's much like Ron Paul supporters with the whole "we're the only ones that are right" schtick.

MR2-Sooner86
8/17/2011, 05:07 PM
It's much like Ron Paul supporters with the whole "we're the only ones that are right" schtick.

It's because we are right ;)

SicEmBaylor
8/17/2011, 05:30 PM
It's because we are right ;)

^^ This man is right. How do I know? Because, I agree with him and I'm always right. :D

BU BEAR
8/17/2011, 05:31 PM
Perhaps if they would hijack an airplane, then members of the media and academy would bend over backwards to placate the Tea Party.

87sooner
8/17/2011, 05:37 PM
Actually, I am one of these long time partisan Republicans and I did not care for Tea Party folks because they were new to politics and acted very high and mighty. It's much like Ron Paul supporters with the whole "we're the only ones that are right" schtick.

i wasn't aware the tea party was "new to politics"....
i just thought they were disgusted with the two current parties and decided it was time for a better alternative...
maybe i'm wrong...

but even if they are new to politics....they can't act high and mighty? but the dems/repubs can?
like they know **** about what's good for this country...
the dems/repubs should sit down and stfu....they've gotten us into a mess we may not get out of for decades...

87sooner
8/17/2011, 05:38 PM
Perhaps if they would hijack an airplane, then members of the media and academy would bend over backwards to placate the Tea Party.

good idea...
if it were the islamic tea party.....owebama would demand they be heard...

TIMB0B
8/17/2011, 06:18 PM
What a BS article. Here's a history lesson on the Tea Party...

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soonercruiser
8/17/2011, 11:00 PM
Perhaps if they would hijack an airplane, then members of the media and academy would bend over backwards to placate the Tea Party.

THIS ^^^^^
An we should always follow the Times, Newsweek, CBS, and the Lame Stream Media, shouldn't we?