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SanJoaquinSooner
8/11/2011, 09:41 PM
The Iowa straw poll is not a "test of strength." It's not a test of anything. It's a racket to raise money for the Iowa GOP. It's not democratic. It's not predictive. It's just a sideshow. Lest anyone get real worked up...

But having said that, it's good entertainment, and you never know - one of these may be President in Jan 2013 - so I'm watching.

most impressive ?
least impressive ?

Sooner5030
8/11/2011, 09:46 PM
debates are entertainment........otherwise we'd stop with the 30 second response to gotcha questions and let people speak for hours. Most of our 'problems' cant be solved with concepts that can be explained to the mob in 30 seconds.

we deserve our gubmint!

SanJoaquinSooner
8/11/2011, 10:08 PM
Not that they have any chance of getting elected, Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, and Utah Gov Huntsman were, in my eyes, most impressive.

Santorum and Cain were least impressive. Cain probably gives good speech, but he seemed out of his league.

Bachmann held her own, but confirmed the Newsweek photo was fair.

Romney, like 4 years ago, strikes me as Ted Baxter.

diverdog
8/11/2011, 10:14 PM
Not that they have any chance of getting elected, Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, and Utah Gov Huntsman were, in my eyes, most impressive.

Santorum and Cain were least impressive. Cain probably gives good speech, but he seemed out of his league.

Bachmann held her own, but confirmed the Newsweek photo was fair.

Romney, like 4 years ago, strikes me as Ted Baxter.

Santorum and Gingrich are not going to last too long. Gingrich's biggest enemy is his own mouth. He is the Joe Biden of the right.

MelloYello
8/11/2011, 10:17 PM
I kind of want to shag Bachmann. Kind of.

Sooner5030
8/11/2011, 10:20 PM
Ideologically I am more for Paul……..but the executive is more about management. So I guess Romney.

SanJoaquinSooner
8/11/2011, 10:21 PM
I kind of want to shag Bachmann. Kind of.

More than Palin?

MelloYello
8/11/2011, 10:23 PM
More than Palin?

No way.

SanJoaquinSooner
8/11/2011, 10:25 PM
It struck me how sheepish they all looked, raising their hands, when asked if they would reject a "$1 in increased revenues for every $10 in cuts." They should all accept that in a New York minute but "no tax increases" is a litmus test for the GOP.... like "no Cuba relations" is a litmus test for GOP Florida candidates.

OhU1
8/11/2011, 10:47 PM
It struck me how sheepish they all looked, raising their hands, when asked if they would reject a "$1 in increased revenues for every $10 in cuts." They should all accept that in a New York minute but "no tax increases" is a litmus test for the GOP.... like "no Cuba relations" is a litmus test for GOP Florida candidates.

Did anyone raise their hand on that question? Please tell me someone running on the GOP side has some sense.

SicEmBaylor
8/11/2011, 11:17 PM
Ron Paul won.

Rick Santorum was practically run off the stage.

OU_Sooners75
8/11/2011, 11:38 PM
Pawlesky had the best quote, to Michele Bachmann: "if that is your leadership, just stop! Just stop! You are making it worse for all of us."

I doubt that is verbatim, but close enough! Loved it.... Put it to that self loathing bitch!

RIPOUinsider
8/11/2011, 11:45 PM
Ron Paul

Not impressed with any of the others

delhalew
8/11/2011, 11:49 PM
Paul is so plain spoken, and straight to the point that it terrifies people.:D

Turd_Ferguson
8/12/2011, 12:17 AM
Paul is so plain spoken, and straight to the point that it terrifies people.:DPaul is like Perot...he comes across as too bat **** loony to get elected...

RIPOUinsider
8/12/2011, 12:44 AM
Paul is like Perot...he comes across as too bat **** loony to get elected...

I think Adm Stockdale sank that ship more than Perot's perceived looniness.

MamaMia
8/12/2011, 01:16 AM
Pawlesky had the best quote, to Michele Bachmann: "if that is your leadership, just stop! Just stop! You are making it worse for all of us."

I doubt that is verbatim, but close enough! Loved it.... Put it to that self loathing bitch!

What Pawlesky said was "She (Bachmann) says that shes fighting for these things. She fought for less government spending. We got a lot more. She lead the effort against Obama Care. We got Obama Care. She lead the effort against TA.R.P. We got T.A.R.P. She says shes got a a titanium spine. Its not her spine we're worried about. Its her record of results. If thats your view of effective leadership with results, please stop because you're killing us".

Bachmann says "I was at the tip of the spear fighting against the implementation of Obama Care in the United States Congress. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barrack Obama ran congress, but I gave them a run for their money. Again, on cap and trade, I was there from the very beginning giving Speaker Pelosi a run for her money. Thats why I was Speaker Pelosi's number one target to defeat last year..because I was effectively taking them on, on nearly every argument they put forward. I fought when others ran, I fought, and I led against an increase in the deficit".

Check mate to Bachmann. Why? Because no matter how hard you fight, and it was obvious to anyone paying attention, that she did in fact, fight tooth and nail, just as she said, Congressman Bachmann still has but one vote. Pawlesky holding her responsible for the outcome of what the entire congress did, is idiotic. That extremely ridiculous accusation he made toward her prompted me to cross him off my list. I'm quite sure I'm not alone.

SicEmBaylor
8/12/2011, 01:29 AM
Paul is like Perot...he comes across as too bat **** loony to get elected...

Eh, maybe, but he shouldn't.

Ron Paul is the Barry Goldwater of our generation. He's likely not electable, but hopefully his message will resonate with the party and his "brand" of conservatism will become dominant.

SicEmBaylor
8/12/2011, 01:30 AM
What Pawlesky said was "She (Bachmann) says that shes fighting for these things. She fought for less government spending. We got a lot more. She lead the effort against Obama Care. We got Obama Care. She lead the effort against TA.R.P. We got T.A.R.P. She says shes got a a titanium spine. Its not her spine we're worried about. Its her record of results. If thats your view of effective leadership with results, please stop because you're killing us.

Bachmann says I was at the tip of the spear fighting against the implementation of Obama Care in the United States Congress. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barrack Obama ran congress, but I gave them a run for their money. Again, on cap and trade, I was there from the very beginning giving Speaker Pelosi a run for her money. Thats why I was Speaker Pelosi's number one target to defeat last year..because I was effectively taking them on, on nearly every argument they put forward. I fought when others ran, I fought, and I led against an increase in the deficit.

Check mate to Bachmann. Why? Because no matter how hard you fight, and it was obvious to anyone paying attention, that she did in fact, fight tooth and nail, just as she said, Congressman Bachmann still has but one vote. Pawlesky holding her responsible for the outcome of what the entire congress did, is idiotic. That extremely ridiculous accusation he made toward her prompted me to cross him off my list. I'm quite sure I'm not alone.

Folks.
Folks.
Folks.

It's "Pawlenty."

SicEmBaylor
8/12/2011, 01:33 AM
Check mate to Bachmann. Why? Because no matter how hard you fight, and it was obvious to anyone paying attention, that she did in fact, fight tooth and nail, just as she said, Congressman Bachmann still has but one vote. Pawlesky holding her responsible for the outcome of what the entire congress did, is idiotic. That extremely ridiculous accusation he made toward her prompted me to cross him off my list. I'm quite sure I'm not alone.

Yes, but what she didn't say was that she also "led the fight" to strip law abiding Americans of their civil liberties and has publicly stated that she intends to disregard the 1st Amendment in order to implement her dogmatic belief system.

Oh Michele...Michele...Michele...oh how she teases us with her "limited-government" talk while failing to walk the walk.

MamaMia
8/12/2011, 01:39 AM
Folks.
Folks.
Folks.

It's "Pawlenty."Why did you quote me? I called him "Pawlesky" for funsies, because thats what OU_Sooners75 called him right before i quoted him.
Yes, but what she didn't say was that she also "led the fight" to strip law abiding Americans of their civil liberties and has publicly stated that she intends to disregard the 1st Amendment in order to implement her dogmatic belief system.

Oh Michele...Michele...Michele...oh how she teases us with her "limited-government" talk while failing to walk the walk. What does that that have to do with what I addressed? I was speaking to what OU_Sooners75 said. If you want to point out a Bachmann flaw, then do so in a post thats perhaps a bit more detailed.

SicEmBaylor
8/12/2011, 01:52 AM
Why did you quote me? I called him "Pawlesky" for funsies, because thats what OU_Sooners75 called him right before i quoted him.
Because you were the last person to do so? I didn't spend too much time putting a lot of consideration into whether I should quote you or 75, but I figured that since I addressed my comments to "folks" rather than "Mama" that it would be pretty clear that I was speaking to everyone and merely using your post as a reference...which is precisely the case.


What does that that have to do with what I addressed? I was speaking to what OU_Sooners75 said. If you want to point out a Bachmann flaw, then do so in a post thats perhaps a bit more detailed.

What does it have to do with what you addressed? Really? Well, it has everything to do with what you addressed. Your comments were in reference to what Bachman said regarding her "leadership" on several major legislative battles. She was emphasizing all of this because of her rather thin legislative history, but that is neither here nor there for the moment. In any case, I was merely pointing out her "leadership" on another major legislative battle that she failed to mention.

More to the point, I reserve the right to point out Bachman's many many flaws where ever I want for whatever reasons I want. This is my policy and it applies to the other candidates as well....except Ron Paul who is a God among Men. ;)

hawaii 5-0
8/12/2011, 01:55 AM
A bunch of loose loonies. Entertaining tho.

Hey Mo !!


5-0


Trump/ Shemp 2012

SicEmBaylor
8/12/2011, 01:57 AM
A bunch of loose loonies. Entertaining tho.

Hey Mo !!


5-0


Trump/ Shemp 2012

Loose loonies? Is this markedly different than the cracker jack lineup of aces the Democrats had in '08? ...or even '04 for that matter?

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/12/2011, 02:12 AM
I think Adm Stockdale sank that ship more than Perot's perceived looniness.Perot as a 3rd partier gave it to Der schlickmeister, twice.

MamaMia
8/12/2011, 02:13 AM
Because you were the last person to do so? I didn't spend too much time putting a lot of consideration into whether I should quote you or 75, but I figured that since I addressed my comments to "folks" rather than "Mama" that it would be pretty clear that I was speaking to everyone and merely using your post as a reference...which is precisely the case.75 was the only one who called him that. I was mimicking him. So what other "folks" are you correcting beside 75?




What does it have to do with what you addressed? Really? Well, it has everything to do with what you addressed. Your comments were in reference to what Bachman said regarding her "leadership" on several major legislative battles. She was emphasizing all of this because of her rather thin legislative history, but that is neither here nor there for the moment. In any case, I was merely pointing out her "leadership" on another major legislative battle that she failed to mention.

More to the point, I reserve the right to point out Bachman's many many flaws where ever I want for whatever reasons I want. This is my policy and it applies to the other candidates as well....except Ron Paul who is a God among Men. ;)

It actually has nothing to do with what I addressed, due to the fact that I was responding to 75 by very simply quoting Bushman's rebuttal word for word. If you have something to say about the fact that I thought Pawlentys accusation was ridiculous then ok, because thats all that I personally stated. The rest were mere quotes coming from Bachmann and Pawlenty. Your statement had nothing to do with Pawlentys, Bachmanns, 75s, or my subject matter. Your opinion is on some other issue involving her.

If you want to point out what you perceive as Bachmann flaws, do you need to pop up a quote that has nothing to do with whatever you feel her flaws are? Just say what you want to say. You don't need an empty lead in.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/12/2011, 02:15 AM
Eh, maybe, but he shouldn't.

Ron Paul is the Barry Goldwater of our generation. He's likely not electable, but hopefully his message will resonate with the party and his "brand" of conservatism will become dominant.Brilliant!

SicEmBaylor
8/12/2011, 02:21 AM
75 was the only one who called him that. I was mimicking him. So what other "folks" are you correcting beside 75?
I'm really not a mind-reader so if your intention was to "mimic" him then I don't see how I was supposed to know that.


It actually has nothing to do with what I addressed, due to the fact that I was responding to 75 by very simply quoting Bushman's rebuttal word for word. If you have something to say about the fact that I thought Pawlentys accusation was ridiculous then ok, because thats all that I personally stated. The rest were mere quotes coming from Bachmann and Pawlenty. Your statement had nothing to do with Pawlentys, Bachmanns, 75s, or my subject matter. Your opinion is on some other issue involving her.

If you want to point out what you perceive as Bachmann flaws, do you need to pop up a quote that has nothing to do with whatever you feel her flaws are? Just say what you want to say. You don't need an empty lead in.

Ooooookay then. If you could type up these posting/quoting/responding rules and send it out in a memo then that would be grrreeaaaaaat.

I'll keep it here next to my keyboard as a "cheat sheet."

SicEmBaylor
8/12/2011, 02:21 AM
Brilliant!

I honestly can not tell when you are being sarcastic.

MR2-Sooner86
8/12/2011, 06:21 AM
This is the Tenth Amendment run amok! We have Ron Paul saying, 'oh, whatever the states want to do under the Tenth Amendment, that's fine.' So if the states want to pass polygamy that's fine. If the states want to impose sterilization, that's fine. No. Our country is based on moral laws, ladies and gentlemen. There are things the states can't do. ...We are a nation that has values. We are a nation that was built on a moral enterprise. But states don't have the right to tramp over those because of the Tenth Amendment.

This is one of the things that's wrong with the GOP.

AlbqSooner
8/12/2011, 06:53 AM
If you could type up these posting/quoting/responding rules and send it out in a memo then that would be grrreeaaaaaat.

I'll keep it here next to my keyboard as a "cheat sheet."

So you DO admit that you are a cheater? ;)

JohnnyMack
8/12/2011, 07:17 AM
Michele Bachmann is a front running loon who's about as electable as a sack of dead hamsters.

bigfatjerk
8/12/2011, 07:48 AM
This is one of the things that's wrong with the GOP.

Rick Santorum is one step away from actually being a democrat with all the rights he wants to limit of the individual.

SanJoaquinSooner
8/12/2011, 08:34 AM
Rick Santorum is one step away from actually being a democrat with all the rights he wants to limit of the individual.

He's a bad fit with the donks as well.

Curly Bill
8/12/2011, 08:45 AM
A bunch of loose loonies. Entertaining tho.

Hey Mo !!


5-0


Trump/ Shemp 2012

We're shocked you'd think that. :rolleyes: You're a lefty, bat**** crazy, socialist leaning dumas. Anyway, I'm sure you take that all as a compliment so have a nice day.

bigfatjerk
8/12/2011, 08:50 AM
He's a bad fit with the donks as well.

Not really he just has to slightly change this language and he's a dem. There isn't a big difference between most main stream dems and repubs and hasn't been for a long time.

I just got done watching the debate. I can understand how people are scared about some of the things Ron Paul says especially about Iran, I think he's pretty much dead wrong on that because Iran is too crazy to really deal with outside of sanctions. But we need to get out of Iraq/Afghanistan yesterday and need to really cut spending not keep going up and up. That's where he's right on pretty much everything. I think he is a little to naive on some of the middle east, but I'm okay with that. It's a lot better than being to militaristic about the middle east.

tommieharris91
8/12/2011, 08:53 AM
Rick Santorum is one step away from actually being a democrat with all the rights he wants to limit of the individual.

Yea, Progressives tend to not be big fans of religion, or... whatever point Santorum was trying to make in that rant.

bigfatjerk
8/12/2011, 09:00 AM
About the only difference is language. Democrats want fewer individual rights because they think people are stupid. Republicans want fewer individual rights because they think they think they know better. But the differences aren't really that much.

NormanPride
8/12/2011, 09:11 AM
These are the "leaders of America"? Is no one else shamed by this?

Curly Bill
8/12/2011, 09:14 AM
These are the "leaders of America"? Is no one else shamed by this?

I've been ashamed for a while now. Hope and Change hasn't changed that, nor did anyone on stage last night.

MamaMia
8/12/2011, 09:21 AM
Michele Bachmann is a front running loon who's about as electable as a sack of dead hamsters.

Shes right about Obama being a one term president.

NormanPride
8/12/2011, 09:24 AM
Sure about that? The GOP has to present someone who's capable before anyone will oust the current president. Nobody capable has come up.

MamaMia
8/12/2011, 09:28 AM
Sure about that? The GOP has to present someone who's capable before anyone will oust the current president. Nobody capable has come up.The GOP has to present someone who's breathing before anyone will oust the current president.

bigfatjerk
8/12/2011, 09:28 AM
Sure about that? The GOP has to present someone who's capable before anyone will oust the current president. Nobody capable has come up.

It doesn't matter because Obama will have a tough time winning Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina.

JohnnyMack
8/12/2011, 09:32 AM
Shes right about Obama being a one term president.

She's probably right about that.

However, it doesn't change my belief that she's a ****ing loon that has about the same chance of winning the nomination as a can of spray paint does.

MamaMia
8/12/2011, 09:39 AM
She's probably right about that.

However, it doesn't change my belief that she's a ****ing loon that has about the same chance of winning the nomination as a can of spray paint does.

Shes in second place at the moment. You have to be in first place to win. If the general election were held today, Mitt Romney would beat Obama.

GKeeper316
8/12/2011, 09:43 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-the-gop-debate-in-iowa/2011/08/11/gIQAH9PAAJ_blog.html?hpid=z1




The GOP has to present someone who's breathing before anyone will oust the current president.


not true. the GOP is so fractured right now, there's no chance a republican wins next year. the dems are solidly behind thier candidate. all the dems have to do is play the tea baggers against the moderates and the election is won.

NormanPride
8/12/2011, 09:44 AM
Fortunately it's over a year away so people will have plenty of time to get to know her crazy ***.

JohnnyMack
8/12/2011, 09:47 AM
Shes in second place at the moment. You have to be in first place to win. If the general election were held today, Mitt Romney would beat Obama.

I would bet you any amount of money, or you can rub my feet at a tailgate, that says Bachmann doesn't win the Republican nomination.

crawfish
8/12/2011, 09:52 AM
Paul is like Perot...he comes across as too bat **** loony to get elected...

The fact that most Republicans see Paul as loony while they see Bachmann, Palin, Perry, Santorum and Romney as normal is a big part of the problem.

MamaMia
8/12/2011, 09:54 AM
I would bet you any amount of money, or you can rub my feet at a tailgate, that says Bachmann doesn't win the Republican nomination.Thats gross. :P

If I was to guess, I'd say Rick Perry or Mitt Romney will win it.

Curly Bill
8/12/2011, 09:55 AM
not true. the GOP is so fractured right now, there's no chance a republican wins next year. the dems are solidly behind thier candidate. all the dems have to do is play the tea baggers against the moderates and the election is won.

Wow, how astute! The dems are behind Obama, really...what a shocker! :rolleyes: Tell us Paul Begala, who the more independent voters are likely to vote for with the economy like it is?

NormanPride
8/12/2011, 10:02 AM
I, as an independent will vote for Obama if someone crazy is nominated by the GOP. I will then commit suicide for I do not wish to live in that world.

GKeeper316
8/12/2011, 10:03 AM
Wow, how astute! The dems are behind Obama, really...what a shocker! :rolleyes: Tell us Paul Begala, who the more independent voters are likely to vote for with the economy like it is?

i'm at a loss, here... you want me to tell you who the dumbest voters in america are going to vote for... i havn't a clue. independent and undecided voters are the biggest bunch of morons that make up the american voting public. people that don't know what they stand for who generally latch on to the "prettiest" candidate because they don't understand the complexities of politics.

Curly Bill
8/12/2011, 10:10 AM
i'm at a loss, here... you want me to tell you who the dumbest voters in america are going to vote for... i havn't a clue. independent and undecided voters are the biggest bunch of morons that make up the american voting public. people that don't know what they stand for who generally latch on to the "prettiest" candidate because they don't understand the complexities of politics.

Which is how Brack was elected. Even the Dumbest voters in america likely won't make that mistake again. Thus the flaw in your initial analysis. Donks wll vote for Brack, pubs will vote for whomever they nominate...no surprises there, but will "independent" voters be stupid enough to vote for Brack again? I don't see it, but stranger things have happened.

GKeeper316
8/12/2011, 10:25 AM
Which is how Brack was elected. Even the Dumbest voters in america likely won't make that mistake again. Thus the flaw in your initial analysis. Donks wll vote for Brack, pubs will vote for whomever they nominate...no surprises there, but will "independent" voters be stupid enough to vote for Brack again? I don't see it, but stranger things have happened.

the president hasn't really started to campaign yet.

give it another 6 months.

MamaMia
8/12/2011, 10:29 AM
the president hasn't really started to campaign yet.

give it another 6 months.

Obama never stopped campaigning.

olevetonahill
8/12/2011, 10:34 AM
i'm at a loss, here... you want me to tell you who the dumbest voters in america are going to vote for... i havn't a clue. independent and undecided voters are the biggest bunch of morons that make up the american voting public. people that don't know what they stand for who generally latch on to the "prettiest" candidate because they don't understand the complexities of politics.

Gomer just tell us who YOU are gonna vote for, I bet we can figure it from there.:D

jkjsooner
8/12/2011, 10:48 AM
About the only difference is language. Democrats want fewer individual rights because they think people are stupid. Republicans want fewer individual rights because they think they think they know better. But the differences aren't really that much.

I think there's a lot of truth to what you said but instead of saying "stupid" I'd say "selfish".

GKeeper316
8/12/2011, 10:48 AM
Gomer just tell us who YOU are gonna vote for, I bet we can figure it from there.:D

i'd like to see a republican candidate that will address our financial issues in an intelligent way that also doesn't try to legislate christian morality. give me that candidate, i'll vote for him. if the pubs don't have one of those, i'll vote obama again.

tommieharris91
8/12/2011, 10:55 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-the-gop-debate-in-iowa/2011/08/11/gIQAH9PAAJ_blog.html?hpid=z1




not true. the GOP is so fractured right now, there's no chance a republican wins next year. the dems are solidly behind thier candidate. all the dems have to do is play the tea baggers against the moderates and the election is won.

We are? I guess I'm too busy calling Obama a conservative to notice the invisible legion of voters ready to give him a second term.

MamaMia
8/12/2011, 11:14 AM
i'd like to see a republican candidate that will address our financial issues in an intelligent way that also doesn't try to legislate christian morality. give me that candidate, i'll vote for him. if the pubs don't have one of those, i'll vote obama again.Don't hold your breath. I doubt the republicans will ever have an immoral heathen running for president. :D

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/12/2011, 11:55 AM
Sure about that? The GOP has to present someone who's capable before anyone will oust the current president. Nobody capable has come up.Owebama is Debt Man Walking, and deliberately trying to bring down the country. Orange Juice Can(R) gets my vote, and should get everybody's vote, if we have hope for change of transformation back to prosperity.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/12/2011, 11:59 AM
I, as an independent will vote for Obama if someone crazy is nominated by the GOP. I will then commit suicide for I do not wish to live in that world.Thanks for voting for, and then wishing that world on your fellow countrymen.

87sooner
8/12/2011, 12:54 PM
not true. the GOP is so fractured right now, there's no chance a republican wins next year. the dems are solidly behind thier candidate. all the dems have to do is play the tea baggers against the moderates and the election is won.

if there are only two candidates for prez in 2012.....obama will lose..
the fact is....the dems don't elect the president...and neither do the repubs...
the independents elect the president EVERY time....
whoever they side with..wins..
at this point....that will be the repub....because i just don't see the economy getting better...and the independents vote their wallets..

only way obama wins is if a third party candidate emerges and splits the repub/independent vote..

87sooner
8/12/2011, 12:58 PM
i'm at a loss, here... you want me to tell you who the dumbest voters in america are going to vote for... i havn't a clue. independent and undecided voters are the biggest bunch of morons that make up the american voting public. people that don't know what they stand for who generally latch on to the "prettiest" candidate because they don't understand the complexities of politics.

the biggest bunch of morons are the dems that voted for obama simply and only because he had a D next to his name....

87sooner
8/12/2011, 01:00 PM
i'd like to see a republican candidate that will address our financial issues in an intelligent way that also doesn't try to legislate christian morality. give me that candidate, i'll vote for him. if the pubs don't have one of those, i'll vote obama again.

guess you're only hope is ron paul...
looks like you'll be supporting the losing candidate in 2012

GKeeper316
8/12/2011, 01:00 PM
the biggest bunch of morons are the dems that voted for obama simply and only because he had a D next to his name....

not the pubs that wanted to put sarah palin a wheezing heart attack away from the oval office? those guys aren't dumber? really?

GKeeper316
8/12/2011, 01:03 PM
guess you're only hope is ron paul...
looks like you'll be supporting the losing candidate in 2012

as long as the christian right dictates who gets the republican nomination, ron paul will never see the nomination... which is a shame. i like ron paul a lot. his son's a major league ******, tho.

87sooner
8/12/2011, 01:11 PM
as long as the christian right dictates who gets the republican nomination, ron paul will never see the nomination... which is a shame. i like ron paul a lot. his son's a major league ******, tho.

do you really think the christian right "dictated" mccain's nomination?

GKeeper316
8/12/2011, 01:18 PM
do you really think the christian right "dictated" mccain's nomination?

yes. they were the ones that shoved sarah palin down his throat.

JohnnyMack
8/12/2011, 01:24 PM
Is it a coincidence that after Ralph Reed put his nose back under the Republican tent we have people like Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry falling all over themselves to enter the fray?

NormanPride
8/12/2011, 01:27 PM
Thanks for voting for, and then wishing that world on your fellow countrymen.
Thanks for being a generation full of ****ty leaders that are destroying the world like a cancer.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/12/2011, 01:36 PM
do you really think the christian right "dictated" mccain's nomination?If you call Leftists registered as R's, and also Leftists voting in R primaries in open primary states the Christian Right, then yeah, of course.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/12/2011, 01:58 PM
Thanks for being a generation full of ****ty leaders that are destroying the world like a cancer.I admit to Der Schlickmeister and W., but Owebama, the worst of all, is not of my generation. You are voting for him since he's NOT from my generation?

NormanPride
8/12/2011, 02:14 PM
I would be voting for him because I have to vote for someone. In OK we can't vote for third parties. And I would rather vote for someone that at least has been in the office than a psychopath.

I voted McCain the first time around.

bigfatjerk
8/12/2011, 02:17 PM
You don't HAVE to vote for anyone. I didn't vote last time around because there isn't a difference between Obama and McCain and I think Obama's history has proven that.

NormanPride
8/12/2011, 02:19 PM
No, I have to vote. If I don't vote then I'm not doing my civic duty. My one job as a citizen is to be part of the process and vote. If I don't do that I might as well not be here.

diverdog
8/12/2011, 02:26 PM
if there are only two candidates for prez in 2012.....obama will lose..
the fact is....the dems don't elect the president...and neither do the repubs...
the independents elect the president EVERY time....
whoever they side with..wins..
at this point....that will be the repub....because i just don't see the economy getting better...and the independents vote their wallets..

only way obama wins is if a third party candidate emerges and splits the repub/independent vote..

There are more Democrats than Republicans. If all Democrats vote Democrat the Republicans would be out of power. Bush won an electorial college vote not a popular vote in his first term. Now I think you could argue that there are more moderates and conservatives than liberals.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/12/2011, 02:27 PM
I would be voting for him because I have to vote for someone. In OK we can't vote for third parties. And I would rather vote for someone that at least has been in the office than a psychopath.

I voted McCain the first time around.If someone was deliberately trying to sabotage our country, they would do the things Owebama does, and has done. If you're happy with more of that, then, well, it just doesn't make any sense.

SicEmBaylor
8/12/2011, 02:34 PM
No, I have to vote. If I don't vote then I'm not doing my civic duty. My one job as a citizen is to be part of the process and vote. If I don't do that I might as well not be here.

NP, my friend, you're way off base on this one.

It is NOT one's civic duty to vote. Only if voting were considered a virtuous end unto itself would voting be a civic duty. Voting is merely the best available means to an end (the end being the election of a good competent leader).

It is your civic duty to be an informed citizen, and it's your civic duty to take that information and use it to make a rational decision on who to vote for if anyone at all. If the choice were between Hitler and Stalin (extreme cases I know), do you think it'd be your civic duty to vote for one or the other?

Abstaining from all or specific races is a perfectly acceptable and honorable decision. Don't let anyone ever EVER tell you otherwise. If there isn't a candidate that you feel truly comfortable about voting for then don't vote. THAT is doing your civic duty. Your civic duty is not to choose between the lesser of two evils.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/12/2011, 02:43 PM
NP, my friend, you're way off base on this one.

It is NOT one's civic duty to vote. Only if voting were considered a virtuous end unto itself would voting be a civic duty. Voting is merely the best available means to an end (the end being the election of a good competent leader).

It is your civic duty to be an informed citizen, and it's your civic duty to take that information and use it to make a rational decision on who to vote for if anyone at all. If the choice were between Hitler and Stalin (extreme cases I know), do you think it'd be your civic duty to vote for one or the other?

Abstaining from all or specific races is a perfectly acceptable and honorable decision. Don't let anyone ever EVER tell you otherwise. If there isn't a candidate that you feel truly comfortable about voting for then don't vote. THAT is doing your civic duty. Your civic duty is not to choose between the lesser of two evils.You're warming up and are absolutely correct, except for the last sentence. If one feels it is his civic duty to try to limit damage, then he should make that choice. Owebama is proven poison. A track record that can't be justified.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/12/2011, 02:51 PM
One would hope that NP's choosing Obear over anyone the R's have as their nominee is not a sign that he ACTUALLY thinks any of them would do things more damaging to the country than Obear(or Hillry, for that matter). If he was just a D sycophant, it would be explainable, though not sensible, of course.

87sooner
8/12/2011, 04:27 PM
yes. they were the ones that shoved sarah palin down his throat.

you said the "republican nomination"....
the christian conservatives wanted nothing to do with mccain...
christian conservatives did NOT "dictate" the republican nomination in 2008

87sooner
8/12/2011, 04:35 PM
There are more Democrats than Republicans. If all Democrats vote Democrat the Republicans would be out of power. Bush won an electorial college vote not a popular vote in his first term. Now I think you could argue that there are more moderates and conservatives than liberals.




In July, 34.8% of adults consider themselves to be Democrats, virtually unchanged from 34.7% in June. The number of Republicans fell from 35.6% in May to 34.4% in June to 33.1% in July.



Voters not affiliated with either party grew from 31.0% in June to 32.1% in July.



you're right...
dems = 34.8%
repubs = 33.1%

independents = 32.1%

so you tell me...who elects our prez?

SicEmBaylor
8/12/2011, 05:05 PM
you're right...
dems = 34.8%
repubs = 33.1%

independents = 32.1%

so you tell me...who elects our prez?

And if we had a national direct-election of the President then that might actually mean something.

Curly Bill
8/12/2011, 05:16 PM
And if we had a national direct-election of the President then that might actually mean something.

Oh good lord! Lets not get that argument started again. :P

SicEmBaylor
8/12/2011, 05:19 PM
Oh good lord! Lets not get that argument started again. :P

Oh, I wasn't advocating. I detest the very idea of a direct-election with every fiber and sinew in my body and soul. I would storm the gates of Congress bare chested with a pitchfork in one hand and torch in the other before I'd submit to the direct election of my President.

I'm just saying that national voter registration totals are meaningless.

Curly Bill
8/12/2011, 05:24 PM
Oh, I wasn't advocating. I detest the very idea of a direct-election with every fiber and sinew in my body and soul. I would storm the gates of Congress bare chested with a pitchfork in one hand and torch in the other before I'd submit to the direct election of my President.

I'm just saying that national voter registration totals are meaningless.

I remember you're not a direct-election guy, but who was it here not long ago that was all over that? It was one of the crazy libs if I remember right???

But yeah, I know what you're saying on the registration totals.

87sooner
8/12/2011, 05:27 PM
And if we had a national direct-election of the President then that might actually mean something.

so you're saying that the independents in swing states like virginia/indiana/florida/ohio/pennsylvania/etc are insignificant?

SicEmBaylor
8/12/2011, 05:39 PM
so you're saying that the independents in swing states like virginia/indiana/florida/ohio/pennsylvania/etc are insignificant?

No. I said nothing of the sort.

87sooner
8/12/2011, 05:56 PM
No. I said nothing of the sort.

well...the national numbers may be meaningless....
(i posted them in response to diver's post regarding dem/repub numbers...)

but i assure you...the independent numbers in indiana/virginia/ohio/florida/missouri/pennsylvania are not meaningless...

Curly Bill
8/12/2011, 06:02 PM
Right. The statewide numbers do matter, the overall national numbers not so much.

SicEmBaylor
8/12/2011, 07:14 PM
Right. The statewide numbers do matter, the overall national numbers not so much.

Exactly.

87sooner
8/12/2011, 07:20 PM
Rick Perry add nothing to the ticket. Repubs will win Texas, regardless of the nominee.

Romney will bring in the Northeast and adding Rubio on the undercard will solidify Florida and add hispanics and Tea Party Patriots.

If the GOP does this, they win in a landslide.

and we get more of the same ole crooked politicians....

MR2-Sooner86
8/12/2011, 08:30 PM
Interesting...

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss39/maninblack1/screenshot-20110812-122101.png

soonercruiser
8/12/2011, 09:12 PM
Whomever beats Obama, I pray they make Ron Paul Chairman of the Fed.
:D

Somebody is trying to downplay the importance of the "independant" vote. About the only places that independants don't matter are L.A., Chicago, San Francisco, Philly, and New York.
(And even in SF, gays can now be "dependant!)
:rolleyes:

SanJoaquinSooner
8/12/2011, 10:26 PM
Michelle Bachmann is at least 70% likeable because she is one of these candidates that drinks the truth serum and becomes totally transparent -- like Ron Paul and Al Sharpton. They say what they really think, no matter. Fringe candidates can do that. Barry Switzer was always like that too.

But Bachmann fudged big time when she claimed "submissive" and "respect" are synonyms. No, they aren't.

sooner ngintunr
8/12/2011, 10:39 PM
At least we learned that jackass Santorum is concerned with gays rights in Iran. He's willing to bomb the **** out them to prove it.

SanJoaquinSooner
8/12/2011, 11:15 PM
At least we learned that jackass Santorum is concerned with gays rights in Iran. He's willing to bomb the **** out them to prove it.

I'm glad you confirmed that. I thought I was imagining weird sh*t. I guess he locked up the "invade-Iran-for-gay-rights-but-they-can't-get-married" vote.

hawaii 5-0
8/13/2011, 02:49 AM
It doesn't matter because Obama will have a tough time winning Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina.



So will any of the candidates on that stage last night.


Where's Condi?

Where's Colin Powell?


5-0


Trump/ Louie 2012

SicEmBaylor
8/13/2011, 03:09 AM
Where's Condi?

Where's Colin Powell?


5-0


Trump/ Louie 2012

I'll take "Blessedly Absent" for $100, Alex.

hawaii 5-0
8/13/2011, 03:15 AM
I'll take "Blessedly Absent" for $100, Alex.



It seems they all are either certifiable or carry serious baggage.

Colin and Condi are 2 Repubs I coulda supported. (of course, as long as Karl Rove isn't guiding their campaigns)


5-0


Trump/ Slipshod 2012

87sooner
8/13/2011, 08:22 AM
It seems they all are either certifiable or carry serious baggage.

Colin and Condi are 2 Repubs I coulda supported. (of course, as long as Karl Rove isn't guiding their campaigns)


5-0


Trump/ Slipshod 2012

condi was bush's mouthpiece for invading iraq.....
you know...that al qaeda/wmd filled country within inches of a nuke?

hawaii 5-0
8/13/2011, 11:53 AM
condi was bush's mouthpiece for invading iraq.....
you know...that al qaeda/wmd filled country within inches of a nuke?




She was just following orders as was Powell when as Sec of State he went before the UN and repeated the lies fed him.

Actually I don't even blame Bush much, tho he was President. He was just following the orders of Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld.

5-0


Trump/ Doris 2012

FaninAma
8/13/2011, 12:40 PM
The GOP has to present someone who's breathing before anyone will oust the current president.

Thank you Nostradamus. Several groups predicted Reagan had no chance in 1980. I think I'll just wait and see how this plays out.

silverwheels
8/13/2011, 12:55 PM
Ron Paul vs. Obama = my vote goes to Paul
Anyone else vs. Obama = my vote doesn't happen


Man, I wish Oklahoma allowed write-ins. And voting just to vote isn't going to help anything.

SanJoaquinSooner
8/13/2011, 02:29 PM
''(Gay marriage) is probably the biggest issue that will impact our state and our nation in the last, at least, thirty years. I am not understating that.''
--Michelle Bachmann


Not sure what this means but time must be non-linear.

MR2-Sooner86
8/13/2011, 02:39 PM
Hey Rush, I have a question about your clone.

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Does he really think our troops currently serving are nuts on parade? Does he really think Ron Paul will be the death of the GOP?

SicEmBaylor
8/13/2011, 02:55 PM
If the GOP dies because of Ron Paul then it deserves and needs to die.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/13/2011, 05:41 PM
Paul wants all the troops to come home. It's unlikely many of the troops want to be in Iraq or Iran, haha. That shouldn't surprise many folks. There apparently is a large % of blacks in the military, just as in the general population, who still like the Obear Owebama. That should be no surprise to anyone, either. Great video. VERY informative!

SanJoaquinSooner
8/13/2011, 06:14 PM
Iowa Straw Poll:

Michelle Bachmann winner.

Ron Paul comes in 2nd.

See Original Post.

MR2-Sooner86
8/13/2011, 06:28 PM
Bachmann - 4823
Ron Paul - 4671
Pawlenty - 2293
Santorum - 1657
Cain - 1456
Perry – 718 votes
Romney – 567 votes
Gingrich – 385 votes (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61315.html)

We came close today but being within under 200 votes is awesome.


I think my challenge of Ron Paul hurt him. Michelle Bachmann should thank me.

Go suck a dick you neo-con son of a bitch.

87sooner
8/13/2011, 06:47 PM
i'm not encouraged....
iowans seem to be bright people...
unfortunately...they don't/won't elect the president...
they wisely chose huckabee last time around....then the press/establishment squashed him and gave us mccain...
iowa doesn't matter....

it's nice to see that they aren't buying the romney lie...

soonerhubs
8/13/2011, 06:49 PM
If the GOP dies because of Ron Paul then it deserves and needs to die.

This!

MR2-Sooner86
8/13/2011, 06:51 PM
iowa doesn't matter....

True, November 2012 is what really matters. I'm glad to see what happened but lets move on and continue to the next fight. It's a long, long road until that November 6th.

87sooner
8/13/2011, 07:06 PM
True, November 2012 is what really matters. I'm glad to see what happened but lets move on and continue to the next fight. It's a long, long road until that November 6th.

the iowa caucus in 2012 doesn't matter...

SicEmBaylor
8/13/2011, 07:10 PM
the iowa caucus in 2012 doesn't matter...

Uh....that's essentially what he just said. He's saying the overall election in '12 is what matters -- not what happens in Iowa in 2011.

87sooner
8/13/2011, 07:18 PM
Uh....that's essentially what he just said. He's saying the overall election in '12 is what matters -- not what happens in Iowa in 2011.

ok...i see that now...
but we're discussing the repub nomination...

diverdog
8/14/2011, 02:04 AM
if there are only two candidates for prez in 2012.....obama will lose..
the fact is....the dems don't elect the president...and neither do the repubs...
the independents elect the president EVERY time....
whoever they side with..wins..
at this point....that will be the repub....because i just don't see the economy getting better...and the independents vote their wallets..

only way obama wins is if a third party candidate emerges and splits the repub/independent vote..

There are more Democrats than Republicans. If all Democrats vote Democrat the Republicans would be out of power. Bush won an electorial college vote not a popular vote in his first term. Now I think you could argue that there are more moderates and conservatives than liberals.

87sooner
8/14/2011, 03:40 AM
There are more Democrats than Republicans. If all Democrats vote Democrat the Republicans would be out of power. Bush won an electorial college vote not a popular vote in his first term. Now I think you could argue that there are more moderates and conservatives than liberals.

ok....so you posted that same thing on page 5..
what is your point?

tommieharris91
8/14/2011, 09:14 AM
Tim Pawlenty drops out of the race.

pphilfran
8/14/2011, 09:16 AM
Tim Pawlenty drops out of the race.


Yep, just say that...

His big mistake was choosing to enter the race...

diverdog
8/14/2011, 04:42 PM
ok....so you posted that same thing on page 5..
what is your point?

Wow I have no idea how that happened.

northspeter
8/14/2011, 04:45 PM
it's perry or bust for the repubs....

silverwheels
8/14/2011, 04:57 PM
Are we really going to let someone who was an Aggie nut squeezer run for President?

87sooner
8/14/2011, 08:07 PM
I just don't see perry getting the nod.

I see a Romney/Rubio or Romney/bachmann ticket

romney/anyone will be 4 more years of disaster...

soonerhubs
8/14/2011, 08:42 PM
Ron Paul or bust. I want our liberties and not just the ones social conservatives think are important.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/14/2011, 08:53 PM
Bachmann - 4823
Ron Paul - 4671
Pawlenty - 2293
Santorum - 1657
Cain - 1456
Perry – 718 votes
Romney – 567 votes
Gingrich – 385 votes (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61315.html)

We came close today but being within under 200 votes is awesome.



Go suck a dick you neo-con son of a bitch.Hopefully you have the same venomous passion toward the Obear!

soonerhubs
8/14/2011, 08:56 PM
Hopefully you have the same venomous passion toward the Obear!

... or any fraudulent quasi-conservative who will spend the country into oblivion.

Just because they are blowing the money on two different things doesn't make it right.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/14/2011, 08:56 PM
i'm not encouraged....
iowans seem to be bright people...
unfortunately...they don't/won't elect the president...
they wisely chose huckabee last time around....then the press/establishment squashed him and gave us mccain...
iowa doesn't matter....

it's nice to see that they aren't buying the romney lie...I thought McCain and Huckabee were the only 2 republicans last time that had LITTLE to NO chance of winning. Dunno about Huckabee, but I was right about McCain. Thank you, open primary states...not

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/14/2011, 09:01 PM
... or any fraudulent quasi-conservative who will spend the country into oblivion.

Just because they are blowing the money on two different things doesn't make it right.OVER spending in itself is bad, of course. Some Federal expenditures are for authorized items, and some are not. But, you know that, don't you!

87sooner
8/14/2011, 09:02 PM
I thought McCain and Huckabee were the only 2 republicans last time that had LITTLE to NO chance of winning. Dunno about Huckabee, but I was right about McCain. Thank you, open primary states...not

i don't think any repub had a chance...
the independents just weren't in the mood for 4 more years of a repub....they were sick of bush over the wars and the economy..

but the republican machine really knows how to screw itself...
huck was building momentum...and then the senile old thompson came in for the attack and stopped huck in south carolina...
then the press forced the mccain/romney show on us...and it was all over...

i expect a similar outcome this go-round...
establishment backs romney....
we're stuck with an idiot the next 4 years no matter who wins..

soonerhubs
8/14/2011, 09:03 PM
OVER spending in itself is bad, of course. Some Federal expenditures are for authorized items, and some are not. But, you know that, don't you?

Yes sir. I'm merely saying that those who are spending us into oblivion by increasing defense spending aren't doing the country any favors.

soonerhubs
8/14/2011, 09:09 PM
Too me, the Big Government Republicans are similar to those who try to "Have the cake and eat it too."

Cutting taxes whilst increasing spending is unwise. How about a novel concept of Cutting spending?

SanJoaquinSooner
8/14/2011, 11:31 PM
Congrats to Representative Bachmann. I agree with her that the need to cut spending is paramount. Her idea of replacing foodstamps with 12-packs of corndogs is a good start. Only the most cynical would think donations from the corndog farmers influenced her decision.

http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af80/sanjoaquinsooner/bachmann-corndog-overdrive.jpg











http://www.pensitoreview.com/Wordpress/wp-content/themes/mimbo2.2/images/BachmannCorndog.jpg
How can she do that without mustard?

MR2-Sooner86
8/15/2011, 05:55 PM
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87sooner
8/15/2011, 06:16 PM
anyone here willing to put their money behind ron paul?

i would love to see a facebook revolution in this country...
show the crooks we've had enuf...

i'm starting to catch ron paul fever;)

MR2-Sooner86
8/15/2011, 06:19 PM
anyone here willing to put their money behind ron paul?

Yup I've donated and I'm going to put more down on his next money bomb.

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Our media sucks. I know, I know water is wet.

silverwheels
8/15/2011, 06:20 PM
Paul is probably not even going to get the nod, but he has gained more support in the past 4 years. If both parties continue to be inept, then hopefully more elected officials share his points of view.

87sooner
8/15/2011, 06:24 PM
Paul is probably not even going to get the nod, but he has gained more support in the past 4 years. If both parties continue to be inept, then hopefully more elected officials share his points of view.

we don't need more elected officials to share his view..
we need more voters to share his view...and vote for him...
quite voting for the ineptness that is the dem/repub parties....
they are only concerned with their parties...
they don't care that the country is going down the financial toilet...

MR2-Sooner86
8/15/2011, 06:29 PM
Paul is probably not even going to get the nod, but he has gained more support in the past 4 years. If both parties continue to be inept, then hopefully more elected officials share his points of view.

You never know. He is labeled a "libertarian" who should run 3rd party and that might be all he needs.

That's right, back in October of last year, 43% of people thought neither party was for them. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/october_2010/43_say_neither_political_party_in_congress_represe nts_the_american_people)

Now, I'm not too big on conspiracies but you have the major media ignoring him. Why? He's not part of the "good ole boys" in the Republican party.

He has a chance though. In face he has a really good chance. The only way he won't have a chance is if you're for him but sit on your *** and do nothing. His popularity has skyrocketed and he's doing much, much, much better this time around than he was last time. He has a ton of supporters that are really getting the word out there. The war this election is being fought on Facebook and by the looks of it Paul supporters are giving the Obama supporters a good run for their money from what I've seen. I haven't even seen anything from the other candidates.

SanJoaquinSooner
8/15/2011, 08:12 PM
There was speculation that today's rally on Wall Street was a Perry rally.

87sooner
8/15/2011, 08:21 PM
There was speculation that today's rally on Wall Street was a Perry rally.

you must be joking....
but then...that's either how wall st. works....or how dumb the press is...

yeah...let's all buy today just in case perry gets elected and takes office in 18 months...
unfreakinbelievable...

that's gotta be the dumbest excuse for an up day i've heard in years...

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
8/15/2011, 08:26 PM
You never know. He is labeled a "libertarian" who should run 3rd party and that might be all he needs.

that would be all he needs, to send the country into a final tailspin, giving the Obear 4 more years of Obdowngrading.

silverwheels
8/16/2011, 04:43 PM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tier?xrs=share_copy