Epic Meltdown on MSNBC

[sooner59]

I thought this was fairly entertaining. :pop:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/video-msnbc-dylan-ratigan-meltdown-over-meltdown-031046281.html

[Veritas]

Well, he's right. Focusing on which president was in term while this or the other thing happened is bull****. It's a systemic problem.

[MR2-Sooner86]

"We've got a real problem!" an exasperated Ratigan shouted. "This is a mathematical fact! Tens of trillions of dollars are being extracted from the United States of America. Democrats aren't doing it, Republicans aren't doing it. An entire integrated system, financial system, trading system, taxing system, that was created by both parties over a period of two decades is at work on our entire country right now. And we're sitting here arguing about whether we should do the $4 trillion plan that kicks the can down the road for the president for 2017, or burn the place to the ground, both of which are reckless, irresponsible, and stupid."

Try the past nine decades.

[Veritas]

Try the past nine decades.
Or the past eight, since FDR took office and promptly started giving the nation the high hard one.

[Blue]

He's right on.

Except for his dig at the right. Nobody wants to see the country fail.

[1890MilesToNorman]

He's right on.

Except for his dig at the right. Nobody wants to see the country fail.

It's a little late to fix it, some of us have been screaming for years about this crap but nobody in charge listened to us.

[XingTheRubicon]

Everything's just fine.


Sincerely,


-Gold

[Position Limit]

He's right on.

Except for his dig at the right. Nobody wants to see the country fail.

define fail. less than status quo? or should we maintain easy money on all fronts to keep this banana republic alive with the dream of more consumption. perhaps a massvie shakedown and complete implosion in which everybody feels as much pain (rich and poor) as possible is our only hope. the good news is bank of amerika is on it's way to lack of liquidity round two.

[soonercruiser]

A little bit confused about the rant....:confused:
Was he calling for Hugo Chavez, or Fidel Castro?

[Sooner_Tuf]

No, it's not Bush's fault, it's not the Tea Party, it's Obama's fault. He is the skipper of this ship. It's his responsibility and he is not standing up and dealing with it.

You can blame FDR, what does that do? It does nothing. It may be true but it is not a solution. It is Obama's job to deal with all of this. He wanted this job and promised to fix the wrongs. He does nothing but make it worse. He either hasn't a clue or he wants to destroy America.

This is all on Obama. He is our leader. End of story.

[JohnnyMack]

No, it's not Bush's fault, it's not the Tea Party, it's Obama's fault. He is the skipper of this ship. It's his responsibility and he is not standing up and dealing with it.

You can blame FDR, what does that do? It does nothing. It may be true but it is not a solution. It is Obama's job to deal with all of this. He wanted this job and promised to fix the wrongs. He does nothing but make it worse. He either hasn't a clue or he wants to destroy America.

This is all on Obama. He is our leader. End of story.

It's not Obama's fault that Washington is corrupt. It was corrupt long before he got there. However, he should, as steward of this nation, make every effort at ending the corruption and that is something he hasn't and doesn't seem willing to do. Carry on.

[Veritas]

It's not Obama's fault that Washington is corrupt. It was corrupt long before he got there. However, he should, as steward of this nation, make every effort at ending the corruption and that is something he hasn't and doesn't seem willing to do. Carry on.
You know what, you can take your evenly toned and reasonable response and shove it right up your ***! :texan:

[cccasooner2]

We're still the best system in the world; best justice system, best banking system, best market system, best soccer team, and the hottest girls gymnastics team. Yeah us!

[Chuck Bao]

We're still the best system in the world; best justice system, best banking system, best market system, best soccer team, and the hottest girls gymnastics team. Yeah us!

Well Hell fire and damnation, he could of just said that. It would have caused the rest of us a lot of unnecessary grief. Besides those positives, he was probably right, so I'll give him that.

[picasso]

He's right on.

Except for his dig at the right. Nobody wants to see the country fail.

A Communist might.

Just sayin'.

[soonercruiser]

And a pure socialist looking for anarchy as a step towards the break down of society might.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Don't know if "meltdown" is correct term but this morning on CNBC, Meredith Whitney (who had predicted massive muni defaults that never materialized) said:


"Call it Tea Party, whatever you will, the fringe element is I characterize
(as) freaked-out white men who are unemployed and have been unemployed for
three years and they're scared to death," she said. "Three to four million
of them are about to roll off unemployment benefits in the next three to
four months. This is only going to get worse."

...a few minutes later this happened:

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000038414

[AlboSooner]

The man is correct. Yay "democracy."

[The Profit]

Everything's just fine.


Sincerely,


-Gold





Just like the housing bubble and the tech bubble before it, gold will crash as well. It is artificially high.

[Lott's Bandana]

Eponymous?

[OUMallen]

No, it's not Bush's fault, it's not the Tea Party, it's Obama's fault. He is the skipper of this ship. It's his responsibility and he is not standing up and dealing with it.

You can blame FDR, what does that do? It does nothing. It may be true but it is not a solution. It is Obama's job to deal with all of this. He wanted this job and promised to fix the wrongs. He does nothing but make it worse. He either hasn't a clue or he wants to destroy America.

This is all on Obama. He is our leader. End of story.

Get some perspective man.

[OutlandTrophy]

Get some perspective man.

you get some perspective.

;)

[OUMallen]

you get some perspective.

;)

I can say your mother gave me some insight. :eek:

[OutlandTrophy]

:D

[landrun]

It's not Obama's fault that Washington is corrupt. It was corrupt long before he got there. However, he should, as steward of this nation, make every effort at ending the corruption and that is something he hasn't and doesn't seem willing to do. Carry on.

That's because Obama is a big part of the corruption.

[Turd_Ferguson]

That's because Obama is a big part of the corruption.Racist...

[Frozen Sooner]

Don't know if "meltdown" is correct term but this morning on CNBC, Meredith Whitney (who had predicted massive muni defaults that never materialized)

It may not be what she predicted, but the Birmingham city council met tonight to discuss bankruptcy. It would be the largest municipal default in U.S. history.

[GKeeper316]

No, it's not Bush's fault, it's not the Tea Party, it's Obama's fault. He is the skipper of this ship. It's his responsibility and he is not standing up and dealing with it.

You can blame FDR, what does that do? It does nothing. It may be true but it is not a solution. It is Obama's job to deal with all of this. He wanted this job and promised to fix the wrongs. He does nothing but make it worse. He either hasn't a clue or he wants to destroy America.

This is all on Obama. He is our leader. End of story.

tell you what...

go get one of your mom's best plates from her good sunday china. take it outside into the street. drop it on the pavement. now fix it back as good as it was before.

which one will take longer? breaking it or fixing it?

general rule of thumb is that it takes longer to fix stuff than to break it, whether its a plate or a financial system. it took us about 30 years to break our financial system.

[Sooner_Tuf]

tell you what...

go get one of your mom's best plates from her good sunday china. take it outside into the street. drop it on the pavement. now fix it back as good as it was before.

which one will take longer? breaking it or fixing it?

general rule of thumb is that it takes longer to fix stuff than to break it, whether its a plate or a financial system. it took us about 30 years to break our financial system.

I get where you are coming from but most people don't live with their parents unless they are "special".

Your analogy may be the stupidest thing I have ever read. So you got that going for you.

[pphilfran]

tell you what...

go get one of your mom's best plates from her good sunday china. take it outside into the street. drop it on the pavement. now fix it back as good as it was before.

which one will take longer? breaking it or fixing it?

general rule of thumb is that it takes longer to fix stuff than to break it, whether its a plate or a financial system. it took us about 30 years to break our financial system.

What did Obama promise us when talking about the economy?

Has he made good on his promises?

And don't try to tell me they didn't know how bad the economy was...they have spouted "Worst recession since the Depression!" since day one...

[Curly Bill]

If it takes longer to fix something than to break it, and it took 30 years to break our financial system, than I guess it'll take what 40 or 50 years to fix it??? That's just freaking great, I may not be around to see it! On the plus side I guess it means there's no chance Brack will fix it, so I won't have to see him get credit for doing something good. :D

[pphilfran]

The water pump on one of my work trucks just went out...it took 150k miles to break it....it will be fixed this afternoon...

[GKeeper316]

I get where you are coming from but most people don't live with their parents unless they are "special".

Your analogy may be the stupidest thing I have ever read. So you got that going for you.

since you lay all the blame on obama's feet, i just assumed you were a retard living in your mother's basement. i apologize if that was an incorrect assumption.

but if you can honestly say that you expected it all to be fixed in the 2 years since obama took office, then you're at least as retarded as i assumed.

[Curly Bill]

since you lay all the blame on obama's feet, i just assumed you were a retard living in your mother's basement. i apologize if that was an incorrect assumption.

but if you can honestly say that you expected it all to be fixed in the 2 years since obama took office, then you're at least as retarded as i assumed.

Was it too much to expect that things wouldn't be made ginormously worse?

[GKeeper316]

The water pump on one of my work trucks just went out...it took 150k miles to break it....it will be fixed this afternoon...

no it took a split second for it to break. it was working just fine before it was broken, correct?

so it worked just fine for 150k miles, and then it broke. and it'll take at least 3-4 hours to replace a water pump... and you're replacing it, not repairing the broken unit, i'll bet. so your analogy is ****. go get a new one.

[GKeeper316]

Was it too much to expect that things wouldn't be made ginormously worse?

the only way to make it better won't happen because the republicans like the status quo. as long as commercial banks are allowed to loan your money to investment banks and then leverage your debt, it will never improve.

[pphilfran]

no it took a split second for it to break. it was working just fine before it was broken, correct?

so it worked just fine for 150k miles, and then it broke. and it'll take at least 3-4 hours to replace a water pump... and you're replacing it, not repairing the broken unit, i'll bet. so your analogy is ****. go get a new one.

The economy was just fine and had chugged along for a number of years...and then all at once the system broke down....kinda like the water pump...

Hell, I know it is going to take time...to be honest, it is easy to understand why it is so difficult to resolve...

But our leader made promises...he has failed to keep them...who's fault is it that Obama bit off more than he could chew when making his promises?

[Curly Bill]

the only way to make it better won't happen because the republicans like the status quo. as long as commercial banks are allowed to loan your money to investment banks and then leverage your debt, it will never improve.

I know right? Damn republicans like an economy that's in the dumper! Just imagine if the donks had control of the presidency and both houses of congress, they coulda fixed that. Oh...they did have contol of all that and didn't fix things up?

Well, at least we still have a president that has well thought out plans to fix things. ;)

[Curly Bill]

The economy was just fine and had chugged along for a number of years...and then all at once the system broke down....kinda like the water pump...

Hell, I know it is going to take time...to be honest, it is easy to understand why it is so difficult to resolve...

But our leader made promises...he has failed to keep them...who's fault is it that Obama bit off more than he could chew when making his promises?



Come on, that's not exactly fair, the guy had never had a real job before so how could he know? Hell, I remember being 14 and thinking I was gonna play in the NBA.

[pphilfran]

The sewer line under my slab is broke all to hell...

The plumber told me that it was the worst break he has ever seen...and he has been in the business for 30 years...

He quoted 5 grand and 2 weeks to get the job done...

I agreed...

After two weeks he tells me that it will take another 5 grand and an addition 2 weeks to complete...

I told him he was a fine man and to continue with his good work...

[GKeeper316]

The economy was just fine and had chugged along for a number of years...and then all at once the system broke down....kinda like the water pump...

Hell, I know it is going to take time...to be honest, it is easy to understand why it is so difficult to resolve...

But our leader made promises...he has failed to keep them...who's fault is it that Obama bit off more than he could chew when making his promises?

i'll give you he made promises he couldn't live up to, but so did mccain and palin when they were running. its politics. making promises you can't keep is how you get elected.

has something altered in the last 20-30 years that would alter that paradigm?

[pphilfran]

We are not talking about Palin...we are not talking about McCain...

Why are you fine with the lack of integrity in the political system? You think the lack of integrity might be some of our troubles in DC?

[Chuck Bao]

tell you what...

go get one of your mom's best plates from her good sunday china. take it outside into the street. drop it on the pavement. now fix it back as good as it was before.

which one will take longer? breaking it or fixing it?

general rule of thumb is that it takes longer to fix stuff than to break it, whether its a plate or a financial system. it took us about 30 years to break our financial system.

That's a very good and fitting analogy, in my opinion. Spek.

Anyone want to deny that Americans have been trying to live beyond our means for 30+ years?

Washington politicians and Wall Street and mass communication have been our main enablers to feed our ever increasing demand for the "Good Life". But perpetuation of the false god of "Prosperity Forever" was being even promoted by our states, our municipalities and our local communities, including our schools and places of worship who tried to outdo each other as a shrine to the "Good Life" and "The American Way".

We need to take a very hard look in the mirror before starting to lay blame on Washington, President Obama, President Bush and others. Our leadership did in fact fail us when we needed some of that "Tough Love". But, I don't think that they would have been our leaders for very long if they'd tried that approach or even tried to warn us that our labor would be so quickly discounted by overseas competition.

Our major corporations all knew that but they weren't about to say so or it would affect their bonus if they'd dare mention that they were very busy shipping jobs overseas. Some politicians, to their credit, knew that and yet they were branded as flakes...ahem Ron Paul.

Back to the present and GKeepers analogy, we are gonna have to take our *** beating and quite badly for about 10 years for breaking momma's favorite Sunday China. Trust me here, it won't take longer to fix. But, it is gonna be pretty painful.

[Curly Bill]

I insist it's gonna take longer to fix than 10 years, cause it takes longer to fix something than to break it. I read that somewhere...

[Chuck Bao]

I insist it's gonna take longer to fix than 10 years, cause it takes longer to fix something than to break it. I read that somewhere...

I am gonna have to spek you here because you are probably right, Mr. Curly Bill.

It really all depends on how soon we realize our addiction to debt and the fact that our current political system is built on it. And, I am not talking purely about fiscal debt.

If our politicians keep trying to delay the inevitable, then it could take more than 10 years.

[Sooner_Tuf]

The fact is he is our President. It is his job to lead. He is not leading. We are not prospering.

How hard is that to understand. When you are the boss it is your job to perform, if you don't you are failing.

President Obama is failing. "Yes we can" my ***.

[Sooner_Tuf]

That's a very good and fitting analogy, in my opinion. Spek.



It would be a good analogy if I told everyone I was great at china repair and would fix that plate right up. What if I spent a trillion dollars and all I had accomplished was to break the plate into even more pieces than before.

It's not a great analogy because it attempts to lay blame with someone else. He wanted the job, he got the job, but he's not doing the job he promised.

[GKeeper316]

It would be a good analogy if I told everyone I was great at china repair and would fix that plate right up. What if I spent a trillion dollars and all I had accomplished was to break the plate into even more pieces than before.

It's not a great analogy because it attempts to lay blame with someone else. He wanted the job, he got the job, but he's not doing the job he promised as fast as I think it should be done.

fixt.

rome wasnt built in a day. it will take longer than the remainder of this term and the 4 years after it to repair the damage thats been done, if it even can be repaired.

i don't think it can with the current political climate. too many unreal expectations. american voters are starting to remind me of unmarried women, convinced some white knight on a horse is gonna come along and make everything perfect for them.

[GrapevineSooner]

fixt.

rome wasnt built in a day. it will take longer than the remainder of this term and the 4 years after it to repair the damage thats been done, if it even can be repaired.

i don't think it can with the current political climate. too many unreal expectations. american voters are starting to remind me of unmarried women, convinced some white knight on a horse is gonna come along and make everything perfect for them.

In other words, America needs to put down those trashy romance novels? ;)

Excellent points, BTW.

[Curly Bill]

I don't expect anyone to come along and rescue us. I think we've crested the hill and are now coasting downhill. It's happened to every other great nation/empire, it was bound to happen to us too. Fortunately it's a long process so we'll all be long gone when we reach the end so to speak. Rome wasn't built in a day, it didn't die in a day - same with the USofA.

[achiro]

tell you what...

go get one of your mom's best plates from her good sunday china. take it outside into the street. drop it on the pavement. now fix it back as good as it was before.

which one will take longer? breaking it or fixing it?

general rule of thumb is that it takes longer to fix stuff than to break it, whether its a plate or a financial system. it took us about 30 years to break our financial system.

The problem is, Obama hasn't even walked into the house to get the superglue.

[Curly Bill]

The problem is, Obama hasn't even walked into the house to get the superglue.

LOL :D

All part of his plan so he can blame the Republicans for not getting it first.

[GKeeper316]

The problem is, Obama hasn't even walked into the house to get the superglue.

i'll admit it... i lold.

[Chuck Bao]

LOL :D

All part of his plan so he can blame the Republicans for not getting it first.

Well, I am not gonna be loving on you, anymore.

[Chuck Bao]

It would be a good analogy if I told everyone I was great at china repair and would fix that plate right up. What if I spent a trillion dollars and all I had accomplished was to break the plate into even more pieces than before.

It's not a great analogy because it attempts to lay blame with someone else. He wanted the job, he got the job, but he's not doing the job he promised.

No, I would guess that you are the dude with the very poor concept of reality here and just want to lay blame on someone else.

If you were a politician, then at least you'd have a ready excuse. But whatev.

[Curly Bill]

Well, I am not gonna be loving on you, anymore.


:(

[Sooner_Tuf]

No, I would guess that you are the dude with the very poor concept of reality here and just want to lay blame on someone else.

If you were a politician, then at least you'd have a ready excuse. But whatev.

No I do live in reality. I write checks, I meet payroll, I pay taxes, I function in this Country. You are not really a good one to be questioning someone's concept of reality in America. I have and continue to meet my obligations and be responsible for those things I have taken on and am supposed to be responsible for.

I am not looking for anyone to lay blame on but if I were ultimately it is the HMFIC. It is his job, it didn't fall from the sky. He wanted the job. He got the job and has not done anything positive with it.

Your expectations for the man were to just land the job? War over? You are just happy he won and now that has happened he doesn't need to lead?

"I'm just happy my guy got in there and I'm satisfied with whatever he does cause he's my guy".

I thought you were smarter than that.