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SicEmBaylor
8/3/2011, 09:08 PM
None of us like Obama.

MOST but not all of the people on the SO seem to agree that Obama sucks.

Those who don't are not going to have their minds changed by your sloganeering and copy/paste jobs from newsmax.

It may save you precious minutes of your lives to just continue the anti-Obama discussion on one of the existing 1,000 threads on the subject.

This thread is not an invitation to further discuss Obama and how much he sucks.

Thank you for your time.
-SicEm

tommieharris91
8/3/2011, 09:10 PM
Most actual liberals don't like Obama either. We find him to be too conservative.

okie52
8/3/2011, 09:19 PM
Most actual liberals don't like Obama either. We find him to be too conservative.

Based on his campaign promises I understand your disappointment.

Memtig14
8/3/2011, 09:22 PM
Most actual liberals don't like Obama either. We find him to be too conservative.

Osama.........is that you?

Caboose
8/3/2011, 09:23 PM
Most actual liberals don't like Obama either. We find him to be too conservative.

Probably more that you are weary of trying to defend his constant incompetence, ignorance, and unmitigated arrogance... but sure, we can go with "too conservative" if that makes you feel better about electing the worst president in memory.

delhalew
8/3/2011, 09:24 PM
I'm basically in-walk around with both middle fingers prominently displayed-mode anyway. I won't be trying to convince anyone of anything, save that everyone can **** smooth off.

olevetonahill
8/3/2011, 09:26 PM
None of us like Obama.

MOST but not all of the people on the SO seem to agree that Obama sucks.

Those who don't are not going to have their minds changed by your sloganeering and copy/paste jobs from newsmax.

It may save you precious minutes of your lives to just continue the anti-Obama discussion on one of the existing 1,000 threads on the subject.

This thread is not an invitation to further discuss Obama and how much he sucks.

Thank you for your time.
-SicEm

**** off dip ****, yer not the boss of me.:pop:

soonercruiser
8/3/2011, 09:28 PM
Great idea!

Let's open a thread on the subject. :D
(Beats reading though maaaaaaaaannnnny pages of the past discussion in previous pages, in order to fit into the discussion, or make sense of it.)
Just sayin'....

Didn't know we were killing trees with keystrokes.

But, seriously, I do understand your "drift".

okie52
8/3/2011, 09:28 PM
"This was not an invitation to further discuss how much Obama sucks".

Curly Bill
8/3/2011, 09:31 PM
**** off dip ****, yer not the boss of me.:pop:

What this guy said! :D

...and Vet, I gave ya spek for that. ;)

tommieharris91
8/3/2011, 09:39 PM
Osama.........is that you?

Nope.

Come on man. Maybe I should start posting chain e-mails about how he extended the Bush tax cuts, kept the Patriot Act, put our military in new places it doesn't belong, passed a healthcare system that was championed by the Heritage Foundation, kowtows to very large investment banks, and now decided to cut the size of the government at the time liberals think it needs to be expanded because he gave the Tea Party almost everything they wanted. He even thinks the economy is just fine, even though everyone in our government just pushed it off the cliff. If that's liberal, I shudder to think about how far to the left places like Finland and Norway are.

I'd call him a DINO, but the Democrats took a major rightward shift in the past month.

tommieharris91
8/3/2011, 09:41 PM
"This was not an invitation to further discuss how much Obama sucks".

I'm not a fellow conservative though.

soonercruiser
8/3/2011, 09:43 PM
"This was not an invitation to further discuss how much Obama sucks".

Good Point Okie!
I agree.
:D

BU BEAR
8/3/2011, 09:48 PM
I will have my cognitive dissonance any way I like.

okie52
8/3/2011, 09:54 PM
I'm not a fellow conservative though.

Exempt?

Have at him.

MamaMia
8/3/2011, 09:55 PM
None of us like Obama.

MOST but not all of the people on the SO seem to agree that Obama sucks.

Those who don't are not going to have their minds changed by your sloganeering and copy/paste jobs from newsmax.

It may save you precious minutes of your lives to just continue the anti-Obama discussion on one of the existing 1,000 threads on the subject.

This thread is not an invitation to further discuss Obama and how much he sucks.

Thank you for your time.
-SicEmFor a conservative, you sure have a way of spitting in the face of free speech. Shame on ya. :D

Obama sucks! So there. :P

SoonerNate
8/3/2011, 10:00 PM
None of us like Obama.

MOST but not all of the people on the SO seem to agree that Obama sucks.

Those who don't are not going to have their minds changed by your sloganeering and copy/paste jobs from newsmax.

It may save you precious minutes of your lives to just continue the anti-Obama discussion on one of the existing 1,000 threads on the subject.

This thread is not an invitation to further discuss Obama and how much he sucks.

Thank you for your time.
-SicEm

When you get your own message board you can make the rules. Just saying.

soonercruiser
8/3/2011, 10:13 PM
For a conservative, you sure have a way of spitting in the face of free speech. Shame on ya. :D

Obama sucks! So there. :P

A conservative mole??
That would be a new party!

soonercruiser
8/3/2011, 10:24 PM
SicEm,
The though just occurred to me.....Any chance you're taking instructions from "da man"? :rolleyes:

(Please answer in a new political thread)
:D

diverdog
8/3/2011, 10:44 PM
You guys kill me. You bitch and moan about Obama and you guys live in a welfare queen of a state. How do you square with this fact:


. Government
Government led all sectors in the state's economy. Government contributed $23 billion in economic development in 2008, that's 15.7% of the total economic output of Oklahoma.



Oklahoma gets a $1.32 for every tax dollar it sends to the federal government. If the cuts that the tea baggers want on this board happen then Oklahoma is going to be in for a rude awakening.

olevetonahill
8/3/2011, 10:56 PM
What this guy said! :D

...and Vet, I gave ya spek for that. ;)

Wish I could see.:D ;)

GrapevineSooner
8/3/2011, 10:57 PM
I square that by pointing out I don't live in Oklahoma, nor do I work in a public industry.

diverdog
8/3/2011, 11:04 PM
I square that by pointing out I don't live in Oklahoma, nor do I work in a public industry.

Texas is a little better except:


The government accounted for nearly 11% of the economic output with a contribution of $130 billion.

ouwasp
8/3/2011, 11:06 PM
I scared/surprised myself about a yr ago when I caught myself wishing Hillary had gotten the demo nomination! I think she would have been a competent POTUS.

Hey, at least BHO favors a college football playoff. :)

SicEmBaylor
8/3/2011, 11:37 PM
I scared/surprised myself about a yr ago when I caught myself wishing Hillary had gotten the demo nomination! I think she would have been a competent POTUS.

Hey, at least BHO favors a college football playoff. :)

Reason enough to hate him. BCS>Playoffs

Veritas
8/3/2011, 11:40 PM
...kept the Patriot Act, put our military in new places it doesn't belong, passed a healthcare system that was championed by the Heritage Foundation, kowtows to very large investment banks
Those aren't moves actual conservatives are fans of.

SicEmBaylor
8/3/2011, 11:47 PM
Those aren't moves actual conservatives are fans of.

This ^^^^^^^

Curly Bill
8/3/2011, 11:57 PM
Me too^^^^

MamaMia
8/4/2011, 01:07 AM
You guys kill me. You bitch and moan about Obama and you guys live in a welfare queen of a state. How do you square with this fact:



Oklahoma gets a $1.32 for every tax dollar it sends to the federal government. If the cuts that the tea baggers want on this board happen then Oklahoma is going to be in for a rude awakening.How much money per dollar do the other states get. :pop:

GKeeper316
8/4/2011, 01:17 AM
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StoopTroup
8/4/2011, 01:20 AM
None of us like Obama.

MOST but not all of the people on the SO seem to agree that Obama sucks.

Those who don't are not going to have their minds changed by your sloganeering and copy/paste jobs from newsmax.

It may save you precious minutes of your lives to just continue the anti-Obama discussion on one of the existing 1,000 threads on the subject.

This thread is not an invitation to further discuss Obama and how much he sucks.

Thank you for your time.
-SicEm

I don't care who ya are or who you are for but the **** that we read has no proof or anyway to be tracked down like good journalists used to at least try to do instead of print the Daily Retractions....it isn't news...it's spam.

That's all most all of the Political Threads on this board is...SPAM.

Always has...probably always will be until the Folks that post it stop or are just banned for it.

Our County being completely divided hasn't helped in anyway. Those that think it has are more likely to be sucked into a One-Party Tyrannical ***-****ing of the American Way of Life.

Nobody has gotten along in nearly two decades now.

It's pretty sad.

Curly Bill
8/4/2011, 01:30 AM
:confused:

OutlandTrophy
8/4/2011, 02:26 AM
I like lollipops, butterflies, pinwheels, the sleeper hold, the walkoff homerun and skittles.

diverdog
8/4/2011, 06:42 AM
How much money per dollar do the other states get. :pop:

On the whole red states are supported by blue states. Meaning a lot but not all red states get more than a dollar back vs what they paid in taxes. Most blue states get less than a dollar back for what they paid. For instance Delaware gets back .77 cents on the dollar.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/national/article_fe4108c4-803d-5e07-9d60-e833f2f70ea1.html

jk the sooner fan
8/4/2011, 07:01 AM
i'm loathe to ever take political advice of any kind from Sic'em

lexsooner
8/4/2011, 07:16 AM
You guys kill me. You bitch and moan about Obama and you guys live in a welfare queen of a state. How do you square with this fact:



Oklahoma gets a $1.32 for every tax dollar it sends to the federal government. If the cuts that the tea baggers want on this board happen then Oklahoma is going to be in for a rude awakening.

Because many red state folks deceive themselves into thinking only big city ghetto dwellers live off the dole and the red states are full of proud, hard-working folks who are just down on their luck, sort of like the Joad family in The Grapes of Wrath.

Caboose
8/4/2011, 07:24 AM
You guys kill me. You bitch and moan about Obama and you guys live in a welfare queen of a state. How do you square with this fact:



Oklahoma gets a $1.32 for every tax dollar it sends to the federal government. If the cuts that the tea baggers want on this board happen then Oklahoma is going to be in for a rude awakening.

Maybe they are fully aware of that and want the cuts to happen anyway because they hold their positions based on moral principle instead of "how can I use the government as a tool to take money from someone else and give it myself?" like Democrat voters do.

I know it is hard for left-leaning folks to fathom, but some people actual believe in the rule of law and want it applied equally to all citizens.

TUSooner
8/4/2011, 07:28 AM
Because many red state folks deceive themselves into thinking only big city ghetto dwellers live off the dole and the red states are full of proud, hard-working folks who are just down on their luck, sort of like the Joad family in The Grapes of Wrath.

This^^^^^^^

Plus there's a detectable element of "I got mine by my virtue and diligence alone. If you were as virtuous and hard-working as I am, and lived just like I do, then you'd have yours, too. But until then, ****-off, dip****!"

REDREX
8/4/2011, 08:12 AM
On the whole red states are supported by blue states. Meaning a lot but not all red states get more than a dollar back vs what they paid in taxes. Most blue states get less than a dollar back for what they paid. For instance Delaware gets back .77 cents on the dollar.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/national/article_fe4108c4-803d-5e07-9d60-e833f2f70ea1.html--- Delaware---Home of the BLUE HENS

Soonerfan88
8/4/2011, 09:01 AM
I'm not surprised Oklahoma gets more than they pay using this system of accounting. Like most statistics, you have to look at the process by which they were obtained. Here, two different agencies are calculating numbers in very different manners and comparing them against each other.

The IRS adds up the total amount of taxes paid by each state, including corporate. How do the corporations of Oklahoma and Delaware compare?

Also, from the article link: However, federal spending for Washington is inflated because many federal employees who work in the city live in Virginia or Maryland. The census counts federal salaries where they are paid, not where those receiving them live.

I'm assuming this includes military pay as federal. I know many Oklahomans are in the military but there are also four military installations in the state. How do the taxes of those claiming Oklahoma residence compare against those nonresidents who are stationed in Oklahoma and how does the census define them? Since government contracts are also included in the census numbers, those four installations add a lot more to the state's return dollars. Add in the FAA training center and Okies are really pulling in some gov't dollars.

Overall, I don't put much credit in this report because there are too many ways to skew the data. Yes, Oklahoma will be hurt by budget cuts but it will hurt less in the long run than continuing the current spending binge which will turn the USA into Greece.

saucysoonergal
8/4/2011, 09:04 AM
I hate to say this, but I agree with SicEm. ;)

NormanPride
8/4/2011, 09:17 AM
I get the general feeling that OK would be just fine without that extra 30 cents on the dollar. We tend to take care of our own when bad times hit.

TUSooner
8/4/2011, 09:36 AM
I hate to say this, but I agree with SicEm. ;)

I still haven't figured out exactly what this thread IS about, only what it's NOT supposed to about. :confused:

Mississippi Sooner
8/4/2011, 09:45 AM
I still haven't figured out exactly what this thread IS about, only what it's NOT supposed to about. :confused:

More importantly, has it been resolved yet?

Sooner5030
8/4/2011, 09:58 AM
On the whole red states are supported by blue states. Meaning a lot but not all red states get more than a dollar back vs what they paid in taxes. Most blue states get less than a dollar back for what they paid. For instance Delaware gets back .77 cents on the dollar.

sweet analysis.....too bad almost every measurable indicator has reversed since 2005 though. Maybe you should see what has changed since then? Although the progressive tax system (which disregards cost of living) would always distort the analysis.

3rdgensooner
8/4/2011, 10:11 AM
This seems as good a place as any to drop this off


http://chzdailywhat.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/224c5a35-01ec-4e34-a135-099a0b85add5.jpg

GrapevineSooner
8/4/2011, 10:35 AM
Maybe they are fully aware of that and want the cuts to happen anyway because they hold their positions based on moral principle instead of "how can I use the government as a tool to take money from someone else and give it myself?" like Democrat voters do.

I know it is hard for left-leaning folks to fathom, but some people actual believe in the rule of law and want it applied equally to all citizens.

Or from a purely pragmatic position, we realize we can't keep doubling the amount of spending by government every 10 years (like we have the last 10 years). Just like with Social Security about to pay out more than we can take in, we can't ignore these problems forever. There has to be a breaking point. And it won't be pretty once we reach that point.

And labeling those who think we need to reverse the trend as 'terrorists' doesn't help, Mr. Vice President.

diegosooner
8/4/2011, 10:44 AM
sweet analysis.....too bad almost every measurable indicator has reversed since 2005 though. Maybe you should see what has changed since then? Although the progressive tax system (which disregards cost of living) would always distort the analysis.

I don't find your link.

tommieharris91
8/4/2011, 10:51 AM
I don't find your link.

http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/20110806_WOM959_0.gif

If anything, this should show that there is very little correlation between red state/blue state and giver/taker state.

soonercruiser
8/4/2011, 10:59 AM
You guys kill me. You bitch and moan about Obama and you guys live in a welfare queen of a state. How do you square with this fact:

Oklahoma gets a $1.32 for every tax dollar it sends to the federal government. If the cuts that the tea baggers want on this board happen then Oklahoma is going to be in for a rude awakening.

WAAAAAAAAAAH!
Don't change the subject DD!
Let us conservatives fight it out to the death!
:D

Sooner5030
8/4/2011, 11:00 AM
I don't find your link.

just look at the changes in UE

2007 (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/srgune_02292008.pdf) examples: Delaware 3.4, California 5.4, and Okie at 4.3

2011 (http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm) examples: Delaware 8.0, California 11.8, and Okie at 5.3

soonercruiser
8/4/2011, 11:13 AM
I don't care who ya are or who you are for but the **** that we read has no proof or anyway to be tracked down like good journalists used to at least try to do instead of print the Daily Retractions....it isn't news...it's spam.

That's all most all of the Political Threads on this board is...SPAM.

Always has...probably always will be until the Folks that post it stop or are just banned for it.

Our County being completely divided hasn't helped in anyway. Those that think it has are more likely to be sucked into a One-Party Tyrannical ***-****ing of the American Way of Life.

Nobody has gotten along in nearly two decades now.

It's pretty sad.

Stoop,
First of all, we conservatives were just having a little fun (if you read the first page of posts). A little fun seems to always occur on this forum, even at the poster's/namesake expense. No big deal is made of that.
Why is it that only "some" get verbally kicked around for posting on a thread where the posters think they are talking privately on the phone to each other? :O

Secondly, I am sure that the libs on the forum would love for us to let the socialists run free....as they did for years when kicking Booosh around. We have no intent of letting the short memory span readers on the forum forget about the destruction of the Republic that is taking place now:rolleyes: .
We aim to save the Republic, as we knew America!

3rdgensooner
8/4/2011, 11:15 AM
Secondly, I am sure that the libs on the forum would love for us to let the socialists run free....as they did for years when kicking Booosh around. We have no intent of letting the short memory span readers on the forum forget about the destruction of the Republic that is taking place now:rolleyes: .
We aim to save the Republic, as we knew America!...
None of us like Obama.

MOST but not all of the people on the SO seem to agree that Obama sucks.

Those who don't are not going to have their minds changed by your sloganeering and copy/paste jobs from newsmax.

It may save you precious minutes of your lives to just continue the anti-Obama discussion on one of the existing 1,000 threads on the subject.

This thread is not an invitation to further discuss Obama and how much he sucks.

Thank you for your time.
-SicEm

soonercruiser
8/4/2011, 11:17 AM
This seems as good a place as any to drop this off

http://chzdailywhat.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/224c5a35-01ec-4e34-a135-099a0b85add5.jpg

I'm dizzy! If I see one more flow chart this week, I'm gonna puke!

I could have sworn that we "conservatives" were beating each other up in the beginning. :confused:

yermom
8/4/2011, 11:18 AM
Stoop,
First of all, we conservatives were just having a little fun (if you read the first page of posts). A little fun seems to always occur on this forum, even at the poster's/namesake expense. No big deal is made of that.
Why is it that only "some" get verbally kicked around for posting on a thread where the posters think they are talking privately on the phone to each other? :O

Secondly, I am sure that the libs on the forum would love for us to let the socialists run free....as they did for years when kicking Booosh around. We have no intent of letting the short memory span readers on the forum forget about the destruction of the Republic that is taking place now:rolleyes: .
We aim to save the Republic, as we knew America!

who's troll is this? :D

badger
8/4/2011, 11:49 AM
Obama is stuck in almost the same situation Bush is.

He is too middle-ground to relate to his party's base, who have declared him too conservative.

He has declared himself a Democrat, therefore the Republicans are against him on party name only and cannot believe it when they hear Democrats refer to him as "acting like a Republican" (it's been said to me and I was surprised too).

With silly statements from politicians like former Illinois Gov. Blago and the Clintons questioning Obama's race, including Blago saying he was "blacker than Obama" and the former President Clinton proclaimed to be the "first black president," some people may no longer see him as a pioneer.

With weird things like the beer summit, filling out basketball brackets on ESPN and thinking about attending the Super Bowl for his stupid Chicago Bears, people seem to be taking him less as a president and leader of the free world, and more as an average joe that happens to be in Oval Office.

When considering his legacy from his four years in office, will it just be that he got elected despite his African father? For the first two years of his term, there was one major piece of legislation that got through, Obamacare. It was so unpopular that there was a major shift back to Republicans in the House in the 2010 election, and nearly a shift in the Senate.

Or will his legacy be the BP oil spill that was called "Obama's Katrina" because it also devastated the Gulf and had a slow recovery and response time?

Whether his legacy is his election, his Obamacare or his dealing with BP... it likely won't be enough to get re-elected at this point. He will always be remembered as the first minority president. But it's kind of sad that he won't be remembered for much else of significance.

SicEmBaylor
8/4/2011, 11:58 AM
I still haven't figured out exactly what this thread IS about, only what it's NOT supposed to about. :confused:

Allow me to clarify: It's an attempt to stop some people from starting 1000 threads on the exact same or very similar subjects especially when the "point" being made is some idiotic cut-paste job from a less than credible right-wing news source (and I don't mean Fox News...think less credible than that).


I'm loathe to ever take political advice of any kind from Sic'em

One of your many faults.


I hate to say this, but I agree with SicEm. ;)

In your heart, you know I'm right.


Secondly, I am sure that the libs on the forum would love for us to let the socialists run free....as they did for years when kicking Booosh around. We have no intent of letting the short memory span readers on the forum forget about the destruction of the Republic that is taking place now .
We aim to save the Republic, as we knew America!

You are highly delusional. The Republic was destroyed a long long long time ago, and I'm not talking back in 2008. It has nothing to do with Obama.

Secondly, your points rarely have any real merit. For example, you lament the fact that "Booosh" was "kicked around" by the socialists. Using whatever definition you've come up with to assign someone the title of socialist, I'm sure Bush would have fit that definition as well. The economic, domestic, and foreign policies of Bush and Obama are virtually identical in principle -- they're only different in measure or degree. But I don't want to get on an anti-Obama or anti-Bush rant -- that was strictly prohibited in my OP!

49r
8/4/2011, 12:22 PM
Heh, "dickfinity". :D

Bourbon St Sooner
8/4/2011, 12:44 PM
Obama kicked me on the garbanzos and sang Lady Gaga songs off-key while I was down and unable to defend myself. Is this where I come to complain?

jk the sooner fan
8/4/2011, 12:58 PM
One of your many faults.


and somehow i'm ok with that

soonercruiser
8/4/2011, 01:05 PM
Troll? Whatever....! :rolleyes:

At least we didn't necessarily destroy any political party with the discussion.

saucysoonergal
8/4/2011, 01:07 PM
http://www.dollymix.tv/TROLL-BANK-GR1.jpg

soonercruiser
8/4/2011, 01:28 PM
http://www.dollymix.tv/TROLL-BANK-GR1.jpg

Streeker Troll!!
:eek:

Reminds me of my college roommate.
We called him "world"!
He could take a shower, and never get his legs wet!

yermom
8/4/2011, 01:34 PM
Troll? Whatever....! :rolleyes:

At least we didn't necessarily destroy any political party with the discussion.

you seem to lament the old days of the board yet you registered in 2010?

SoonerNate
8/4/2011, 01:43 PM
Because many red state folks deceive themselves into thinking only big city ghetto dwellers live off the dole and the red states are full of proud, hard-working folks who are just down on their luck, sort of like the Joad family in The Grapes of Wrath.

True and when I was up I saw countless convenient stores with signs that read WE ACCEPT EBT.

What's funny is that many of these folks that get welfare still think they are Republicans because Kelly Ogle told them so.

soonercruiser
8/4/2011, 01:45 PM
you seem to lament the old days of the board yet you registered in 2010?

????????????
:confused:

yermom
8/4/2011, 01:50 PM
Stoop,
First of all, we conservatives were just having a little fun (if you read the first page of posts). A little fun seems to always occur on this forum, even at the poster's/namesake expense. No big deal is made of that.
Why is it that only "some" get verbally kicked around for posting on a thread where the posters think they are talking privately on the phone to each other? :O

Secondly, I am sure that the libs on the forum would love for us to let the socialists run free....as they did for years when kicking Booosh around. We have no intent of letting the short memory span readers on the forum forget about the destruction of the Republic that is taking place now:rolleyes: .
We aim to save the Republic, as we knew America!

were you here or are you just making things up?

pphilfran
8/4/2011, 01:59 PM
were you here or are you just making things up?

He is just lumping his time on OUI with his time here...

The Profit
8/4/2011, 02:24 PM
He is just lumping his time on OUI with his time here...




Someday, he will not be here. Instead, he'll be a resident at the hospital in Norman or at Fort Supply.

saucysoonergal
8/4/2011, 02:28 PM
Someday, he will not be here. Instead, he'll be a resident at the hospital in Norman or at Fort Supply.

Don't forget Vinita! ;)

booomer
8/4/2011, 03:05 PM
This seems as good a place as any to drop this off


http://chzdailywhat.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/224c5a35-01ec-4e34-a135-099a0b85add5.jpg


Heh. I have, however, seen some go straight from Level 1 to Level 5.

diverdog
8/4/2011, 07:59 PM
just look at the changes in UE

2007 (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/srgune_02292008.pdf) examples: Delaware 3.4, California 5.4, and Okie at 4.3

2011 (http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm) examples: Delaware 8.0, California 11.8, and Okie at 5.3

Both Delaware and California send more money out then they get back from the fed. In fact, California would be in far better shape if the got a dollar for a dollar back.


The UE rate for Delaware is the result of a huge housing boom that went south. Overall the state is in good shape. California has its own issues.
http://www.visualeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/tax.jpg

Sooner5030
8/4/2011, 08:04 PM
Both Delaware and California send more money out then they get back from the fed. In fact, California would be in far better shape if the got a dollar for a dollar back.

At least I included links so you could see the dates and investigate for yourself.

Also, those individual payouts are based on entitlement criteria and we have a progressive tax system that burns the folks in high cost of living areas. As far as discretionary spending go talk to your congressperson.

At best your numbers above are from a foundation that somehow calculated SOME 2009 numbers. At least I provided .GOV links.

diverdog
8/4/2011, 08:22 PM
At least I included links so you could see the dates and investigate for yourself.

Also, those individual payouts are based on entitlement criteria and we have a progressive tax system that burns the folks in high cost of living areas. As far as discretionary spending go talk to your congressperson.

At best your numbers above are from a foundation that somehow calculated SOME 2009 numbers. At least I provided .GOV links.

Well I apologize for not providing a link because the tax foundation site is being updated. They are a highly respected think tank and have been around for 80 years.

Things have not changed much in 6 years. The fact is states like Mississippi, Arkansas, Alabama and others that are the most conservative staes get fat sucking of the government tit. All I am saying is that many of these states including Oklahoma will get crushed if the federal budget cuts they want goes through. Your taxes will go up.

In fairness since Senator Coburn has been elected a lot less federal pork flows to Oklahoma.

Sooner5030
8/4/2011, 08:29 PM
Well I apologize for not providing a link because the tax foundation site is being updated. They are a highly respected think tank and have been around for 80 years.

Things have not changed much in 6 years. The fact is states like Mississippi, Arkansas, Alabama and others that are the most conservative staes get fat sucking of the government tit. All I am saying is that many of these states including Oklahoma will get crushed if the federal budget cuts they want goes through. Your taxes will go up.

In fairness since Senator Coburn has been elected a lot less federal pork flows to Oklahoma.

Sucking off the tit? If you'd do some actual research it would lead you to the fact that the biggest delta between states are the taxes received (individual on a progressive scale) not the entitlements received. I've already showed you where okie burns less UE benefits than most of the blue states.

If you really want to make the claim that the blue states are providing for the reds there is no real correlation or link. Too many variables like port tariffs, large facilities (FAA, DOE) and government managed resources.

It was shiatty analysis even when the numbers favored the blues and it's still a shiaty analysis. If you wont dig any further than that graph then we should just ignore each other.

k?

MamaMia
8/4/2011, 08:42 PM
On the whole red states are supported by blue states. Meaning a lot but not all red states get more than a dollar back vs what they paid in taxes. Most blue states get less than a dollar back for what they paid. For instance Delaware gets back .77 cents on the dollar.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/national/article_fe4108c4-803d-5e07-9d60-e833f2f70ea1.htmlHere is the actual list:



Oklahoma is fifth on the list.
Here is the list, ranked by dollars back to dollar sent:

New Mexico $2.03
Mississippi $2.02
Alaska $1.84
Louisiana $1.78
West Va $1.76
N. Dakota $1.68
Alabama $1.53
S. Dakota $1.53
Kentucky $1.51
Virginia $1.51
Montana $1.47
Hawaii $1.44
Maine $1.41
Arkansas $1.41
Oklahoma $1.36
S. Carolina $1.35
Missouri $1.32
Maryland $1.30
Tennessee $1.27
Idaho $1.21
Arizona $1.19
Kansas $1.12
Wyoming $1.11
Iowa $1.10
Nebraska $1.10
Vermont $1.08
N. Carolina $1.08
Pennsylvania $1.07
Utah $1.07
Indiana $1.05
Ohio $1.05
Georgia $1.01
Rhode Island $1.00
Florida $.97
Texas $.94
Oregon $.93
Michigan $.92
Washington $.88
Wisconsin $.86
MA $.82
Colorado $.81
Delaware $.77
Illinois $.75
Minnesota $.72
NH $.71
CT $.69
Nevada $.65
New Jersey $.61



http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe-election-politics/802116-how-much-does-your-state-get-federal-government.html

diverdog
8/4/2011, 08:52 PM
Here is the actual list:



Oklahoma is fifth on the list.
Here is the list, ranked by dollars back to dollar sent:

New Mexico $2.03
Mississippi $2.02
Alaska $1.84
Louisiana $1.78
West Va $1.76
N. Dakota $1.68
Alabama $1.53
S. Dakota $1.53
Kentucky $1.51
Virginia $1.51
Montana $1.47
Hawaii $1.44
Maine $1.41
Arkansas $1.41
Oklahoma $1.36
S. Carolina $1.35
Missouri $1.32
Maryland $1.30
Tennessee $1.27
Idaho $1.21
Arizona $1.19
Kansas $1.12
Wyoming $1.11
Iowa $1.10
Nebraska $1.10
Vermont $1.08
N. Carolina $1.08
Pennsylvania $1.07
Utah $1.07
Indiana $1.05
Ohio $1.05
Georgia $1.01
Rhode Island $1.00
Florida $.97
Texas $.94
Oregon $.93
Michigan $.92
Washington $.88
Wisconsin $.86
MA $.82
Colorado $.81
Delaware $.77
Illinois $.75
Minnesota $.72
NH $.71
CT $.69
Nevada $.65
New Jersey $.61



http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe-election-politics/802116-how-much-does-your-state-get-federal-government.html

You do understand the closer you are to the top the worse you are on spending?

diverdog
8/4/2011, 09:08 PM
Sucking off the tit? If you'd do some actual research it would lead you to the fact that the biggest delta between states are the taxes received (individual on a progressive scale) not the entitlements received. I've already showed you where okie burns less UE benefits than most of the blue states.

If you really want to make the claim that the blue states are providing for the reds there is no real correlation or link. Too many variables like port tariffs, large facilities (FAA, DOE) and government managed resources.

It was shiatty analysis even when the numbers favored the blues and it's still a shiaty analysis. If you wont dig any further than that graph then we should just ignore each other.

k?

I am talking about all spending not just entitlements. To be sure some of the blue states like NY and DC (not a state) get higher welfare payments.

Here is a link for you:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/ftsbs-timeseries-20071016-.pdf


Oklahoma has a work force that is almost 22% government workers:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141785/Gov-Employment-Ranges-Ohio.aspx

soonercruiser
8/4/2011, 10:02 PM
were you here or are you just making things up?

OK! OK!
I finally see what you guys are getting at.

Phil's guess was right. I said "years", since some of the liberal whiners on this forum were also on the OUI pi**ing and moaning about Boooosh.
My bad! Shoulda specified.

:D Prolly happened 'cause it really feels like home here! :D

soonercruiser
8/4/2011, 10:11 PM
Don't forget Vinita! ;)

Vinita????!!!!!!

I ain't killed no one.......YET!
:D

49r
8/5/2011, 09:42 AM
TOTP!

The Profit
5/8/2012, 10:59 AM
Actually, Osama was a conservative, but Obama made him a dead conservative.

sappstuf
5/8/2012, 11:03 AM
Actually, Osama was a conservative, but Obama made him a dead conservative.

Is this who I think it is???

The Profit
5/8/2012, 11:05 AM
He Lives!!!!!

sappstuf
5/8/2012, 11:23 AM
He Lives!!!!!

Good to hear from you. Okie and I were talking a couple of weeks ago and your name came up.

Everything is good, I hope.

The Profit
5/8/2012, 12:59 PM
It is very good. Thanks for asking. Good to see some of you are still around.

pphilfran
5/8/2012, 01:17 PM
Gawd damn!

The turf god appears....

okie52
5/8/2012, 01:30 PM
It is very good. Thanks for asking. Good to see some of you are still around.

I thought you had wised up and found tranquility away from this board.

The Profit
5/8/2012, 02:05 PM
Tranquillity can be boring, and we are only 6 months from the election.

The Profit
5/8/2012, 02:07 PM
Phil, I guess they are having a big council meeting in L-town tonight.