Well I might be ****ed... Grad Students to feel pinch in debt deal

[OU_Sooners75]

wait - are you conversely saying that you know someone.......on a message board?

i mean are you really wearing that badge of honor?

Not sure what ur talking about, but did you read where i spouted off about pretending to know someone and what they make or where they live?

Nope...didn't read that from me. Thanks for stickin up for you buddy though.

[Sooner24]

And yet on the topic of tax rates, your dumbass calls my views socialistic, when I am in favor of everyone paying their dues and helping rid this country of it's debt.

Yeah, I would call that socialism at it's finest! Lmfao!!!

No you're calling for people that have more to pay a bigger percentage. If grocery sacker pays the same percentage as the guy that makes $100,000 a year thats one thing. If you want to send the IRS more money than they require they will be more than happy to accept it.

[jk the sooner fan]

my buddy? i cant stand that fuc***

[Sooner24]

did you see the part about progressive taxation? and where you said that those with more money "shouldnt mind paying a higher %"

really - you cant be this stupid? right?

The more he post the more I think he is.

[OU_Sooners75]

jk, it's not worth discussing taxes and fiscal policy with someone that gets the earned income tax credit.


Let me ask you this... Why do u even pretend to know what I make? Do you know me? You work with me? You my boss?

Nope to all those... So continue with your drivel.

[Chuck Bao]

The tuition is raised because there is free money to be had. Period.

That's another interesting point. But, I have a few questions for you.

So, are we going to sacrifice the poor student to get universities not to hike tuition rates further? Do you think that would be an effective policy? What do you think it would do to our society where only the rich can afford to send their kids to the top universities and graduate schools?

What do you think the solution should be?

Strict constitutionalists do not see a university education or grad schools mentioned in the US Constitution, Bill of Rights or amendments, so the purview automatically falls to the individual states to regulate and control their public and private universities.

Yeah, I am still trying to process how tuition discounting could occur.

I guess I am left with my old adage that consumers beware and US consumers rule the world. I campaign against buying Chinese products and I guess I can want to dance with is one thing and

[OutlandTrophy]

hell no I don't work with you and nor am I your boss. I'm an educated grown up, I don't work in a grocery store.

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090228052701AAqzut1


Earnings vary by industry, skill, geographic region, and educational level. Median annual earnings of butchers and meat cutters were $26,930 in May 2006. The middle 50 percent earned between $20,630 and $35,240. The highest 10 percent earned more than $43,260 annually, while the lowest 10 percent earned less than $16,520.

Butchers and meat cutters employed at the retail level typically earn more than those in manufacturing. Median annual earnings in the industries employing the largest numbers of butchers and meat cutters in May 2006 were:

Other general merchandise stores $34,190
Grocery stores 27,830
Grocery and related product wholesalers 25,690
Specialty food stores 23,180
Animal slaughtering and processing 23,080
Source(s):
Read more @ http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos219.htm#earni…

[OU_Sooners75]

No you're calling for people that have more to pay a bigger percentage. If grocery sacker pays the same percentage as the guy that makes $100,000 a year thats one thing. If you want to send the IRS more money than they require they will be more than happy to accept it.


Actually you should go back and read my very first post in this thread.

I do believe the rich should be taxed more, but I also think everyone should be taxed more to pay this debt.

I also think the government should downsize and spend a lot less.

Yes, I singled out the rich, who can actually afford higher taxes more than any other class, but I also said everyone should pitch in.


But be like most people and read just what you want to read okay?

[jk the sooner fan]

we get that you want the poor to pay taxes too, great - i'm sure they'll appreciate your patriotism - did you look at the chart i posted? did you read the percentages of income taxes paid by the top 10% in earnings?

what we're trying to point out to you - and there are plenty others who think like you do - you're all over the damn place these days - is that we should punish the rich by making them pay more (even though they're already taking on a greater burden of the overall tax base than anybody else)

have you ever gotten a paycheck from a poor man?

[Sooner24]

Actually you should go back and read my very first post in this thread.

I do believe the rich should be taxed more, but I also think everyone should be taxed more to pay this debt.

I also think the government should downsize and spend a lot less.

Yes, I singled out the rich, who can actually afford higher taxes more than any other class, but I also said everyone should pitch in.


But be like most people and read just what you want to read okay?

So you're saying that the guy that makes $30,000 a year should pay the same percentage as the guy that makes $150,000? I just want to be sure I have this right.

[OU_Sooners75]

hell no I don't work with you and nor am I your boss. I'm an educated grown up, I don't work in a grocery store.

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090228052701AAqzut1


Wow and you actually think I work in a grocery store.

Is it retail? Yes and no. But I work in a butcher shop, in today's world we call them meat markets.

A grocery store is like United or Walmart Grocery. I take animal carcasses and process them to customer specs. We do also offer select cuts of meat to the public.

I dont make a ton of money, but I don't make anywhere close to minimum wage.

I have a lot of fun at my work. At the same time don't have to make a bnch of money. Thanks for the misses and me headed back to school to conitue my education.


Oh and no, I'll be paying my way, not relying on the government to pay my way!

[SCOUT]

Actually you should go back and read my very first post in this thread.

I do believe the rich should be taxed more, but I also think everyone should be taxed more to pay this debt.

I also think the government should downsize and spend a lot less.

Yes, I singled out the rich, who can actually afford higher taxes more than any other class, but I also said everyone should pitch in.


But be like most people and read just what you want to read okay?

I don't want to get pulled too far into this discussion, but I do have an honest question or two about your comment regarding what someone else can afford. Why do you get to decide what someone else can afford? What factors do you include/exclude when decide this other person's budget?

I only quote you 75 because yours is the last post to say something of this nature. It is a common comment.

[OU_Sooners75]

So you're saying that the guy that makes $30,000 a year should pay the same percentage as the guy that makes $150,000? I just want to be sure I have this right.

Let me ask you this... Did you read that in my comment?

1 right now, different pay grades have different tax percentages.
2 the only way they should pay the same is if there is a flat tax, which I'm in favor of.

That said, right now the rich does pay a higher percent than a guy making 30k. My point is, higher taxes on all! If the rich gets nailed for a 6% increase then the middle class should as well.

Hopefully that clears up the misunderstanding.


If not, if theyraise taxes, it needs to be a raise on taxes in all income tax brackets.

[OU_Sooners75]

I don't want to get pulled too far into this discussion, but I do have an honest question or two about your comment regarding what someone else can afford. Why do you get to decide what someone else can afford? What factors do you include/exclude when decide this other person's budget?

I only quote you 75 because yours is the last post to say something of this nature. It is a common comment.

I am not saying who can afford to pay more... My thought is if they are going to raise on one group they should raise on all. And trust me, though I wouldnt mind paying slightly more, I hope I won't have too.

I think we all should be in this together.

However, in all honesty, they should do away with the current tax codes and implement a fair tax system.

Why should I or anyone pay for illegal immigrants schooling and medical and food? Make them pay taxes too and a fair tax would do that.

[Midtowner]

Those of you talking about Socialism, etc., don't even grasp the issue here. These programs are anything but socialist. They were originally designed with good intentions. The trouble was that lobbyists got control of it and it has now become a rigged system which has tied up 7% of the nation's GDP.

How is it rigged? Tuition prices at many institutions are tied directly to the maximum allowable loan from the federally subsidized problem. The maximum allowable loan has been allowed, regardless of economic conditions, to raise each year. Each year, in response to the raising of the maximum allowable, schools have in turn raised their rates as well.

The fact is that tuition costs, just like healthcare costs, have nothing to do with what it costs to actually deliver the services being rendered. It has everything to do with institutions which have been designed to milk the system.

Upon graduation, a student will pay off their obligation in 10 or 25 years, and for that time, they're going to be economically stunted. They will be paying money back to their loans programs (the rigged system) which could otherwise be used to create jobs. This is bad for all of us, and it's very fixable.

[Sooner24]

Lets say you are married but file separately. Now let say you make an even $1Million per year, while living in Oklahoma.

You pay in just $336,000 in state, local, and federal taxes. Or roughly 33.6%.

Making that much money as an individual, would it really hurt you to pay in say another 0.4-1.0% in taxes? No it wouldn't. Hell, I'll venture to say that you wouldn't be bothered much if your tax rate was raised by 6.0%.

No one is hating the rich. But they really are the only ones that an afford to pay more, so they should have to shoulder the burden a little more.

However, I think all individuals in this country should take on more of the burden as a whole. It shouldnt all be left to the rich to pay.


Let me ask you this... Did you read that in my comment?

1 right now, different pay grades have different tax percentages.
2 the only way they should pay the same is if there is a flat tax, which I'm in favor of.

That said, right now the rich does pay a higher percent than a guy making 30k. My point is, higher taxes on all! If the rich gets nailed for a 6% increase then the middle class should as well.

Hopefully that clears up the misunderstanding.


If not, if theyraise taxes, it needs to be a raise on taxes in all income tax brackets.

So which is it?

[Midtowner]

Strict constitutionalists do not see a university education or grad schools mentioned in the US Constitution, Bill of Rights or amendments, so the purview automatically falls to the individual states to regulate and control their public and private universities.

Strict constructionalists not born with massive trust funds would have had to rely on student loan programs to buy their six-figure law degrees if they had gone to school today. Just sayin'

[Sooner24]

Who here thinks if we all payed more in taxes it would go to paying off the debt?

If you do think this let me tell you about this time machine I have for sale.

[Midtowner]

You folks arguing about the marginal tax rates don't have a clue what you're talking about. Go read on tax brackets and get back to me.

You're taxed x% on the first y of income, then z% on the next a of income (and so on).

So the rich will always pay x% on the first $20K or so that they earn (same as the poor folks) and y% on 20K-35K (or whatever it is) and so on.

So we're only talking about the money earned in excess of $250K (or whatever) which would be taxed at the higher rate, not everything.

[Sooner24]

Also it's not the tuition that is the killer it's all the stupid fees. When my son was in school at OU I would get the bursar account and see Academic Excellence fee $175 then a few line down there would be Additional Academic Excellence fee $225. I didn't even know what an Academic Excellence fee was let alone an Additional Academic Excellence fee was.

[OU_Sooners75]

So which is it?

U really are having a hard time with this aren't you?

Now, you highlighted a paragraph about the rich being able to afford more so they should pay more.

Now, would you care to highlight the very next paragraph where I said, "however, I think all Individuals in this country should take on more of the burden as a whole."

Pick and choose what you wish to read is easy to do, especially when it is evident that you didn't read the entire post.


Like I said, I think all people should pay more if they raise taxes, not just the rich.

You all hate the dems for wanting to raise taxes on the rich, yet you apparently hate someone that thinks everyone should be taxed more if they raise taxes.

It's like you want your cake and to eat it too!

[OU_Sooners75]

Who here thinks if we all payed more in taxes it would go to paying off the debt?

If you do think this let me tell you about this time machine I have for sale.


If taxes are raised, then yes that money should go to paying off the debt. Butthe only way that happens is if the govt cuts their spending habits.

[Sooner24]

U reply having a hard time with this aren't you?

Now, you highlighted a paragraph about the rich being able to afford more so they should pay more.

Now, would you care to highlight the very next paragraph where I said, "however, I think all Individuals in this country should take on more of the burden as a whole."

Pick and choose what you wish to read is easy to do, especially when it is evident that you didn't read the entire post.


Like I said, I think all people should pay more if they raise taxes, not just the rich.

You all hate the dems for wanting to raise taxes on the rich, yet you apparently hate someone that thinks everyone should be taxed more if they raise taxes.

It's like you want your cake and to eat it too!

But they really are the only ones that an afford to pay more, so they should have to shoulder the burden a little more.

I can read and you did say this.

[badger]

Interesting article on Obama and Bush's tax cuts this morning via the Associated Press.

Linky (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=13&articleid=20110803_13_0_WASHIN775047)

The answer to raising the money to keep necessary and good programs going might be a combination of both taxes that target the wealthy and taxes that target everyone. Don't just tax $250k-plus via income taxes... tax sales.

You will find that many states make up for a lack of income tax by having huge sales taxes instead. There are states out there with lower sales taxes (or in the case of my relatives up in Delaware, apparently NO sales tax) but what if the government imposed a federal sales tax on every state in addition to whatever sales taxes are already in place from state to state?

Sales taxes are something that people have control over how much they get taxes, unlike income (although technically I guess you can decide to work less, hehe). Sales taxes effect everyone, from tourists, to illegal immigrants, to your everyday working folk, to your rich trust fund babies.

Certain items can be exempt, or certain people can be exempt (for example, groceries could be tax-free, and people spending food stamps for groceries could get those items tax-free).

If you are looking for a flat tax that impacts everyone, your answer is a sales tax.

[soonerbub]

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this land is my land mutha****a

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[47straight]

That's another interesting point. But, I have a few questions for you.

So, are we going to sacrifice the poor student to get universities not to hike tuition rates further? Do you think that would be an effective policy? What do you think it would do to our society where only the rich can afford to send their kids to the top universities and graduate schools?

What do you think the solution should be?

Strict constitutionalists do not see a university education or grad schools mentioned in the US Constitution, Bill of Rights or amendments, so the purview automatically falls to the individual states to regulate and control their public and private universities.

Yeah, I am still trying to process how tuition discounting could occur.


Since tuition used to be more affordable for actual people to pay but universities got more cash directly allocated from the government, rather than more towards the money going to the student and just expanding to meet whatever tuition level was set, I'd be in favor of simply reversing the process and take the same money that's been moved from pile A to pile B back to pile A. Because as far as I can tell, it absolutely hasn't made college more affordable and has raised actual tuition cost for those without access to the pile B.


Is that too naive?

[OutlandTrophy]

I think it sucks what they are doing to Fraggle and others. It sucks anytime the rules get changed midstream in any kind of a deal. I know Fraggle will come out a winner in this deal and hopefully he will use all of this knowledge to help mankind in some way. I've been lobbying for him to study how to make bacon even tastier but he wants to play with algae. :(

Anyhoo, it sucks and there is no other way to say it.

[Sooner24]

I think it sucks what they are doing to Fraggle and others. It sucks anytime the rules get changed midstream in any kind of a deal. I know Fraggle will come out a winner in this deal and hopefully he will use all of this knowledge to help mankind in some way. I've been lobbying for him to study how to make bacon even tastier but he wants to play with algae. :(

Anyhoo, it sucks and there is no other way to say it.

Maybe he can find a way to make it taste like bacon!

[Chuck Bao]

Since tuition used to be more affordable for actual people to pay but universities got more cash directly allocated from the government, rather than more towards the money going to the student and just expanding to meet whatever tuition level was set, I'd be in favor of simply reversing the process and take the same money that's been moved from pile A to pile B back to pile A. Because as far as I can tell, it absolutely hasn't made college more affordable and has raised actual tuition cost for those without access to the pile B.


Is that too naive?

I am still not sure what you mean. I guess that you are saying that instead of the university arranging the loan and getting the proceeds directly, it should go to the student with very implied idea that it is only for university education and we'll just give you so much and please remember to spend it wisely on possibly better value for the buck education. Maybe that would work. I am just thinking that a lot of the university entrants are 18-19 years old and it could be a very hard concept for them to get their mind around.

[47straight]

I am still not sure what you mean. I guess that you are saying that instead of the university arranging the loan and getting the proceeds directly, it should go to the student with very implied idea that it is only for university education and we'll just give you so much and please remember to spend it wisely on possibly better value for the buck education. Maybe that would work. I am just thinking that a lot of the university entrants are 18-19 years old and it could be a very hard concept for them to get their mind around.

No, I'm saying instead of giving the money via grants/loans, give the money to the University directly. As in $X for their operating budget. All the extra grants/loans have mostly inflated the tuition.

[soonercruiser]

Interesting article on Obama and Bush's tax cuts this morning via the Associated Press.

Sales taxes are something that people have control over how much they get taxes, unlike income (although technically I guess you can decide to work less, hehe). Sales taxes effect everyone, from tourists, to illegal immigrants, to your everyday working folk, to your rich trust fund babies.

If you are looking for a flat tax that impacts everyone, your answer is a sales tax.

No "hehe" indicated, Mama!
This is in fact what many have done in recent years; including business owners......> sit down on the sidelines.

There gets to be a point of diminishing return on how long and hard you work. I cut back from 4 days a week to 2 days, three years ago. I looked at what I ended up paying in taxes and personal wear & tear with the extra income, and decided that we didn't need to tuck away more, considering inflation, devaluation of the dollar, and the wiffie finding her dream job in our old age. (Yes! I made that decision at the end of Booooosh's term.) The other thing that made that decision easier was a significant decrease in Medcare & Medicaid reimbursements..... and I stopped seeing my own patients at the same time.