big trouble for big o...

[87sooner]

the independents choose our president....

http://people-press.org/2011/07/28/obama-loses-ground-in-2012-reelection-bid/

[Boomer.....]

We can only HOPE

[49r]

The flaw in that poll is this. The "generic Republican nominee" doesn't exist.

[soonercruiser]

The imbeciles that did vote for him obviously didn't do their homework the first.

What's to make one optimistic that they will do the "right" thing the second....?
:rolleyes:

[sappstuf]

The flaw in that poll is this. The "generic Republican nominee" doesn't exist.

I beg to differ.... Tim Pawlenty.

[S.PadreIsl.Sooner]

The Tea Party idiots are gonna get O reelected via the debt ceiling fiasco.

[oumartin]

I'm going to have to move this to the political board via my mod powers.

[87sooner]

The imbeciles that did vote for him obviously didn't do their homework the first.

What's to make one optimistic that they will do the "right" thing the second....?
:rolleyes:

nobody ever said the independents were smart....
they simply vote their pocketbooks...
if the economy is bad....they vote for change....
if the economy is still bad next year...obama is gone...
if by some miracle things turn around....

[87sooner]

The Tea Party idiots are gonna get O reelected via the debt ceiling fiasco.

if the debt ceiling issue effects the election at all...it will NOT be in obama's favor...

[S.PadreIsl.Sooner]

if the debt ceiling issue effects the election at all...it will NOT be in obama's favor...

Nope. The Tea Party choked. Obama invokes the 14th Amendment and saves the economy. Game over.

[87sooner]

Nope. The Tea Party choked. Obama invokes the 14th Amendment and saves the economy. Game over.

so raising the debt ceiling saves the economy?
i don't think so...

[pphilfran]

Nope. The Tea Party choked. Obama invokes the 14th Amendment and saves the economy. Game over.

Raising the debt limit won't save the economy....it might keep it from going into a second tail spin (looks possible either case)...but it ain't gonna save it...

[pphilfran]

We are getting exactly what we wanted...we wanted the good old boy network tossed out...and it will be painful to make that happen....

Now it comes down to nut cutting time...will the good old boy network realize that radical change is in the wind or do they continue to try to do business as usual?

[sappstuf]

Nope. The Tea Party choked. Obama invokes the 14th Amendment and saves the economy. Game over.

You obviously have not been paying attention to economic indicators lately....

Oh wait.. BREAKING NEWS!!

1st quarter GDP revised downward to .4% from 1.9%. They are saying 1.3% growth in the 2nd quarter... Expect that to be downgraded at some point..

A new Obama recession might already be here...

But you say he is saving it... :O

[87sooner]

i think what spis was trying to say is ....obama raising the debt ceiling would save the financial markets...
however....if he does it by invoking the 14th amendment...US debt would likely be downgraded immediately so i'm not sure the markets wouldn't tank anyway...
i guess tanking would be better than collapsing...

[pphilfran]

You obviously have not been paying attention to economic indicators lately....

Oh wait.. BREAKING NEWS!!

1st quarter GDP revised downward to .4% from 1.9%. They are saying 1.3% growth in the 2nd quarter... Expect that to be downgraded at some point..

A new Obama recession might already be here...

But you say he is saving it... :O

Damn, that is terrible news...

[S.PadreIsl.Sooner]

Actually what I'm saying is the Tea Party are destroying the Republicans reputation as fiscally sound. Letting the economy blow up by refusing to raise the debt ceiling when the crisis is at our doorstep is suicide. The Tea Party/Republicans are now seen and crazy and childish.

[87sooner]

We are getting exactly what we wanted...we wanted the good old boy network tossed out...and it will be painful to make that happen....

Now it comes down to nut cutting time...will the good old boy network realize that radical change is in the wind or do they continue to try to do business as usual?

i hope the tea partiers stick to their guns..
it's time repubs realize their old overspending ways will not be tolerated anymore...
we need a house and senate full of ron pauls for a change.....

[sappstuf]

Damn, that is terrible news...

Yes it is. Here is a link to the AP story.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Economy-growing-at-slowest-apf-1144260413.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode

[87sooner]

Actually what I'm saying is the Tea Party are destroying the Republicans reputation as fiscally sound. Letting the economy blow up by refusing to raise the debt ceiling when the crisis is at our doorstep is suicide. The Tea Party/Republicans are now seen and crazy and childish.

so how does obama look then?
letting the "economy blow up" by raising the debt ceiling and irresponsibly continuing down the same road to complete collapse.....
i guess one must be paying attention to understand this ....

also...as an aside..if you've been paying attention.....the republican reputation of fiscal soundness.....is a myth...

[pphilfran]

You obviously have not been paying attention to economic indicators lately....

Oh wait.. BREAKING NEWS!!

1st quarter GDP revised downward to .4% from 1.9%. They are saying 1.3% growth in the 2nd quarter... Expect that to be downgraded at some point..

A new Obama recession might already be here...

But you say he is saving it... :O

I know I already said this...

Damn, that is terrible news!

[Jacie]

nobody ever said the independents were smart....
they simply vote their pocketbooks...
if the economy is bad....they vote for change....
if the economy is still bad next year...obama is gone...
if by some miracle things turn around....

Yeah, it is real stupid to pay attention to how much money our government spends versus what it takes in and then decides the answer to not having enough is to take in more . . . and from where does it get more?

[sappstuf]

I know I already said this...

Damn, that is terrible news!

I have a bad feeling that 1.3% will be downgraded to negative numbers at some point in the future.

[pphilfran]

I have a bad feeling that 1.3% will be downgraded to negative numbers at some point in the future.

My GDP chart was already looking bad...

I need to keep track of revisions...nearly all have been downgraded...I'll start a second trend line when revisions are finalized...

[pphilfran]

Do you think we will have 48 hours to review the plan...as promised?

[87sooner]

My GDP chart was already looking bad...

I need to keep track of revisions...nearly all have been downgraded...I'll start a second trend line when revisions are finalized...

a third trendline would be interesting....govt projections...

[sappstuf]

My GDP chart was already looking bad...

I need to keep track of revisions...nearly all have been downgraded...I'll start a second trend line when revisions are finalized...

Leave plenty of room at the bottom of the page.. ;) and :(

[pphilfran]

a third trendline would be interesting....govt projections...

I think I have that data in the Obama budget...hmmmmmm.....

[sappstuf]

I think I have that data in the Obama budget...hmmmmmm.....

Weren't we supposed to be at 4.5% or something like that or was that next year?

[pphilfran]

His budget shows...

2009 at -2.06%
2010 at 2.91
2011 at 3.94
2012 at 4.86
2013 at 5.94

[87sooner]

His budget shows...

2009 at -2.06%
2010 at 2.91
2011 at 3.94
2012 at 4.86
2013 at 5.94

wow.....talk about pie in the sky...

[pphilfran]

wow.....talk about pie in the sky...

No chit....

That is how he made his budget look as good as it is...

Great GDP growth which fueled massive increases in revenue...

Check out his expected revenue stream...

In 2010 we had revenue of 2.162 trillion
In 2013 he projects 3.003 trillion
2016 3.819 trillion...

[pphilfran]

Say we blame the 60 or so members of the House on their dysfunction...

How about the Senate? What are there? 4 Tea Party members?

[sappstuf]

No chit....

That is how he made his budget look as good as it is...

Great GDP growth which fueled massive increases in revenue...

Check out his expected revenue stream...

In 2010 we had revenue of 2.162 trillion
In 2013 he projects 3.003 trillion
2016 3.819 trillion...

If I remember right, his rosey budget ONLY increased the debt by $2.8 trillion over 10 years with those numbers....

[pphilfran]

If I remember right, his rosey budget ONLY increased the debt by $2.8 trillion over 10 years with those numbers....

He only goes out to 2016...
2013-2016 he shows a loss of about 700 billion a year...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

Table 1.1

[sappstuf]

Say we blame the 60 or so members of the House on their dysfunction...

How about the Senate? What are there? 4 Tea Party members?

Phil,

it is really sad that through all of this, Obama has not submitted a plan and neither has the Senate. Oh, they say they have a plan, but nothing is ever brought up for a vote, Harry could call a vote at any time on his plan.

I really think Obama doesn't know what to do. He has froze.

[87sooner]

Say we blame the 60 or so members of the House on their dysfunction...

How about the Senate? What are there? 4 Tea Party members?

i blame the traditional repubs/dems...
their plans....year after year have put us on the road to ruin....

[pphilfran]

i blame the traditional repubs/dems...
their plans....year after year have put us on the road to ruin....

I agree...

They don't know how to deal with the new Tea Party folks....

[sappstuf]

Obama's about to give another speech...

I predict GDP growth of 8% plus from the end of the speech..

[87sooner]

if not now....when?

[pphilfran]

if not now....when?

Beats the hell out of me....

[sappstuf]

I bet Obama is really going to push hard to get all 57 states on his side..

[hawaii 5-0]

Trump is gonna come back as a 3rd Party candidate and clean house.


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[Position Limit]

Actually what I'm saying is the Tea Party are destroying the Republicans reputation as fiscally sound. Letting the economy blow up by refusing to raise the debt ceiling when the crisis is at our doorstep is suicide. The Tea Party/Republicans are now seen and crazy and childish.

republicans have a reputation as being fiscally sound? link?

[soonercruiser]

Actually what I'm saying is the Tea Party are destroying the Republicans reputation as fiscally sound. Letting the economy blow up by refusing to raise the debt ceiling when the crisis is at our doorstep is suicide. The Tea Party/Republicans are now seen and crazy and childish.

Duh!
Pushing the debt limit out without real spending cuts, or a deal on a balanced budget ammendment IS NOT FISCALY SOUND!
**I can count the years that the Repubicans have been fiscally sound on the fingers of one hand!
We will be downgraded!