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MamaMia
7/19/2011, 07:11 PM
I think he could beat Obama.

Thaumaturge
7/19/2011, 07:16 PM
I'm not sure. I've heard things, but I don't want to deal in rumors and innuendo.

soonerhubs
7/19/2011, 07:22 PM
He lost my vote when he decided public safety wasn't a priority in Texas by vetoing the "no texting while driving law."

Mongo
7/19/2011, 07:25 PM
He lost my vote when he decided public safety wasn't a priority in Texas by vetoing the "no texting while driving law."

made up law to please the masses and a new tax when a cop decides to enforce it. cops dont catch every drunk driver or speeder

soonerhubs
7/19/2011, 07:27 PM
made up law to please the masses and a new tax when a cop decides to enforce it. cops dont catch every drunk driver or speeder

If it reduces even a small percentage of selfish dumbasses on the highway, it would be worth it.

GDC
7/19/2011, 07:28 PM
I wish Oklahoma had a blanket no cell phone while driving period law.

The Profit
7/19/2011, 07:30 PM
After Bush's two recent wars, and LBJ's fiasco in Vietnam, this nation is not ready to put another Texan in the white house.

soonerhubs
7/19/2011, 07:33 PM
I wish Oklahoma had a blanket no cell phone while driving period law.

Amen!

SicEmBaylor
7/19/2011, 07:41 PM
I'm going to post what I posted elsewhere. Anything I can do to put doubt in the minds of anyone looking at Perry I'll do.

SicEmBaylor
7/19/2011, 07:42 PM
Rush asked me to elaborate on some things I said about Perry. My answer was as follows:

The Texas Constitution forbids an income tax. Several years ago Perry, Craddick, and Dewhurst (not a conservative in the bunch especially Craddick) hatched a scheme nicknamed by those who fought it as the "stealth income tax." Essentially, the plan was to make up a projected budget shortfall by taxing employers on the income of their employees. So instead of each citizen of Texas paying an income tax, which is unconstitutional, their employers would pay a tax on their earned income. The legislative maneuvering to get this done was pretty salty but conservative organizations in the state (including the one I worked for) started banding together and using their clout with Republican members of the legislature to kill the idea before it really got anywhere. Now, you can chalk this up to just a single policy mistake or you can see it as indicative of a serious ideological problem with Perry.

If you haven't heard of the TTC and what it would mean to property owners in the state then you need to bone up on it before anyone pimps Perry for President.

The gay allegation has been circulating for awhile but aside from a mention on Drudge not long ago, it hasn't made its way to the general public. It's a well known rumor among politicos in the state. As it happens, I have two friends who worked on Perry's staff at the time that absolutely swear by the incident that started the rumors. I trust them, but it is just a rumor. Rumors, however, are very important in politics especially when considering electability. I have no problem with Perry being gay, but I have a problem with the conservative Christian hypocrisy of it.

Perry is very very shrewd legislatively. Perry has governed in Texas by being extremely conservative in his public persona while working the process to avoid having controversial bills come to his desk that he'd be obligated to sign. Wonder why Texas hasn't passed an Arizona style immigration law? The TSA bill is the most recent example of this tactic.

He's an Aggie. A corps member to boot.

Look, there is no doubt he would govern (nominally) more conservatively than Obama. There's no question of that. But he lacks principles -- he uses conservatism to get elected in the same way Bill Clinton used liberalism to get elected. Neither were particularly dedicated to those principles. Now, if you know and understand that and want to support him anyway then fine. But don't support him on some false belief that he's the great-white-hope of conservatism.

I vote for people who share my principles. I don't vote for people just because they're measurably better than the opposition to some degree. That's just how I roll. The problem I have with you is that you act like some great defender of conservative principles while pimping people that do not share those principles. For the life of me, I can't understand why you do that. You need to be honest with yourself and just admit that you aren't a principles type guy and that what you're really interested in is Republican success because you consider it to be measurably better than the alternative. That's fine by me but be honest with who you are.

MR2-Sooner86
7/19/2011, 07:47 PM
The thing that gets me is he voted against the texting while driving law saying, "the government doesn't have that power," however he had no problem making a law that forced women to get sonograms before an abortion. So the government can't stop you from putting others in danger but they have the power to ram something up a woman's vagina? Got it.

If he got into the White House I'd be afraid we'd have a cowboy yahoo going around the world. He'd probably threaten to nuke Iran because "them Mooslems can't be trusted I tellz ya!"

The only Texan I'm pulling for is Ron Paul. FYI, his money bomb is today so if you haven't donated, go and do it.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
7/19/2011, 08:10 PM
I'm going to post what I posted elsewhere. Anything I can do to put doubt in the minds of anyone looking at Perry I'll do.Perry/Obeary til the cows come home, y'all!

MamaMia
7/19/2011, 08:33 PM
IMO...Texting while driving is wreckless driving.

SicEmBaylor
7/19/2011, 09:01 PM
IMO...Texting while driving is wreckless driving.

It isn't about the texting bill. As MR2 pointed out, it's about being consistent. What the texting bill illustrates is that with Perry, it isn't about principle -- it's about politics.

MamaMia
7/19/2011, 09:05 PM
It isn't about the texting bill. As MR2 pointed out, it's about being consistent. What the texting bill illustrates is that with Perry, it isn't about principle -- it's about politics.Yeah, unlike all the other politicians. :D

bigfatjerk
7/19/2011, 09:19 PM
Generic republican has about a 10% lead over Obama right now. I still like Herman Cain and Ron Paul the most though.

IndySooner
7/19/2011, 09:21 PM
I find it ironic that someone who was discussing secession may be running for President.

A Sooner in Texas
7/19/2011, 09:27 PM
Even conservatives don't really like Perry. He hasn't had any decent competition in his gubernatorial races, hence his overwhelming victories. And his recent statements on feeling "called" to perhaps run for Pres? GMAFB. He has only shown any sort of evangelical Christian stripe in recent months, conveniently coinciding with the hype over his run for president.

I'm no fan of GWB, and Perry couldn't fill his boots. As far as beating Obama, who knows? I doubt it, but weirder things have happened. Gov. Goodhair is not as beloved in his home state as he would like to believe.

A Sooner in Texas
7/19/2011, 09:30 PM
Sic, I've heard whispers about gay rumors but do tell about the "incident" that started them. PLLLLLLEEEEEEAAAAASSSSEEEEEE!!!!!:D

hawaii 5-0
7/20/2011, 02:15 AM
Rick Perry has a 'calling'???!!!!!! Are ya kidding me?


Talk about a Messiah. Sheesh.


5-0


Trump/ Ru Paul 2012

TheLadiesMike
7/20/2011, 02:43 AM
Rush asked me to elaborate on some things I said about Perry. My answer was as follows:

My problem with this is that like minded people win the purity race but lose the election. I am not talking going Olympia Snowe but to say Perry is not a conservative is getting carried away.

WichitaSooner
7/20/2011, 09:43 AM
He's an Aggie. A corps member to boot.


This is all you had to say... I'm out.

3rdgensooner
7/20/2011, 09:57 AM
Can he correctly pronounce nuclear?

Aldebaran
7/20/2011, 10:00 AM
He has prayed for rain and it hasn't happened. Clearly Texas, yay, America, needs someone who's a bit more favored by the baby Jesus to see us through these difficult times.

If you can't end a drought with prayer, you aren't qualified to lead the most powerful nation in the world.

Adrian
7/20/2011, 10:02 AM
HE-he! It's the second page! No more knee jerk responses from jk!

StoopTroup
7/20/2011, 10:22 AM
See ya'll at Reliant Staduim 8/6/11

Fasting and Prayer on the 6th sounds much better than anything important 4 days before that....

badger
7/20/2011, 10:24 AM
All I need to know about Rick Perry I've read on TexAgs.com message boards. :D

You'd think that a Texas A&M graduate, who was a member of the fabled Corps, and was even a yell leader (HEAD yell leader if I remember correctly) would be their favorite Texas governor in the history of ever.

Instead, they are bawling over what a disgrace he is to their school... not for the policy making and rumor crap, but rather stuff like this:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m306/BearMeat1845/PerryHookEm.jpg

:rcmad: <<<< every Aggie who saw that

:D So basically, they are saying that they want Rick Perry to run, just so he is no longer Texas governor, but someone have him not be president, either :D

StoopTroup
7/20/2011, 10:26 AM
His message is clear.....HOOK EM ! ! !


LMAO!

NormanPride
7/20/2011, 10:34 AM
Rick Perry is a whore of the worst kind.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
7/20/2011, 10:39 AM
Rick Perry is a whore of the worst kind.Which is better than a socialist, any day.

NormanPride
7/20/2011, 10:41 AM
No, Rush, no it's not. A socialist with principles will only try to take rights away to do good no matter how misguided. Rick would take them away to get more power or money and not give a single **** about who he hurts.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
7/20/2011, 10:50 AM
No, Rush, no it's not. A socialist with principles will only try to take rights away to do good no matter how misguided. Rick would take them away to get more power or money and not give a single **** about who he hurts.Yes Pride, it is. A govt. with the power and will to redistribute and live outside the bounds of our constitution, is bad. Calling anyone a whore is not calling him a thief, like it is with socialism. Socialism is about abuse of power. Prostitution is simple greed, and while bad in excess, is not the same as Force. Go ahead and vote for Obear. It's your country too. If you like what he's doing to it, then, I think you're making a bad choice.

badger
7/20/2011, 11:01 AM
Which is better than a socialist, any day.

He stopped being a socialist* in 1989.


*Socialist and Democrat are synonyms, right?











;)

NormanPride
7/20/2011, 11:06 AM
Yes Pride, it is. A govt. with the power and will to redistribute and live outside the bounds of our constitution, is bad. Calling anyone a whore is not calling him a thief, like it is with socialism. Socialism is about abuse of power. Prostitution is simple greed, and while bad in excess, is not the same as Force. Go ahead and vote for Obear. It's your country too. If you like what he's doing to it, then, I think you're making a bad choice.
You're delusional if you think greed isn't abuse of power. At least with socialism society as a whole gets something out of it. Mind you, I'm saying a socialist with principles, whatever they may be.

Gandalf_The_Grey
7/20/2011, 11:16 AM
Can't we all agree that Democrats aren't socialist and Republicans aren't fascist? The are both *******s made from the same cloth.

badger
7/20/2011, 11:20 AM
Can't we all agree that Democrats aren't socialist and Republicans aren't fascist? The are both *******s made from the same cloth.

So the Republicans are the socialists and the Democrats are the fascists, then? ;)

Gandalf_The_Grey
7/20/2011, 11:24 AM
They are both dumb asses...

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
7/20/2011, 11:26 AM
Socialim and fascism are both abuses of power. There are no cases where either is acceptable

NormanPride
7/20/2011, 11:28 AM
If it's a mandate from the ignorant masses, is it really abuse of power?

badger
7/20/2011, 11:37 AM
Could someone please make a Venn Diagram to show the overlapping political ideologies of fascism, socialism, Democratism and Republicanism?

hawaii 5-0
7/20/2011, 11:41 AM
Will Rick Perry come out of the closet?



5-0


Trump/ Cruise 2012

DIB
7/20/2011, 11:44 AM
Supreme executive power comes from a mandate of the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony.

NormanPride
7/20/2011, 12:00 PM
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2139/venn.png

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
7/20/2011, 12:08 PM
Socialist and Democrat are synonyms, right?











;)Your icon is wrong, but yes, unfortunately, they are.

MR2-Sooner86
7/20/2011, 12:08 PM
So some Republicans are totally awesome evil fascists? I never knew.

OUMallen
7/20/2011, 12:10 PM
Look, there is no doubt he would govern (nominally) more conservatively than Obama. There's no question of that. But he lacks principles -- he uses conservatism to get elected in the same way Bill Clinton used liberalism to get elected. Neither were particularly dedicated to those principles. Now, if you know and understand that and want to support him anyway then fine. But don't support him on some false belief that he's the great-white-hope of conservatism.



If you're telling me he's not as extreme right wing pandering as he appears to be, that's a good thing in my book.

badger
7/20/2011, 12:10 PM
So some Republicans are totally awesome evil fascists? I never knew.

One of them is Rick Perry. That's why that Venn Diagram is in this thread :texan:

OU_Sooners75
7/20/2011, 12:11 PM
If Rick Perry enters the races, ever other republican may as well bow out...because Perry has the experience and has job creation backing him up.

He will be our next president if he runs...which is sad, because he is way to far conservative for my taste.

badger
7/20/2011, 12:15 PM
He will be our next president if he runs...which is sad, because he is way to far conservative for my taste.

I find it interesting that he's an ex-Democrat. I could see a political opponent use that against him. However, Tex used to be a Democratic state, much like Oklahoma used to be.

There is much wrong with Texas, but there is a lot right as well --- good employment, no income tax and a big, diverse population (age as well as race). The bad stuff mostly involved Hook em :D

StoopTroup
7/20/2011, 12:43 PM
If you're telling me he's not as extreme right wing pandering as he appears to be, that's a good thing in my book.

When Rick gets a law passed to make sure you get an injection to protect you from AIDS just in Case.....you'll be glad you voted for him because you won't get teh AIDS.

BTW have you gotten your Gardasil Shot yet or are you still out there spreading genital warts?

http://www.gardasil.com/

OU_Sooners75
7/20/2011, 01:08 PM
I find it interesting that he's an ex-Democrat. I could see a political opponent use that against him. However, Tex used to be a Democratic state, much like Oklahoma used to be.

There is much wrong with Texas, but there is a lot right as well --- good employment, no income tax and a big, diverse population (age as well as race). The bad stuff mostly involved Hook em :D


Yes, he used to be a democrat, but Hillary Clinton used to be a Republican too.

Perry's conversatism comes from his deep religous background.

badger
7/20/2011, 01:11 PM
Yes, he used to be a democrat, but Hillary Clinton used to be a Republican too.

Perry's conversatism comes from his deep religous background.

Yup, read a very interesting article on Hillary's Young Republican history and how her dad was very anti-Dem but decided to support Bill because he wasn't a bad guy.

Daddy secretly knew better :D

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
7/20/2011, 02:35 PM
If it's a mandate from the ignorant masses, is it really abuse of power?We might be broken, and our post WWII prosperity coming to a MAJOR interruption.

The
7/20/2011, 02:58 PM
http://i.imgur.com/zlGi2.png

Serge Ibaka
7/20/2011, 03:01 PM
http://i.imgur.com/zlGi2.png

A guy who understands his own limitations...

I can get behind that.

NormanPride
7/20/2011, 03:05 PM
Ugh. I can't believe you people are buying his ****. He's a former Dem because he'll play for whatever team will get him a win.

DIB
7/20/2011, 03:07 PM
I think you mean Steve Perry

NormanPride
7/20/2011, 03:09 PM
I think you mean Steve Irwin.

Aldebaran
7/20/2011, 03:12 PM
I think you mean Steve Martin.

The Profit
7/20/2011, 03:17 PM
If Rick Perry enters the races, ever other republican may as well bow out...because Perry has the experience and has job creation backing him up.

He will be our next president if he runs...which is sad, because he is way to far conservative for my taste.




No way. He has way too many skeletons in the closet.

DIB
7/20/2011, 03:19 PM
I think you mean Martin Short

hawaii 5-0
7/20/2011, 03:46 PM
With all the losers running I think right now the Repubs best bet is to convince Al Gore to change parties and run for President. Charlie Sheen can be his running mate.

5-0


Trump/ PotatoHead 2012

StoopTroup
7/20/2011, 03:59 PM
I have Jesse Ventura and Sammy Hagar in 2016 and pot Federally Legal in all States by 2018

SicEmBaylor
7/20/2011, 05:07 PM
No way. He has way too many speedo-clad cabana boys in the closet.

FIFY.

A Sooner in Texas
7/20/2011, 06:07 PM
Ugh. I can't believe you people are buying his ****. He's a former Dem because he'll play for whatever team will get him a win.




^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS, in a nutshell. Right now, he's playing on God's Team for the win.

SicEmBaylor
7/20/2011, 06:52 PM
On the other hand...

I really want to see Perry v. Romney in a fight to the finish over the best hair care products, tips, and tricks.

OU_Sooners75
7/20/2011, 07:32 PM
No way. He has way too many skeletons in the closet.
So did Obama, which didnt stop the people from voting for his lies!

tommieharris91
7/20/2011, 07:34 PM
So did Obama, which didnt stop the people from voting for his lies!

Not quite the ones SicEm is alluding to.

OU_Sooners75
7/20/2011, 07:36 PM
Not quite the ones SicEm is alluding to.


I dont know nor care...I just hope we as a nation can vote the dumbass we have in the white house out of office!

MR2-Sooner86
7/20/2011, 10:38 PM
I saw this someplace else and thought it fit.


****ing jobs, man.

This election is going to be all about jobs. Jobs; jobs; jobs; jobs; mother****ing jobs. A thousand times jobs. And Perry's going to say that while the other 49 states have lost however millions of jobs under Obama's administration, Texas has gained umpteen hundreds of thousands under his watch.

He'll talk about a bunch of other bull****. Healthcare reform. State sovereignty. The debt. Blah; blah; blah; blah. But the main hook is jobs. And it's a hook that none of the other potential Republican candidates has, and it's one that could be very effective against Obama.

God help us.

He might be a Creationist retard with a nice hairpiece but he could, sadly, get allot of people on his side promising a roaring economy.

I'm not saying he'd get everybody's support but there is a large chunk of the population that would follow him. Another thing, unlike W, he's not afraid to fight back. I mean he said "Christianity is good for America" and there's a biased against the Christian faith. You'd have to be an idiot to think that doesn't fire up the Bible-thumpers in this country.

badger
7/20/2011, 10:43 PM
Emphasizing jobs would be a huge bonus to his campaign. Wish it was something Obama would have emphasized these last three years instead of Obamacare. :(

tommieharris91
7/20/2011, 11:23 PM
Mmmm... that "Rick Perry creates Jobs" claim is actually somewhat misleading. Texas is around the middle of the pack in unemployment rates by state right now at 8%. Oklahoma is 5th lowest in that stat at 5.3%.

I'm using May 2011 data. I'm almost certain June 2011 employment from the BLS will be released Friday. When that happens, data on this chart (http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_&met_y=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST480000&dl=en&hl=en&q=texas+unemployment+data#ctype=c&strail=false&nselm=s&met_y=unemployment_rate&fdim_y=seasonality:S&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&ccm=same&idim=state:ST360000:ST370000:ST380000:ST390000:ST4 00000:ST410000:ST420000:ST430000:ST450000:ST440000 :ST460000:ST470000:ST490000:ST500000:ST510000:ST53 0000:ST540000:ST550000:ST560000:ST010000:ST040000: ST020000:ST050000:ST060000:ST080000:ST090000:ST100 000:ST110000:ST120000:ST130000:ST150000:ST160000:S T170000:ST180000:ST190000:ST200000:ST210000:ST2200 00:ST230000:ST240000:ST250000:ST260000:ST270000:ST 280000:ST290000:ST300000:ST310000:ST320000:ST34000 0:ST330000:ST350000&ifdim=state&pit=1305867600000&hl=en&dl=en) should update. Or Google is a ****up and it won't.

The Profit
7/20/2011, 11:23 PM
So did Obama, which didnt stop the people from voting for his lies!




When I mentioned Perry in the same sentence with the word closet, my hidden emphasis was on the word "closet." It will all come out.

SicEmBaylor
7/20/2011, 11:48 PM
When I mentioned Perry in the same sentence with the word closet, my hidden emphasis was on the word "closet." It will all come out.

I have been somewhat less subtle.

Gandalf_The_Grey
7/21/2011, 12:58 AM
Now Now, we all know Republicans are known supporters of the Gay Community. I mean, ****, the freed the slaves!!!

MR2-Sooner86
7/21/2011, 06:06 AM
Mmmm... that "Rick Perry creates Jobs" claim is actually somewhat misleading. Texas is around the middle of the pack in unemployment rates by state right now at 8%. Oklahoma is 5th lowest in that stat at 5.3%.

I'm using May 2011 data. I'm almost certain June 2011 employment from the BLS will be released Friday. When that happens, data on this chart (http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_&met_y=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST480000&dl=en&hl=en&q=texas+unemployment+data#ctype=c&strail=false&nselm=s&met_y=unemployment_rate&fdim_y=seasonality:S&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&ccm=same&idim=state:ST360000:ST370000:ST380000:ST390000:ST4 00000:ST410000:ST420000:ST430000:ST450000:ST440000 :ST460000:ST470000:ST490000:ST500000:ST510000:ST53 0000:ST540000:ST550000:ST560000:ST010000:ST040000: ST020000:ST050000:ST060000:ST080000:ST090000:ST100 000:ST110000:ST120000:ST130000:ST150000:ST160000:S T170000:ST180000:ST190000:ST200000:ST210000:ST2200 00:ST230000:ST240000:ST250000:ST260000:ST270000:ST 280000:ST290000:ST300000:ST310000:ST320000:ST34000 0:ST330000:ST350000&ifdim=state&pit=1305867600000&hl=en&dl=en) should update. Or Google is a ****up and it won't.

And all Perry will have to say is, "48% OF POST-RECESSION JOBS WERE CREATED IN TEXAS, WHICH DOES NOT HAVE A STATE INCOME TAX (http://europeancourier.org/test/2011/06/18/48-of-post-recession-jobs-were-created-in-texas-which-does-not-have-a-state-income-tax/)."

He can then say something like, "Look over in Liberal Land, are they better off than us? Oh hell no! (http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/13/news/economy/california_texas_economy.fortune/index.htm)." "Oh yeah, California's businesses are coming here. (http://www.uncoverage.net/2011/02/carls-jr-headquarters-leaves-california-for-texas/)." "What housing bubble? (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503983_162-5002380-503983.html)."

Yes the unemployment is high but compared to other places likes Illinois, where their tax increases are well known, or California, it's much better. The only state it's tied with is New York, which is the 3rd most populous state after them, and all Perry will have to ask is, "Would you rather be in a state that taxes your income or not?" Massachusetts, New Jersey, D.C., and that whole area is tied with Texas in unemployment. Actually, those states are a little less.

Again, all he has to ask is, "Where are their jobs?"

Sure, the media can go after him for putting Creationist on the Texas School Board, rightfully so, but if the economy keeps on going like it is, big deal. All he'll have to do is say it's proof the "liberal media hates us Christians and is trying to bring us down and get us away from fixin' this economy." Bible thumpers everywhere rejoice and back him. Don't underestimate them either as the religious-right is a force not to take lightly.

As stupid as Ole Tex is, he sure knows how to play the game of politics. That retard has a chance against Obama and sadly he knows it.

The Profit
7/21/2011, 09:39 AM
I remember when Clinton was running against Bush the First, republicans made fun of the Arkansas employment numbers, which were actually good compared to the rest of the nation. Republicans laughed that the new Arkansas jobs were only low paying jobs.

Read this from one of America's premier economists. The story had some neat little charts, but I couldn't figure out how to bring them over. By the way, I colored the headline for dramatic effect, and Tommy; I will do almost anything on a dare.





More on the Texas Story
By Paul Krugman
New York Times

On further reflection, I think it’s possible to make the points I was trying to make in my post on Texas more clearly using – wait for it – supply and demand.


So, here’s a picture of the labor market in Texas, or any region:

Wait – where does that downward-sloping demand curve come from? Haven’t I argued that an overall fall in wages would do nothing to raise employment? The answer is, fallacy of composition. Any one region of the United States can increase employment by cutting wages relative to other regions; that’s very different from a cut in everyone’s wages. (And no, wage cuts don’t make American more competitive relative to other countries; we have a floating exchange rate, so it’s just offset by a rise in the dollar).

So, it’s supply and demand. Now suppose you see a rise in Texas employment relative to other regions. What’s causing it? Well, it could be either a rise in supply or a rise in demand (or, of course, both); the way you tell the difference is by asking what happens to wages.

A rise in supplySo the Rick Perry story is that by creating a business-friendly environment in Texas, he’s created lots of hiring in the state; so that’s the claim that it’s a rightward shift in the demand curve.

But in that case, where are the surging wages? Wage data by state is hard to compile, but I haven’t heard anyone claiming that Texas is drawing workers in by offering great wages; on the contrary, the state has a reputation for cheap labor.

So let’s suppose it’s a rise in supply instead. What could be causing that? Well, as I said, there are two, not mutually exclusive stories: immigration and high birth rates among immigrants, leading to rapid population growth; and workers moving to Texas despite low wages because of cheap housing and a generally low cost of living.

Neither of these stories is necessarily a bad thing. In particular, I’m all in favor of affordable housing; affordable housing is a friend of mine. But it’s not at all the Perry story.

And one more thing: yes, Texas has created more jobs over the past few years than other states; but that mainly reflects the ongoing trend produced by the stories I’ve just described. You only have the right to claim that Texas is somehow recession-proof if the pace of job creation had been maintained through the slump, at a rate sufficient to avoid a large rise in unemployment. And that hasn’t happened; as I said, Texas unemployment is comparable to New York.

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GrapevineSooner
7/21/2011, 10:04 AM
I couldn't get past the part that said 'Paul Krugman'.

tommieharris91
7/21/2011, 10:28 AM
I remember when Clinton was running against Bush the First, republicans made fun of the Arkansas employment numbers, which were actually good compared to the rest of the nation. Republicans laughed that the new Arkansas jobs were only low paying jobs.

Read this from one of America's premier economists. The story had some neat little charts, but I couldn't figure out how to bring them over. By the way, I colored the headline for dramatic effect, and Tommy; I will do almost anything on a dare.





More on the Texas Story
By Paul Krugman
New York Times

On further reflection, I think it’s possible to make the points I was trying to make in my post on Texas more clearly using – wait for it – supply and demand.


So, here’s a picture of the labor market in Texas, or any region:

Wait – where does that downward-sloping demand curve come from? Haven’t I argued that an overall fall in wages would do nothing to raise employment? The answer is, fallacy of composition. Any one region of the United States can increase employment by cutting wages relative to other regions; that’s very different from a cut in everyone’s wages. (And no, wage cuts don’t make American more competitive relative to other countries; we have a floating exchange rate, so it’s just offset by a rise in the dollar).

So, it’s supply and demand. Now suppose you see a rise in Texas employment relative to other regions. What’s causing it? Well, it could be either a rise in supply or a rise in demand (or, of course, both); the way you tell the difference is by asking what happens to wages.

A rise in supplySo the Rick Perry story is that by creating a business-friendly environment in Texas, he’s created lots of hiring in the state; so that’s the claim that it’s a rightward shift in the demand curve.

But in that case, where are the surging wages? Wage data by state is hard to compile, but I haven’t heard anyone claiming that Texas is drawing workers in by offering great wages; on the contrary, the state has a reputation for cheap labor.

So let’s suppose it’s a rise in supply instead. What could be causing that? Well, as I said, there are two, not mutually exclusive stories: immigration and high birth rates among immigrants, leading to rapid population growth; and workers moving to Texas despite low wages because of cheap housing and a generally low cost of living.

Neither of these stories is necessarily a bad thing. In particular, I’m all in favor of affordable housing; affordable housing is a friend of mine. But it’s not at all the Perry story.

And one more thing: yes, Texas has created more jobs over the past few years than other states; but that mainly reflects the ongoing trend produced by the stories I’ve just described. You only have the right to claim that Texas is somehow recession-proof if the pace of job creation had been maintained through the slump, at a rate sufficient to avoid a large rise in unemployment. And that hasn’t happened; as I said, Texas unemployment is comparable to New York.

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Here. (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/20/more-on-the-texas-story/?scp=3&sq=krugmna&st=cse) Anyway, he left a pretty big hole in this research. Refute this without anecdotes:

But in that case, where are the surging wages? Wage data by state is hard to compile, but I haven’t heard anyone claiming that Texas is drawing workers in by offering great wages; on the contrary, the state has a reputation for cheap labor.

and you've got something going.

The Profit
7/21/2011, 10:49 AM
Here. (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/20/more-on-the-texas-story/?scp=3&sq=krugmna&st=cse) Anyway, he left a pretty big hole in this research. Refute this without anecdotes:


and you've got something going.




Here is the actual link...With the charts, it will be easier for some of you to understand. Besides, my buddy Phil (from Lawton) like charts. He lives for them.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/20/more-on-the-texas-story/?scp=3&sq=krugman&st=cse

The Profit
7/21/2011, 10:51 AM
I have been somewhat less subtle.




Why? You get no debate points from being subtle.

BoomerJack
7/21/2011, 11:21 AM
The next Texas Governor that will be elected POTUS hasn't been born yet.

The Profit
7/21/2011, 11:26 AM
The next Texas Governor that will be elected POTUS hasn't been born yet.




That's what I'm talking about. When he is born, his name will be Jose' or something similar.

3rdgensooner
7/21/2011, 11:27 AM
That's what I'm talking about. When he is born, his name will be Jose' or something similar.Jesus?