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JiuJitsuSooner
7/13/2011, 03:20 PM
http://youtu.be/pnKd6iXHTQg


BAD ***!!

Turd_Ferguson
7/13/2011, 04:19 PM
CB's gonna post in here just to tell you .45's have no knock down power...:D

StoopTroup
7/13/2011, 04:55 PM
That thing gives me barrel rise

delhalew
7/13/2011, 06:34 PM
It's to bad our troops can't use that. Nato...:rolleyes:

Curly Bill
7/13/2011, 11:53 PM
CB's gonna post in here just to tell you .45's have no knock down power...:D

I'm not gonna say that at all, but unlike some of the old bastages on here I know that the .45 is not the pulveriser they would have you believe.

I'd rather have a .40 or a .357, and the 9mm isn't that far behind the .45 in terms of actual effectiveness.

But yeah, I do get a kick out of the old dudes, usually military types, that talk how the .45 will knock people head over heels even if ya just hit em in the thumb. :D

StoopTroup
7/14/2011, 12:25 AM
I never shoot people in their thumbs I always go for their wiener. The facial expressions are much different.

Curly Bill
7/14/2011, 12:27 AM
Well, if you shoot em in the wiener with a .45 it'll blow em plumb over a 20 foot wall. :D

WE ARE dirtburglars
7/14/2011, 12:33 AM
I almost took that one out on the range last time I was there. The rental price was too high for me tho that day. I went with the HK USP .45 instead. $1 rental day for those, couldnt pass that up.

GKeeper316
7/14/2011, 02:19 AM
I almost took that one out on the range last time I was there. The rental price was too high for me tho that day. I went with the HK USP .45 instead. $1 rental day for those, couldnt pass that up.

how did you like the hk...

i sold my sig (for a nice profit) and need a new handgun. hk is in the running, but leaning desert eagle right now.

Curly Bill
7/14/2011, 02:37 AM
how did you like the hk...

i sold my sig (for a nice profit) and need a new handgun. hk is in the running, but leaning desert eagle right now.

Why would you sell a Sig (even at a profit) to get an HK or a Desert Eagle?

Okla-homey
7/14/2011, 06:23 AM
http://youtu.be/pnKd6iXHTQg


BAD ***!!

"Re-invented" M3 sub-machine gun. Yawn.

jk the sooner fan
7/14/2011, 07:21 AM
I'm not gonna say that at all, but unlike some of the old bastages on here I know that the .45 is not the pulveriser they would have you believe.

I'd rather have a .40 or a .357, and the 9mm isn't that far behind the .45 in terms of actual effectiveness.

But yeah, I do get a kick out of the old dudes, usually military types, that talk how the .45 will knock people head over heels even if ya just hit em in the thumb. :D

i disagree entirely

i own 2 .45's and 4 .40's.....and one .44

while the .44 is in its own class - the .45 is far ahead of the .40's

C&CDean
7/14/2011, 07:33 AM
i disagree entirely

i own 2 .45's and 4 .40's.....and one .44

while the .44 is in its own class - the .45 is far ahead of the .40's

jk is correctamundo.

My brother has a .40 and I have a .45 auto. When we go blasting ****, there's really no comparison between the two. The .45 hits **** a LOT harder.

That being said, we both have .357s and they smoke either one. My fave is my Ruger .480 mag (brother has a .44). It's in it's own class as well.

jk the sooner fan
7/14/2011, 07:48 AM
several years ago - i had the opportunity to spend an afternoon with a member of the Houston Police Departments Major Crime Task force - as we drove up and down Telephone Road - we talked about his carry piece.

he was a bit rough around the edges in the way he spoke about the citizens of Houston - but told me a story about his "first shooting"....he used to carry a .45 and shot a man standing in front of a refrigerator.....he said it left a big hole in the fridge......so he switched to a .40

the .40 has knock down power and i think its considered the current "law enforcement round du jour"....

i dont care for the 9mm but i think a lot of people shoot it because the ammo is a little cheaper in bulk

what kills me is seeing the .44 in the short barrel - or hell, even the ultra carry .45's in the 3.5 inch barrel...i dont think you get much accuracy when you go "small with big"

Curly Bill
7/14/2011, 10:19 PM
i disagree entirely

i own 2 .45's and 4 .40's.....and one .44

while the .44 is in its own class - the .45 is far ahead of the .40's

BS...go study actual shooting results.

BU BEAR
7/14/2011, 10:23 PM
I was carried to Ohio in a swarm of bees

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 07:02 AM
BS...go study actual shooting results.

i've been shooting pistols for 20 years or so

i'll rely on what i personally know

C&CDean
7/15/2011, 07:10 AM
what kills me is seeing the .44 in the short barrel - or hell, even the ultra carry .45's in the 3.5 inch barrel...i dont think you get much accuracy when you go "small with big"

My .480 has an 8 1/2 inch barrell (it also has a scope) and my brother's .44 is in a 10 1/2 inch barrell. He's killed deer and javelina with his many times. One shot was ~100 yards and the pig dropped like a rock.

Don't argue with CB. He thinks our football coaches suck - so what could he know about anything?

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 07:18 AM
wow - 100 yards, i feel good when i rip out the center at 25 yards....a scope on a pistol just looks funny to me - i know for the gun you're describing its practical - but it looks silly as hell for some reason

C&CDean
7/15/2011, 07:30 AM
wow - 100 yards, i feel good when i rip out the center at 25 yards....a scope on a pistol just looks funny to me - i know for the gun you're describing its practical - but it looks silly as hell for some reason

Actually, it looks more gay than silly. Plus, it's heavier than hell. You've gotta have something to brace it on to shoot properly. Freehanded I can't hit **** with it. With a rest, I can drill a beer can pretty consistently from 50 yards.

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 07:38 AM
My .480 has an 8 1/2 inch barrell (it also has a scope) and my brother's .44 is in a 10 1/2 inch barrell. He's killed deer and javelina with his many times. One shot was ~100 yards and the pig dropped like a rock.

Don't argue with CB. He thinks our football coaches suck - so what could he know about anything?

Exagerate much? It only makes you look foolish.

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 07:39 AM
i've been shooting pistols for 20 years or so

i'll rely on what i personally know

Shot a lot of peeps in that time have ya? If you haven't I'll take the results of people that actually study the matter.

pphilfran
7/15/2011, 07:53 AM
imo there is not much difference in a 40 and a 45...

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 07:55 AM
imo there is not much difference in a 40 and a 45...


You must not be ex-military then, or maybe I should say old-timer military, because if you were you'd swear a .45 will knock someone over a mountain. ;)

pphilfran
7/15/2011, 07:56 AM
You must not be ex-military then, or maybe I should say old-timer military, because if you were you'd swear a .45 will knock someone over a mountain. ;)

Nope.....shoot a little and read a lot....

olevetonahill
7/15/2011, 07:58 AM
Never Fired a 40. shot the 45 a lot when I was in the Army, dint much care for it.

for what I want a handgun for my 357 Mag does all I need.;)

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 08:02 AM
Never Fired a 40. shot the 45 a lot when I was in the Army, dint much care for it.

for what I want a handgun for my 357 Mag does all I need.;)

For a personal defense handgun .357 and .40 are as good as it gets. These are results proven by experts that study actual shootings. I'll take that over those that get their results by shooting beer cans or whatever. ;)

...and I could give a flip what some hand-cannon does to whatever critter they wanna shoot with em. I want to shoot a critter I have rifles for that.

Turd_Ferguson
7/15/2011, 08:05 AM
http://oghgul.us/guns-n-politics/Images/image0044.jpg

olevetonahill
7/15/2011, 08:05 AM
For a personal defense handgun .357 and .40 are as good as it gets. These are results proven by experts that study actual shootings. I'll take that over those that get their results by shooting beer cans or whatever. ;)

...and I could give a flip what some hand-cannon does to whatever critter they wanna shoot with em. I want to shoot a critter I have rifles for that.

Kinda my thinkin , But I feed the critters I dont shoot em. I do however have some rifles.

I've had folks tell me "But I've got 17 rounds in this baby" . I simply say If I need moren 6 Im prolly dead.

Turd_Ferguson
7/15/2011, 08:07 AM
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4817/45acp.jpg

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 08:09 AM
http://oghgul.us/guns-n-politics/Images/image0044.jpg

FAIL...because they do make a .46 caliber and larger. :D

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 08:11 AM
the .40 can only sling a 180 grain bullet down range, the .45 can sling a 230 grain....granted a smaller bullet results in a higher muzzle velocity

the 1911 model is 100 years old - companies all over the world have copied it since Colt's original patent expired.....there's a reason for that

it's a pretty simple physics deal - a bigger bullet means a bigger hole

there's a reason you take a .300 win mag to shoot an elk instead of a .30-30

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 08:15 AM
and really - stopping power has much more to do with shot placement than anything - if i can put a .40s&w thru your heart, it'll do the same thing as a .45

the .40 vs .45 argument is really one of personal preference

the .45 is a bigger bullet - the .40 has to expand 13% of its original size to match the .45 unexpanded

you can hate on the .45 all you want and dismiss its attributes, but its a tad foolish

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 08:17 AM
the .40 can only sling a 180 grain bullet down range, the .45 can sling a 230 grain....granted a smaller bullet results in a higher muzzle velocity

the 1911 model is 100 years old - companies all over the world have copied it since Colt's original patent expired.....there's a reason for that

it's a pretty simple physics deal - a bigger bullet means a bigger hole

there's a reason you take a .300 win mag to shoot an elk instead of a .30-30

Bigger hole does not necessarily equate to greater energy expended on/in the desired target. Thus the greater proven effectiveness of the .40 at it's greater velocity, than the larger & heavier bullet of the .45, when coming into contact with a human target.

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 08:19 AM
do you have any idea where the 230 gr .45 acp got its roots?

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 08:19 AM
...and I don't hate on the .45 - it's a fine personal defense round. It is simply proven to not be as effective as the .40 or the .357 mag in actual shootings. Plus the hyperbolic statements that many of the old-timers make about the .45 are so stupidly exagerated as to make me laugh.

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 08:21 AM
...and I don't hate on the .45 - it's a fine personal defense round. It is simply proven to not be as effective as the .40 nor the .357 mag in actual shootings. Plus the hyperbolic statements that many of the old-timers make about the .45 are so stupidly exagerated as to make me laugh.

perhaps the old timer statements exist simply because the 1911 has been around for so long

polymer .40s being all the rage these days - they dont have the history that the 1911 does

and really - unless you can interview a person thats actually been hit with both a .357 and a .45 or .40 - how do you really know - the .45 has proven to be ineffective?

please provide a link/source to back this stupidly exaggerated statement that is making me laugh.....please, i'd love to read it

Turd_Ferguson
7/15/2011, 08:21 AM
...and I don't hate on the .45 - it's a fine personal defense round. It is simply proven to not be as effective as the .40 or the .357 mag in actual shootings. Plus the hyperbolic statements that many of the old-timers make about the .45 are so stupidly exagerated as to make me laugh.If I shot ya in the big toe with a 45, it would tear your hole damn lague off...















:D:D:D:D:D:D

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 08:22 AM
And I love the classic design of the .45 Some of the best looking handguns out there are .45's. I'd say that as much as anything is why they are so widely made.

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 08:23 AM
perhaps the old timer statements exist simply because the 1911 has been around for so long

polymer .40s being all the rage these days - they dont have the history that the 1911 does

and really - unless you can interview a person thats actually been hit with both a .357 and a .45 or .40 - how do you really know - the .45 has proven to be ineffective?

please provide a link/source to back this stupidly exaggerated statement that is making me laugh.....please, i'd love to read it


Provide a link to where I said the .45 was ineffective? I'd love to read that.

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 08:25 AM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qBD2U-iQL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0873646533/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link)

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 08:26 AM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Bvr1WShwL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/158160128X/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link)

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 08:26 AM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51W47KVQ4CL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0873648722/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link)

C&CDean
7/15/2011, 08:27 AM
I'll just take a link to where some "oldtimer" stated that the .45 will knock you over a mountain.

And I can provide a ****pot of links where you're hating on our coaches. Who's foolish?

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 08:28 AM
wow - book covers

lovely

i'm convinced!

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 08:30 AM
If I shot ya in the big toe with a 45, it would tear your hole damn lague off...















:D:D:D:D:D:D

Not only that, but it'd hit so damn hard all of your kids would feel it. Even the ones not born yet. :D

pphilfran
7/15/2011, 08:30 AM
You should move guns and ammo into your 1st page only mandate...

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 08:30 AM
...and I don't hate on the .45 - it's a fine personal defense round. It is simply proven to not be as effective as the .40 or the .357 mag in actual shootings. Plus the hyperbolic statements that many of the old-timers make about the .45 are so stupidly exagerated as to make me laugh.

"not as effective" - when compared to other calibers - is really the same as "ineffective"

this language lesson is brought to you by the letter C

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 08:31 AM
You should move guns and ammo into your 1st page only mandate...

why do you have to be such a dick? isnt that what you said to me one day?

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 08:31 AM
I'll just take a link to where some "oldtimer" stated that the .45 will knock you over a mountain.

And I can provide a ****pot of links where you're hating on our coaches. Who's foolish?

Round em up. Other than BV and BJW I don't rail that much on em. Although I don't walk around in my crimson glasses looking to wipe em after they finish their bizness either. ;)

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 08:32 AM
"not as effective" - when compared to other calibers - is really the same as "ineffective"

this language lesson is brought to you by the letter C

Not as effective = ineffective. Really...:confused:

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 08:33 AM
wow - book covers

lovely

i'm convinced!

Go read if ya want too, I don't care. Or you can go shoot some beer cans and **** and prove something.

pphilfran
7/15/2011, 08:38 AM
why do you have to be such a dick? isnt that what you said to me one day?

Yep, that's me....

You seem to think the 45 is an Atomic Annie of handguns when compared to a 40.....

The 45 probably has a little more punch but it's advantage is very little...

They are both fine handgun loads that serve an identical purpose with very similar results...

It is also understandable that folks that have shot a 45 for many years will not see a benefit in changing over to a 40...

I don't really have a dog in the hunt since I currently do not own a handgun...

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 08:38 AM
i dont shoot beer cans, but thanks for your input

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 08:39 AM
Yep, that's me....

You seem to think the 45 is an Atomic Annie of handguns when compared to a 40.....

The 45 probably has a little more punch but it's advantage is very little...

They are both fine handgun loads that serve an identical purpose with very similar results...

It is also understandable that folks that have shot a 45 for many years will not see a benefit in changing over to a 40...

I don't really have a dog in the hunt since I currently do not own a handgun...

i guess you didnt read where i wrote that i own TWO .45's and FOUR .40's

see, FOUR is more than TWO....and cleary indicative that i rilly rilly like the .40

pphilfran
7/15/2011, 08:42 AM
i guess you didnt read where i wrote that i own TWO .45's and FOUR .40's

see, FOUR is more than TWO....and cleary indicative that i rilly rilly like the .40

I never said you didn't like a 40...

All of the data available says that there is very little difference between the two loads...they will provide very similar results...they both slide nicely between a 357 mag and a 44 mag...

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 08:45 AM
and really - stopping power has much more to do with shot placement than anything - if i can put a .40s&w thru your heart, it'll do the same thing as a .45

the .40 vs .45 argument is really one of personal preference



i also said this - i dont see where i said that the .45 is the atomic annie of handguns

pphilfran
7/15/2011, 08:47 AM
i disagree entirely

i own 2 .45's and 4 .40's.....and one .44

while the .44 is in its own class - the .45 is far ahead of the .40's

You also said that...and that, by most accounts, is inaccurate...

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 08:47 AM
The Winchester online ammunition tool allows you to compare up to three bullets. The 40 S&W comes with a 180 grain bullet, while the 45 ACP comes in 230 grain. The 45 ACP is indeed a heavier bullet. Looking at velocity, we see that the 40 S&W comes out of the barrel at 990 fps (feet per second) while the regular pressure 45 ACP comes out at 885 fps. It takes the 45 ACP in +P to match the 40 S&W velocity. Next we have the power, which is measured in ft-lbs (energy in foot pounds). The 40 S&W has 392 ft-lbs while the normal pressure 45 ACP has 400 ft-lbs and the 45 ACP in +P has 500 ft-lbs. When it comes to knock down power the 45 ACP is far superior to the 40 S&W.

Is that it? Dose the 45 ACP win so easily against the 40 S&W? is it possible that the bullet designers in 1990 did such a bad job against the genius of John Browning? These are fair questions but the answer is no, because we are missing one very important data point--capacity.

The 40 S&W uses a much smaller cartridge to allow for higher magazine capacity. It was one of the lessons learned in Miami and the designers of the S&W wanted to give law enforcement officers a round that was more powerful than a 9mm with similar capacity. The goal was not to run out of ammunition in the middle of a gun fight. A 45 ACP cartridge typically rides in an 8 round magazine while the 40 S&W runs in double digests from 10 rounds to about 16.

you can now buy a .45 model with a double stack magazine

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 08:48 AM
You also said that...and that, by most accounts, is inaccurate...

really? you dont own a handgun now - how long has it been since you did and what calibers did you own/shoot?

pphilfran
7/15/2011, 08:53 AM
really? you dont own a handgun now - how long has it been since you did and what calibers did you own/shoot?

Mostly 357's...I was never big into handguns...wing shooter and slaughterer of prairie dogs...used a .223...aim on the low side and if you hit the dirt in front of them the rock shrapnel will get em....

olevetonahill
7/15/2011, 09:02 AM
HMMMM Dogs
RBlln_a-PTY

pphilfran
7/15/2011, 09:19 AM
HMMMM Dogs
RBlln_a-PTY

They never knew what hit em....:D

XingTheRubicon
7/15/2011, 09:21 AM
I always wondered what men with 2 inch wieners do in their spare time.

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 09:31 AM
I get pretty worked up on this sometimes, and I know others do too. I mean one of the main items of discussion in deer camps and such has always been what gun is better, shoots harder, most accurate, best deer killer, etc...Peeps and their handguns are no different. I prefer to carry a .40, do sometimes carry a 9mm, and would not mind carrying a .45 at all. I'd love to have a nice .45 in fact, a Kimber, or a custom Wilson would be sweet.

I've read quite a bit on the effectiveness of various handgun calibers, different bullet types, and went and looked at some more while ago, and I'm still convinced what I've already stated is correct. That being said: this is one of those areas that once someone believes something you're not likely to change their mind. In the gun realm there's probably not a more dedicated bunch than those dedicated to the venerable old .45, and no amount of studies, data, etc, etc.. is gonna change their mind that the .45 is the king. I don't think that, and they're not gonna change my mind to their way of thinking either.

But ya know what: most anyone that's into guns, carries one for self-defense, keeps one in the home for that purpose, hunts with them, shoots targets with em, collects em, or whatever is pretty much OK in my book. So, whatever you guys find to be your favorite weapon in the whole world, just keep on rockin! :D

Curly Bill
7/15/2011, 09:32 AM
I always wondered what men with 2 inch wieners do in their spare time.

Why don't you tell us then we'll all know. :D

Turd_Ferguson
7/15/2011, 09:34 AM
I always wondered what men with 2 inch wieners do in their spare time.Jerk sighting in 3...2...

pphilfran
7/15/2011, 09:42 AM
I always wondered what men with 2 inch wieners do in their spare time.

I was performing a service...the land owner didn't care for the damage they caused so they allowed me to take target practice on the property...I'd set up about 200 yards away...

olevetonahill
7/15/2011, 09:48 AM
I always wondered what men with 2 inch wieners do in their spare time.

I used to shoot sissies but the PoPos frown on that.

XingTheRubicon
7/15/2011, 09:55 AM
I was referring to the prairie dog video. Apparently some of you just assumed, for what reason I can't imagine, I meant you.

jk the sooner fan
7/15/2011, 09:58 AM
i made no assumptions....i'm very secure with my 3 1/2 inch penis and my guns

olevetonahill
7/15/2011, 10:00 AM
I was referring to the prairie dog video. Apparently some of you just assumed, for what reason I can't imagine, I meant you.

Much like My guns My lil weener satisfys ME :hot: