what a freakin shame...

[btk108]

http://www.newsok.com/austin-boxs-parents-get-answers-in-his-death-talk-about-his-life/article/3584862?custom_click=lead_story_title

just makes me cry.........

[SoonerofAlabama]

Doesn't change my opinion of what a great man this was.

[MamaMia]

Doesn't change my opinion of what a great man this was....nor mine. First off... I'm not a scientist and I haven't the first clue about medication components, nor what all can be combined or included in a pill or pill[s], and I'm sure he didn't either. He just wanted the pain to go away, and he probably didn't want to worry anyone so he self medicated and it caused an unexpected tragedy. Secondly...None of us know what physical pain he was suffering with, but it was bad enough that the pastor of his own church could tell when he was and wasn't in severe pain just by how he was standing and walking on the field in between plays. :(

My heart goes out to his loved ones, to all of us as well. He was so young. He will be missed and nobody even got a chance to say goodbye. I will always remember the good things about him, like the faith he had in the Lord and how he would lead his teammates in prayer.

[Peach Fuzz]

3 of those could have easily been in the same pill, they made it kind of seem like he took 5 different pills. Crazy to see someone I played against and my same age die :( RIP Box.

[Big D Sooner]

They don't make combo pills with those meds. I know that at least one is a metabolite of one of the others (oxymorphone is a breakdown product of oxycodone) but it is also available separately. Making a mistake doesn't make him a bad person. Good people do drugs too sometimes.

[WE ARE dirtburglars]

I know people personally who have stuggled with pain pill addiction and they are some of the best humans I know. I have no doubt that Box fits that mold too, I hope people are able to see past this addiction to the person that he really was.

[MamaMia]

3 of those could have easily been in the same pill, they made it kind of seem like he took 5 different pills. Crazy to see someone I played against and my same age die :( RIP Box.Plus. he may have taken them at different times. I would imagine that they would stay in your system for days. All the times I enjoyed him go after it on the field makes me feel bad now, knowing that he was in so much pain. During games when a player is down, my heart always drops. :(

My friends great grandmother got her pills confused and took a bad combination that cost her her life, and she was not addicted.

[Mad Dog Madsen]

RIP Austin Box... :(

[bmjlr]

Very sad...RIP Box!

[delhalew]

It's terrifying how well he hid the pill use from his parents.

[LVSOONER15]

Dang that sucks, still a great person and player. RIP Box

[SoCaliSooner]

It's terrifying how well he hid the pill use from his parents.

First of all, those combinations aren't generally in a single pill. Second, they are so hard on the respiratory system that people around him would have to notice him being a diff breather, extremely drowsy and at times completely looped. He wasn't getting any of those pills from a doctor either.

[soonervegas]

Terribly sad for the family. We all make errors in judgment sometimes....99.9% of the time they have no real long term effect, sometimes they are tragic.

[delhalew]

Terribly sad for the family. We all make errors in judgment sometimes....99.9% of the time they have no real long term effect, sometimes they are tragic.

Very tragic. We lose a lot of wonderful young people this way. Talk to your kids about how dangerous prescription drugs can be.

[badger]

They just released the report to the public.

Link (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OU/article.aspx?subjectid=92&articleid=20110712_92_0_NORMAN589310)

Box's parents talking about Austin is very heartwarming and sad at the same time :(

Best of Austin Box (http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154655) remains my favorite summer poll topic. :)

[soonersweetie]

Just makes me so sad.

I never knew you as a person, only as a player in a Sooner uniform. You were amazing to watch. But not at the expense of the severe pain you were in. May you have pain no more and enjoy playing the game with the great Sooners that have gone before you.

RIP Austin. You are missed, not just as a player, but as a good man and player who never wanted to let anyone down.

Boomer Sooner

[MyT Oklahoma]

Rest In Peace big guy. Thanks for the memories and we'll see you again some day on the other side.

[Balboa73]

" At least we now know what happened. He will be missed and I am sure the players will be playing hard for him this season"

[soonerloyal]

“For those of you that want to define Austin by his death, I'm here to tell you that he is to be defined by his life.” - Rev. Wade Burleson



Rest in pain-free peace, honey.

[meoveryouxinfinity]

It's crazy (and sad) that his parents didn't know. If he wasn't getting prescriptions for the drugs, that means he was paying good money for them on the street. I'm no psychologist but I'm sure his parents are thinking they should have known, should have been able to do something, etc. Which makes this situation all the more depressing.

Austin was probably in a lot of pain, but don't underestimate the addictive qualities of pain killers.

RIP

[BoulderSooner79]

I feel really bad for BV, if the stories are true that the coach talked Austin out of leaving football due to pain. I'm sure every coach has urged a kid to hang in there a bit longer and it's good life advice even if it doesn't work out on the field. But if I were the coach, I'm sure I'd be questioning myself in this case - it's just human nature.

[The Maestro]

My 14 year old son is playing organized, padded football for the first time in his life. He is playing linebacker for his freshman football team. He has already begged his coach for the number 12 in honor of Austin. Sure hope he gets it.

[bettersoonerthenlater]

My 14 year old son is playing organized, padded football for the first time in his life. He is playing linebacker for his freshman football team. He has already begged his coach for the number 12 in honor of Austin. Sure hope he gets it.

i hope he does as well just make sure he works hard and honors it

[Herr Scholz]

...oxymorphone, morphine, hydrocodone, hydromorphone and oxycodone with alprazolam.

Those are some heavy hitter painkillers. If a doctor prescribed all of these to him, his family should sue. Doesn't make sense to me that weed is illegal but this stuff is readily and legally available. What a shame. RIP.

[bettersoonerthenlater]

...oxymorphone, morphine, hydrocodone, hydromorphone and oxycodone with alprazolam.

Those are some heavy hitter painkillers. If a doctor prescribed all of these to him, his family should sue. Doesn't make sense to me that weed is illegal but this stuff is readily and legally available. What a shame. RIP.

agreed

[SCSoonerfan]

Regardless of what he took, it was an accident. Although I never met Austin, I will remember him and his family in my thoughts and prayers. From what I have read in the past as well as today, he was a fine young man and an fine football player. I will remember him most for his on field talents as that is all I got to know and I wish the pain and suffering his family is feeling will subside in time as they continue to come to know how much their son meant to so many people both on and off the field.

[tulsaoilerfan]

Someone should be prosecuted for this

[SoCaliSooner]

...oxymorphone, morphine, hydrocodone, hydromorphone and oxycodone with alprazolam.

Those are some heavy hitter painkillers. If a doctor prescribed all of these to him, his family should sue. Doesn't make sense to me that weed is illegal but this stuff is readily and legally available. What a shame. RIP.

People seem to be missing the point that he didn't have a scrip for any of these...let alone all 5.

[Section 9]

It is just a really, really sad situation. It is painful to watch replays of games and see Austin intercept a pass or make a good play. I feel so bad for his family. I hope they know how special Austin was to Oklahoma Sooner fans.

[jumperstop]

Maybe he just took them recreationaly and ****ed up in how much he took. Who's to say he was an addict?

[picasso]

...oxymorphone, morphine, hydrocodone, hydromorphone and oxycodone with alprazolam.

Those are some heavy hitter painkillers. If a doctor prescribed all of these to him, his family should sue. Doesn't make sense to me that weed is illegal but this stuff is readily and legally available. What a shame. RIP.

I've used hydrocodone before after hand surgery, it's child's play compared to some of the heavier stuff.
I'm guessing he added to what was already in his system. Sad sad story.

[Landthief 1972]

Chronic pain is a bitch. My daily dosage of hydrocodone is 45-60 kilograms a day, plus 1000 milligrams of etodolac, plus a cortisone shot every 8 weeks, plus Valterin rubbed onto any flareups on my joints, plus a weekly 50 milligram shot of Enbrel. Some days, I can barely get out of bed. I'm 39 and can't imagine having to live like this at his age and play football.

[picasso]

Chronic pain is a bitch. My daily dosage of hydrocodone is 45-60 kilograms a day, plus 1000 milligrams of etodolac, plus a cortisone shot every 8 weeks, plus Valterin rubbed onto any flareups on my joints, plus a weekly 50 milligram shot of Enbrel. Some days, I can barely get out of bed. I'm 39 and can't imagine having to live like this at his age and play football.

Is this for a back problem? I had Sciatica when I was 28 and couldn't put my socks on in the morning. I finally gave the Chiro a shot. Worked wonders.

[StoopTroup]

People seem to be missing the point that he didn't have a scrip for any of these...let alone all 5.

I think folks that have read the DOK and any of the other Stories regarding this can easily make that point. I think they are just trying to ignore your comments as Austin's Family are trying to make an even larger point. They were well educated in spotting drug use that somehow they missed something and as a result this tragic event that has occurred and not only have they lost a Son but their Son has lost his Dreams, His Girl Friend and his Family and friends.

They seem to be well aware that an investigation will possibly happen that will hopefully make some sense of all of this.

As if grieving the loss of a Son wasn't enough...not knowing how or why such a tragedy occurred is obviously tearing them up and they must also endure people who might imply their Son wasn't a person who would follow the law and illegally obtain Narcotics.

I don't think anyone here wants to believe that and you have twice mentioned it.

[stevo]

People seem to be missing the point that he didn't have a scrip for any of these...let alone all 5.

this


Maybe he just took them recreationaly and ****ed up in how much he took. Who's to say he was an addict?

this-er



don't underestimate the stupidity of youth and the allure of mind-altering substances. even "good kids" aim to get f**ked up sometimes...and don't realize what they are mixing and matching...

doesn't mean the kid was bad, or a degenerate junkie..i'm sure he wasn't...but i think some of you are glazing over the fact that he illegally sought out pills and unfortunately his lack of pharmacological knowledge led to his untimely demise. take the football worship out of it

now, go home and throw away all of your expired prescriptions and lock up what you have left. kids aren't smoking pot anymore...they're getting into your ambien, xanax, seroquil, cialis, hydrocodone, oxycontin, flexoril, etc...crushing and snorting your wellbutrin....things that you think they don't even know how to say are what they're working on now. cheap, easy to obtain, easy to replenish

[SoonerofAlabama]

kids aren't smoking pot anymore...they're getting into your ambien, xanax, seroquil, cialis, hydrocodone, oxycontin, flexoril, etc...crushing and snorting your wellbutrin....things that you think they don't even know how to say are what they're working on now. cheap, easy to obtain, easy to replenish

I don't even know what 85% of those are.

[stevo]

you're what - 15? Don't worry, give it 6 months and you'll be well versed in footballs and fairy dust.


just. wear. a. belt. and protect your beverage at. all. times.

[SoCaliSooner]

As if grieving the loss of a Son wasn't enough...not knowing how or why such a tragedy occurred is obviously tearing them up and they must also endure people who might imply their Son wasn't a person who would follow the law and illegally obtain Narcotics.

I don't think anyone here wants to believe that and you have twice mentioned it.

There is no "imply" about it. He wasn't any getting prescribed pain pills. He bought and used them illegally and apparently did everything he could to hide it from everybody.

Stevo nailed it. Good kids get high too. We don't have to somehow sugar coat it simply because he played for OU or was a nice kid. He OD'd on a combination of drugs that for the most part are heavy grade "getting high" stuff.

[yankee]

now, go home and throw away all of your expired prescriptions and lock up what you have left. kids aren't smoking pot anymore...they're getting into your ambien, xanax, seroquil, cialis, hydrocodone, oxycontin, flexoril, etc...crushing and snorting your wellbutrin....things that you think they don't even know how to say are what they're working on now. cheap, easy to obtain, easy to replenish

You should work for Fox News.

I'm pretty sure most of the people I know who smoke weed have no idea what the hell any of that is, nor do they want to give it a try. Relax. Prescription pain killer abuse is growing among kids/young adults, but a lot of people still don't do it!!!

[rainiersooner]

Chronic pain is a bitch. My daily dosage of hydrocodone is 45-60 kilograms a day.

You mean milligrams right??

At any rate, sorry for your pain - that sucks.

[Chiliman]

SoCal, what else are an expert in? Did you know Box? His family? I've read you spouting off on two boards like you know all the facts surrounding Austin's tragic death. There's nothing wrong with speculating but your 'know it all' attitude is so damn annoying.

[sooner518]

You mean milligrams right??

At any rate, sorry for your pain - that sucks.

he meant kilograms. he's in ALOT of pain. ;)

i cant imagine having to take pain meds that frequently. ive pulled muscles in my back and it hurt pretty bad for a few days, but i cant even fathom the pain being so bad as to need pills and injections, and that it just never goes away. sounds horrible

[Soonerfan88]

This is a tragic story and my prayers are with his family.

However, SoCali is correct. Did some of you read the story?

Although Austin had an injured back and experienced pain when he played and some discomfort at other times, he was not believed to be taking any painkillers prescribed to him by a doctor at the time of his death, his parents said.

Also, I find it hard to believe any respectable doctor or pharmacist would let him have all of those prescriptions at the same time.

As for Stevo's warning, she is talking about pharm parties. Kids get together and throw all the meds they could find, doesn't matter what they are, into a bowl and then pass it around. They eat these pills like candy, often washed down with alcohol, and don't care to learn about any possible side effects. Now they are moving on to crushing and snorting. Not saying all kids do it, but don't bury your head in the sand and think it won't be those you know just because they are 'good' kids.

[SoCaliSooner]

SoCal, what else are an expert in? Did you know Box? His family? I've read you spouting off on two boards like you know all the facts surrounding Austin's tragic death. There's nothing wrong with speculating but your 'know it all' attitude is so damn annoying.


I just find it intriguing, but not shocking that on these boards that when the article clearly states he had no prescription for any of it, people still trot out the "maybe a doctor prescribed it for pain". People just can't seem to wrap their minds around a kid getting high for no other reason than he wanted to get high. I know a bit more about this situation than you might think, actually quite a lot. Sometimes I guess people are so crimson color blind to call things how they are,

[Crimsontothecore]

Unless you've been living on another planet for several years, It's no secret that prescription pain pills are the most abused drug by young people these days. Apparently they can be bought on the street like candy.

Austin most likely became addicted while he was taking this stuff for the purpose of pain management. I understand people wanting to believe he was only taking them because he was in pain but I have to believe he would have them prescribed if that had been the case. Most people addicted to pain killers started out taking them under doctor supervision after an injury or surgery. The problem is that the addiction stays after the pain is gone and the doctor will no longer write you a script. That's when people get whatever they can get where ever they can get it.

This may not be the prettiest picture but the truth isn't always what we would like for it to be. I don't think it indicts Austin in any way as a person.

[badger]

More sadness :(


The drugs listed in Austin Box's toxicology report are not consistent with any legal prescriptions on file for the University of Oklahoma football player who died in May, El Reno Police Chief Ken Brown confirmed to the Tulsa World Wednesday morning.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OU/article.aspx?subjectid=92&articleid=20110713_92_0_NORMAN848299

[StoopTroup]

I think it's pretty sad a bunch of you are doing your own little Nancy Grace investigations.

A good kid is dead and if there is reason to persue a criminal investigation as to where all of those pain meds came from I'm sure the El Reno or Norman PD will find out. Maybe not.

I just think putting him on trial and speculating as to what happened shouldn't take place here. As many of you "Experts" have stated, there is a possibility it's just a bunch of kids playing Arm Chair Pharmacist with some really dangerous medications. If that's the case let's hope someone gives up some information that will help get it stopped. The fact that there were no other signs of additictive behavior should at least give you pause IMO and respect the fact that a lot of people loved and knew this young man and are racking their brains to figure out what happened to him.

Quit being judge and jury.

[Chiliman]

SoCal, you're missing my point. I agree he had no script, or @ least it is unlikely he did. But, you say you know more about THIS situation. Did you know him? His parents? His sisters? His roommates? His girlfriend? His close teammates? His close friends? I did and do. Therefore, unless you did, STFU. Your guessing is not fact. That is my problem with you. I am not naive and I dare say that it is likely I have considerably more education and life experiences than you. Notice I said, "likely" because I don't know for a fact. My guess is that you are in your 20's, have some education, grew up comfortably so you have a sense of entitlement, haven't raised a child, maybe not married and met Box a few times @ OU. Am I close? If not, I apologize.

[Mongo]

Someone should be prosecuted for this

no. no someone shouldnt.

someone should learn from this tragedy and make better life choices.

RIP AB

[StoopTroup]

no. no someone shouldnt.

someone should learn from this tragedy and make better life choices.

RIP AB

I think Austin's Family stated that they are involved in teaching kids the dangers of drug use. I seriously doubt addicted illegal users will learn a lesson. If anything I think high profile tragedies such as this one might put more pressure on police and DA's to be even tougher on folks who buy/sell or even give one of their medications to another person. If I was someone that had given a kid some of my RX or not reported it stolen at the very least I would be praying to God today that he have mercy on my soul and probably talking to police about how stupid I was for not saying something. If there are folks selling their RXs out there they should feel responsible for any death that occurs from stuff like this because they are enabling addicts who have no reason to be taking the drugs.

[BoulderSooner79]

I have no idea about all the details. But I did have a lower back injury that resulted in pain for months. Nothing like Austin as it required no surgery, but the pain was relentless 24x7 and it made sleep difficult and impacted every movement I made. I will forever sympathize with anyone suffering from chronic pain and especially back pain knowing that my little bout was nothing compared with what others endure.

[47straight]

Pray for Austin's family, go flush any expired pain medications you have, and lock up the others you do have so they won't end up in the street.

[SoCaliSooner]

My guess is that you are in your 20's, have some education, grew up comfortably so you have a sense of entitlement, haven't raised a child, maybe not married and met Box a few times @ OU. Am I close? If not, I apologize.

Captain in the L.A. County fire department who came up as a paramedic working the whole LA rave party scene and countless OD's, thirties, grew up not well off, believe you only get what you work for, married, 2 kids, never met Box, I know some of the medical personnel who are involved with the Box situation.

Troup simply believes OU players crap out gold bars. I know they are guys with the same issues and get high just like any other kids across the country. The lesson should be learned that good kids get high. I've never said anything bad about the guy or anything that isn't fact.

What would have happened if Norman PD had pulled him over with all those meds for which he had no prescription? He'd have been looking at several felonies.

[MamaMia]

Captain in the L.A. County fire department who came up as a paramedic working the whole LA rave party scene and countless OD's, thirties, grew up not well off, believe you only get what you work for, married, 2 kids, never met Box, I know some of the medical personnel who are involved with the Box situation.
Troup simply believes OU players crap out gold bars. I know they are guys with the same issues and get high just like any other kids across the country. The lesson should be learned that good kids get high. I've never said anything bad about the guy or anything that isn't fact.

What would have happened if Norman PD had pulled him over with all those meds for which he had no prescription? He'd have been looking at several felonies.How do you know these medical people are specifically involved in Austins Box's situation? I'm surprised with such strict H.I.P.A.A. laws in place that any medical personnel would be able to disclose, even that they are involved. :confused:

[SoCaliSooner]

How do you know these medical people are specifically involved in Austins Box's situation? I'm surprised with such strict H.I.P.A.A. laws in place that any medical personnel would be able to disclose, even that they are involved. :confused:

I haven't stated all I know or anything different than what is public knowledge. We've been discussing this on and off since the day it happened, and you are naive to believe medical people don't talk about who they work on. They're just not on a message board leaking details about specifics.

[Sooner_Tuf]

A blowhards work is never done.

[MamaMia]

I haven't stated all I know or anything different than what is public knowledge. We've been discussing this on and off since the day it happened, and you are naive to believe medical people don't talk about who they work on. They're just not on a message board leaking details about specifics. I'm naive to believe that medical people don't talk about whom they "work" on? Not hardly. My daughter is a licensed paramedic, my mom was a nurse, as are several members of my family, I have many family members and friends who are doctors of all kinds, I'm married to a man who is a dentist and nobody I know gossips and blabs about cases, patients or clients. I live in an area that has about a dozen dentists and no heath care provider in this town 'talks' without receiving the proper medical release. We cant even disclose whether or not a certain patient is or has been a patient of ours.

My husband would never even put another health care provider in the position of having to be reminded of the H.I.P.A.A. law and thankfully, we have never been approached for information. I don't know how you Hollywood types up there in California conduct business but here in Oklahoma the H.I.P.A.A. law is something I have only seen as a law that is taken very seriously.

[AlboSooner]

oxymorphone, morphine, hydrocodone, hydromorphone and oxycodone with alprazolam.


How in the world does one get all of these controlled substances? If you're taking these opioid drugs, and mixing them like this, you're beyond the "my back hurts" excuse. Those are extremely potent, extremely controlled, drugs.

[AlboSooner]

First of all, those combinations aren't generally in a single pill. Second, they are so hard on the respiratory system that people around him would have to notice him being a diff breather, extremely drowsy and at times completely looped. He wasn't getting any of those pills from a doctor either.

you are absolutely correct, not just correct, but absolutely correct. I deal with these drugs almost daily, as my profession.

[SoCaliSooner]

How in the world does one get all of these controlled substances? If you're taking these opioid drugs, and mixing them like this, you're beyond the "my back hurts" excuse. Those are extremely potent, extremely controlled, drugs.

Save your breath. It's all about hipaa and how he must have had a doctors note and pain in this thread. Don't go spouting off about facts.

[SoCaliSooner]

you are absolutely correct, not just correct, but absolutely correct. I deal with these drugs almost daily, as my profession.

Sir, I only have some pharmacology and push meds. I must know nothing about pills and contraindications and narcan and stuff.

[MamaMia]

Save your breath. It's all about hipaa and how he must have had a doctors note and pain in this thread. Don't go spouting off about facts. Maybe there needs to be an investigation to find out who involved with the Austin Box case is mouthing off to some dude who backs up what he says on a message board by disclosing he has been given privileged information.

[Chiliman]

SoCal, I get it now. Public servant holier than thou I'm smarter about everything attitude. Typical, take a lot of general knowledge, apply it to an event or person you know nothing about and claim you know all the facts about the event. I guess that what message boards are for. Tell me, are you on the boards during work hours and giving the taxpayers their money's worth?

[AlboSooner]

Sir, I only have some pharmacology and push meds. I must know nothing about pills and contraindications and narcan and stuff.

Firefighters are well versed and know quite a bit on issues like this. Doesn't surprise me a bit you knew that those compounds are not mixed together by drug companies, hospitals or other labs.

Even AB should have known not to mix those compounds. RIP, nonetheless. I don't judge him.

[SoCaliSooner]

Maybe there needs to be an investigation to find out who involved with the Austin Box case is mouthing off to some dude who backs up what he says on a message board by disclosing he has been given privileged information.

Sure. Have somebody explain to you how HIPAA is relevant to a deceased patient especially when discussing the ME report and cause of death.

[Chiliman]

Sure. Have somebody explain to you how HIPAA is relevant to a deceased patient especially when discussing the ME report and cause of death.

SoCal, you are such an azz. Belittling someone with your superior knowledge. How much time do you spend on the message boards during work. Two boards nonetheless. Look at me! Look at me! I'm going to show everybody what I know @ the expense of a dead young man! Aren't I something!?

[SoCaliSooner]

SoCal, you are such an azz. Belittling someone with your superior knowledge. How much time do you spend on the message boards during work. Two boards nonetheless. Look at me! Look at me! I'm going to show everybody what I know @ the expense of a dead young man! Aren't I something!?

Easy there. One of my close firefighter friends had a daughter at UCLA on an academic scholarship who OD'd. She had a full ride and a 4.1 gpa. It happens to all circles and all walks of life.

I have a rebuilt ACL in my left knee, rebuilt right shoulder from a torn labrum and rotator cuff and I'm currently rehabbing a torn ACL and PCL in my right knee, torn hamstring and torn ligament in my right thumb. Had surgery in April but prior injuries make it extremely painful just to get up in the morning. On top of that I'm looking at another knee surgery on my right knee in September or October.

I've been prescribed ungodly amounts of pain medication, yet none of it compared to what AB was taking. I also can get refills whenever I want or need but haven't taken anything stronger than advil since late April.

I work on a USAR team that gets deployed across the globe during a disaster. I had to sit out a deployment to New Zealand and one to Japan. Nothing is worse than knowing your team is missing you and there's nothing you can do about it.

Almost every guy I work with has had their body ground into the dirt from this occupation, so I can speak with experience about dealing with chronic pain from about 20 years in this job.

At some point you gotta call the Austin situation like it is. Everybody in this thread who knows the meds he took and knows their effects understands that he wasn't taking them for physical pain and has posted as much. Fans of a player who know nothing about the power of these meds want to somehow tell us we don't know what we are talking about.

Point out where I've said anything bad about this guy. I feel for ya man. Some things are hard to deal with, but even his folks are taking the approach of educating kids about this, but you need to put an honest face on it.

[Crimsontothecore]

I swear some of you people amaze me. The FACT is Box had 5 different meds in his system and had prescriptions for none of them. But still you attack anyone who dares to conclude that maybe, just maybe this kid was one of several million other young people who actually took these pills for recreation instead of for pain control. How dare anyone think an OU player could have made some bad decisions. I think it's sad that some of you think being a Sooner fan means you have an obligation to stick your head in the sand, ignore the obvious, and toss out intelligent reasoning any time an OU player makes a mistake. Pathetic!

[BoulderSooner79]

I swear some of you people amaze me. The FACT is Box had 5 different meds in his system and had prescriptions for none of them. But still you attack anyone who dares to conclude that maybe, just maybe this kid was one of several million other young people who actually took these pills for recreation instead of for pain control. How dare anyone think an OU player could have made some bad decisions. I think it's sad that some of you think being a Sooner fan means you have an obligation to stick your head in the sand, ignore the obvious, and toss out intelligent reasoning any time an OU player makes a mistake. Pathetic!

It's just as logical to conclude that AB became addicted to pain meds as a side effect of treatment than it is to conclude it was recreational. I've certainly read of such cases and even know a person this happened to. Maybe these 2 circumstances are considered the same, but in talking to the person I know about it, avoiding withdrawal is not very recreational. All I know is that a promising young life has ended and he didn't get the help he obviously needed to avoid the tragedy.

[CowboyMRW]

Mods should /thread. Fighting over AB being addicted or using them recreationally doesn't do anything. OU nation and the Box family suffered a great tragedy as parents should never have to bury their children. But this isn't helping the recovery any fighting over what he was doing with these drugs.

[SoCaliSooner]

At least people are discussing the issue.

[MamaMia]

Sure. Have somebody explain to you how HIPAA is relevant to a deceased patient especially when discussing the ME report and cause of death. My intentions are not to be rude about this, and I mean no offense, but it would appear as if you are the one who needs to be schooled in the importance of the H.I.P.A.A. law. Breaking that law has serious ramifications. This is still an ongoing investigation. When you are involved in that investigation its not legal to speak about it to anyone, not even a fireman chum in California. I am a former investigator. My husband is a dentist therefore I am very educated about the H.I.P.A.A. law. Its so important that many licensed fields require you to take periodic refresher courses on this law.

If this person, who you say is medically involved in this case, then she or he has no business conveying any information to you, not even that they are involved. Its just not proper behavior for you to come on a message board and backup your self proclaimed 'expertise' by telling us that you have chums involved in this case, especially on a message board. Unless you are directly involved with this case, which you aren't, you shouldn't have any more information about it than the general public does.

[StoopTroup]

SoCali, you should go start a thread on the Oval discussing whatever angle you wish to spin on the big picture instead of continue to upset people on the Football Board. When Fans of other Schools are on here giving you the same advice as many SoonerFans, you think you'd get the hint instead of the last word.

[Curly Bill]

I swear some of you people amaze me. The FACT is Box had 5 different meds in his system and had prescriptions for none of them. But still you attack anyone who dares to conclude that maybe, just maybe this kid was one of several million other young people who actually took these pills for recreation instead of for pain control. How dare anyone think an OU player could have made some bad decisions. I think it's sad that some of you think being a Sooner fan means you have an obligation to stick your head in the sand, ignore the obvious, and toss out intelligent reasoning any time an OU player makes a mistake. Pathetic!

Well said.

I've purposely kept out of this thread because if you dare to even hint that an OU player may not be a perfect angel you will be demonized by many on here.

I don't know what happened, but I'm glad some of you finally brought up at least the possibility that in this case hero worship might not be in order.

[SoCaliSooner]

This is still an ongoing investigation. When you are involved in that investigation its not legal to speak about it to anyone, not even a fireman chum in California. I am a former investigator. My husband is a dentist therefore I am very educated about the H.I.P.A.A. law. Its so important that many licensed fields require you to take periodic refresher courses on this law.

So... What exactly did I say that wasn't in the article or public knowledge?

[MamaMia]

So... What exactly did I say that wasn't in the article or public knowledge? You said..."I know some of the medical personnel who are involved with the Box situation." Lets not be disingenuous.

[Peach Fuzz]

Reminds me of incoming freshmen that have a story about everything, only it's better than yours.

Or at a party where there is always that one-upper than knows everyone and has tried everything.... and it's like this in every thread he graces his knowledge with.

[StoopTroup]

You said..."I know some of the medical personnel who are involved with the Box situation." Lets not be disingenuous.

Right on.

What if Cops are speculating that Austin did have a stash from previous surgeries?

What if they find out he had a Doc in Houston prescribe him one or two of those drugs because he understood how he was under a microscope in Norman or at Home and he had legitimate cause to have the Prescriptions but kept the visit quiet and there's no record in the State of Texas? What if he did it in arkansas and Kansas and Colorado? What if he got them legitimately but for celebrity sake it was kept quiet because of his Mom and Dad? What if it was an accidental OD?

So many things happen in this World. Most Docs have folks sign agreement to not seek out medications from other Docs these days. What if he'd just had those and hadn't disposed of the old meds from a prior surgery like SoCali has admitted to doing? Is he a bad guy or a guy with a problem or a self meditating kid who made a fatal mistake.

I'm just not going to speculate.

Hero Worship. I can't even believe it was said.

[Curly Bill]

I guess you're gonna tell me when the words: Hero Worship became dirty words? Or I guess you have some sort of alternative universe explanation how that's more imflammatory than many other things said around here??

[Chiliman]

I guess you're gonna tell me when the words: Hero Worship became dirty words? Or I guess you have some sort of alternative universe explanation how that's more imflammatory than many other things said around here??

I don't think it is totally a case of hero worship. Obviously he had an issue or issues. But to claim that his death was definitely due to "A-B-C", as all the pharmacy experts claim, is ridiculous. Nobody knows for sure! Some signs point to some possible long term abuse, many don't. It could have been a case of him just wanting to get high or a combination of wanting to get and some ongoing abuse. Nobody knows!


The reason that the pontificating by the pharmacy experts is rubs many the wrong way is apparent. Do you think if Austin and his family were not well thought of there would be this seemingly outpouring of grief and support? Sure, being an OU football player is a part of that. But I was @ the funeral. The minister has told me that there were 12,000 hits on their server during the funeral; that there were over a thousand people @ the funeral; and that the funeral has been watched over 10,000 times since. I have driven by the Box home several times in the last few weeks. There are still daily visitors. Look @ the news stories that have been done about him. If your on these
boards, there are countless accounts of fans telling their experiences or their children's experiences meeting Austin. If it is "hero worship", it is in part because a kind young man left this earth too soon. Not just an OU football player.

It (the pontificating) is more inflammatory than usual because the young man is dead. He didn't have a bad game and fans are ripping on him. He is dead.

[Crimsontothecore]

It's disturbing that so many of you here are more concerned with defending Box as a person than you are admitting that maybe his bad decisions led to his death. If my kids were still college age, I would want this tragedy to be a red flag warning about the dangers of prescription pain pills when they are abused or used for recreation. In the end, the only good that can come from Austins death is that maybe it will scare some young people out there and make them think twice if they are ever offered these pills at a party or something.

The argument of whether he obtained the meds by prescription or off the street makes no difference. It doesn't matter if he used them for recreation or because he was addicted either. The fact is, he made poor choices. If he was addicted, he should have seeked help instead of feeding the addiction. If he used for recreation, bad choice. If all those pills were legitimate prescriptions, he should have taken them as prescribed.

Many of you want to spin this situation into some unrealistic scenario that relieves Box of any responsibility whatsoever for his own death. That simply isn't true no matter how many "what if's" you throw out there.

[dynersooner]

that would drive me NUTS to have 30 kids on a basketball team!!! holy ish! that poor coach. i bet those parents drove him to drink! thats the REAL hero of this story. champ, did you know that man?

[StoopTroup]

The fact is, he made poor choices. If he was addicted, he should have seeked help instead of feeding the addiction. If he used for recreation, bad choice. If all those pills were legitimate prescriptions, he should have taken them as prescribed.

Many of you want to spin this situation into some unrealistic scenario that relieves Box of any responsibility whatsoever for his own death. That simply isn't true no matter how many "what if's" you throw out there.

I know for a fact my original plea regarding this was to do exactly what your last paragraph states...

Don't spin this.

I made no Hero statements. I heard a Mother who is a counselor and close to her Son state that they really had no reason to suspect he had any serious drug addiction and that they are racking their brains about what was possibly missed.

Now...I guess you could ask how close was she to her 23 year old Son and did he have others around him that did have problems? Again things you would think any investigation might reveal. Instead people who seem to know how every OD case happens are speculating and lumping this kid into the group of kids who's parents or friends gave up on trying to stop their kids from using. What I hear is a kid that cared about what people thought about him and was trying to get through some really difficult moments in his life. How did he go about that? So far all anyone had is speculation and BTK's original statement of "what a shame" really says it all IMO.

[picasso]

It's disturbing that so many of you here are more concerned with defending Box as a person than you are admitting that maybe his bad decisions led to his death. If my kids were still college age, I would want this tragedy to be a red flag warning about the dangers of prescription pain pills when they are abused or used for recreation. In the end, the only good that can come from Austins death is that maybe it will scare some young people out there and make them think twice if they are ever offered these pills at a party or something.

The argument of whether he obtained the meds by prescription or off the street makes no difference. It doesn't matter if he used them for recreation or because he was addicted either. The fact is, he made poor choices. If he was addicted, he should have seeked help instead of feeding the addiction. If he used for recreation, bad choice. If all those pills were legitimate prescriptions, he should have taken them as prescribed.

Many of you want to spin this situation into some unrealistic scenario that relieves Box of any responsibility whatsoever for his own death. That simply isn't true no matter how many "what if's" you throw out there.

Well no ****. There's also a thing called tact.

You nor I know if he was using them recreationally or for his obvious injuries.
Self medicating is never the answer. Sad story.

[StoopTroup]

Very sad.

[Mississippi Sooner]

I can tell you that when I was in my early 20s I was doing a lot of foolish things, some of which could have cost me my life, and my parents didn't have a clue.

[Chiliman]

A parent losing a child is horrific. Austin was very close to his parents and sisters. Rarely did a week go by in the off season that he didn't come home or they went to Norman, even if it was just for dinner. His parents never missed a game, home or away. He was very close to his sister, Whitney, as she was in under grad and grad school until May of 2010. I think this only intensifies their grief. It probably intensifies any guilt they have for possibly missing something with their son.

[dynersooner]

why wouldnt they just seperate them into 2 teams of 8, and 2 of 7, and let them play?

the more i think about this, i think that coach was trying to stack is team.

i mean, at teh very least, you go two of 15 kids each, right???

[stevo]

I'm naive to believe that medical people don't talk about whom they "work" on? Not hardly. My daughter is a licensed paramedic, my mom was a nurse, as are several members of my family, I have many family members and friends who are doctors of all kinds, I'm married to a man who is a dentist and nobody I know gossips and blabs about cases, patients or clients. I live in an area that has about a dozen dentists and no heath care provider in this town 'talks' without receiving the proper medical release. We cant even disclose whether or not a certain patient is or has been a patient of ours.

My husband would never even put another health care provider in the position of having to be reminded of the H.I.P.A.A. law and thankfully, we have never been approached for information. I don't know how you Hollywood types up there in California conduct business but here in Oklahoma the H.I.P.A.A. law is something I have only seen as a law that is taken very seriously.



My intentions are not to be rude about this, and I mean no offense, but it would appear as if you are the one who needs to be schooled in the importance of the H.I.P.A.A. law. Breaking that law has serious ramifications. This is still an ongoing investigation. When you are involved in that investigation its not legal to speak about it to anyone, not even a fireman chum in California. I am a former investigator. My husband is a dentist therefore I am very educated about the H.I.P.A.A. law. Its so important that many licensed fields require you to take periodic refresher courses on this law.

If this person, who you say is medically involved in this case, then she or he has no business conveying any information to you, not even that they are involved. Its just not proper behavior for you to come on a message board and backup your self proclaimed 'expertise' by telling us that you have chums involved in this case, especially on a message board. Unless you are directly involved with this case, which you aren't, you shouldn't have any more information about it than the general public does.


wait, what exactly does your husband do? i'm not sure you clarified. i just want to have all the facts

[dynersooner]

wrong thread.

[Herr Scholz]

So, anyone know where he might've gotten his painkillers since they weren't apparently prescribed? I doubt they're readily available in Enid. Nobody seems to be asking that question.

[picasso]

So, anyone know where he might've gotten his painkillers since they weren't apparently prescribed? I doubt they're readily available in Enid. Nobody seems to be asking that question.

He was in El Reno, suburb of OKC. And honestly, you can get those things anywhere these days. Maybe even easier in smaller towns.

[SoonerHoops]

So, anyone know where he might've gotten his painkillers since they weren't apparently prescribed? I doubt they're readily available in Enid. Nobody seems to be asking that question.


Haven't been to Enid lately, have you?

[stevo]

So, anyone know where he might've gotten his painkillers since they weren't apparently prescribed? I doubt they're readily available in Enid. Nobody seems to be asking that question.



i can get you a toe by 3:00



and a fistful of percodan.

[Herr Scholz]

Scary. No, I've never been to Enid.

[BoulderSooner79]

I went to the ER a few years back for a badly sprained ankle. I got a prescription for vicodin from the ER doc on the spot. Another guy in the ER waiting room offered to buy the stuff from me if I could just buy it from the pharmacy conveniently located right next door. I was in Boulder at the time, but it could have been AnyHospital, USA. After knee surgery, I got a prescription of stuff and I only used about 25% of it before throwing it away. Docs will prescribe it like candy and you really only have to ask if you want more.

[sooner KB]

Yes, pharmaceutical drugs are very easy to come by everywhere, even in small towns. Pills can be easily and inconspicuously sold and transported (pills look innocent and can be passed off as anything, as opposed to a brick of weed). It doesn't need to be secretly grown and transported from somewhere like Mexico. Someone just needs a prescription and they can use and/or sell. I know in Oklahoma, Oxycontin is sold for around $30 a pill.

A lot of these drugs can even be bought online from countries like India. Also, I'd like to point out, since everyone has been implying that all of these drugs are painkillers, that Aprazolam (AKA Xanax), is not a painkiller. It's usually prescribred for anxiety and sometimes for insomnia.

[StoopTroup]

I notice the toxicology report didn't reveal any street drugs like MJ, crack, heroin or meth. I don't know how well Austin was financially but by the looks of that report he would have had to have found someone with at least 5 different prescriptions and I'd think if had this huge problem that folks are implying a prescription of oxycontin would have cost $900 on the street. If you know all the strengths available on the street for each of those drugs we could possibly figure out just how much he was spending on his drug habit. Of course he could hide a $1000-5000 drub habit from his parents and his girl friend and friends. :rolleyes:

Maybe in time we might hear some real story that actually supported with evidence.


One thing that gets me is that the amount of time those medications stay in the bloodstream to register on a toxicology report. It would seem that he would have had to have taken all five of those pretty close together for them to appear like they did. I don't know how hard it would be to actually find all five on the street at the same time? My guess is someone is hiding a lot of information for him to have gotten those on the street. I find it very difficult to believe he hid a problem like that. It's so hard to believe a poor college kid was able to buy all that.

He was obviously using for pain. If he was doing it to party you would have seen other drugs IMO. The guy had injuries. It's pretty Obvious he was a chronic suffer at the worst.

[Crimsontothecore]

So, in conclusion:

1. Only rich kids can be addicted.
2. College kids can't hide their activities from their parents.
3. Chronic pain sufferers routinely chose to get their meds somewhere other than from a prescribing physician. That would be too easy.

I'm waiting for Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny to be mentioned in all this.

[soonerloyal]

What's ultimately most disturbing is that there's a fricking argument about this young man's death at all. ESPECIALLY on a Sooner fan message board.

How incredibly ill-bred and disappointing.

[SoCaliSooner]

So, in conclusion:

1. Only rich kids can be addicted.
2. College kids can't hide their activities from their parents.
3. Chronic pain sufferers routinely chose to get their meds somewhere other than from a prescribing physician. That would be too easy.

I'm waiting for Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny to be mentioned in all this.
4. Oklahoma has a prescription drug problem, but people on prescription drugs will say there's no problem

[bettersoonerthenlater]

agreed come on guys this is a thread for austin and his fans/family lets not ruin it with all this austin u will be missed this season should be for u!

[SoonerofAlabama]

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[dynersooner]

wait, what exactly does your husband do? i'm not sure you clarified. i just want to have all the facts

WAS THIS EVER RESOLVED!?!?!

(btw, i think her husband travels alot, whatever he does.or at teh very least, isnt home much.)

[SoonerofAlabama]

He is a Dentist.

[stevo]

holy sh*t!! well then, that's a different story! she's absolutely got the authority to pontificate on the subject.

*quietly steps back*


sorry I got into a fight in the middle of your black panther partyyyy

[stevo]

hey mama, don't be secretive and neg me - let's get this in the open! wait, am i violating privacy laws by disclosing that???!


p.s. i know i'm adorable...you don't have to tell me that twice *wink and a thumbs up*

[MamaMia]

You're whining about neg? Thats kinda risky. :P

[SoCaliSooner]

You're whining about neg? Thats kinda risky. :P

If only we had an investigator to start an investigation.


If


Only.

[stevo]

You're whining about neg? Thats kinda risky. :P

risky? please explain

[stoopified]

To be in that kind of chronic pain and continue to play and practice and go to school,graduating shortly before his death makes me ashamed of times I let pain stop me from living my life. I pray that God comforts Austin' family and his girlfriend,I can not imagine the depth of their pain.

[sooner KB]

I notice the toxicology report didn't reveal any street drugs like MJ, crack, heroin or meth. I don't know how well Austin was financially but by the looks of that report he would have had to have found someone with at least 5 different prescriptions and I'd think if had this huge problem that folks are implying a prescription of oxycontin would have cost $900 on the street. If you know all the strengths available on the street for each of those drugs we could possibly figure out just how much he was spending on his drug habit. Of course he could hide a $1000-5000 drub habit from his parents and his girl friend and friends. :rolleyes:

Maybe in time we might hear some real story that actually supported with evidence.


One thing that gets me is that the amount of time those medications stay in the bloodstream to register on a toxicology report. It would seem that he would have had to have taken all five of those pretty close together for them to appear like they did. I don't know how hard it would be to actually find all five on the street at the same time? My guess is someone is hiding a lot of information for him to have gotten those on the street. I find it very difficult to believe he hid a problem like that. It's so hard to believe a poor college kid was able to buy all that.

He was obviously using for pain. If he was doing it to party you would have seen other drugs IMO. The guy had injuries. It's pretty Obvious he was a chronic suffer at the worst.

I don't think the only two possible scenarios are having an expensive, extensive drug habit or taking 5 or 6 different types of pills (including one that is not a painkiller) purely because of physical pain.

I'm not going to speculate on what happened, because it seems impossible to know for sure. I've known plenty of people with very extensive drug habits that were dirt poor. First off, most drugs really aren't that expensive. I heard from a relative that mine that has an unfortunate drug problem that oxycontin pills cost around $30 a pill in Oklahoma, but he said they were cheap in other parts of the country. Austin could have been getting them somewhere else. Many of the other types of drugs could have been cheap. I know you can find Xanax on the street for around $1 a pill.

Also, someone can have a drug habit, but not an extensive one, as you put it. Some people may take one lortab ($2?) and drink a few beers one night, snort an oxycontin the a couple nights later, etc. Just because he was found with 5 different drugs in his body, doesn't mean he was taking all 5 every day. If he was, he would have been dead long ago. The point is, you don't have to be rich to have a drug problem. It's also pretty easy to conceal drug habits from people if you really want to. It's much harder to keep it from someone you are living with, but I haven't heard that Austin was living with his girlfriend.

There are also many people out there that take drugs like this recreationally, similar to the way a lot of people drink alcohol. They do it on the weekends, or they do it whenever a friend brings over the pills. Perhaps it's the case that Austin had a buddy that brought over drugs every once in a while. Maybe this night the friend (who was on too many drugs at the time) told him it would be ok to take all 5 pills. Perhaps the mistake Austin made was trusting his friend.

Look, I know it seems like a crappy thing to do to speculate that a former Sooner may have had a drug habit, but in this case it just seems so much more likely than taking all 5 or 6 drugs at once purely for pain. If he was in that much pain, I would say it would be far more difficult to conceal the pain than it would be to conceal a drug habit.

And as far as those of you that think this is somehow wrong to discuss: I don't think there is anything wrong with discussing the circumstances of a tragic death, especially if it sheds light on an issue like drug abuse. Can you imagine a world where every time someone dies from something drug-related, everyone turned a blind eye and called it "disrespectful?" People need to understand issues like this so it doesn't keep happening.

Sure, it may be disrespectful to talk about it around the mother within a certain time frame of her son's passing. If I were around Austin's mother in real life, I would refrain from talking about it. But this is a public message board, and the burden is on the user to avoid discussion he or she feels is "wrong." In other words, if you think it's wrong, stay out of the thread. You have a nice little "prayers/thoughts" thread for Austin you can go to.

[Crimsontothecore]

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[Crimsontothecore]

And as far as those of you that think this is somehow wrong to discuss: I don't think there is anything wrong with discussing the circumstances of a tragic death, especially if it sheds light on an issue like drug abuse. Can you imagine a world where every time someone dies from something drug-related, everyone turned a blind eye and called it "disrespectful?" People need to understand issues like this so it doesn't keep happening.



Amen

[stevo]

I don't think the only two possible scenarios are having an expensive, extensive drug habit or taking 5 or 6 different types of pills (including one that is not a painkiller) purely because of physical pain.

I'm not going to speculate on what happened, because it seems impossible to know for sure. I've known plenty of people with very extensive drug habits that were dirt poor. First off, most drugs really aren't that expensive. I heard from a relative that mine that has an unfortunate drug problem that oxycontin pills cost around $30 a pill in Oklahoma, but he said they were cheap in other parts of the country. Austin could have been getting them somewhere else. Many of the other types of drugs could have been cheap. I know you can find Xanax on the street for around $1 a pill.

Also, someone can have a drug habit, but not an extensive one, as you put it. Some people may take one lortab ($2?) and drink a few beers one night, snort an oxycontin the a couple nights later, etc. Just because he was found with 5 different drugs in his body, doesn't mean he was taking all 5 every day. If he was, he would have been dead long ago. The point is, you don't have to be rich to have a drug problem. It's also pretty easy to conceal drug habits from people if you really want to. It's much harder to keep it from someone you are living with, but I haven't heard that Austin was living with his girlfriend.

There are also many people out there that take drugs like this recreationally, similar to the way a lot of people drink alcohol. They do it on the weekends, or they do it whenever a friend brings over the pills. Perhaps it's the case that Austin had a buddy that brought over drugs every once in a while. Maybe this night the friend (who was on too many drugs at the time) told him it would be ok to take all 5 pills. Perhaps the mistake Austin made was trusting his friend.

Look, I know it seems like a crappy thing to do to speculate that a former Sooner may have had a drug habit, but in this case it just seems so much more likely than taking all 5 or 6 drugs at once purely for pain. If he was in that much pain, I would say it would be far more difficult to conceal the pain than it would be to conceal a drug habit.

And as far as those of you that think this is somehow wrong to discuss: I don't think there is anything wrong with discussing the circumstances of a tragic death, especially if it sheds light on an issue like drug abuse. Can you imagine a world where every time someone dies from something drug-related, everyone turned a blind eye and called it "disrespectful?" People need to understand issues like this so it doesn't keep happening.

Sure, it may be disrespectful to talk about it around the mother within a certain time frame of her son's passing. If I were around Austin's mother in real life, I would refrain from talking about it. But this is a public message board, and the burden is on the user to avoid discussion he or she feels is "wrong." In other words, if you think it's wrong, stay out of the thread. You have a nice little "prayers/thoughts" thread for Austin you can go to.

you stop makin' them there rat'n'l posts 'round these parts! no skit!

[MamaMia]

risky? please explain Don't whine about neg. Just neg me back. I would be very happy to exchange negs with you however many times you want. ;)

[Mongo]

CATFIGHT!!!!!

[A Sooner in Texas]

This is quite the thread, isn't it? Arguing over whether a young man who died far too soon and who gave his all for the football team we all love was addicted to painkillers or mistakenly took too many because of his pain is, at this point, moot. What does it really matter now? Hopefully his death will prevent at least one other young person from dying the same way. Perhaps that will, in time, console his grieving parents, sister and friends.

As to the amount and number of drugs in his system when he died - autopsy reports are public record. Especially in a criminal investigation, which is what this has now become.

I hope law enforcement figures out quickly how Austin got all these drugs and prosecute to the fullest extent anyone who illegally sold or gave them to him.

[AlboSooner]

I hope law enforcement figures out quickly how Austin got all these drugs and prosecute to the fullest extent anyone who illegally sold or gave them to him.

lol. yeah they'll get right on that. they can't even keep up with the big fish in the state, let alone trying to find some small timer who sold AB pain killers. cops in our state are great at one thing: traffic violations.

[Chiliman]

[QUOTE=sooner KB;3292915]

I'm not going to speculate on what happened, because it seems impossible to know for sure.

Look, I know it seems like a crappy thing to do to speculate that a former Sooner may have had a drug habit, but in this case it just seems so much more likely than taking all 5 or 6 drugs at once purely for pain.

Yea you pompous ***, don't speculate.

[MamaMia]

[QUOTE=sooner KB;3292915]

I'm not going to speculate on what happened, because it seems impossible to know for sure.

Look, I know it seems like a crappy thing to do to speculate that a former Sooner may have had a drug habit, but in this case it just seems so much more likely than taking all 5 or 6 drugs at once purely for pain.


Yea you pompous ***, don't speculate. He would not of had to of taken them all at once for them to be detected in his system.

[sooner KB]

He would not of had to of taken them all at once for them to be detected in his system.

That's a good point. I still don't see why he would need 6 different types, but then again I'm no doctor. A guess to me the biggest red flags are that one of the drugs (Xanax) is not a painkiller, and the fact that he obtained the drugs illicitly instead of going to a doctor and getting a script.

[StoopTroup]

It's what I've tried to say since I 1st posted in this thread.

You can tell what football season is going to look like already. Looks like James Hale is paying people to come here and kill this message board. So far so good.

[SoCaliSooner]

It's what I've tried to say since I 1st posted in this thread.

You can tell what football season is going to look like already. Looks like James Hale is paying people to come here and kill this message board. So far so good.

You just needed to say it 30 times in 40 different indecipherable rants.

[Crimsontothecore]

You just needed to say it 30 times in 40 different indecipherable rants.

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[dynersooner]

It's what I've tried to say since I 1st posted in this thread.

You can tell what football season is going to look like already. Looks like James Hale is paying people to come here and kill this message board. So far so good.

[tag] jamyes hayle steals from teh burger kings to give to the iw posters [tag]

[AlboSooner]

FOLKS!

[Partial Qualifier]

This thread's Rockin' and Rollin' and things!

[Chiliman]

That's a good point. I still don't see why he would need 6 different types, but then again I'm no doctor. A guess to me the biggest red flags are that one of the drugs (Xanax) is not a painkiller, and the fact that he obtained the drugs illicitly instead of going to a doctor and getting a script.

It didn't necessarily have to be 5 different pills. It could have been a couple but that was the eventual breakdown or composition.

[StoopTroup]

It didn't necessarily have to be 5 different pills. It could have been a couple but that was the eventual breakdown or composition.

You are wasting your time. Valiant effort though.

[SoCaliSooner]

It didn't necessarily have to be 5 different pills. It could have been a couple but that was the eventual breakdown or composition.

What "couple" might those be?