Fast & Furious

[jk the sooner fan]

have we had a contentious discussion about this ATF operation on this here message board?

[My Opinion Matters]

No.

I don't think so.

What the hell are you talking about?

[tator]

Have they made Fast and Furious 17 yet?

[Aldebaran]

Is that a porno, a video game, or a movie?

[jk the sooner fan]

No.

I don't think so.

What the hell are you talking about?

there's a pretty good article in the last issue of American Rifleman about it - i'll try and recap it as best i can

the administration (there is some disagreement whether this actually started under Bush - but its definitely taken off under the current administration), in an effort to prove that illegal gun sales were being used in crimes across the border in Mexico - initiated the Fast and Furious operation

in short - the ATF would monitor illegal gun sales in the U.S. (presumably in border towns/states) and then allow the guns to be walked into Mexico - and then wait for them to show up in a cartel related crime of violence

the mexican government was never brought into the fold -and the Treasury IG issued a ruling that they thought the operation was a horrible idea/plan

but on it went - even though many of the field agents and SACs were against it

then true to form - a gun used in a murder is traced back to an illegal sale


now the thing is blowing up in the face of ATF and the justice department

one of the things pointed out in the article was that it didnt make sense that a cartel leader - who moves billions of dollars of drugs and weapons around the world - would take the time to say "hey, we hear Joe's Gun Shop in Tuscon is a little loose with their registration paperwork, we want you to go in there and get us a gun for a crime we've got planned for later"

something like that

[SoCaliSooner]

That ATF honcho who testified before Issa on July 4th with only his personal attorney has allegedly made some damning statements about other agencies using taxpayer money to buy those guns that went to mexico.

Somehow I expect this to be blamed on the prior administration...

[jk the sooner fan]

That ATF honcho who testified before Issa on July 4th with only his personal attorney has allegedly made some damning statements about other agencies using taxpayer money to buy those guns that went to mexico.

Somehow I expect this to be blamed on the prior administration...

yep

[Aldebaran]

Jon Stewart had a great segment about it a few weeks back.

http://vodpod.com/watch/11524043-daily-show-fast-and-furious-atf-plan

[SoCaliSooner]

one of the things pointed out in the article was that it didnt make sense that a cartel leader - who moves billions of dollars of drugs and weapons around the world - would take the time to say "hey, we hear Joe's Gun Shop in Tuscon is a little loose with their registration paperwork, we want you to go in there and get us a gun for a crime we've got planned for later"

something like that

My take is that this was supposed to expose how easy it is to get guns in the US, thus causing knee jerk backlash and further gun laws.

[My Opinion Matters]

there's a pretty good article in the last issue of American Rifleman about it - i'll try and recap it as best i can

the administration (there is some disagreement whether this actually started under Bush - but its definitely taken off under the current administration), in an effort to prove that illegal gun sales were being used in crimes across the border in Mexico - initiated the Fast and Furious operation

in short - the ATF would monitor illegal gun sales in the U.S. (presumably in border towns/states) and then allow the guns to be walked into Mexico - and then wait for them to show up in a cartel related crime of violence

the mexican government was never brought into the fold -and the Treasury IG issued a ruling that they thought the operation was a horrible idea/plan

but on it went - even though many of the field agents and SACs were against it

then true to form - a gun used in a murder is traced back to an illegal sale


now the thing is blowing up in the face of ATF and the justice department

one of the things pointed out in the article was that it didnt make sense that a cartel leader - who moves billions of dollars of drugs and weapons around the world - would take the time to say "hey, we hear Joe's Gun Shop in Tuscon is a little loose with their registration paperwork, we want you to go in there and get us a gun for a crime we've got planned for later"

something like that

Oh, that. I just had an exhausting discussion with my neighbor about that. I couldn't possibly talk about it again here.

[Curly Bill]

My take is that this was supposed to expose how easy it is to get guns in the US, thus causing knee jerk backlash and further gun laws.

Yup

[Aldebaran]

My take is that this was supposed to expose how easy it is to get guns in the US, thus causing knee jerk backlash and further gun laws.

Hahaha... Yeah... That's the Fox news boogyman du jour. :pop:

[jk the sooner fan]

My take is that this was supposed to expose how easy it is to get guns in the US, thus causing knee jerk backlash and further gun laws.

without involving Mexico at all in the plan, i cant think of any other reason they'd do it

[SoCaliSooner]

Hahaha... Yeah... That's the Fox news boogyman du jour. :pop:

You'd have to know how the ATF is run. I have a family member with them and the stuff they do with approval is staggering. You really don't hear much about them unless they are botching a raid or effing up some investigation.

I'm fine with them handling alcohol and tobacco....but they always manage to eff up with guns.

[jk the sooner fan]

the ATF - the agency that investigates 3 LEGAL things.... lol

actually i worked with ATF in the past - and the agents were good guys

[GDC]

Have they made Fast and Furious 17 yet?

The most recent one was very entertaining.

[cccasooner2]

Sharon Stone makes a good gunfighter.

[Mongo]

Is that a porno, a video game, or a movie?

my love making style

[soonerchk]

And The's masturbation style.










I can't believe Dyner made me type that. The shame.

[sooner_born_1960]

That's the same thing to mongo.

[Mongo]

self love counts

[soonerchk]

That's the same thing to mongo.

OMG, Mongo is rubbing one out for The????














I'm sorry, Socali made me type that.

[mgsooner]

kids with guns
kids with guns
taking over
and it won't be long

[captain_surly]

My take is that this was supposed to expose how easy it is to get guns in the US, thus causing knee jerk backlash and further gun laws.

I agree 100%. Obama and Holder know they can't get anything anti gun passed by congress so they're trying to drum up enough support to do something through BATFE regulations. See the proposed shotgun importation ban that all gun owners should be up in arms about.





the ATF - the agency that investigates 3 LEGAL things.... lol

actually i worked with ATF in the past - and the agents were good guys

Don't forget explosives, they regulate those as well. And I have no doubt that most of the agents are decent public servants but the agency itself is an abomination that doesn't get nearly enough scrutiny from congress.

[Mongo]

OMG, Mongo is rubbing one out for The????










I'm sorry, Socali made me type that.

way to take it too far