Koch Bros and others!

[Whet]

are all implicated by a Soros funded "non-partisan" organization, Common Cause, as evil in their efforts to save Obamacare. It is an interesting read about how the obamacare supporters are colluding to try to keep obamacare from failing in the Supreme Court.

If you noticed, the Koch brothers have been in the news for the past few months, as evil big money donors looking to thwart the political system in the US. This article finally shines some light on the hows and whys the left is trying to demonize Koch brothers, Clarence Thomas, and others.

I have read a few posts here where the OP spouts off about the evil Koch brothers, so maybe this article will provide some insight into what the left is doing and, from the posts here, how some are falling for the scheme.

http://spectator.org/archives/2011/06/28/a-question-of-ethics-a-common/


A Question of Ethics: A Common Lie in a Common Cause
By Jeffrey Lord on 6.28.11 @ 6:08AM

"If Justice Thomas does not recuse himself and the Court rules [against Obamacare], I will be making the point that this is not a credible decision."
-- Ex- Congressman Anthony Weiner in February of this year.

Riddle me this, Batman.

What do talk radio, a think tank, a Tea party supporter, the U.S. Supreme Court and a pair of billionaire brothers from Kansas have in common?
It's Obamacare, stupid.

To borrow from the Zen of James Carville (who summed up the sound and fury of the looming 1992 presidential campaign in one pithy and eventually famous phrase: "it's the economy, stupid"), there is a reason these five distinctly separate sets of people or institutions have recently and mysteriously come under a series of brutal attacks on their integrity.

And what do the attackers have in common?

That's right. A tie to funding from George Soros. And a false claim of "non-partisanship." Which is to say, a lie.

Which, in a way they surely did not intend, makes their very existence a very considerable question of ethics.

So, let's start with the basics with which all are familiar.

• March 24, 2007: Illinois Senator Barack Obama, campaigning for president at a forum sponsored by SEIU (Service Employees Union International) says: "My commitment is to make sure that we've got universal health care for all Americans by the end of my first term as president." The pledge -- along with others of a similar nature -- is captured on videotape here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk).
• March 23, 2010: President Obama signs the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (aka "Obamacare") into law. The signing comes after a massively controversial fight, and legal efforts to repeal it arise almost immediately.
• November 2, 2010: Liberals lose control of the House of Representatives, plus several Senate seats and governorships, as the GOP sweeps the off-year elections in a campaign focused on repealing Obamacare.

So. The table is set.

But what are we seeing as we look back on all of this? Who were key players -- and who are the people positioned to become key players in the fight to repeal ObamaCare?
There are at least five.... To give you a taste of the article.

It is worth the time to read this article!

[Phantasm]

I've noticed those Koch references in the posts of a few lefty posters 2.

[hawaii 5-0]

Knowing that they're John Birchers is enough for me to not like them.


I'm not a proponent of Big Fatcats and corporations buying politicians, judges, Presidents, etc. regardless of their politics.

Is there someone out there not on the take?


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Trump/ Biggles 2012

[Phantasm]

That was an excellent read! Thanks for the link. Those Huff Post and Daily Kos readers should spend some time to read this article, to see how they are being used to push the progressive agenda. Book'em Dano

Hey whet - is your avi from the memorial at the Punch Bowl?

[soonerscuba]

Oh good, another one.

[Mongo]

in before the nazi comments

[tommieharris91]

George Soros must not be a convicted felon anymore. Whet didn't say he was this time.

[Whet]

in before the nazi comments

You were close, John Birch Society has already been mentioned.

[Whet]

George Soros must not be a convicted felon anymore. Whet didn't say he was this time.

Sorry, the convicted felon, George Soros. ;)

[hawaii 5-0]

"One of the founding members[21][22][23] was Fred Koch,[24] founder of Koch Industries, one of the largest private corporations in America"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society



Ain't just whistlin' Dixie..........



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Trump/ Fred 2012

[Whet]

"Ain't just whistlin' Dixie..........


You know that is SicEm's theme song!

[hawaii 5-0]

You know that is SicEm's theme song!




:P




Trump/ Stonewall 2012

[SoCaliSooner]

"One of the founding members[21][22][23] was Fred Koch,[24] founder of Koch Industries, one of the largest private corporations in America"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society



Ain't just whistlin' Dixie..........



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Trump/ Fred 2012

So...they're Birchers AND Nazi's? Even though Birchers are diametrically opposed to Nazi/socialism, I guess it's irrelevant when using labels.

[hawaii 5-0]

So...they're Birchers AND Nazi's? Even though Birchers are diametrically opposed to Nazi/socialism, I guess it's irrelevant when using labels.



I said nothing about Nazis.



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Trump/ Frodo 2012

[SoCaliSooner]

I said nothing about Nazis.



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Trump/ Frodo 2012

Others on this board wrote virtual essays on how they are Nazi's....for real Nazi's. All the Koch haters can't even get their facts straight.

[hawaii 5-0]

Others on this board wrote virtual essays on how they are Nazi's....for real Nazi's. All the Koch haters can't even get their facts straight.



You addressed your response to me, alluding I lumped Birchers and Nazis in the same barrel. In fact I did nothing of that sort.

Keep spinnin'.


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Trump/ Topper 2012

[StoopTroup]

Some news from February....lol

Big Money Behind Scott Walker And Union Busting Traced To John Birch Co-Founder

There is big money and huge organizations behind Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker and his attempts to take away rights of middle income Americans. Think Progress has the history and background.

Walker has deeply entwined his administration with the Bradley Foundation. The Bradley Foundation’s CEO, former state GOP chairman Michele Grebe, chaired Walker’s campaign and headed his transition. But more importantly, the organizations lining up to support Walker are financed by Bradley cash.

These include the MacIver Institute, the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute, and the astroturf group Americans for Prosperity, all of whom worked to elect Walker. We are talking about extreme views that have their roots in the far-right John Birch Society, co-founded by Bradley Foundation founder Harry Bradley.

Harry, along with his older brother Lynde, started the Allen-Bradley company, a major manufacturer of electronics and engine parts. After a bitter strike in 1939, Harry became increasingly political. Although his company boomed because of World War 2-era contracts from the government, Harry abhorred any intrusions into his business: especially labor organizers (who he termed “communists” in his memoirs), as well as pressure to hire women and minorities in his plants, a move he resisted until his death. Responding to the civil rights movement and liberalism in society, Harry became obsessed with right-wing politics. According to scholar William Schambra, Harry even studied Lenin and Stalin for ideas on how to wage guerrilla warfare against the left. He joined candy manufacturer Robert Welch to be one of the founding members of the John Birch Society (along with Fred Koch, the father of Koch Industries executives Charles and David Koch), and financed other right-wing firebrands.

Bradley made $290 million when his company was sold, and that money has been used to fund his vision of America.

The money has gone on to finance ideas held strongly by Harry Bradley: anti-affirmative action scholars, anti-multiculturalism books (the Bradley Foundation underwrote the notoriously racist book The Bell Curve), anti-welfare campaigns, privatization efforts, neoconservative fronts, and tens of millions for groups opposed to public and private sector unions, particular in the field of education. As conservative writer Al Regnery has observed, conservatives have relied on the Bradley Foundation to finance the backbone of radical policy ideas that first take root in Wisconsin but are then championed by Republicans around the country. Gov. Scott Walker’s current fight to crush labor rights in Wisconsin is the fulfillment of Harry Bradley’s John Birch Society dream.

http://www.alan.com/2011/02/21/big-money-behind-scott-walker-and-union-busting-traced-to-john-birch-co-founder/

[StoopTroup]

Since the Birch Society is in Wisconsin it's not hard to just throw out a possibility like the above when they go after Collective Bargaining.

The Birch Ideals have been around so long it's wild that Wisconsin voters aren't more cautious of it's possible influence into deep thinkers with tons of money who suddenly show interest in Politics especially a specific candidate...

[hawaii 5-0]

Elsewhere I just saw on TV where the Kochs bought out the school board of Raleigh, NC so they could strike down anti-segregation policies.

It sure fits their John Birch theme.


Also a bunch of Republican Governors last weekend met at a retreat in Vail held by the Kochs to get their new marching orders.




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Trump/ Rosco 2012

[StoopTroup]

Here's a good one.....which one of you is a sock puppet? :D

10. March 2011


Are the Koch brothers rewriting Wikipedia?

Beside screwing with EPA regulations – meddling in Wisconsin – and courting Supreme Court Justices - what else are the Koch brothers up to now? Try rewriting Wikipedia. ThinkProgress has uncovered evidence that the Koch’s employed a PR firm to act as a “sockpuppet” for them on websites.

A “sockpuppet” is Internet lingo to refer to someone who creates a fake online identity to hype up himself or herself or a company they work for on message boards or social networking sites. If a sockpuppet is found out – it usually leads to the person’s account being disabled. The Koch’s “sockpuppet” edited their several Wikipedia pages to remove any references to the Tea Party – hype up George Soros conspiracy theories – and delete any citations to progressive media outlets – essentially scrubbing the Internet of any potentially embarrassing or damning facts about the Kochs.

The Kochs have contracted with dozens of PR firms – they are BILLIONAIRES – to ensure their political agenda is kept under wraps. But thanks to some great reporting nowadays – these guys aren’t in the shadows anymore.

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2011/03/are-koch-brothers-rewriting-wikipedia

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Thanks, Whet. Those who go along with those transparent attacks by the Left who post on this message board would be wise to read the article.

[StoopTroup]

Then the puppets get the ban....lol

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/03/09/149408/koch-wikipedia-sock-puppet/

[StoopTroup]

Thanks, Whet. Those who go along with those transparent attacks by the Left who post on this message board would be wise to read the article.

Who cares. Wise. They would be wise to read the entire internet too I suppose?

[StoopTroup]

I'm just posting what seems to be hot on google about it all.

[StoopTroup]

Since February or march it seems nobody cared though....

Koch brothers, Christian chicken-sellers besieged by thuggish liberal criticism

When corporations dabble in politics, the Constitution says you aren't allowed to boycott or protest them

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/02/03/koch_chick_fil_a_liberals

[StoopTroup]

I like their Waffle Fries.

[hawaii 5-0]

Now they want to do away with college students' right to vote.

They think they aren't smart enough to make a thoughtful decision.


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Trump/ Swardboy 2012

[StoopTroup]

When you say they do you mean Limbaugh or Koch Bros or George Soros or Obama or Bachman or Palin or Romney and his other Morman/running mate that worked for Obama and probably helped Mitt with the MA Romneycare?

It's all so confusing....:D

[hawaii 5-0]

When you say they do you mean Limbaugh or Koch Bros or George Soros or Obama or Bachman or Palin or Romney and his other Morman/running mate that worked for Obama and probably helped Mitt with the MA Romneycare?

It's all so confusing....:D


I think the college thing came from the legislature in Maine. Not positive which state introduced the bill.


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Trump/ Spineless 2012

[StoopTroup]

You know.....if you are ultra rich isn't it and hasn't it been the brighter thing to give about the same amount to both campaigns as you don't really want to end up on the bad side of one or the other once the final count is in?

That being said if a Current Administration finds out you are behind funding a huge campaign against their number one project is it a shock that you might face some criticism for getting involved in a project that was ear marked to help the little guy?

Wouldn't it be smarter and money well spent on hiring lobbyists to work on things for you instead of people to work the internet and Wiki?

Who the hell would do this stuff these days knowing that so many other things more important need attention, like being able to wash a greater amount of chicken waste down stream?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

9 igs in a row. Is it a record?

[diverdog]

Others on this board wrote virtual essays on how they are Nazi's....for real Nazi's. All the Koch haters can't even get their facts straight.

Socali they are union busters. If it were up to them you would be making $5 a hour as a public employee. You could also kiss that disabilities check goodby.

[sappstuf]

"One of the founding members[21][22][23] was Fred Koch,[24] founder of Koch Industries, one of the largest private corporations in America"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society



Ain't just whistlin' Dixie..........



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Trump/ Fred 2012

Which of the two Koch Brothers that you keep referring to is Fred?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I sent the link to most on my email list. It is an important article to read in proparation for the continuing fight.

[REDREX]

Which of the two Koch Brothers that you keep referring to is Fred?
---Fred was the Dad---Fred Jr. is the oldest brother

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Now they want to do away with college students' right to vote.

They think they aren't smart enough to make a thoughtful decision.


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Trump/ Swardboy 2012

College students are dumb. When I was a college student, I listened to Rush Limbaugh.

[sappstuf]

---Fred was the Dad---Fred Jr. is the oldest brother

Ohh.. So the dad was a Bircher, not the Koch Bros we keep hearing about....

Some people have a hard time with facts but certainly like the guilt by association tactic..

[The Profit]

Ohh.. So the dad was a Bircher, not the Koch Bros we keep hearing about....

Some people have a hard time with facts but certainly like the guilt by association tactic..




I believe the brothers are Birchers, too.

[REDREX]

Fred Jr. is supposed to be light in the loafers if that helps the argument

[sappstuf]

I believe the brothers are Birchers, too.

You also believed that Obama was going to be a good president so.... I'm going to need to see a link that isn't to thinkprogress.org...

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

College students are dumb. When I was a college student, I listened to Rush Limbaugh.stupid card on Rush Limbaugh. Haven't seen that one in a while. GOOD WORK!

[Sooner Tri]

Elsewhere I just saw on TV where the Kochs bought out the school board of Raleigh, NC so they could strike down anti-segregation policies.

It sure fits their John Birch theme.


Also a bunch of Republican Governors last weekend met at a retreat in Vail held by the Kochs to get their new marching orders.


How exactly does someone "buy out" a school board? And how much does it cost?

[Bourbon St Sooner]

stupid card on Rush Limbaugh. Haven't seen that one in a while. GOOD WORK!

Well hey, I watched Keith Obermann too.


Of course, he was on SportsCenter at the time.