Dear Mr. Hannity....

[StoopTroup]

She's a Flake.

http://hypervocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Bachmann2-400x300.jpg

[yermom]

she's got the spirit of John Wayne Gacy in her

[soonercruiser]

Won't matter who it is.....the liberal lemmings will flock to attack whomever opposes their Messiah!

[StoopTroup]

It gets as chilly in Iowa as any State that gets bad weather....lol

http://dave.csonka.net/gallery/d/51-2/snow_flake.jpg

[Mongo]

lol

[StoopTroup]

I swear....I really do hope she gets the RNC nod. The Debates will be awesome.

[StoopTroup]

Everybody always agrees with the things Sean brings up. It's amazing.

[MsProudSooner2]

Won't matter who it is.....the liberal lemmings will flock to attack whomever opposes their Messiah!

If she happens to get the nomination, there will be people of every political spectrum attacking her - and it wouldn't matter who she ran against.

[mgsooner]

Bachmann/O'Donnell 2012

[hawaii 5-0]

I wanna see her birth certificate. She can't be of this planet.


5-0



Trump/ Zim 2012

[yermom]

at least Condy wasn't a moron.

[SpankyNek]

at least Condy wasn't a moron.

Elizabeth Dole, Laura Bush, Sandra Day O'Connor, Margaret Thatcher, etc...

Why cant the current Republican party find a woman that isn't constantly putting foot to mouth?

[hawaii 5-0]

Dems are sexist. Find a strong conservative woman and they try to put them back in the kitchen. No other explanation.



How 'bout the fact that she's totally clueless?



5-0



Trump/ A Rock 2012

[A Sooner in Texas]

Dems are sexist. Find a strong conservative woman and they try to put them back in the kitchen. No other explanation.

That's because we prefer strong,liberal women. If we wanted strong,conservative women we'd be flakes.









;)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

she's got the spirit of John Wayne Gacy in herShe's a CHRISTIANyermom. She'll consult the pope on how to run the country, and YOU will have to attend CHURCH.

I can understand why the God-denying left is now worried about her, and have pulled the looney card. How many republican candidates can they effectively attack at the same time?

[CrimsonCream]

Why cant the current Republican party find a woman that isn't constantly putting foot to mouth?

./ "I have to confess that it's crossed my mind that you could not be a Republican and a Christian."

./ "God bless the America we are trying to create."

./ "We have a lot of kids who don't know what work means, They think work is a four-letter word."

./ "He ran a gas station down in St. Louis....No, Mahatma Gandhi was a great leader of the 20th century."

"Who is going to find out? These women are trash. Nobody's going to believe them." (Bill's bimbos.)

./ "If I didn't kick his *** everyday he wouldn't be worth anything." (Bill.)

./ " I guess I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfill my profession which I entered before my husband was in public life."

./ "We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

./ "I have said that I'm not running and I'm having a great time being Pres..being a first-term Senator."

"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the President."

All quotes made by Hillary Clinton.

[Mississippi Sooner]

Hillary Clinton is a nutcase. Sarah Palin is a nutcase. Michelle Bachman is a nutcase.

I've never understood why any of them have any national support. It reflects very poorly on modern America.

[Curly Bill]

Hillary Clinton is a nutcase. Sarah Palin is a nutcase. Michelle Bachman is a nutcase.

I've never understood why any of them have any national support. It reflects very poorly on modern America.

Modern America reflects very poorly on modern America.

[jk the sooner fan]

I choose not to form my opinion of any candidate simply based on one statement - taken out of context and scrutinized the way we seem to do

it's as if we all are rhodes scholars in our own minds and have perfect speaking/thought abilities

Obama claimed there were 57 states..........folks, when you are speaking publicly and on the record as much as our politicians do - and in the age of the 24 hour news cycle....you're going to get gaffe's like this

show me a candidate who hasnt said something stupid?

personally I like Bachman a lot - look at her background and - if you still think she's the devil incarnate, then so be it.....judge her based on her entire body of work rather than one statement

to me.....THAT is moronic

[CrimsonCream]

^^^

Nice post.

[Curly Bill]

Yup.

Count me in as another who wished we'd elect someone based on things that really matter, experience for example, as opposed to based on what they look like, or how they speak.

[Mississippi Sooner]

I just can't figure out why a politician running for national office would actively try to pander to the extreme of either side of the spectrum. Those candidates can sometimes drum up a lot of excitement in the early going, but then invariably fade as the race heats up.

Remember about 20 years ago when Pat Robertson won an early Republican straw poll and the 700 Club folks went into hysterics and the national media collectively said, "whoa?" When it really mattered, because his real support was only in his hardcore group of followers, he had no more of a chance than Pat Buchanan or Jesse Jackson. Compromise or be left on the side of the road.

[jk the sooner fan]

Bachman is considered one of the founding leaders of the tea party - she has strong conservative principles and she not pandering to what she thinks will be a popularity contest, but rather sticking to what she believes is right

you are free to choose the candidate you like best - but i would rather align myself with a candidate that matches my own ideology and not one that will change with the shifting winds of the current daily polls

[Mississippi Sooner]

It's not really the daily polls I'm talking about, and I'm not really saying that I think it's the right thing to do. But you hear it all the time. People say that in the end there doesn't seem to be that much difference between Obama and Bush and Clinton because policy-wise, once they get in office, there isn't. Not saying it's right, but it just seems to be the political reality.

[JohnnyMack]

Bachman is considered one of the founding leaders of the tea party - she has strong conservative principles and she not pandering to what she thinks will be a popularity contest, but rather sticking to what she believes is right

you are free to choose the candidate you like best - but i would rather align myself with a candidate that matches my own ideology and not one that will change with the shifting winds of the current daily polls

I think she tried to ban Aladdin because it had magical themes when she was serving on her local school board. Nothing says, "small government" like a proverbial book burning.

[jk the sooner fan]

I think she tried to ban Aladdin because it had magical themes when she was serving on her local school board. Nothing says, "small government" like a proverbial book burning.

you think? or you know? or you're just making **** up to be cute?

[sooner_born_1960]

Yup.

Count me in as another who wished we'd elect someone based on things that really matter, experience for example, as opposed to based on what they look like, or how they speak.
Are any experienced presidents eligible to run?

Oh, I guess one is.

[olevetonahill]

you think? or you know? or you're just making **** up to be cute?

JM dont need to make **** up to be cute, Heard hes Purtty :hot:

[tommieharris91]

you think? or you know? or you're just making **** up to be cute?


Bachmann and other parents started New Heights, a Stillwater K-12 charter school where Bachmann, as board director, was accused of attempting to inject her version of Christianity into the curriculum. She ended the dispute by resigning from the board amid a packed public hearing.

Stephens, a leader of an opposing group of parents, said Bachmann told a teacher she couldn't show the Disney movie "Aladdin" because it depicted magic. She said Bachmann also told a teacher not to let students make Native American dreamcatchers because they were part of a pagan religion.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/123723114.html

She's also an Oral Roberts grad.

[olevetonahill]

Are any experienced presidents eligible to run?

Oh, I guess one is.

Yea but aint he on the verge of gettin Fired?;)

[JohnnyMack]

you think? or you know? or you're just making **** up to be cute?

Naw, I was serious. She's a wolf in sheeps clothing.

[jk the sooner fan]

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/123723114.html

She's also an Oral Roberts grad.

she was accused - so we know one side of the story

so being an Oral Roberts grad - that disqualifies her?

she's a Christian - but then so is Barack Obama

[olevetonahill]

she was accused - so we know one side of the story

so being an Oral Roberts grad - that disqualifies her?

she's a Christian - but then so is Barack Obama

Aint either, Every one knows hes Muslim :rolleyes:

[GrapevineSooner]

I think she tried to ban Aladdin because it had magical themes when she was serving on her local school board. Nothing says, "small government" like a proverbial book burning.

Not quite (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/05/michele-bachmanns-school-banned-aladdin/37486/).


Michele Bachmann's path (http://www.amazon.com/School-Board-Battles-Christian-Politics/dp/1589010019) into politics was one followed by many conservative Christians: through the schools (http://articles.latimes.com/1993-12-10/news/mn-255_1_school-board). Bachmann sent her five kids to religious schools near her suburban Minnesota home, but she sent her 23 foster kids to public schools. She found the materials brought home by those kids to be troubling. So in 1993, she helped found one of the first public charter schools in her state. Only three months after the school opened, Bachmann faced controversy for the religious bent of the curriculum, Bloomberg's Lisa Lerer and John McCormick (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2011-05-09/bachmann-rocks-ruling-class-with-amens-from-tea-party-presidential-talk.html) report. One teacher, for example, had banned Aladdin because the Disney movie mentioned magic.

[jk the sooner fan]

those damn facts get in the way of hysteria EVERY TIME

[tommieharris91]

she was accused - so we know one side of the story

so being an Oral Roberts grad - that disqualifies her?

she's a Christian - but then so is Barack Obama

I think there's a little more there than just smoke...

Also, Being an Oral Roberts grad is just an interesting sidenote (although I'm not a big fan of televangelists.)

[GKeeper316]

Dems are sexist. Find a strong conservative woman and they try to put them back in the kitchen. No other explanation.

she's a blathering idiot.

[jk the sooner fan]

I think there's a little more there than just smoke...

Also, Being an Oral Roberts grad is just an interesting sidenote (although I'm not a big fan of televangelists.)

not everybody that graduates from ORU is a televangelist!

[GKeeper316]

so being an Oral Roberts grad - that disqualifies her?



yes. yes it does. at least from the joke of a law school they had...

[olevetonahill]

she's a blathering idiot.

http://rlv.zcache.com/it_takes_one_to_know_one_card-p137389806333378155qiae_400.jpg

[CrimsonCream]

Count me in as another who wished we'd elect someone based on things that really matter, experience for example, as opposed to based on what they look like, or how they speak.

As I've said before, Obama is very dangerous for this Country. Everyone can see the wreckage he's wrought in three years. He is morally and ethically corrupt.

What is ultimately troublesome for me is his blatant disregard for the Constitution and the rules and ethics of the Executive Branch. (The President is not suppose to use Government assets for campaigning ((Oval Office campaign pictures)) and the such.)

He has proven so many times that he will lie and distort to be reelected. He thinks he can bullsh*t his way out of anything ("I have a gift, Harry.")

The biased and corrupt media is just as guilty.

[GKeeper316]

**** you fat man

[GKeeper316]

As I've said before, Obama is very dangerous for this Country. Everyone can see the wreckage he's wrought in three years. He is morally and ethically corrupt.

What is ultimately troublesome for me is his blatant disregard for the Constitution and the rules and ethics of the Executive Branch. (The President is not suppose to use Government assets for campaigning ((Oval Office campaign pictures)) and the such.)

He has proven so many times that he will lie and distort to be reelected. He thinks he can bullsh*t his way out of anything ("I have a gift, Harry.")

The biased and corrupt media is just as guilty.

the current president inherited a cluster **** of 8 years of republican economic policy from w. and you expect it to get fixed in 2 years? really? and w. did more damage to the rights and freedoms of americans than any president before him, while largely ignoring the constitution. how short our memories are, huh?

[tommieharris91]

not everybody that graduates from ORU is a televangelist!

But every one of them is heavily influenced by one.

This thread has been reduced to ad hominems now, though. Have fun kids.

[jk the sooner fan]

yes. yes it does. at least from the joke of a law school they had...

maybe you're the blathering idiot

she got her law degree from William & Mary

where did you get your law degree from GKeeper?

[GKeeper316]

maybe you're the blathering idiot

she got her law degree from William & Mary

where did you get your law degree from GKeeper?

just like the dumb bitch you're defending, you are factually incorrect.



In 1979, Bachmann was a member of the first class of the O.W. Coburn School of Law, a part of Oral Roberts University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Roberts_University) (ORU).[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann#cite_note-Holy-11) In 1986 she received a J.D. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juris_Doctor) degree from Oral Roberts University. She was a member of the final graduating class of the law school at ORU, and was part of a group of faculty, staff, and students who moved the ORU law school library to what is now Regent University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regent_University).[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann#cite_note-13)
In 1988, Bachmann received an LL.M. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LL.M.) degree in tax law from the William & Mary School of Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_%26_Mary_School_of_Law).[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann#cite_note-14)[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann#cite_note-GOP-09-07-06-15) From 1988 to 1993, she was an attorney working for the Internal Revenue Service (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue_Service) (IRS).[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann#cite_note-CP20050223-16) She left her position with the IRS to become a full-time mother[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann#cite_note-MST-1-1-05-17) when her fourth child was born.[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann#cite_note-Roots-18)

[olevetonahill]

**** you fat man

Man ya really zinged me.:D

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QgcIP-pa2II/SUbQw9KAJcI/AAAAAAAAAX8/TygI4OQWl-E/s400/GomerPyle.jpg

[jk the sooner fan]

again - you got your law degree where?

[olevetonahill]

again - you got your law degree where?

From the trunk of "Daddies" car.:D

[The Profit]

A buddy of mine, Ed Goeas, is her national polling director. He was the guy, who handled Mary Fallin's campaign. I told him to do a good job because I wanted this lunatic to be the GOP nominee. Obama would crush her. She cannot get the independent vote that Republicans need to win a general election. Romney or Huntsman would scare me much more than this bible banging wacko.

[jk the sooner fan]

From the trunk of "Daddies" car.:D

exactly, i figure he must have a law degree if he's qualified to determine which law schools are worth a damn and which ones arent

[GKeeper316]

exactly, i figure he must have a law degree if he's qualified to determine which law schools are worth a damn and which ones arent

regent university (what oral roberts is now) has a 60% failure rate for its graduates taking the bar. by any definition, thats a ****ty law school.

and all you need to know that michelle bachman is a blathering ****in idiot is an 8th grade education.

[soonerscuba]

I don't think she's dumb, but I do think she is puritanical. This is all a waste though, she won't be nominated because she is going to have to explain herself on a whole host of wacky ideas. I realize she is sort of mainstream in the Biblebelt, but she just doesn't play outside of the nondenominational megachurch crowd. Also, she isn't particularly likable.

[olevetonahill]

regent university (what oral roberts is now) has a 60% failure rate for its graduates taking the bar. by any definition, thats a ****ty law school.

and all you need to know that michelle bachman is a blathering ****in idiot is an 8th grade education.

Then how do YOU qualify? :confused:

[Position Limit]

As I've said before, Obama is very dangerous for this Country. Everyone can see the wreckage he's wrought in three years. He is morally and ethically corrupt.

What is ultimately troublesome for me is his blatant disregard for the Constitution and the rules and ethics of the Executive Branch. (The President is not suppose to use Government assets for campaigning ((Oval Office campaign pictures)) and the such.)

He has proven so many times that he will lie and distort to be reelected. He thinks he can bullsh*t his way out of anything ("I have a gift, Harry.")

The biased and corrupt media is just as guilty.

after reading about 5 to 10 of your posts, i'm convinced you live in your grandma's cellar. you are a clownish walking talking point. you should shelve your fear and loathing for all things reality and rejoice. for now you have a candidate you can be proud of. the allustrious michelle bachman. good luck and enjoy.

[JohnnyMack]

I don't think she's dumb, but I do think she is puritanical. This is all a waste though, she won't be nominated because she is going to have to explain herself on a whole host of wacky ideas. I realize she is sort of mainstream in the Biblebelt, but she just doesn't play outside of the nondenominational megachurch crowd. Also, she isn't particularly likable.

This. I never said I thought she was dumb. I think she's a opportunistic neo-con who is hiding under the tea party tent. She's more Rick Santorum than she is Ron Paul.

[jk the sooner fan]

regent university (what oral roberts is now) has a 60% failure rate for its graduates taking the bar. by any definition, thats a ****ty law school.

and all you need to know that michelle bachman is a blathering ****in idiot is an 8th grade education.

high school is scary huh? you should have given it a try

[GrapevineSooner]

just like the dumb bitch you're defending, you are factually incorrect.

Left wing Misogyny is fun.

Try following JM's lead on this.

Scuba's too.

[Condescending Sooner]

the current president inherited a cluster **** of 8 years of republican economic policy from w. and you expect it to get fixed in 2 years? really? and w. did more damage to the rights and freedoms of americans than any president before him, while largely ignoring the constitution. how short our memories are, huh?

Exactly how long can you continue to blame Bush for all the problems? If Obama is re-elected will he use the excuse in his second term as well?

Also, can you tell me exactly what rights you lost when Bush was president?

[olevetonahill]

Exactly how long can you continue to blame Bush for all the problems? If Obama is re-elected will he use the excuse in his second term as well?

Also, can you tell me exactly what rights you lost when Bush was president?

He has to check with daddy before he can answer that, Daddy is busy right now, He's in a Private meetin with his secretary :hot:

[Position Limit]

[QUOTE=Condescending Sooner;3274279]Exactly how long can you continue to blame Bush for all the problems? If Obama is re-elected will he use the excuse in his second term as well?
QUOTE]

from the quote it doesnt sound like he's blaming all problems on bush. just the horrible economy obama was elected into. let's face it, bush left office with this country in an extremely fragile state. it's gonna take a little longer than 2 years to fix the 8 year boondoggle that was the bush administration.

[jk the sooner fan]

what party was in control of both houses of congress the last 4 years of Bush's presidency?

because we all know that congress plays absolutely no role in the economy, passing laws, etc etc etc

[Position Limit]

what laws did congress pass that bush SIGNED OFF on in the last 4 years of his presidency that caused the economy to crater?

[OutlandTrophy]

regent university (what oral roberts is now) has a 60% failure rate for its graduates taking the bar. by any definition, thats a ****ty law school.

and all you need to know that michelle bachman is a blathering ****in idiot is an 8th grade education.

where did your dad attend law school? I just read this in another thread and I thought it was relevant to this discussion.


GKeeper's dad is the legal genius who claims that mortgages aren't contracts because there's no consideration.

[jk the sooner fan]

i'm simply saying that our system of government requires the potus to work along with congress

see - the congress sends stuff to the president - then the president signs them

here's a helpful video
mEJL2Uuv-oQ

so, the way i understand it is that the president AND congress share an equal share of the blame

and just a note - our current president was a member of that very same congress - so many of the things he's blaming Bush for - he voted to send to Bush for approval

[Position Limit]

you're backsteppin now. what laws were passed in the last 4 years of bush's presidency caused the economy to crater?

[jk the sooner fan]

you're backsteppin now. what laws were passed in the last 4 years of bush's presidency caused the economy to crater?

you're the one bitching about how Bush ruined the country -i'm simply saying he had a congress controlled by the dems who share in that 'ruination"

my life hasnt really changed since Bush took/left office

every change in my life has been a result of my own choices and desires

i would guess the only real change has been getting on an airplane

[OutlandTrophy]

I was taught that depressions and recessions were normal parts of capitalism.

Was I lied to?

[Sooner98]

Also, can you tell me exactly what rights you lost when Bush was president?

He was no longer allowed to murder thousands of Americans, due to the threat of being waterboarded.

Oh, and he also now has to take off his shoes when in line at airport security.

Yes, our Constitution was completely destroyed under Bush. :rolleyes:

[CrimsonCream]

after reading about 5 to 10 of your posts, i'm convinced you live in your grandma's cellar. you are a clownish walking talking point. you should shelve your fear and loathing for all things reality and rejoice. for now you have a candidate you can be proud of. the allustrious michelle bachman. good luck and enjoy.

Actually, it is people like you that makes me afraid for this Country.

People like you who are uninformed, blame everything on someone else and take no responsibility for anything. So, you think adding an additional $4.3 trillion to the National Debt is good? 9.1% unemployment is good? $3.60 gasoline is good? Yeah, you guys have a bullsh*t excuse for everything.

If Obama told you that turds were actually brown bananas would you eat them? I think you would.

[Position Limit]

Actually, it is people like you that makes me afraid for this Country.

People like you who are uninformed, blame everything on someone else and take no responsibility for anything. So, you think adding an additional $4.3 trillion to the National Debt is good? 9.1% unemployment is good? $3.60 gasoline is good? Yeah, you guys have a bullsh*t excuse for everything.

If Obama told you that turds were actually brown bananas would eat them? I think you would.

you're a poet. an angry poet at that.

[JohnnyMack]

I was taught that depressions and recessions were normal parts of capitalism.

Was I lied to?

Yes. It's always partisan chicanery and/or the other guy's fault.

[OutlandTrophy]

Yes. It's always partisan chicanery and/or the other guy's fault.

F it, I'm going to blame you then.

[olevetonahill]

And again I give Ya this thread. it was aimed originally aimed at Profit, but seems to hit a of the posters in this thread also.

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155755

[soonerscuba]

I think an excess of Soulja Boy is pretty much what did us in.

[Position Limit]

you're the one bitching about how Bush ruined the country -i'm simply saying he had a congress controlled by the dems who share in that 'ruination"

my life hasnt really changed since Bush took/left office

every change in my life has been a result of my own choices and desires

i would guess the only real change has been getting on an airplane

you're my hero. i suppose mine hasnt changed either. i'm not trying blame one or the other. just a little history is called for for the crimsonandcreme's of world. fact of the matter is obama was elected into an economy near collaspe. to expect a fix in 2 years screams of political hackery. if the fox news drones could wave a wand and reverse every obama law, the economy would still be in recovery. it's nothing more than a talking point.

[jk the sooner fan]

you're my hero. i suppose mine hasnt changed either. i'm not trying blame one or the other. just a little history is called for for the crimsonandcreme's of world. fact of the matter is obama was elected into an economy near collaspe. to expect a fix in 2 years screams of political hackery. if the fox news drones could wave a wand and reverse every obama law, the economy would still be in recovery. it's nothing more than a talking point.

i'm simply pointing out that one man does NOT shoulder the blame for all the crap coming out of Washington DC - and to continue putting one mans name on it will continue to achieve the same results

nothing



everybody needs a hero - glad i could help

[The Profit]

i'm simply saying that our system of government requires the potus to work along with congress

see - the congress sends stuff to the president - then the president signs them

here's a helpful video
mEJL2Uuv-oQ

so, the way i understand it is that the president AND congress share an equal share of the blame

and just a note - our current president was a member of that very same congress - so many of the things he's blaming Bush for - he voted to send to Bush for approval




A combination of events, created by "the idiot from Texas" caused the demise of the US economy. His so-called "war on terror" in Afghanistan and especially Iraq was not funded. In fact, while we have spent more than $2 trillion on these two wars, the wealthiest one percent of Americans were given huge tax breaks. In fact, no one other than the brave Americans, who have fought in these wars, has been asked to sacrifice at all.

Sure, congress could have said no, but to have done so was tantamount to political suicide. Bush, led by his puppeteer Karl Rove, used the honest and natural patriotism of Americans after 9/11 to persuade congress to invade Iraq even though, as has been proven, Iraq posed no immediate nor long term threat to the United States. Tax breaks while spending trillions on two wars was a monumental mistake. It transformed the largest budget surplus in American history into the largest deficit in American history.

Bush's second disastrous mistake was deregulating Wall Street. This was part of his campaign promise during his first election and again in his second election. The result of his efforts was the near collapse of the American banking system. Wall Street greed created the housing bubble, and its ultimate collapse.

The month Obama took over as President of the US, this country was shedding 700,000 jobs per month. In the two years, prior to Obama's inauguration, the Bush administration sat back and watched 4.5 million jobs go to hell in a hand basket.

This recession, that we just went through, was not a normal cyclical recession. Instead, it was the worst recession since the great depression. Anyone, who expected the economy to bounce back as quickly as it did under the previous relatively minor recessions, was simply stupid.

George W. Bush was a horrible president, who nearly destroyed this nation. His Texas machismo created two wars we couldn't, and haven't won (more than 4,000 brave Americans have died since he landed on the carrier and proclaimed "mission accomplished." He will go down with the likes of Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge as one of the worst presidents in American history. It is a shame he couldn't fill his daddy's shoes.

[jk the sooner fan]

hilarious

[CrimsonCream]

[QUOTE=Position Limit;3274348fact of the matter is obama was elected into an economy near collaspe. to expect a fix in 2 years screams of political hackery. if the fox news drones could wave a wand and reverse every obama law, the economy would still be in recovery.[/QUOTE]

Give my regards to Mr. Rourke and Tattoo.

Gee.

[The Profit]

hilarious




What? The 4.5 million jobs lost under the Bush administration? Not very funny to me.

[jk the sooner fan]

no - that you're so delusional and paranoid

the "puppeteer Rove" comment tells me everything I need to know about you

[Position Limit]

i'm simply pointing out that one man does NOT shoulder the blame for all the crap coming out of Washington DC - and to continue putting one mans name on it will continue to achieve the same results

nothing



everybody needs a hero - glad i could help

oh, there's plenty of blame to go around. i would start with a certain federal reserve chairman.

[soonerscuba]

Calvin Coolidge as one of the worst presidents in American history.Sic'em will not be pleased.

[Curly Bill]

We all know some/many of our more simpleminded socialists believe Bush is responsible for the Great Depression, the Holocaust, and every bad thing thereafter. It's funny. :D

[JohnnyMack]

A combination of events, created by "the idiot from Texas" caused the demise of the US economy. His so-called "war on terror" in Afghanistan and especially Iraq was not funded. In fact, while we have spent more than $2 trillion on these two wars, the wealthiest one percent of Americans were given huge tax breaks. In fact, no one other than the brave Americans, who have fought in these wars, has been asked to sacrifice at all.

Sure, congress could have said no, but to have done so was tantamount to political suicide. Bush, led by his puppeteer Karl Rove, used the honest and natural patriotism of Americans after 9/11 to persuade congress to invade Iraq even though, as has been proven, Iraq posed no immediate nor long term threat to the United States. Tax breaks while spending trillions on two wars was a monumental mistake. It transformed the largest budget surplus in American history into the largest deficit in American history.

Bush's second disastrous mistake was deregulating Wall Street. This was part of his campaign promise during his first election and again in his second election. The result of his efforts was the near collapse of the American banking system. Wall Street greed created the housing bubble, and its ultimate collapse.

The month Obama took over as President of the US, this country was shedding 700,000 jobs per month. In the two years, prior to Obama's inauguration, the Bush administration sat back and watched 4.5 million jobs go to hell in a hand basket.

This recession, that we just went through, was not a normal cyclical recession. Instead, it was the worst recession since the great depression. Anyone, who expected the economy to bounce back as quickly as it did under the previous relatively minor recessions, was simply stupid.

George W. Bush was a horrible president, who nearly destroyed this nation. His Texas machismo created two wars we couldn't, and haven't won (more than 4,000 brave Americans have died since he landed on the carrier and proclaimed "mission accomplished." He will go down with the likes of Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge as one of the worst presidents in American history. It is a shame he couldn't fill his daddy's shoes.

You're way, way out to lunch on this one.

The Military Industrial Complex predates W's occupancy of the White House by 40 years and Reagan did more to deregulate Wall Street than W could have dreamed of. Instead of using W as a whipping boy, do some research.

[Curly Bill]

You're way, way out to lunch on this one.

The Military Industrial Complex predates W's occupancy of the White House by 40 years and Reagan did more to deregulate Wall Street than W could have dreamed of. Instead of using W as a whipping boy, do some research.

Surely you jest?

[Position Limit]

Give my regards to Mr. Rourke and Tattoo.

Gee.

cynical and bitter. two terrible burdends to carry on your narrow shoulders. what's next? denial? $4 gas?

[achiro]

This is all Jimmy Carter's fault. It's true, look it up./

[CrimsonCream]

oh, there's plenty of blame to go around. i would start with a certain federal reserve chairman.

That I would agree with.

[jk the sooner fan]

This is all Jimmy Carter's fault. It's true, look it up./

he was certainly the first domino in the eventual bust of the housing bubble

[Position Limit]

That I would agree with.

you'd have to know what i'm talking about first. then you can agree with it. until find your own blame. or turn of fox news.

[Curly Bill]

you'd have to know what i'm talking about first. then you can agree with it. until find your own blame. or turn of fox news.

If you're going to be so critical of others you should try to speak English so we can all get in on the fun.

[Position Limit]

he was certainly the first domino in the eventual bust of the housing bubble

lew ranieri might disagree with you.

explicar por favor.

[The Profit]

You're way, way out to lunch on this one.

The Military Industrial Complex predates W's occupancy of the White House by 40 years and Reagan did more to deregulate Wall Street than W could have dreamed of. Instead of using W as a whipping boy, do some research.



I don't need an education from you on the military industrial complex. This group of weapons manufacturers and military contractors rely upon presidents, who will allow them to peddle their wares. Bush created two great opportunities for them. Obama has also lacked the guts to stand up to them.

As for Wall Street, read this from the 2008 New York Times. It states "the broadest overhaul of Wall Street regulation since the Great Depreession." I believe that predates Reagan's deregulation efforts.

New York Times:

The Bush administration is proposing the broadest overhaul of Wall Street regulation since the Great Depression. But the plan, to be unveiled on Monday, has its genesis in a yearlong effort to limit Washington's role in the market.

And that DNA is unmistakably evident in the fine print.

Although the proposal would impose the first regulation of hedge funds and private equity funds, that oversight would have a light touch, enabling the government to do little beyond collecting information -- except in times of crisis.

The regulatory umbrella created in the 1930s would grow wider, with power concentrated in fewer agencies. But that authority would be limited, doing virtually nothing to regulate the many new financial products whose unwise use has been a culprit in the current financial crisis.

The plan hands vast new authority to the Federal Reserve, essentially formalizing what has been an improvised process over the last three weeks. But some fear that the central bank's role in creating the current mess will undercut its ability to clean it up.

[olevetonahill]

Profit an P.L.

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[Position Limit]

I don't need an education from you on the military industrial complex. This group of weapons manufacturers and military contractors rely upon presidents, who will allow them to peddle their wares. Bush created two great opportunities for them. Obama has also lacked the guts to stand up to them.

As for Wall Street, read this from the 2008 New York Times. It states "the broadest overhaul of Wall Street regulation since the Great Depreession." I believe that predates Reagan's deregulation efforts.

New York Times:

The Bush administration is proposing the broadest overhaul of Wall Street regulation since the Great Depression. But the plan, to be unveiled on Monday, has its genesis in a yearlong effort to limit Washington's role in the market.

And that DNA is unmistakably evident in the fine print.

Although the proposal would impose the first regulation of hedge funds and private equity funds, that oversight would have a light touch, enabling the government to do little beyond collecting information -- except in times of crisis.

The regulatory umbrella created in the 1930s would grow wider, with power concentrated in fewer agencies. But that authority would be limited, doing virtually nothing to regulate the many new financial products whose unwise use has been a culprit in the current financial crisis.

The plan hands vast new authority to the Federal Reserve, essentially formalizing what has been an improvised process over the last three weeks. But some fear that the central bank's role in creating the current mess will undercut its ability to clean it up.



now you've done it. quoting the new york times. big no no around her.

[GrapevineSooner]

This thread took a perfectly unexpected turn.

And by unexpected, I mean expected.

And I've been watching too much Phineas and Ferb with my daughter. :D

[JohnnyMack]

I don't need an education from you on the military industrial complex. This group of weapons manufacturers and military contractors rely upon presidents, who will allow them to peddle their wares. Bush created two great opportunities for them. Obama has also lacked the guts to stand up to them.

As for Wall Street, read this from the 2008 New York Times. It states "the broadest overhaul of Wall Street regulation since the Great Depreession." I believe that predates Reagan's deregulation efforts.

[/B]

Your problem is that you're acting like W is worst thing that ever happened and the fact is big business and oversized government has been ****ing us for decades. Your axe to grind against W makes you sound sophomoric at best.

[CrimsonCream]

you'd have to know what i'm talking about first. then you can agree with it. until find your own blame. or turn of fox news.

It is evident you don't know what you're talking about. You guys just continue to ignore reality. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

You guys sing the same tiresome song. Blame all the troubles on someone or something but never accept responsibility for anything.

You think the promise of the $853 billion Stimulus for "shovel ready jobs" that weren't as "shovel ready as we thought" is as funny as Obama thinks it is? You think the increase in Unemployment is untrue? You think suing Arizona for wanting to protect its borders is selfish? You think all the bribes and kick backs for ObamaCare which the majority don't want good? You think the 1,400 waivers for special interest groups is fair?

Just unbelievable nonsense from you.

[The Maestro]

There are a lot of intelligent, competent women who have held office in this country. Sarah Palin is way down on that list. Bachmann does not seem "presidential" at all. Rice is very sharp, but...I'll say it.

This country is some 235 years old or more. Never had a woman vice prez or prez...and frankly, I don't want one. It would be like a woman becoming a football coach at a major college or in the NFL. We all have positions in life...and women are awesome folks.

I just don't ever want a woman to be President.

[CrimsonCream]

INew York Times:

Not exactly an objective source, Profit.

[tcrb]

The NY Times....now there's an unbiased media source with no agenda.

[Curly Bill]

Your problem is that you're acting like W is worst thing that ever happened and the fact is big business and oversized government has been ****ing us for decades. Your axe to grind against W makes you sound sophomoric at best.

Damn JM, that's pretty well said for a dirtly lib. ;) :D

[Curly Bill]

There are a lot of intelligent, competent women who have held office in this country. Sarah Palin is way down on that list. Bachmann does not seem "presidential" at all. Rice is very sharp, but...I'll say it.

This country is some 235 years old or more. Never had a woman vice prez or prez...and frankly, I don't want one. It would be like a woman becoming a football coach at a major college or in the NFL. We all have positions in life...and women are awesome folks.

I just don't ever want a woman to be President.

I didn't want a socialist muslim and look what happend there. In other words: you can't have everything ya want. :D

[olevetonahill]

Damn JM, that's pretty well said for a dirtly lib. ;) :D

JM do gots a purty mouf

[Position Limit]

It is evident you don't know what you're talking about. You guys just continue to ignore reality. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

You guys sing the same tiresome song. Blame all the troubles on someone or something but never accept responsibility for anything.

You think the promise of the $853 billion Stimulus for "shovel ready jobs" that weren't as "shovel ready as we thought" is as funny as Obama thinks it is? You think the increase in Unemployment is untrue? You think suing Arizona for wanting to protect its borders is selfish? You think all the bribes and kick backs for ObamaCare which the majority don't want good? You think the 1,400 waivers for special interest groups is fair?

Just unbelievable nonsense from you.

on what planet do you currently reside? who is "you guys" and how did i gain membership to this club? what club do you belong to? how much fox news would i have to take in to become a member? how do i "take responsibility" for stuff? on what planet do you currently reside? do grandma have your bologna sandwich ready for you yet?

[Position Limit]

Not exactly an objective source, Profit.

see profit, i warned you.

[The Profit]

Your problem is that you're acting like W is worst thing that ever happened and the fact is big business and oversized government has been ****ing us for decades. Your axe to grind against W makes you sound sophomoric at best.



We really do not disagree so much. I agree that big business is screwing us, and I agree that we have no national infrastructure because we have been feeding the monster that is the military industrial complex since the days immediately following the end of WWII. My "axe (sic) to grind against W" is that he was the perfect choice of both big business and the military industrial complex. He gave them both everything they prayed for, desired and cherished (our money). I am afraid that Obama is playing a similar role. Like most progressives, I am disappointed that he has aligned himself with both Wall Street and the Military Industrial Complex, but he does, at least, seem to care more for the middle and lower class than Bush (junior) ever did.

Killing the military industrial complex will not be easy. Kennedy tried it, and look what happened to him.

[olevetonahill]

on what planet do you currently reside? who is "you guys" and how did i gain membership to this club? what club do you belong to? how much fox news would i have to take in to become a member? how do i "take responsibility" for stuff? on what planet do you currently reside? do grandma have your bologna sandwich ready for you yet?


see profit, i warned you.

Dont Yall make just the cutest couple?
http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/tweedle-dee-tweedle-dum-cardboard-cutout.jpg

[OU_Sooners75]

She's a CHRISTIANyermom. She'll consult the pope on how to run the country, and YOU will have to attend CHURCH.

I can understand why the God-denying left is now worried about her, and have pulled the looney card. How many republican candidates can they effectively attack at the same time?


Im sorry RLIMC...but there are no such things as Christians in Politics.

[JohnnyMack]

JM do gots a purty mouf

What can I say? I floss.

[tommieharris91]

Wait, Rush really said that? Was he talking about Michele Bachmann or Christine O'Donnell?

[The Profit]

I didn't want a socialist muslim and look what happend there. In other words: you can't have everything ya want. :D





Well, you are consistent. You are 0 for 2. He is not a Muslim, nor is he a socialist. There is obviously no chance of you reinventing the atom bomb. I guess that makes us all a little safer.

[The Profit]

Not exactly an objective source, Profit.




Yeah, I agree. There not nearly as objective (fair and balanced) as Fox News, or The Wall Street Journal, or the Daily Oklahoman, etc. You are funny.

[Curly Bill]

Well, you are consistent. You are 0 for 2. He is not a Muslim, nor is he a socialist. There is obviously no chance of you reinventing the atom bomb. I guess that makes us all a little safer.

You're kidding..really? Take a chill pill Alice, you'll rest easier. :rolleyes:

[The Profit]

You're kidding..really? Take a chill pill Alice, you'll rest easier. :rolleyes:




Go .... yourself, or find some hillbilly to .... you.

[Curly Bill]

Go .... yourself, or find some hillbilly to .... you.

Uh-oh...someone got their feelers hurt. Is it Bush's fault? ;)

[OU_Sooners75]

Well, you are consistent. You are 0 for 2. He is not a Muslim, nor is he a socialist. There is obviously no chance of you reinventing the atom bomb. I guess that makes us all a little safer.

He may not say that he is a socialist, but just take a look what he wants to do!.

Obamacare = very socialistic.
Bigger Government = Socialistic.

Im not saying he is a socialist, but he is very close to one if he isn't.

[The Profit]

Uh-oh...someone got their feelers hurt. Is it Bush's fault? ;)




My feelings are not hurt. I simply choose to debate only with those, who have the mental capacity to effectively debate. Simple as that.

[SpankyNek]

You're kidding..really? Take a chill pill Alice, you'll rest easier. :rolleyes:

Mandating that the entire populace purchase an item from corporate business interest is about as far from socialism as one can get.

Has anyone here even read Marx, or know what socialism is?

We would at least have to become a democracy first.

[OU_Sooners75]

Yeah, I agree. There not nearly as objective (fair and balanced) as Fox News, or The Wall Street Journal, or the Daily Oklahoman, etc. You are funny.


Wow, you named 3 sources that are right leaning.

ABC
NBC
MSNBC
CNN
CBS
New York Times
Washington Post
Chicago Tribune
L.A. Times

All very far left leaning "news" sources.

[olevetonahill]

Uh-oh...someone got their feelers hurt. Is it Bush's fault? ;)

You big bully, hurtin a Libs feelers. :eek:

[The Profit]

Good point. I am not a big proponent of Obama Care. I would prefer single-payer national healthcare and the elimination of private health insurance. Now, that's real socialism (you know, like federal highways, public libraries, police and fire departments, etc.).

[SpankyNek]

He may not say that he is a socialist, but just take a look what he wants to do!.

Obamacare = very socialistic.
Bigger Government = Socialistic.

Im not saying he is a socialist, but he is very close to one if he isn't.

Socialism requires abolition of government and would never require a purchase from capitalist interest.

There is a lot of blind opposition here to things (obviously) not studied.

[Curly Bill]

My feelings are not hurt. I simply choose to debate only with those, who have the mental capacity to effectively debate. Simple as that.

Didn't someone accuse you of being sophomoric earlier? The above statement just confirms it further I guess. I guess it's Bush's fault you turned out to be such a whiny little puss right? ;)

[The Profit]

Wow, you named 3 sources that are right leaning.

ABC
NBC
MSNBC
CNN
CBS
New York Times
Washington Post
Chicago Tribune
L.A. Times

All very far left leaning "news" sources.



I could name 50 more if you would like.

[The Profit]

Didn't someone accuse you of being sophomoric earlier? The above statement just confirms it further I guess. I guess it's Bush's fault you turned out to be such a whiny little puss right? ;)


If you knew me, you would know I am far from a whiny little puss. Maybe you will get to know me someday.

[The Profit]

You big bully, hurtin a Libs feelers. :eek:




Oh, I knew you would come around to protect him. Find one more and you can have a real circle-jerk.

[CrimsonCream]

He may not say that he is a socialist, but just take a look what he wants to do!.

Obamacare = very socialistic.
Bigger Government = Socialistic.

Im not saying he is a socialist, but he is very close to one if he isn't.

He is.

He's on record saying that he wants to redistribute the wealth.

[OU_Sooners75]

Socialism requires abolition of government and would never require a purchase from capitalist interest.

There is a lot of blind opposition here to things (obviously) not studied.

:confused: :confused:

Do you even know what Socialism is?




Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled co-operatively, or a political philosophy advocating such a system.


There are many different forms of Socialism ranging from Anarchy to Democratic Socialism (Western Europe) to Marxism.

Socialism is not a form of government, just a philosphy when it comes to the economics of a country or government.

[Curly Bill]

If you knew me, you would no I am far from a whiny little puss. Maybe you will get to know me someday.

LoL...I don't frequent those, get in touch with your feelers sissy-boy seminars, so probably not. :D

[Sooner Tri]

Wow, you named 3 sources that are right leaning.

ABC
NBC
MSNBC
CNN
CBS
New York Times
Washington Post
Chicago Tribune
L.A. Times

All very far left leaning "news" sources.

Don't forget the Gazette! I read that rag just for the laughs.

[olevetonahill]

Oh, I knew you would come around to protect him. Find one more and you can have a real circle-jerk.

Sheat, I nor anyone else needs to "Protect" CB especially from folks like you.;)

[The Profit]

Sheat, I nor anyone else needs to "Protect" CB especially from folks like you.;)



Then why are you, Mt. Dew?

[SpankyNek]

He is.

He's on record saying that he wants to redistribute the wealth.

The only means that he has even attempted to do so are in polar opposition to "socialistic-ness"

Perhaps reading books instead of message boards and political blogs is in order....

[OU_Sooners75]

He is.

He's on record saying that he wants to redistribute the wealth.


Was FDR a socialist?

The New Deal

[Curly Bill]

Sheat, I nor anyone else needs to "Protect" CB especially from folks like you.;)

Oh no Vet: he's far from being a whiny little puss. I'm skeered this could actually be Chuck Norris we're dealing with here. :D

[The Profit]

Oh no Vet: he's far from being a whiny little puss. I'm skeered this could actually be Chuck Norris we're dealing with here. :D




Might be. Ya never know.

[OU_Sooners75]

Then why are you, Mt. Dew?


So, you say, "I simply choose to debate only with those, who have the mental capacity to effectively debate. Simple as that," yet you dont answer any legit arguments against your stance.

Hmm...very far left of you! :P

[Curly Bill]

So, you say, "I simply choose to debate only with those, who have the mental capacity to effectively debate. Simple as that," yet you dont answer any legit arguments against your stance.

Hmm...very far left of you! :P

Be very careful 75, or you'll be getting to know The Profit. :P

[SpankyNek]

:confused: :confused:

Do you even know what Socialism is?


There are many different forms of Socialism ranging from Anarchy to Democratic Socialism (Western Europe) to Marxism.

Socialism is not a form of government, just a philosphy when it comes to the economics of a country ot government.

And as long as the United States remains a Republic of sovereign state governments, it can (IN NO WAY) be implemented.

The power would first have to rest in the hands of the people, and a true democracy just isn't going to happen any time soon.

It's like some folks here are ready to don sandwich boards stating "Socialism is Near!!".

[The Profit]

So, you say, "I simply choose to debate only with those, who have the mental capacity to effectively debate. Simple as that," yet you dont answer any legit arguments against your stance.

Hmm...very far left of you! :P



What questions. Ask away.

[3rdgensooner]

http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/talkheads/mudslinging.jpg

[Curly Bill]

And as long as the United States remains a Republic of sovereign state governments, it can (IN NO WAY) be implemented.

The power would first have to rest in the hands of the people, and a true democracy just isn't going to happen any time soon.

It's like some folks here are ready to don sandwich boards stating "Socialism is Near!!".

We'd have to become a "true democracy" before we could become socialist? Where are you getting this stupid sh*t? Were you hallucinating the day they talked about government and perhaps have several things confused now? :O

[Position Limit]

wow. the right wing boogey men are out in force today. we got socialism and leftwing media bias within 4 post. impressive. not very original or bright, but impressive with the frequency.

[OU_Sooners75]

I could name 50 more if you would like.


Go for it. I bet they are personal blogs or some form of far right propaganda machine online. I am simply naming mainstream media

So lets count this up:

Far Left:

CNN
CBS
NBC
MSNBC
ABC
New York Times
USA Today
Chicago Tribune
Washington Post
L.A. Times.

These are the big boys of media and they all support a far left agenda...and usually openly so.

Middle to Far Right:

Fox News
Wall Street Journal
Daily Oklahoman

Sweet...ill wait for 50 more main stream middle or far right supporting sources.

[olevetonahill]

Then why are you, Mt. Dew?

I called him a Big bully about hurtin Libs feelers and you say thats " Protecting him?"

No wonder you cant debate fer shat.:rolleyes:

[OU_Sooners75]

And as long as the United States remains a Republic of sovereign state governments, it can (IN NO WAY) be implemented.

The power would first have to rest in the hands of the people, and a true democracy just isn't going to happen any time soon.

It's like some folks here are ready to don sandwich boards stating "Socialism is Near!!".


You keep protraying socialism has a form of government...when it isnt.
China is a republic with socialistic economic views. Same as Venezuela and some other countries.

[Curly Bill]

wow. the right wing boogey men are out in force today. we got socialism and leftwing media bias within 4 post. impressive. not very original or bright, but impressive with the frequency.

Being critical of other's intelligence would look better if you'd use like capitilization and stuff when it's called for. Just sayin.

And I'm not normally one for grammar smack and all, but when a pompous a** criticizes others for their intelligence while looking like an uneducated buffoon it seems OK.

[olevetonahill]

Oh no Vet: he's far from being a whiny little puss. I'm skeered this could actually be Chuck Norris we're dealing with here. :D


Might be. Ya never know.

Highly doubtful, Ya see C.N. aint a sissy

[SpankyNek]

We'd have to become a "true democracy" before we could become socialist? Where are you getting this stupid sh*t? Were you hallucinating the day they talked about government and perhaps have several things confused now? :O

The power lies equally with everyone in true socialist philosophy. Do you expect groups of governors to simply give this power away? How would any society with several concentrated powers and agendas ever implement socialism, thereby defeating their current structure.

Go ahead and look the fool by claiming the healthcare mandate is socialism.

[OU_Sooners75]

What questions. Ask away.


not so much questions persay, as in raising an opposite side to your drivel.

But don't let the past posts get in your way.

[Curly Bill]

The power lies equally with everyone in true socialist philosophy. Do you expect groups of governors to simply give this power away? How would any society with several concentrated powers and agendas ever implement socialism, thereby defeating their current structure.

Go ahead and look the fool by claiming the healthcare mandate is socialism.

Who the hell said anything about "true socialist philosophy?" Maybe instead of arguing some esoteric BS that makes you come across as if you're trying to sound smarter than you actually are, talk a little real life with us commoners?

[SpankyNek]

You keep protraying socialism has a form of government...when it isnt.
China is a republic with socialistic economic views. Same as Venezuela and some other countries.

I am not the one guilty of this, Socialism REQUIRES no central government. This is what people on your side of the argument seem to have trouble identifying with.

China, Italy, USSR all bastardized socialism by never giving the people enough power to wrest common rulership away from a centralized source, be it a dictator or representative (laugh) government.

Really, just stop.

[The Profit]

Highly doubtful, Ya see C.N. aint a sissy




Nor and I, Mt. Dew.

[OU_Sooners75]

The power lies equally with everyone in true socialist philosophy. Do you expect groups of governors to simply give this power away? How would any society with several concentrated powers and agendas ever implement socialism, thereby defeating their current structure.

Go ahead and look the fool by claiming the healthcare mandate is socialism.


You just described Communism, not socialism. But nice try.


Socialsim by dictionary definiton:

a theory (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theory) or system of social organization (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/social+organization) that advocates the (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/the) vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

Communisim by dictionary definition:

a theory (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theory) or system of social organization based on the (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/the) holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

[Curly Bill]

I am not the one guilty of this, Socialism REQUIRES no central government. This is what people on your side of the argument seem to have trouble identifying with.

China, Italy, USSR all bastardized socialism by never giving the people enough power to wrest common rulership away from a centralized source, be it a dictator or representative (laugh) government.

Really, just stop.

Wow, those in charge didn't give up power so the people could rest even more power from them? Holy crap, who woulda thought that??

[SpankyNek]

Who the hell said anything about "true socialist philosophy?" Maybe instead of arguing some esoteric BS that makes you come across as if you're trying to sound smarter than you actually are, talk a little real life with us commoners?

I am not on a mission to enlighten...if I wanted to talk Nuclear Physics I would study it rather than paste some $h!t from Wikipedia and say "Atom are killin our jobs!"

The responsibility to educate lies within yourself, friend.

[olevetonahill]

Nor and I, Mt. Dew.

Boy Yall libs are really gettin to me with yer name callin. Hell I might even GAS some day.:rolleyes:

[MR2-Sooner86]

I am not the one guilty of this, Socialism REQUIRES no central government. This is what people on your side of the argument seem to have trouble identifying with.

China, Italy, USSR all bastardized socialism by never giving the people enough power to wrest common rulership away from a centralized source, be it a dictator or representative (laugh) government.

Really, just stop.

Marxism requires you take everything away from the private sector, give it to the government, and divide everything up equally under Socialism/Communism. Once the people are ready you get rid of the government as the people won't need it.

An anarchist wants the same thing but feels the state is a bad idea to bring this about so they call for the destruction of capitalism and the state.

So which one are you talking about, Marxism or Anarchism?

[OU_Sooners75]

I am not the one guilty of this, Socialism REQUIRES no central government. This is what people on your side of the argument seem to have trouble identifying with.

China, Italy, USSR all bastardized socialism by never giving the people enough power to wrest common rulership away from a centralized source, be it a dictator or representative (laugh) government.

Really, just stop.

Not really sure what side you are trying to put me on...so please clear that side up for me.

Now then, Ill stop making you look like a fool after this:

You said no republic could be socialist or support socialism...

Well, got a question for you. Do you even know what a republic is?

Here is the definition of what Republic is:

a state in which the head of government is not a monarch or other hereditary head of state.

So, you are saying that if the United States wanted to become a socialistic economy, we would have to gain a monarch instead for it to work to work?

Maybe you should at least learn a little about what socialism is...then learn the difference between socialism and communism (what you are trying to say socialism is).

[SpankyNek]

You just described Communism, not socialism. But nice try.


Socialsim by dictionary definiton:


Communisim by dictionary definition:
Did you even read your own one-size-fits-all definitions?

Socialism is each person having equal DIRECT ownership.

Communism (bastardized socialism) requires that the individuals form a "Union" of ownership (generally via a centralized government or dictatorship). State ownership.

[Curly Bill]

I am not on a mission to enlighten...if I wanted to talk Nuclear Physics I would study it rather than paste some $h!t from Wikipedia and say "Atom are killin our jobs!"

The responsibility to educate lies within yourself, friend.

Would you sound anymore full of crap talking about this than you do talking about forms of government/economic systems?

[OU_Sooners75]

Did you even read your own one-size-fits-all definitions?

Socialism is each person having equal DIRECT ownership.

Communism (bastardized socialism) requires that the individuals form a "Union" of ownership (generally via a centralized government or dictatorship). State ownership.


Yet, you are the moron trying to portray Socialism as a form of government, when it is a form of economic philosphy...as is communism.

You are the one trying to say that a socialistic economy would not work in a republic. Yet, where you find socialism, all those states or countries are republics. And you are the one failing to understand the difference between advocates ownership and actual ownership.

So with that, Ill end the "debate."

[SpankyNek]

Marxism requires you take everything away from the private sector, give it to the government, and divide everything up equally under Socialism/Communism. Once the people are ready you get rid of the government as the people won't need it.

An anarchist wants the same thing but feels the state is a bad idea to bring this about so they call for the destruction of capitalism and the state.

So which one are you talking about, Marxism or Anarchism?

Anarchism is the likely route to Socialism in the US because there are simply too many entities with power in our current state (Be it corporate, state-level, federal, etc..).

Finally someone that understands that socialism isn't about putting more money into a capitalist system (healthcare mandate).

Frankly, I am unsure of the viability of any economic or governance model anymore, because it is becoming increasingly clear that we will never stick by one set of rules, instead using bits and pieces to our current whims and seeing what happens.

[Partial Qualifier]

This thread took a perfectly unexpected turn.

And by unexpected, I mean expected.

And I've been watching too much Phineas and Ferb with my daughter. :D

Dr. Doofenschmirtz is one of my favorite TV personalities.. hell he may be my #1 favorite... can't think of anyone else I like better at the moment

[OU_Sooners75]

Anarchism is the likely route to Socialism in the US because there are simply too many entities with power in our current state (Be it corporate, state-level, federal, etc..).

Finally someone that understands that socialism isn't about putting more money into a capitalist system (healthcare mandate).

Frankly, I am unsure of the viability of any economic or governance model anymore, because it is becoming increasingly clear that we will never stick by one set of rules, instead using bits and pieces to our current whims and seeing what happens.


:gary:

This guy must have fallen from the dunce tree!

At least you are trying to sound smart. :hot:

[The Profit]

Go for it. I bet they are personal blogs or some form of far right propaganda machine online. I am simply naming mainstream media

So lets count this up:

Far Left:

CNN
CBS
NBC
MSNBC
ABC
New York Times
USA Today
Chicago Tribune
Washington Post
L.A. Times.

These are the big boys of media and they all support a far left agenda...and usually openly so.

Middle to Far Right:

Fox News
Wall Street Journal
Daily Oklahoman

Sweet...ill wait for 50 more main stream middle or far right supporting sources.




Right Wing Newspapers:

Manchester Leader
Washington Times
Daily Oklahoman
San Diego Union Tribune
Dallas Morning News
Houston Chronicle
Birmingham, AL News
Tampa Tribune
New York Post
Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
Los Angeles Daily News
Pittsburgh Tribune Review
Chicago Tribune
Detroit News
Boston Herald
Richmond Time-Review
Florida Times Union
Charleston Daily Mail
Waterbury Republican-American
Colorado Springs Gazette
New York Sun
Las Vegas Review
Sacramento Bee


Radio Stations:

Every AM Radio Station with talk radio (other than Spanish)


Television Stations:

Every station with an Ogle on board



I'm really tired now. I will give you more later, after I have eaten.

[SpankyNek]

Yet, you are the moron trying to portray Socialism as a form of government, when it is a form of economic philosphy...as is communism.

You are the one trying to say that a socialistic economy would not work in a republic. Yet, where you find socialism, all those states or countries are republics. And you are the one failing to understand the difference between advocates ownership and actual ownership.

So with that, Ill end the "debate."

I will say it again, SOCIALISM REQUIRES NO GOVERNMENT AT ALL. If you want to infer lack of government as a form of government, go on ahead.

You continue to use the term "socialistic" which is not even a word (Hint: just say "socialist"), so maybe that is something that exists in your mind as an entity of which I am unfamiliar, leaving myself in a disadvantaged position in this debate.

State controlled wealth is NOT socialism, no matter who they take it from, or who they give it to....do you get it yet?

[The Profit]

Boy Yall libs are really gettin to me with yer name callin. Hell I might even GAS some day.:rolleyes:




By the way, Danny likes his new home at Martin Nature Center in Oklahoma City.

[OU_Sooners75]

I will say it again, SOCIALISM REQUIRES NO GOVERNMENT AT ALL. If you want to infer lack of government as a form of government, go on ahead.

You continue to use the term "socialistic" which is not even a word (Hint: just say "socialist"), so maybe that is something that exists in your mind as an entity of which I am unfamiliar, leaving myself in a disadvantaged position in this debate.

State controlled wealth is NOT socialism, no matter who they take it from, or who they give it to....do you get it yet?


And yet, socialism works in any governement structure. Your point?

I will assume you are talking anarchism...when you say no government.

If you are, then you are only partially correct.

Anarchy usually is lumped with lawlessness, or no government structure. However, it can also be lumped with direct democracy or libertarianism.

State controlled wealth? So we trying to spin that direction now? No ****, state controlled wealth is not socialism.

[StoopTroup]

There is no need for Anarchy. People just need to marry their boyfriend and go Home.

[OU_Sooners75]

Right Wing Newspapers:

Manchester Leader
Washington Times
Daily Oklahoman
San Diego Union Tribune
Dallas Morning News
Houston Chronicle
Birmingham, AL News
Tampa Tribune
New York Post
Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
Los Angeles Daily News
Pittsburgh Tribune Review
Chicago Tribune
Detroit News
Boston Herald
Richmond Time-Review
Florida Times Union
Charleston Daily Mail
Waterbury Republican-American
Colorado Springs Gazette
New York Sun
Las Vegas Review
Sacramento Bee


Radio Stations:

Every AM Radio Station with talk radio (other than Spanish)


Television Stations:

Every station with an Ogle on board



I'm really tired now. I will give you more later, after I have eaten.

at least everything you named is not mainstream media...just local papers.

And as far as AM Radio...I have heard plenty liberal talk shows. I will give you that the conservative radio is in more number.

[StoopTroup]

FOX is middle to Right?

Try Right to Conservative. I only throw right in now after they fired Glenn Beck and hired Juan Williams and Chris Wallace.

[The Maestro]

Saving this thread for when I am having trouble sleeping...

[Condescending Sooner]

Bush, led by his puppeteer Karl Rove, used the honest and natural patriotism of Americans after 9/11 to persuade congress to invade Iraq even though, as has been proven, Iraq posed no immediate nor long term threat to the United States. .
George W. Bush was a horrible president, who nearly destroyed this nation. His Texas machismo created two wars we couldn't, and haven't won (more than 4,000 brave Americans have died since he landed on the carrier and proclaimed "mission accomplished." .

What threat does Libya pose?

[OutlandTrophy]

I can't believe that The Profit hates black people as much as he does in this thread. This is crazy!!

[3rdgensooner]

Saving this thread for when I am having trouble sleeping...I might stay awake if you opine some more about women and the presidency.

[SpankyNek]

What threat does Libya pose?

Did we invade Libya?

[OutlandTrophy]

who knew that SpankyNek was a racist?

That's crazy!!

[StoopTroup]

By the way, Danny likes his new home at Martin Nature Center in Oklahoma City.

That should be a Perma Ban. Count yourself very lucky if you receive anything less or nothing at all.

[SpankyNek]

who knew that SpankyNek was a racist?

That's crazy!!

IDGI
:confused: :confused: :confused:

[JohnnyMack]

Damn JM, that's pretty well said for a dirtly lib. ;) :D

:D

[olevetonahill]

By the way, Danny likes his new home at Martin Nature Center in Oklahoma City.

Who in the **** is "Danny"?

[Curly Bill]

Right Wing Newspapers:

Manchester Leader
Washington Times
Daily Oklahoman
San Diego Union Tribune
Dallas Morning News
Houston Chronicle
Birmingham, AL News
Tampa Tribune
New York Post
Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
Los Angeles Daily News
Pittsburgh Tribune Review
Chicago Tribune
Detroit News
Boston Herald
Richmond Time-Review
Florida Times Union
Charleston Daily Mail
Waterbury Republican-American
Colorado Springs Gazette
New York Sun
Las Vegas Review
Sacramento Bee


Radio Stations:

Every AM Radio Station with talk radio (other than Spanish)


Television Stations:

Every station with an Ogle on board



I'm really tired now. I will give you more later, after I have eaten.

You're totally full of crap because the Dallas Morning News is definitely NOT a right-wing newspaper.

[CrimsonCream]

Perhaps reading books instead of message boards and political blogs is in order....

I bet I have more hardback books in my garage than you do in your whole house. Three of the walls are lined with them.

Plus, you obviously never took the Political Science course at OU titled "Isms" For a semester, we studied Capitalism, Socialism, Fascism, Communism, etc.

But it's okay to sit back and make little snide comments of which you know nothing about.

[Position Limit]

You're totally full of crap because the Dallas Morning News is definitely NOT a right-wing newspaper.

why do all threads devolve into the left wing media conspiracy fallacy? is it the cornerstone of the right's ethos? I REALLY NEED TO KNOW!!!!

[CrimsonCream]

Being critical of other's intelligence would look better if you'd use like capitilization and stuff when it's called for. Just sayin.

And I'm not normally one for grammar smack and all, but when a pompous a** criticizes others for their intelligence while looking like an uneducated buffoon it seems OK.

Isn't that the truth.

The same old tired, pathetic and sad mantra froma couple of these guys.

[Curly Bill]

why do all threads devolve into the left wing media conspiracy fallacy? is it the cornerstone of the right's ethos? I REALLY NEED TO KNOW!!!!

Beats me about all that. All I know is that you'll find very few peeps that live in Texas that consider the Dallas Morning News to be right-wing. Admittedly that's surprising because you'd think it would be, but it's simply not.

[StoopTroup]

The right think they are right and the left think they are right and really only the Centrists are right because they get to **** with them both while the best way to change things is just to have a Cup of Tea and take a bus trip to Iowa?

[GKeeper316]

We all know some/many of our more simpleminded socialists believe Bush is responsible for the Great Depression, the Holocaust, and every bad thing thereafter. It's funny. :D

ya its sorta the same ol crap you turd pubs blame obama for, huh?

the funny thing is that people that identify themselves as republicans have been proven to be the most misinformed people who participate in elections and repond to polls.

[Position Limit]

I bet I have more hardback books in my garage than you do in your whole house. Three of the walls are lined with them.

Plus, you obviously never took the Political Science course at OU titled "Isms" For a semester, we studied Capitalism, Socialism, Fascism, Communism, etc.

But it's okay to sit back and make little snide comments of which you know nothing about.

i'm so proud of you. now i know why you come off as so well read. i hereby direct all questions to the guy with books in his garage. and wow you took political science at ou. that's something no undergrad has done. you are very qualified in economic and government modalities.

[Curly Bill]

ya its sorta the same ol crap you turd pubs blame obama for, huh?

the funny thing is that people that identify themselves as republicans have been proven to be the most misinformed people who participate in elections and repond to polls.

If it's "proven" I guess you'll be supplying us with that proof then, so as to prove that you're not just full of crap??

[Thaumaturge]

But it's okay to sit back and make little snide comments of which you know nothing about.

Indeed, he knows nothing "about of" the little snide comments he makes.

[jk the sooner fan]

the funny thing is that people that identify themselves as republicans have been proven to be the most misinformed people who participate in elections and repond to polls.

http://gallery.mtbr.com/data/mtbr/500/PleaseMakeItStop-749714.jpg

[GKeeper316]

why do all threads devolve into the left wing media conspiracy fallacy? is it the cornerstone of the right's ethos? I REALLY NEED TO KNOW!!!!

because from a marketing standpoint, what fox has done is brilliant.

before fox it was just "the news".

right wing victimization is the purest form of irony on earth.

[Position Limit]

Beats me about all that. All I know is that you'll find very few peeps that live in Texas that consider the Dallas Morning News to be right-wing. Admittedly that's surprising because you'd think it would be, but it's simply not.

SCORE!!!! touchdown left wing media conspiracy team. texas people say so. go. team. fight. win.

[OutlandTrophy]

I'm amazed that GKeeper316 is allowed to spread his racist views on this messageboard.

[olevetonahill]

ya its sorta the same ol crap you turd pubs blame obama for, huh?

the funny thing is that people that identify themselves as republicans have been proven to be the most misinformed people who participate in elections and repond to polls.

Just when I thot you couldnt possibly post anything dumber, you come along with this.:D

[Curly Bill]

SCORE!!!! touchdown left wing media conspiracy team. texas people say so. go. team. fight. win.

You're funny when you're losing an argument. You learned that as a defense mechanism at an early age I bet. :P

[Position Limit]

because from a marketing standpoint, what fox has done is brilliant.

before fox it was just "the news".

right wing victimization is the purest form of irony on earth.

no doy. but lets keep it quiet. perpetuation of consipracy is more funner.

[CrimsonCream]

Right to Conservative. I only throw right in now after they fired Glenn Beck and hired Juan Williams and Chris Wallace.

I think Beck left to start GBTV (Glenn Beck TV) and do special projects for Fox. He will take his show with him.

Fox has more Lefty opinions than anyone else has Righty. Juan Williams, Alan Colmes, Marc Lamont Hill, Bob Beckel, Kirsten Powers, Patrick Caddell, etc.

[StoopTroup]

I don't think Curly really is a Republican. He's more of a turd pointer/**** stirrer IMO.

I think that's what makes thing so interesting is that most normal people know that Money is all that is in the way of this being a great Country again.

[Curly Bill]

I don't think Curly really is a Republican. He's more of a turd pointer/**** stirrer IMO.

I think that's what makes thing so interesting is that most normal people know that Money is all that is in the way of this being a great Country again.

I'm registered Republican, but don't side with em on everything. I just like kicking the more extreme lefties in the junk, because the two or three of em that keep yapping in this thread are dumber than a bag of hammers, and at least one of em has an extreme propensity to get his feelers hurt and get mad. It's fun slapping em around. :D

[Position Limit]

I think Beck left to start GBTV (Glenn Beck TV) and do special projects for Fox. He will take his show with him.

Fox has more Lefty opinions than anyone else has Righty. Juan Williams, Alan Colmes, Marc Lamont Hill, Bob Beckel, Kirsten Powers, Patrick Caddell, etc.

are you signed up for GBTV? oh goodie, life takes on new meaning for you. fox has more lefty opinions than righty because the are awesome on levels that none of us can begin to understand. they are a beacon of intellectual news content. nobody can question thier awesomness. i bow down when i see it broadcasted.

[SpankyNek]

I bet I have more hardback books in my garage than you do in your whole house. Three of the walls are lined with them.

Plus, you obviously never took the Political Science course at OU titled "Isms" For a semester, we studied Capitalism, Socialism, Fascism, Communism, etc.

But it's okay to sit back and make little snide comments of which you know nothing about.
Here is my complete quotation, along with the contextual subject for which I gave reply:





Originally Posted by OU_Sooners75
He may not say that he is a socialist, but just take a look what he wants to do!.

Obamacare = very socialistic.
Bigger Government = Socialistic.

Im not saying he is a socialist, but he is very close to one if he isn't.

Originally Posted by CrimsonCream
He is.

He's on record saying that he wants to redistribute the wealth.
Originally Posted by SpankyNek
The only means that he has even attempted to do so are in polar opposition to "socialistic-ness"

Perhaps reading books instead of message boards and political blogs is in order....

This makes the picture rather clear. One person claims that "Obamacare" is socialist (Miles from the proper usage of the term, as it is nothing more that a capitalist mandate to spend currency) and that Socialism is indicative of bigger government. Neither of these statements is based in fact at all.

Then you comment that our President is Socialist because he wants to re-distribute wealth (Never mind that any statements or actions used in an attempt to do so were done without using socialist principle), making it your cornerstone benchmark as a litmus test for Socialism. There has been no serious advocation given by anyone in our federal government of taking ALL money and giving it (Equally) to ALL people.

If you can find a single example in any of your hard-bound books that would equate "Obamacare" and any other state controlled means of wealth distribution via taxation as Socialism, feel free to cite it..any format is fine.

[Position Limit]

I'm registered Republican, but don't side with em on everything. I just like kicking the more extreme lefties in the junk, becasue the two or three of em that keep yapping in this thread are dumber than a box of hammers, and at least one of em has an extreme propensity to get his feelers hurt and get mad. It's fun slapping em around. :D

you are a true stalwart. and a political scholar. i'm in awe of your self proclaimed nut kickin ability.

[The Maestro]

I might stay awake if you opine some more about women and the presidency.

I just might! ;)

[GKeeper316]

Just when I thot you couldnt possibly post anything dumber, you come along with this.:D

suck it, fat man... this is just a blog, but sources are citied.

June 19, 2011 12:00 PMThe ‘most consistently misinformed media viewers’ (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_06/the_most_consistently_misinfor030360.php#)

By Steve Benen
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I’d be remiss if I didn’t also flag this gem from Jon Stewart’s appearance on “Fox News Sunday” this morning. He was explaining that he, as a comedian, doesn’t deserve credibility in political media, and it’s ultimately the result of “the disappointment the public has in what the news media does.”
Chris Wallace rejected the premise, arguing that Fox News viewers “aren’t the least bit disappointed” with what their preferred network does. Stewart’s response (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201106190001) was an important one.
“In polls,” Stewart said, in a surprisingly angry tone, “who are the most consistently misinformed media viewers? The most consistently misinformed? Fox. Fox viewers. Consistently. Every poll.”
Wallace then changed the subject.
I suppose I can’t blame the host for that, because what Stewart said happens to be true. Fox News’ minions “aren’t the least bit disappointed” with what the Republican news network provides, but they’re not actually learning anything about current events or the world around them.
The quantifiable evidence is overwhelming. Eight years ago, just six months into the war in Iraq, the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland found that those who relied on the Republican network were “three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions — about WMD in Iraq, Saddam Hussein was involved with 9/11, and foreign support for the U.S. position on the war in Iraq.”
As Ben Armbruster noted (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/12/16/poll-fox-news-misinformation/) a while back, “An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll out [in 2009] found that Fox News viewers were overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals. A 2008 Pew study ranked Fox News last in the number of ‘high knowledge’ viewers and a 2007 Pew poll ranked Fox viewers as the least knowledgeable about national and international affairs.”
The problem is actually getting worse.
In December, PIPA published a report, this time on “Misinformation and the 2010 Election (http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/dec10/Misinformation_Dec10_rpt.pdf)” (pdf). The point was to measure Americans’ understanding of a variety of key developments that news consumers would likely be familiar with. As was the case eight years ago, Fox News viewers were “significantly more likely” to be confused about reality.
Researchers found that Americans who paid more attention to the news were more likely to know about current events. But Americans who relied on Fox News were “significantly more likely than those who never watched it to believe”:
* most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)
* most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)
* the economy is getting worse (26 points)
* most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)
* the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)
* their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)
* the auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)
* when TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)
* and that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)
This point, in particular, seems especially noteworthy: in some cases, regular Fox News viewers would have done better, statistically speaking, if they had received no news at all and simply guessed whether the claims about current events were accurate.
What’s more, this isn’t necessarily about party affiliations — Democrats who watch Fox News were worse off (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201012170010) than Democrats who relied on legitimate news organizations (though Dems who watch Fox News were still less confused than Republicans who watch Fox News).
It would take an unlikely twist of self-reflection, but at a certain point, Fox News and its audience might take a moment to ponder why these viewers are so wrong, so often, about so much. That almost certainly won’t happen, of course, in part because the network and its viewers aren’t quite informed enough to realize they’re misinformed.
That said, Wallace is certainly correct in his observation: the network’s viewers “aren’t the least bit disappointed” with what Fox News airs.
Why would they be? Ignorance is bliss.

[Curly Bill]

you are a true stalwart. and a political scholar. i'm in awe of your self proclaimed nut kickin ability.

And I'm in awe of your nutt lickin ability. I know you haven't admitted to that, but that's the aura you give off. ;)

[StoopTroup]

I'm registered Republican, but don't side with em on everything. I just like kicking the more extreme lefties in the junk, because the two or three of em that keep yapping in this thread are dumber than a bag of hammers, and at least one of em has an extreme propensity to get his feelers hurt and get mad. It's fun slapping em around. :D

Exactly.

[olevetonahill]

Gomer sure seems to think hes bothering me by calling me Fat.
hell Boy, I aint FAT , Im ****in OBESE pay tention.:D

[tcrb]

You're totally full of crap because the Dallas Morning News is definitely NOT a right-wing newspaper.

And neither is the Houston Chronicle.

[Curly Bill]

And neither is the Houston Chronicle.

I think a certain silly little poster on the left just started naming papers he assumed would be right-wing and ran with it. I guess he hadn't thought some of us might actually read some of those papers. It was a nice try though. :D

[Position Limit]

And neither is the Houston Chronicle.

touchdown!!!!

[CrimsonCream]

are you signed up for GBTV? oh goodie, life takes on new meaning for you. fox has more lefty opinions than righty because the are awesome on levels that none of us can begin to understand. they are a beacon of intellectual news content. nobody can question thier awesomness. i bow down when i see it broadcasted.

As usual you make no sense. And No, I don't watch Glenn Beck.

Just a classic case of having an alligator mouth and a hummingbird @sshole.

[Curly Bill]

touchdown!!!!

I'm beginning to pick up on something...you were a male cheerleader in high school! Am I right? :D

[Mississippi Sooner]

a hummingbird @sshole.

:hot:

[The Profit]

you are a true stalwart. and a political scholar. i'm in awe of your self proclaimed nut kickin ability.




He couldn't kick Christmas nuts. Dogs that bark don't often bite, but he is a keyboard heavyweight champion for sure.

[The Profit]

And neither is the Houston Chronicle.




The Dallas Morning News and the Houston Chronicle are both right wing newspapers. I worked in journalism. My brother was a journalist. I know where the right wing papers are. By the way, add The Arizona Republic to the list.

[OutlandTrophy]

I worked in journalism.

throwing papers is considered "being in journalism"?

[The Profit]

Who in the **** is "Danny"?




I thought it was the ....... alligator's name. I've got to call Martin Nature Center and tell them to quit calling it that.

[Curly Bill]

The Dallas Morning News and the Houston Chronicle are both right wing newspapers. I worked in journalism. My brother was a journalist. I know where the right wing papers are. By the way, add The Arizona Republic to the list.

Oh, we stand corrected then. :rolleyes:

We didn't know you worked in journalism.

[olevetonahill]

I thought it was the ....... alligator's name. I've got to call Martin Nature Center and tell them to quit calling it that.

You do that Twinkle toes.

[Curly Bill]

He couldn't kick Christmas nuts. Dogs that bark don't often bite, but he is a keyboard heavyweight champion for sure.

Weren't you the one with the tough guy act earlier today? So, are you that tough guy journalist, or are you the the nerdy little kid that says stuff like you're above post? You're such a conundrum. LOL

[The Profit]

I'm beginning to pick up on something...you were a male cheerleader in high school! Am I right? :D



No, but George W. Bush was as a matter of fact. A president that was a frigging male cheerleader. That should have told us everything that we needed to know.

[Position Limit]

As usual you make no sense. And No, I don't watch Glenn Beck.

Just a classic case of having an alligator mouth and a hummingbird @sshole.

what was so hard to understand? i thought you have a garage full of books?

[jk the sooner fan]

the DMN is NOT a conservative paper, i dont care what job you had in journalism

i went to the doctor once, that doesnt make me a surgeon

i read the DMN on a daily basis - while i wouldnt call it wildly liberal - it leans more to the left than it does the right

[CrimsonCream]

throwing papers is considered "being in journalism"?

:)

[The Profit]

Weren't you the one with the tough guy act earlier today? So, are you that tough guy journalist, or are you the the nerdy little kid that says stuff like you're above post? You're such a conundrum. LOL



I stand by my statement. You couldn't kick Christmas nuts. And yes, I am a mystery wrapped in an enigma--a liberal that never backs down from a fight.

[Curly Bill]

No, but George W. Bush was as a matter of fact. A president that was a frigging male cheerleader. That should have told us everything that we needed to know.

But unlike those of you that hang off Obama's testicles, you haven't seen me defending Bush. So...knock yourself out on attacking him.

...but I have to ask why you're extreme hatred for him? Turned you down for a date when your squads met up at that big cheer competition? :P

[OutlandTrophy]

a liberal that never backs down from a fight.

another way to say that is, Often wrong but never in doubt!

[tcrb]

The Dallas Morning News and the Houston Chronicle are both right wing newspapers. I worked in journalism. My brother was a journalist. I know where the right wing papers are. By the way, add The Arizona Republic to the list.

Apparently you either dont know journalism, or you unable to distinguish the difference between the right and the left....or there is the distinct possibility that you have never even laid eyes on a newspaper from Houston (that'd be my guess). I live here and read the rag on a fairly regular basis. The Houston Chronicle is almost as left as the NYT.

[Curly Bill]

I stand by my statement. You couldn't kick Christmas nuts. And yes, I am a mystery wrapped in an enigma--a liberal that never backs down from a fight.

But I bet your favorite kind of fights are those when you and your boys dress up in panties and have tickle fights. :D

[The Profit]

the DMN is NOT a conservative paper, i dont care what job you had in journalism

i went to the doctor once, that doesnt make me a surgeon

i read the DMN on a daily basis - while i wouldnt call it wildly liberal - it leans more to the left than it does the right




The Dallas Morning News has always been and still is a conservative newspaper.

[Position Limit]

But I bet your favorite kind of fights are those when you and your boys dress up in panties and have tickle fights. :D

seriously, you have too many homoerotic references. something you want to tell us?

[olevetonahill]

The Dallas Morning News and the Houston Chronicle are both right wing newspapers. I worked in journalism. My brother was a journalist. I know where the right wing papers are. By the way, add The Arizona Republic to the list.

I dont think this qualify's as "Working in journalism"

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[The Profit]

Apparently you either dont know journalism, or you unable to distinguish the difference between the right and the left....or there is the distinct possibility that you have never even laid eyes on a newspaper from Houston (that'd be my guess). I live here and read the rag on a fairly regular basis. The Houston Chronicle is almost as left as the NYT.





Google up America's Most Conservative Newspapers and you will find both the Houston Chronicle and Dallas Morning News.

[Curly Bill]

The Dallas Morning News has always been and still is a conservative newspaper.

Maybe to those of you that have posters of Marx on the wall.

[SpankyNek]

the DMN is NOT a conservative paper, i dont care what job you had in journalism

i went to the doctor once, that doesnt make me a surgeon

i read the DMN on a daily basis - while i wouldnt call it wildly liberal - it leans more to the left than it does the right

I think it has to do with what viewpoint you are looking in from. The Houston Chronicle is generally thought of as a "Liberal Rag" by many conservatives I talk with, but (without looking/researching) I would guess it has been quite a long time since either paper endorsed a Democrat for President.

[Curly Bill]

seriously, you have too many homoerotic references. something you want to tell us?

That you're gay. Is it not spelled out for you? I think you're as gay as a flaming gay person can possibly be. :D

[The Profit]

I dont think this qualify's as "Working in journalism"

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Whatever, Mt. Dew.

[OutlandTrophy]

I think it has to do with what viewpoint you are looking in from. The Houston Chronicle is generally thought of as a "Liberal Rag" by many conservatives I talk with, but (without looking/researching) I would guess it has been quite a long time since either paper endorsed a Democrat for President.
2008 was the last time the Houston Chronicle endorsed a Democrat for the Presidency of the United States.

[Curly Bill]

Google up America's Most Conservative Newspapers and you will find both the Houston Chronicle and Dallas Morning News.

Oh hell, Google and your having worked in journalism. Now, we're finally convinced. ;)

[tcrb]

I think it has to do with what viewpoint you are looking in from. The Houston Chronicle is generally thought of as a "Liberal Rag" by many conservatives I talk with, but (without looking/researching) I would guess it has been quite a long time since either paper endorsed a Democrat for President.

I dont recall much about their presidential endorsements, but the HC was beating Bill White's drum and were instrumental with the election of the very liberal Houston Mayor, Anise Parker. The HC is a liberal leaning media outlet by any definition, regardless of whatever opinionated internet list a google search might turn up.

[CrimsonCream]

But I bet your favorite kind of fights are those when you and your boys dress up in panties and have tickle fights. :D

Curley Bill, you are on an absolute roll today.

This is what I want in a Republican candidate. Somebody that will take hold of Obama's nuts, squeeze and not let go when he starts lying, deceiving and bullsh*tting.

Make the Scumbag run on his sorry pathetic record of almost three years that a couple guys here obviously admire. But he thinks he can talk his way out of anything.

Sleaze will say, "It could have been worse if we had not done anything." Of course, blame Bush.

Just run the clip of the Turd chuckling over the "shovel ready jobs" and the $853 billion Stimulus and see how funny the American people think that is.

Also ask if there is a 2011 Federal Budget yet.

[olevetonahill]

Whatever, Mt. Dew.

Oh my , you just keep wounding me with that Mt. Dew ****.:rolleyes:

[SpankyNek]

2008 was the last time the Houston Chronicle endorsed a Democrat for the Presidency of the United States.

You are correct, sir.

I knew that my statement might have been a bit precarious right after I wrote it.

[OutlandTrophy]

:)

to be fair, the same article says that that paper has endorsed 11 Rs and 2 Ds in the past 50 years