They have rights!!!!!!!

[okie52]

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[sooner59]

I say just take down every bit of information there is about these people's lives, give them a social security number, get them set up with the IRS, and call them citizens. Maybe then since they would be legal citizens, they can pay taxes, have the government know everything about them like we do, and then they will STFU.

[okie52]

No need to reward this rabble for their illicit behavior.

Firing squads would remedy a lot of this problem.

[SpankyNek]

No need to reward this rabble for their illicit behavior.

Firing squads would remedy a lot of this problem.

So would amnesty.

[SoCaliSooner]

If that were here in SoCal that crowd would have been 30 times bigger.

Somebody needs to ask that little brown baby maker how she's being denied access to education that she claims is happening. Ask her about the attacks she claims her people are subject to and explain to her that there are far more attacks on legal citizens done by her fellow illegals who are swelling the hispanic gangs.

[SpankyNek]

I simply don't know how I could deport someone that was obviously brought to this country against their will (What decisions can 1, 2, and 3 year old kids make?

They are no different than any other child...perhaps we should have killed all of those natives back in the day, Okie.

[okie52]

So would amnesty.

Really, look what amnesty did for us 30 years ago.

[okie52]

I simply don't know how I could deport someone that was obviously brought to this country against their will (What decisions can 1, 2, and 3 year old kids make?

They are no different than any other child...perhaps we should have killed all of those natives back in the day, Okie.

Brought against their will? They are still free to go home as are their illegal parents.

Killed which natives?

[pphilfran]

We tried that...where did it get us?

I don't care what we do with the ones that have been in the US for a significant amount of time...shoot em, jail em, deport em, give em a path to citizenship...pick one...do it...make it happen...

At the same time I expect a solid fed plant that will keep this same crap from happening 20 or 30 years down the road...

[SpankyNek]

Really, look what amnesty did for us 30 years ago.

We are the "Moral police force" of the world...now way we would harm any of these folks.

The Civil rights movement was largely a by-product of having to live up to the standard we declared by deriding the Communist dictatorships after WWII.

We keep pointing fingers in the middle east, and we are going to have to "up" our ethics in unison.

[Mongo]

We keep pointing fingers in the middle east, and we are going to have to "up" our ethics in unison.

how about the middle east get on our level of ethics first, then we will discuss what to do with law breakers

[okie52]

We are the "Moral police force" of the world...now way we would harm any of these folks.

The Civil rights movement was largely a by-product of having to live up to the standard we declared by deriding the Communist dictatorships after WWII.

We keep pointing fingers in the middle east, and we are going to have to "up" our ethics in unison.


This has nothing to do with illegal immigration...unless you believe we are not a sovereign nation with a right to protect its borders.

[SpankyNek]

how about the middle east get on our level of ethics first, then we will discuss what to do with law breakers

Depending on what you attribute ethics to, the Middle East blows us away...they are far more stringent followers of biblical ethics, for example.

If you view ethics more as an amorphous idea based upon equality (a rather modern, and Liberal stance) then I would agree.

[SpankyNek]

This has nothing to do with illegal immigration...unless you believe we are not a sovereign nation with a right to protect its borders.

You believe that Firing Squads would be viewed, by the rest of the educated world, as a moral solution.

What are your personal philosophical beliefs, and do they always fall in line with violent application of federal law?

[okie52]

You believe that Firing Squads would be viewed, by the rest of the educated world, as a moral solution.

What are your personal philosophical beliefs, and do they always fall in line with violent application of federal law?

My personal philosophical beliefs find it astonishing and reprehensible that people illegally in this country have the temerity to protest about their "rights" openly on our streets along with those that support them.

If a "reasonable" appeal to the invaders is not enough then force should be used.

How about you? Amnesty your solution for 13-30,000,000 invaders? Open borders?

Annexation of Juarez?

[SpankyNek]

My personal philosophical beliefs find it astonishing and reprehensible that people illegally in this country have the temerity to protest about their "rights" openly on our streets along with those that support them.

If a "reasonable" appeal to the invaders is not enough then force should be used.

How about you? Amnesty your solution for 13-30,000,000 invaders? Open borders?

Annexation of Juarez?
Amnesty for all under 18.

Multi-year citizenship/education plan for all over that age that have been lawful in all matters domestic since arrival.

Immediate deportation to Mexico requiring a compact with Mexican officials to immediately prosecute all offenders in exchange for the amnesty.

I would be immediately willing to add ANY land mass to the US, regarding Juarez.

Mainly, it's dollar diplomacy, make Mexico as good of an option as the US and they won't want to emigrate from there. You can put land mines, whatever where there is a will there is a way...we have to eliminate the will.

[87sooner]

My personal philosophical beliefs find it astonishing and reprehensible that people illegally in this country have the temerity to protest about their "rights" openly on our streets along with those that support them.

If a "reasonable" appeal to the invaders is not enough then force should be used.

How about you? Amnesty your solution for 13-30,000,000 invaders? Open borders?

Annexation of Juarez?

whatever we do....we better do it fast....cuz the mexicans are breeding like mosquitoes on a rainy oklahoma spring day and they will be the majority in many places soon...
then they will flex their political muscle and remake this country into their own....whatever that will be...

[sappstuf]

I blame big business who was an obvious sponsor of this event....

[sappstuf]

Amnesty for all under 18.

Multi-year citizenship/education plan for all over that age that have been lawful in all matters domestic since arrival.

Immediate deportation to Mexico requiring a compact with Mexican officials to immediately prosecute all offenders in exchange for the amnesty.

I would be immediately willing to add ANY land mass to the US, regarding Juarez.

Mainly, it's dollar diplomacy, make Mexico as good of an option as the US and they won't want to emigrate from there. You can put land mines, whatever where there is a will there is a way...we have to eliminate the will.

You are basically calling for amnesty for all Mexicans... Cause they all have kids and I don't think you have the fortitude to break up families...

[Memtig14]

So would amnesty.

We did it once......and they kept coming in even larger numbers. It can't go on forever.

[Memtig14]

We are the "Moral police force" of the world...now way we would harm any of these folks.

The Civil rights movement was largely a by-product of having to live up to the standard we declared by deriding the Communist dictatorships after WWII.

We keep pointing fingers in the middle east, and we are going to have to "up" our ethics in unison.

depends on what you call ethics. By their "ethics" it is logical to cut the hands off of a thief, stone women to death for supposed adultry....etc....

[Mongo]

Depending on what you attribute ethics to, the Middle East blows us away...they are far more stringent followers of biblical ethics, for example.

If you view ethics more as an amorphous idea based upon equality (a rather modern, and Liberal stance) then I would agree.

so which standard were you bitching about Merica?

[SpankyNek]

so which standard were you bitching about Merica?

I wasn't bitching, merely pointing out that history tends to repeat itself, and the further we go in demonizing other societies, the more progressive we become (As a general rule).

[Mongo]

I wasn't bitching, merely pointing out that history tends to repeat itself, and the further we go in demonizing other societies, the more progressive we become (As a general rule).

you babbled about moral police, then used the middle east as an example, then said we should up our ethics. you compared the US to the middle east. I am asking which standard you are using for that post, one of two you listed.

are you so smart you babble yourself into tard mode?

[Shakadoodoo]

If Americans are so moral, then why do we have the highest crime rate of any country?

[sooner_born_1960]

We commit mostly moral crimes?

[87sooner]

If Americans are so moral, then why do we have the highest crime rate of any country?

because our laws/punishments are humane...almost excessively...tilted towards the criminals....
not a deterrent like the muslims that cut off body parts or the chinese that just kill you...

[Dan Thompson]

The population of Santa Ana, CA is the largest mexican population outside of Mexico.

Mexico's second largest source of income, behind oil, is money sent home by mexicans in the US.

Just imagine what all that money would do for the economy here at home.

[AlboSooner]

Were they all deported?

[SpankyNek]

you babbled about moral police, then used the middle east as an example, then said we should up our ethics. you compared the US to the middle east. I am asking which standard you are using for that post, one of two you listed.

are you so smart you babble yourself into tard mode?
I never said we "SHOULD" up our ethics, I said that we inevitably WOULD if we continue to pass judgment upon and attempt to fundamentally change the Middle East.

Here are the quotations in question (I presume):

We are the "Moral police force" of the world...now[sic] way we would harm any of these folks.

The Civil rights movement was largely a by-product of having to live up to the standard we declared by deriding the Communist dictatorships after WWII.

We keep pointing fingers in the middle east, and we are going to have to "up" our ethics in unison.


Depending on what you attribute ethics to, the Middle East blows us away...they are far more stringent followers of biblical ethics, for example.

If you view ethics more as an amorphous idea based upon equality (a rather modern, and Liberal stance) then I would agree.

I clearly stated in the second one, that the standard upon which I define ethics is an"..idea based upon equality (a rather modern, and Liberal stance)"

I have no idea what "tard mode" is, but I would refrain from using such verbiage if I were you. It appears you would have extreme difficulty obtaining even an average score on the reading comprehension sections of any major college-entrance examination.

Babbling....really? I wholeheartedly attempt to be concise in my word selection, leaving little room for ambiguity.

[Memtig14]

The population of Santa Ana, CA is the largest mexican population outside of Mexico.

Mexico's second largest source of income, behind oil, is money sent home by mexicans in the US.

Just imagine what all that money would do for the economy here at home.

And thank you for mentioning that. It is something often overlooked.

[Shakadoodoo]

because our laws/punishments are humane...almost excessively...tilted towards the criminals....
not a deterrent like the muslims that cut off body parts or the chinese that just kill you...

That is because we follow a different philosophy than those countries - We are utilitarian meaning we follow a theory of punishment that seeks to punish offenders to discourage, or "deter," future wrongdoing - not a retributive theory which seeks to punish offenders because they deserve to be punished.

I do not think that has anything to do with being moral or immoral - just a different philosophy of "morality".

[Shakadoodoo]

The population of Santa Ana, CA is the largest mexican population outside of Mexico.

Mexico's second largest source of income, behind oil, is money sent home by mexicans in the US.

Just imagine what all that money would do for the economy here at home.

I think that is one of their plans with the dollar changing to the Amero - The borders will be wide open then!

There must be a reason that no president does much to close the borders - I think they know something that we peons know not!

[AlboSooner]

I think that is one of their plans with the dollar changing to the Amero - The borders will be wide open then!



Will Mexico bring down the wall they build to keep Guatemalans out? (http://nation.foxnews.com/us-mexico-border-fence/2010/09/23/mexico-building-fence-its-southern-border)

[Memtig14]

Will Mexico bring down the wall they build to keep Guatemalans out? (http://nation.foxnews.com/us-mexico-border-fence/2010/09/23/mexico-building-fence-its-southern-border)

Oh the irony. :)

[SoCaliSooner]

The population of Santa Ana, CA is the largest mexican population outside of Mexico.

Mexico's second largest source of income, behind oil, is money sent home by mexicans in the US.

Just imagine what all that money would do for the economy here at home.

Do you honestly believe that suddenly they'll stop sending money back to their families in mexico? Do you also believe that Santa Ana will stop being a gang/ crime infested cesspool once they suddenly are now legal...and still make little to no effort to learn English or assimilate?

[Shakadoodoo]

Will Mexico bring down the wall they build to keep Guatemalans out? (http://nation.foxnews.com/us-mexico-border-fence/2010/09/23/mexico-building-fence-its-southern-border)

That sounds more like a ploy to make Americans think they are being strong on drugs. Now they will all go through Belize.

In any case - the Amero is suppose to include Canada, America and Mexico - therefor that question has no relevance.

[Whet]

So, if a kid's parents rob banks and uses that money to buy a home, car, and other merchandise, the kid gets to keep all that stuff because they had no say in the robbing of banks by the parents?

[SpankyNek]

So, if a kid's parents rob banks and uses that money to buy a home, car, and other merchandise, the kid gets to keep all that stuff because they had no say in the robbing of banks by the parents?

No, but it would be morally questionable to charge the child as an accomplice in the robberies merely because they were in the car at the time, or force them to pay additional restitution for the crimes of their father.

[Shakadoodoo]

So, if a kid's parents rob banks and uses that money to buy a home, car, and other merchandise, the kid gets to keep all that stuff because they had no say in the robbing of banks by the parents?

Native Americans and African Americans have been asking that question for years!

[Whet]

No, but it would be morally questionable to charge the child as an accomplice in the robberies merely because they were in the car at the time, or force them to pay additional restitution for the crimes of their father.

So, the kids brought over here illegally should not be able to take advantage of that illegal act by their parents.

[sooner ngintunr]

If Americans are so moral, then why do we have the highest crime rate of any country?

Minority immigrants?

[TitoMorelli]

I wasn't bitching, merely pointing out that history tends to repeat itself, and the further we go in demonizing other societies, the more progressive we become (As a general rule).

So you finally admit that progressives are those who are most intolerant and who demonize others? ;)

[sooner ngintunr]

So, the kids brought over here illegally should not be able to take advantage of that illegal act by their parents.

That's what I got out of it.

They need to go the **** back home.

[Memtig14]

So, the kids brought over here illegally should not be able to take advantage of that illegal act by their parents.

Thank you Thank you Thank you

[okie52]

Native Americans and African Americans have been asking that question for years!

Yep...the Chickasaws are feeling really cheated.

[Shakadoodoo]

Minority immigrants?

Whites (majority immigrants) have committed most of the crimes in this country, but "somehow", they are convicted far less.



http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

[Shakadoodoo]

Yep...the Chickasaws are feeling really cheated.

I am sure the Chickasaws that are 1/64th Indian by marriage that run the casinos don't feel cheated at all. The full blood Chickasaws are pretty much all dead.

[Blue]

Whites (majority immigrants) have committed most of the crimes in this country, but "somehow", they are convicted far less.



http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

Don't you have a flash mob scheduled for right about now to knock off a convenience store?

[Mongo]

I never said we "SHOULD" up our ethics, I said that we inevitably WOULD if we continue to pass judgment upon and attempt to fundamentally change the Middle East.

Here are the quotations in question (I presume):




I clearly stated in the second one, that the standard upon which I define ethics is an"..idea based upon equality (a rather modern, and Liberal stance)"

I have no idea what "tard mode" is, but I would refrain from using such verbiage if I were you. It appears you would have extreme difficulty obtaining even an average score on the reading comprehension sections of any major college-entrance examination.

Babbling....really? I wholeheartedly attempt to be concise in my word selection, leaving little room for ambiguity.

babbling= philosophical waxing on a point that is off subject.

you brought up stuff that has nothing to do with the illegal "rights" in this country to try to sound smart

[Shakadoodoo]

Don't you have a flash mob scheduled for right about now to knock off a convenience store?

If the SOB's that forced their last name upon me owns a convenient store - I'll assemble a flash mob asap!

[Memtig14]

Whites (majority immigrants) have committed most of the crimes in this country, but "somehow", they are convicted far less.

Are you mixing "past" tense (committed) with current conviction rates?

[SpankyNek]

babbling= philosophical waxing on a point that is off subject.

you brought up stuff that has nothing to do with the illegal "rights" in this country to try to sound smart

So, now the great Mongo, the same guy that had such difficulty comprehending ENGLISH, purports that my motive was "to try and sound smart."

Let me clarify a few things for you.

I do not fit in a political box, my platform is one that I, alone, have created. This platform is in a constant state of flux, as I have yet to experience what will happen tomorrow.

I stated a clear parallel between the current situation and one that our country has been in before, both regarding domestic "civil rights" issues while fighting Eurasian (primarily) wars of ideology.

The purpose of this was to extend the debate's relativity, both historically and personally. I was curious to find what others might think of this "coincidence."

At no time did I, while writing the two quotations that you attacked, consider the "smart-lookingness" of either, rather, I was hoping to engage into a dialogue with anyone on the board that might want to explore the philosophical ramifications of our current time/situation, and expound upon possible rational conclusions that could occur due to our state of affairs.

If you would care to discuss the merits of a more simple argument, such as whether or not we should just put these kids in front of a firing squad, please direct your comments to others on this topic.

I try to stay out of such quagmire.

[Shakadoodoo]

Are you mixing "past" tense (committed) with current conviction rates?

I used past tense because the stats for 2011 are not complete yet.

[Blue]

If the SOB's that forced their last name upon me owns a convenient store - I'll assemble a flash mob asap!

Oops. forgot the winky. ;)

[Shakadoodoo]

Oops. forgot the winky. ;)

Ohh, OK - Then I digress!

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Gee, we have two threads competing for wisdom about the folks who are illegally present. I'm torn as to where I should post. I don't want to hurt OP Okie52's feelers.

[Memtig14]

Whites (majority immigrants) have committed most of the crimes in this country, but "somehow", they are convicted far less.



http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

I don't find where it says "Whites have committed most of the crimes in this country, ..."

[Shakadoodoo]

I don't find where it says "Whites have committed most of the crimes in this country, ..."

I'm sure you know how to follow the links into what year you want to look at and see the raw numbers. I just gave you the main page so you could pick what year and what type of crime you wanted to look at.

[okie52]

I am sure the Chickasaws that are 1/64th Indian by marriage that run the casinos don't feel cheated at all. The full blood Chickasaws are pretty much all dead.

Blood doesn't transfer by marriage. There are about 1,000 full blood Chickasaws left and the Chickasaws have made a lot of money off oil and gas interests, too. A He11 of a lot more than if they were still in Bama or Mississippi.

[JLEW1818]

beans

[crawfish]

How would this type of thing go over in any European country?

[Dan Thompson]

Next time I go to Mexico, I am going to demand my rights, after I find out what rights I have, if any.

[crawfish]

Next time I go to Mexico, I am going to demand my rights, after I find out what rights I have, if any.

The right to die in a Mexican prison. :)

[Shakadoodoo]

Blood doesn't transfer by marriage..


I was being a little sarcastic with the 1/64th comment but I do know that back in the 1800's many whites married Indians so they would be classified as Indians. I am sure that does not happen now.


There are about 1,000 full blood Chickasaws left and the Chickasaws have made a lot of money off oil and gas interests, too.

Wikipedia says the total population of Chickasaw Indians is about 47,298 - And you say there are only 1000 full bloods left - In my opinion - they are about all dead. Plus it makes me mad when I see that blond haired blue eyed lady talking about how she is a Chickasaw Indian on one of their commercials - She does not look Indian to me. I guess it makes me mad because most blacks in Oklahoma - (and really in the country) but especially Oklahoma have Indian Blood in them but once you have a little black in you - then your considered 100% negro. (unless you become the President).

Also - I see a lot of Full Blood Indians all throughout downtown Tulsa and surrounding areas- getting drunk off of Mouthwash and complaining about how so called white Indians are the ones making all the money and none trickles down to the true Indians. They absolutely detest those Indians that are making all of that profit. (I do realize that some of that is their fault because they do not take care of business) but I am sure there is some truth to that. As much money as the casinos make - there should not be one broke full blood Indian in America!


A He11 of a lot more than if they were still in Bama or Mississippi.

That is only a hypothetical. That's like black "sell outs" saying that if it were not for slavery we would not be in the "Great" USA... as if European colonization made countries better for the original inhabitants. I think America would have been just fine without European colonization and thinking otherwise is very ethnocentric!

[okie52]

I was being a little sarcastic with the 1/64th comment but I do know that back in the 1800's many whites married Indians so they would be classified as Indians. I am sure that does not happen now.



Wikipedia says the total population of Chickasaw Indians is about 47,298 - And you say there are only 1000 full bloods left - In my opinion - they are about all dead. Plus it makes me mad when I see that blond haired blue eyed lady talking about how she is a Chickasaw Indian on one of their commercials - She does not look Indian to me. I guess it makes me mad because most blacks in Oklahoma - (and really in the country) but especially Oklahoma have Indian Blood in them but once you have a little black in you - then your considered 100% negro. (unless you become the President).

Also - I see a lot of Full Blood Indians all throughout downtown Tulsa and surrounding areas- getting drunk off of Mouthwash and complaining about how so called white Indians are the ones making all the money and none trickles down to the true Indians. They absolutely detest those Indians that are making all of that profit. (I do realize that some of that is their fault because they do not take care of business) but I am sure there is some truth to that. As much money as the casinos make - there should not be one broke full blood Indian in America!



That is only a hypothetical. That's like black "sell outs" saying that if it were not for slavery we would not be in the "Great" USA... as if European colonization made countries better for the original inhabitants. I think America would have been just fine without European colonization and thinking otherwise is very ethnocentric!

I deal with full Blood Chickasaws on a weekly basis. I have probably leased over 100 "full bloods" in the Ada/Ardmore areas. According to the BIA they have knowledge of a little more than 1,000 full blood Chickasaws. The problem with many full bloods (Chickasaws are not alone on this) is that they are not enrolled. When I have asked the ones I have leased why they are not taking advantage of the many benefits that are offered by the Chickasaw Nation their response to me is that "they don't need to be enrolled to prove they are Indian". Well, that is true, but they won't get
the benefits unless they are enrolled.

Most Chickasaws (and Choctaws too) I deal with are proud of the tribes prosperity. Never heard any of them begrudge the profits for the Nation...which is where most of it goes to support their almost free healthcare and many other benefits. Well, the governor and lt. governor wages are a little extreme.

It isn't hypothetical at all to state that the oil lands the Chickasaws, Choctaws, and Cherokees moved to in OK are much more prosperous than the ones they left in Mississippi and Alabama due to the oil that has been produced there for over 100 years.

So you think that the US would have been better off without European colonization? He11, it was colonized by the Indians and Mexicans in their own method of imperialism...they just weren't as good at it as the Euros.
He11, look at Africa and see how advanced it is.

As a card carrying Chickasaw (1/16) I am glad where the Chickasaws are located now and the country where we reside.

[Shakadoodoo]

I deal with full Blood Chickasaws on a weekly basis. I have probably leased over 100 "full bloods" in the Ada/Ardmore areas. According to the BIA they have knowledge of a little more than 1,000 full blood Chickasaws. The problem with many full bloods (Chickasaws are not alone on this) is that they are not enrolled. When I have asked the ones I have leased why they are not taking advantage of the many benefits that are offered by the Chickasaw Nation their response to me is that "they don't need to be enrolled to prove they are Indian". Well, that is true, but they won't get
the benefits unless they are enrolled.

Most Chickasaws (and Choctaws too) I deal with are proud of the tribes prosperity. Never heard any of them begrudge the profits for the Nation...which is where most of it goes to support their almost free healthcare and many other benefits. Well, the governor and lt. governor wages are a little extreme.

It isn't hypothetical at all to state that the oil lands the Chickasaws, Choctaws, and Cherokees moved to in OK are much more prosperous than the ones they left in Mississippi and Alabama due to the oil that has been produced there for over 100 years.

So you think that the US would have been better off without European colonization? He11, it was colonized by the Indians and Mexicans in their own method of imperialism...they just weren't as good at it as the Euros.
He11, look at Africa and see how advanced it is.

As a card carrying Chickasaw (1/16) I am glad where the Chickasaws are located now and the country where we reside.


First off - It is funny you say Indians and Mexicans when they are both Native Americans. One just speaks English and the Other speaks Spanish....and the Native Americans in Canada speak French - I would guess. I know that the Apache Indians are an Aztecan Tribe but since they got caught above the imaginary line - they are considered Indians and the rest of the Aztecs that were caught below the line are now called Mexicans. I think the reason they do not call "Mexicans" by what they are... Native Americans.... is because you can not call them Native American and Illegal Alien at the same time.

I am doing well now so I am not ashamed to admit that at one time I was homeless - I meet many full blood Native Americans at the Salvation Army, John 3:16, Standby, ect.... and those are the Indians I am speaking of. They are not fond of Partial Blood Indians making all of the money while not acknowledging them.

I do not know many full blood Chickasaws or Choctaws (I read somewhere and was told by my Grandmother that they were once the same tribe). I know many full blood Creeks, Seminoles and Cherokees though and those are the full blooded Indians I am speaking of. Maybe the sentiment is different. The only thing I know about the Chickasaws is through my family because my Grandmother was half Chickasaw and from my understanding - they treated the blacks in the tribe like s***! So she was not very fond of them. But the Creeks and the Siminols treated the blacks in the tribe a lot better - and many of the All Black Town in Oklahoma come from those tribes including the Cherokees (http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/A/AL009.html) (Creeks and Seminole were also one tribe at one time in fact the word Seminole means "run away Creek") My grandfather on the other side of my family was half Seminole and when he died he still spoke the Muskogee language. I only mention this to make the point that all of them are not fond of the partial blood white Indians making all the profit and none trickling down to the others while they make decisions of who belongs and who does not belong in the tribe. I have Chickasaw, Seminole, Creek and Cherokee in me but I can not get my Indian card. Even though my names are on the Dawes roll I can not get it because my mother or grandmother on either side of the family did not have one.

So I can only speak what I have experienced and know and I have no Idea how the Indians feel in the Ada area.

As far as Africa not being advanced - I will not wast time giving you a history lesson on how Europe and the Middle East destroyed the African Continent and still till this day rape Africa 90% of its natural resources but you should do your research if you want to know. European colonization, desecration and ethnocentrism has destroyed the foundation of Africa and that is why it is not Advanced today. And it is far more advanced that what the media portrays it to be today.

And you say that millions of Native Americans being murdered by Europeans was good for Native Americans??? I can guarantee that 1/16 of you would beg to differ!

[okie52]

First off - It is funny you say Indians and Mexicans when they are both Native Americans. One just speaks English and the Other speaks Spanish....and the Native Americans in Canada speak French - I would guess. I know that the Apache Indians are an Aztecan Tribe but since they got caught above the imaginary line - they are considered Indians and the rest of the Aztecs that were caught below the line are now called Mexicans. I think the reason they do not call "Mexicans" by what they are... Native Americans.... is because you can not call them Native American and Illegal Alien at the same time.

I am doing well now so I am not ashamed to admit that at one time I was homeless - I meet many full blood Native Americans at the Salvation Army, John 3:16, Standby, ect.... and those are the Indians I am speaking of. They are not fond of Partial Blood Indians making all of the money while not acknowledging them.

I do not know many full blood Chickasaws or Choctaws (I read somewhere and was told by my Grandmother that they were once the same tribe). I know many full blood Creeks, Seminoles and Cherokees though and those are the full blooded Indians I am speaking of. Maybe the sentiment is different. The only thing I know about the Chickasaws is through my family because my Grandmother was half Chickasaw and from my understanding - they treated the blacks in the tribe like s***! So she was not very fond of them. But the Creeks and the Siminols treated the blacks in the tribe a lot better - and many of the All Black Town in Oklahoma come from those tribes including the Cherokees (http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/A/AL009.html) (Creeks and Seminole were also one tribe at one time in fact the word Seminole means "run away Creek") My grandfather on the other side of my family was half Seminole and when he died he still spoke the Muskogee language. I only mention this to make the point that all of them are not fond of the partial blood white Indians making all the profit and none trickling down to the others while they make decisions of who belongs and who does not belong in the tribe. I have Chickasaw, Seminole, Creek and Cherokee in me but I can not get my Indian card. Even though my names are on the Dawes roll I can not get it because my mother or grandmother on either side of the family did not have one.

So I can only speak what I have experienced and know and I have no Idea how the Indians feel in the Ada area.

As far as Africa not being advanced - I will not wast time giving you a history lesson on how Europe and the Middle East destroyed the African Continent and still till this day rape Africa 90% of its natural resources but you should do your research if you want to know. European colonization, desecration and ethnocentrism has destroyed the foundation of Africa and that is why it is not Advanced today. And it is far more advanced that what the media portrays it to be today.

And you say that millions of Native Americans being murdered by Europeans was good for Native Americans??? I can guarantee that 1/16 of you would beg to differ!

I try not to use the term Native American...Indian is good enough for me. In fact, I hate all of those _ _ _ _ _ American terms. Indians are good about telling PC to blow it out its azz.


The terms used to refer to Native Americans are controversial; according to a 1995 US Census Bureau set of home interviews, most of the respondents with an expressed preference refer to themselves as American Indians or Indians.


You think Mexicans and Indians didn't fight each other? They had many conflicts but, as I said, they weren't as good at it as the Euros.

In 1900 the population of the US was 76,000,000. There were 500,000 hispanics living here then. Hardly like 500,000 Euros displacing 76,000,000 Mexicans.

Why is it that the Land of the Pharoahs and the rest of Africa has been unable to join the modern world? Still the Euros fault? All the wars, raping and pillaging that is going on over there now is the Euros fault?

Most Indians were originally Asian and came over on the landbridge on the Bering Straits. They were living somewhere else once, too.

Indians murdered the Euros just like the Euros murdered them. Had the tribes joined together they might have had a chance to throw them out or at least defeat them. But that didn't happen. Now I still have a brain and realize the US is probably much more advanced today because of colonization than if it was left to the Mexicans and Indians (see Mexico).

And you are correct, the Choctaws and the Chickasaws were one tribe a long time ago.

[Mississippi Sooner]

Not to dispute how well the transplanted members of the Five Civilized Tribes did from oil and railroad money that was made in Oklahoma, but I can say for certain that the Mississippi Band of Choctaws have done damn well for themselves since they got casinos here.

[okie52]

Not to dispute how well the transplanted members of the Five Civilized Tribes did from oil and railroad money that was made in Oklahoma, but I can say for certain that the Mississippi Band of Choctaws have done damn well for themselves since they got casinos here.

Glad to hear it. I really wasn't putting down Bama or Mississippi, but rather
I was really alluding to the fact that at that time in the 1830's when the government gave the Chickasaws, et al, land in OK they thought they were giving them crap. And then, lo and behold, oil changed the picture.

[Mississippi Sooner]

Glad to hear it. I really wasn't putting down Bama or Mississippi, but rather
I was really alluding to the fact that at that time in the 1830's when the government gave the Chickasaws, et al, land in OK they thought they were giving them crap. And then, lo and behold, oil changed the picture.

They got some good farming/ranching land, too. Some enterprising white men figured this out and also figured out how to take advantage of it. At least in the Chickasaw Nation, and I suppose in the other Nations as well, if I white man married an Indian woman he could legally farm the land and run cattle. That's how a lot of the big ranches got started back in the days before statehood.

[okie52]

They got some good farming/ranching land, too. Some enterprising white men figured this out and also figured out how to take advantage of it. At least in the Chickasaw Nation, and I suppose in the other Nations as well, if I white man married an Indian woman he could legally farm the land and run cattle. That's how a lot of the big ranches got started back in the days before statehood.

Yeah, those white devils. They also used to get the Indians drunk on firewater and get their land for peanuts (or firewater). That is one of the reasons the BIA established what is known as restricted Indian land. It can only be sold or their minerals leased with the approval of the BIA in an open court sale. A dam slow process to say the least.

In Ok this only applies to the 5 civilized tribes. We don't care about those other savages.

[Mississippi Sooner]

I've wondered how things might have been different for the 5 tribes, if at all, if they hadn't chosen to side with the confederacy during the civil war. I know things would have eventually wound up similar to what they are now, but I don't think there's any doubt that the hammer started to come down pretty hard once the war was over. A lot of people probably don't know that there was once a pretty good push to form an all Indian state named Sequoyah at one point.

[okie52]

I've wondered how things might have been different for the 5 tribes, if at all, if they hadn't chosen to side with the confederacy during the civil war. I know things would have eventually wound up similar to what they are now, but I don't think there's any doubt that the hammer started to come down pretty hard once the war was over. A lot of people probably don't know that there was once a pretty good push to form an all Indian state named Sequoyah at one point.

I think the deal with the confederates was to get their land back in Miss and Alabama and still keeping the OK lands. And they were slave owners.

I had forgotten about Sequoyah. Most of our state today is based on their plan for statehood (as I recall).

[Shakadoodoo]

I try not to use the term Native American...Indian is good enough for me. In fact, I hate all of those _ _ _ _ _ American terms. Indians are good about telling PC to blow it out its azz.

That may be good enough for you but they are not Indians because they are not from India. Who gives a damn about what they want to be called. I am telling you what they are - Native to this country. And Columbus was not looking for a new route to India - He knew exactly where he was going. You can get to India on horse back from Spain so why would you get on a ship to find a new route to India. If any thing - he would of ran into Asia first - not India - they knew where Asia was as well.....you can get there on horseback too.... that is as big of a myth as ol' Ben flying a silk kite with a key on it in a thunder storm. I have never seen anyone fly a kite during a thunderstorm. That is about as improbable as the probability of thunder hitting the key. Those stories are as mythological as Paul Bunyan.



You think Mexicans and Indians didn't fight each other? They had many conflicts but, as I said, they weren't as good at it as the Euros.

Of course Native Americans fought amongst each other, just as Europeans, Asians, Africans, ect.... I am sure people in Ada fight with one another. You keep saying that Europeans were better - I think it is more like the Europeans were more opportunistic. The African Moors invented the guns and the Asians invented the gun powder - Europe took those inventions - went to other countries and acted like they were friends with them, ate Thanks giving dinner with them and came back and murdered them up. They just had more advanced weapons which they did not create. Europeans are the only people who traveled by ship to other continents with the goal of taking their s***. Everyone invited them in as friends when they had evil intentions the whole time. I am not saying Europeans are evil. But the Elite of Europe were all about greed. Just like the elite in all countries.



In 1900 the population of the US was 76,000,000. There were 500,000 hispanics living here then. Hardly like 500,000 Euros displacing 76,000,000 Mexicans.

I don't understand your point here.


Why is it that the Land of the Pharoahs and the rest of Africa has been unable to join the modern world? Still the Euros fault? All the wars, raping and pillaging that is going on over there now is the Euros fault?

Yes - the greed of Europe and the Middle East is the main reason Africa is now in shambles! And if you were taught about Africa they way we should be, you would know this. The whole world owes its existence to the African Continent!


Most Indians were originally Asian and came over on the landbridge on the Bering Straits. They were living somewhere else once, too.

That is a theory - not a fact - and I would agree with that - but there were others here as well - have you ever read about the Olmecs (http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/04022002.htm)- The don't teach us about them in history - there is more info on others who were already here before Columbus arrived here (http://www.rense.com/general43/before.htm)

There are also theories that the Celts were here long before Columbus - my point is there are many theories and there is a plethora of information on the Internet about it so I would be careful and do some research before before you just run with one theory.


Indians murdered the Euros just like the Euros murdered them. Had the tribes joined together they might have had a chance to throw them out or at least defeat them. But that didn't happen. Now I still have a brain and realize the US is probably much more advanced today because of colonization than if it was left to the Mexicans and Indians (see Mexico).

Are you serious - when did Native American travel to Europe and murder them up? If Native Americans murdered a European who tried to take his land then it was justified. Just like someone breaking into your house and trying to rob you of your belongings.

I know you have a brain and you seem to be intelligent but you are trapped in a ethnocentric box of a limited history that you have been thought because someone wanted you to believe that way and are now taking it as "word is bond" - you may want to step outside of that box and open your eyes up to the truths history has to offer. You would be enlightened by what you find!

[soonercoop1]

So would amnesty.

Never ever happens again...

[SpankyNek]

Never ever happens again...

Is this a hope, or a declaration? I say there's about an 80% chance it does.

[okie52]

That may be good enough for you but they are not Indians because they are not from India. Who gives a damn about what they want to be called. I am telling you what they are - Native to this country. And Columbus was not looking for a new route to India - He knew exactly where he was going. You can get to India on horse back from Spain so why would you get on a ship to find a new route to India. If any thing - he would of ran into Asia first - not India - they knew where Asia was as well.....you can get there on horseback too.... that is as big of a myth as ol' Ben flying a silk kite with a key on it in a thunder storm. I have never seen anyone fly a kite during a thunderstorm. That is about as improbable as the probability of thunder hitting the key. Those stories are as mythological as Paul Bunyan.

And who gives a dam if they were native to this country!!! The American Indians want to be called Indians...not some PC name contrived by a bunch of liberals 500 years after the fact.




Of course Native Americans fought amongst each other, just as Europeans, Asians, Africans, ect.... I am sure people in Ada fight with one another. You keep saying that Europeans were better - I think it is more like the Europeans were more opportunistic. The African Moors invented the guns and the Asians invented the gun powder - Europe took those inventions - went to other countries and acted like they were friends with them, ate Thanks giving dinner with them and came back and murdered them up. They just had more advanced weapons which they did not create. Europeans are the only people who traveled by ship to other continents with the goal of taking their s***. Everyone invited them in as friends when they had evil intentions the whole time. I am not saying Europeans are evil. But the Elite of Europe were all about greed. Just like the elite in all countries.

Where have I painted the Euros as the "good guy"? I have just pointed out that they were often conquerors as many cultures have been.




I don't understand your point here.

The point should have been self evident



Yes - the greed of Europe and the Middle East is the main reason Africa is now in shambles! And if you were taught about Africa they way we should be, you would know this. The whole world owes its existence to the African Continent!

Well lets give tribute to the birthplace of man. Now with that kind of headstart why the He11 are they behind everybody else. You really should quit making excuses for their pathetic performance.



That is a theory - not a fact - and I would agree with that - but there were others here as well - have you ever read about the Olmecs (http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/04022002.htm)- The don't teach us about them in history - there is more info on others who were already here before Columbus arrived here (http://www.rense.com/general43/before.htm)

There are also theories that the Celts were here long before Columbus - my point is there are many theories and there is a plethora of information on the Internet about it so I would be careful and do some research before before you just run with one theory.

I must admit that my info is old...from an OU anthropology course in the 70's but it still seems the most logical to me.



Are you serious - when did Native American travel to Europe and murder them up? If Native Americans murdered a European who tried to take his land then it was justified. Just like someone breaking into your house and trying to rob you of your belongings.

There's a pharmacist sitting in jail for life for doing just that.

He11, Indians took sides with the colonists, Brits, French, etc.. against each other and other tribes. It was all about power. Again, the Indians were no different they just weren't as advanced about it as the Euros.

I know you have a brain and you seem to be intelligent but you are trapped in a ethnocentric box of a limited history that you have been thought because someone wanted you to believe that way and are now taking it as "word is bond" - you may want to step outside of that box and open your eyes up to the truths history has to offer. You would be enlightened by what you find!

I say to you the same thing. Yeah, the Euros are the boogeymen and the last 250 years hasn't changed your opinion on that. The African continent has been plundered and bears no responsibility for their current state of affairs. The Euro Americans are responsible for slavery and the Africans bear no responsibilty for it even though most slaves ancestors sold them into slavery.

Get the chip off of the shoulder and try to look at history with an open mind.
The Aztecs, Mayans, Egyptians, Chinese, et al, all pursued creating empires that were often at the expense of others.

[soonercoop1]

Is this a hope, or a declaration? I say there's about an 80% chance it does.

Can promise you that it will not happen again...:D

[Shakadoodoo]

And who gives a dam if they were native to this country!!! The American Indians want to be called Indians...not some PC name contrived by a bunch of liberals 500 years after the fact.

Regardless of what ever name they are called the fact is that they were in the Americas before Europeans got here and they were all the same people rather you want to call them Mexican, Indian, Eskimo, whatever. Just like they Identify me as African, whites as European, yellow as Asians, ect... They were all the same people with different cultures. So "Mexicans" will never believe that someone who came to this country after them is more justified to be here than them. You can feel how ever you want but that will not change how they feel. They believe this to be more their country than any European or African or Asian or whatever. And if Asians took over Europe and drew lines telling the Europeans that have been there for 1000's years they can no longer cross a line - Europeans would feel the same way!


Where have I painted the Euros as the "good guy"? I have just pointed out that they were often conquerors as many cultures have been.

I agree


The point should have been self evident

If you say so....


Well lets give tribute to the birthplace of man. Now with that kind of headstart why the He11 are they behind everybody else. You really should quit making excuses for their pathetic performance.

Africa is the birthplace of Man Kind, Culture, Religion, Art, Math, Science, Music, ect.... I am not making any excuses for anything - I am telling you that Africa would be much better off without colonization of Europeans and Arabs! Africans need to get together and run all foreign influences out of there and start working as one but when the French control the natural resources of one part, Dutch another, Arabs another ect... that is hard to do! But you are right - a revolution need to happen.


I must admit that my info is old...from an OU anthropology course in the 70's but it still seems the most logical to me.

That's cool - you should brush up a bit though. Dr. Kimochi (sp) at OU is the first person to really open my eyes to the fake history we are taught in our schools and how European and Arab colonization destroyed Africa. So I give credit to OU for that as well


There's a pharmacist sitting in jail for life for doing just that.

There must be more to the story or he had one terrible lawyer!

He11, Indians took sides with the colonists, Brits, French, etc.. against each other and other tribes. It was all about power. Again, the Indians were no different they just weren't as advanced about it as the Euros.

You are speaking of when they got here and were being manipulated by Europeans. And yes the weapons were more advanced as we have stated several times.

I say to you the same thing. Yeah, the Euros are the boogeymen and the last 250 years hasn't changed your opinion on that. The African continent has been plundered and bears no responsibility for their current state of affairs. The Euro Americans are responsible for slavery and the Africans bear no responsibilty for it even though most slaves ancestors sold them into slavery.

The last 250 years has not changed my opinion about anything but the good people I have known all my life have. It was just 40 years ago when we could not drink in the same water faucet so where does 250 years come in at. And yes Africans did sell other Africans into slavery - They went into the interior of Africa and took Africans they had been in war with for thousands of yeas and sold them for money. I have been to Africa several times and they realize how terrible of a mistake that was. There is the elite greed we were talking about earlier. They did not look at each other as fellow Africans - just like every time I have been to Africa - I am looked at as American - Not African. But yes, we do need to hold ourselves accountable for that as well, rebuild and make sure that never happens again!

My step mother is white and she is one of the most beautiful, kind hearted person that I know. I grew up knowing it was a rich and poor thing not a race thing. And till this day I have never been shot by a white person but I have been shot - twice - I have never been robbed at gun point by a white person - but I have been robbed at gun point- a white person has never stabbed me - but I have been stabbed - my point is that I am not blaming whites for anything that happens to me in this age but the point remains that we have been taught up a screwed up ethnocentric history and that does not benefit anyone of us. We will not become the melting pot that we are suppose to be until we start to understand that all culture contributed to humanity and not just the so called "winners".

Get the chip off of the shoulder and try to look at history with an open mind.
The Aztecs, Mayans, Egyptians, Chinese, et al, all pursued creating empires that were often at the expense of others.

No chip on my shoulders homie - I research and expand my knowledge on a daily basis and the more I learn the more I understand I don't know, so my insatiable lust for knowledge will continue to be an ongoing hobby for me. But I will surely not go on some knowledge I learned 40 years ago as a measuring stick to what is going on today

[okie52]

And who gives a dam if they were native to this country!!! The American Indians want to be called Indians...not some PC name contrived by a bunch of liberals 500 years after the fact.

Regardless of what ever name they are called the fact is that they were in the Americas before Europeans got here and they were all the same people rather you want to call them Mexican, Indian, Eskimo, whatever. Just like they Identify me as African, whites as European, yellow as Asians, ect... They were all the same people with different cultures. So "Mexicans" will never believe that someone who came to this country after them is more justified to be here than them. You can feel how ever you want but that will not change how they feel. They believe this to be more their country than any European or African or Asian or whatever. And if Asians took over Europe and drew lines telling the Europeans that have been there for 1000's years they can no longer cross a line - Europeans would feel the same way!


Where have I painted the Euros as the "good guy"? I have just pointed out that they were often conquerors as many cultures have been.

I agree


The point should have been self evident

If you say so....


Well lets give tribute to the birthplace of man. Now with that kind of headstart why the He11 are they behind everybody else. You really should quit making excuses for their pathetic performance.

Africa is the birthplace of Man Kind, Culture, Religion, Art, Math, Science, Music, ect.... I am not making any excuses for anything - I am telling you that Africa would be much better off without colonization of Europeans and Arabs! Africans need to get together and run all foreign influences out of there and start working as one but when the French control the natural resources of one part, Dutch another, Arabs another ect... that is hard to do! But you are right - a revolution need to happen.


I must admit that my info is old...from an OU anthropology course in the 70's but it still seems the most logical to me.

That's cool - you should brush up a bit though. Dr. Kimochi (sp) at OU is the first person to really open my eyes to the fake history we are taught in our schools and how European and Arab colonization destroyed Africa. So I give credit to OU for that as well


There's a pharmacist sitting in jail for life for doing just that.

There must be more to the story or he had one terrible lawyer!

He11, Indians took sides with the colonists, Brits, French, etc.. against each other and other tribes. It was all about power. Again, the Indians were no different they just weren't as advanced about it as the Euros.

You are speaking of when they got here and were being manipulated by Europeans. And yes the weapons were more advanced as we have stated several times.

I say to you the same thing. Yeah, the Euros are the boogeymen and the last 250 years hasn't changed your opinion on that. The African continent has been plundered and bears no responsibility for their current state of affairs. The Euro Americans are responsible for slavery and the Africans bear no responsibilty for it even though most slaves ancestors sold them into slavery.

The last 250 years has not changed my opinion about anything but the good people I have known all my life have. It was just 40 years ago when we could not drink in the same water faucet so where does 250 years come in at. And yes Africans did sell other Africans into slavery - They went into the interior of Africa and took Africans they had been in war with for thousands of yeas and sold them for money. I have been to Africa several times and they realize how terrible of a mistake that was. There is the elite greed we were talking about earlier. They did not look at each other as fellow Africans - just like every time I have been to Africa - I am looked at as American - Not African. But yes, we do need to hold ourselves accountable for that as well, rebuild and make sure that never happens again!

My step mother is white and she is one of the most beautiful, kind hearted person that I know. I grew up knowing it was a rich and poor thing not a race thing. And till this day I have never been shot by a white person but I have been shot - twice - I have never been robbed at gun point by a white person - but I have been robbed at gun point- a white person has never stabbed me - but I have been stabbed - my point is that I am not blaming whites for anything that happens to me in this age but the point remains that we have been taught up a screwed up ethnocentric history and that does not benefit anyone of us. We will not become the melting pot that we are suppose to be until we start to understand that all culture contributed to humanity and not just the so called "winners".

Get the chip off of the shoulder and try to look at history with an open mind.
The Aztecs, Mayans, Egyptians, Chinese, et al, all pursued creating empires that were often at the expense of others.

No chip on my shoulders homie - I research and expand my knowledge on a daily basis and the more I learn the more I understand I don't know, so my insatiable lust for knowledge will continue to be an ongoing hobby for me. But I will surely not go on some knowledge I learned 40 years ago as a measuring stick to what is going on today

Well the anthropology course was 40 years ago but I still haven't heard a better "theory" regarding American Indians.

Do you not live in OK? The pharmacist story has been big news for the last 2years.

I thought there were revolutions happening in Africa right now. Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, etc...Not sure if they are for the better but they are happening.

So do you identify (classify) yourself as Black given your mixed ancestory?

I admire the pursuit of knowledge and open mindedness when discussing topics. We may have more in common than you think.

I would jump back to the original topic...illegal immigration. Are you for open borders?

[jk the sooner fan]

i havent read a single post in this thread, but i just wanted to go on record by saying that the thread title reminds me of the end of A Few Good Men, after Col Jessup confesses - and the prosecutor reminds the court that the "witness has rights"


carry on

[StoopTroup]

so my insatiable lust for knowledge will continue to be an ongoing hobby for me.

And you come here....why?

[Shakadoodoo]

Well the anthropology course was 40 years ago but I still haven't heard a better "theory" regarding American Indians.

Do you not live in OK? The pharmacist story has been big news for the last 2years.

I thought there were revolutions happening in Africa right now. Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, etc...Not sure if they are for the better but they are happening.

So do you identify (classify) yourself as Black given your mixed ancestory?

I admire the pursuit of knowledge and open mindedness when discussing topics. We may have more in common than you think.

I would jump back to the original topic...illegal immigration. Are you for open borders?


Yea, I just put 2 and 2 together - He came back and shot the unarmed kid 5 more times - that was pretty wild, but he did not deserve life in prison but he should of got a few years. The person with the gun was gone - he did not have to shoot the kid 5 more times. He had already shot the kid in the head.

I have no choice to Identify myself with being black because that is what I am perceived to be. All blacks in America are mixed with everything but when I fill out an application I check Afro American because that is what I am expected to choose. I do not have time to be rebelous when I am trying to get a job. Remember when Tiger Woods said he was Coupelasian or something like that - people thought he was a damn fool. The only time I have herd someone want to say a black person was half something else was President Obama - But all half white half black people I know are considered Afro American.

I think they need to give them Amnesty, and start taxing them like everyone else. No one will be able to stop them from getting over here. You can build walls stand at the border with guns, or whatever - you are not going to stop them. Americas drug appetite will assure that they get in if they do not open the borders. I truly think that whites are just afraid of becoming a minority in this country. They say it was going to happen anyway by 2050 but the way they keep coming over here - that may be 2015 and I think that is scaring people to death. But no one will be able to stop it. When I hear those tea party people say "Take Our Country Back" I think that is exactly what they mean. They are so accustomed to this being a white mans country that they can not bare to see what is about to take place in the next 50 years. No president tries to stop it. Like I said earlier - they seem to already have a plan in place regardless of how mad the citizens get. Like I said, no one is talking about the Amero and that seems like it is going to change everything. So yes I think they should open the borders up and start taxing the heII out of them just like they do everyone else.

[Shakadoodoo]

And you come here....why?

You don't see me here that often - not like you at least. Unless it is the football season. Or to check up on the Wrestling team - but I have inside info on the wrestling team since that is my surroundings. I came here yesterday to see if anyone had anything to say about the Gunner kid and any other recruits that may have committed. Then I always come over to the South Oval to see if there is any discussions that may intrigue me. As you know - I like to build!

[AlboSooner]

Mexico is a multi-ethnic country. Those people who make claims to being longer here than the Europeans, have themselves European blood. The indigenous Mexicans who do not speak Spanish, are a minority in Mexico and often looked down upon.

[okie52]

Yea, I just put 2 and 2 together - He came back and shot the unarmed kid 5 more times - that was pretty wild, but he did not deserve life in prison but he should of got a few years. The person with the gun was gone - he did not have to shoot the kid 5 more times. He had already shot the kid in the head.

I have no choice to Identify myself with being black because that is what I am perceived to be. All blacks in America are mixed with everything but when I fill out an application I check Afro American because that is what I am expected to choose. I do not have time to be rebelous when I am trying to get a job. Remember when Tiger Woods said he was Coupelasian or something like that - people thought he was a damn fool. The only time I have herd someone want to say a black person was half something else was President Obama - But all half white half black people I know are considered Afro American.

I think they need to give them Amnesty, and start taxing them like everyone else. No one will be able to stop them from getting over here. You can build walls stand at the border with guns, or whatever - you are not going to stop them. Americas drug appetite will assure that they get in if they do not open the borders. I truly think that whites are just afraid of becoming a minority in this country. They say it was going to happen anyway by 2050 but the way they keep coming over here - that may be 2015 and I think that is scaring people to death. But no one will be able to stop it. When I hear those tea party people say "Take Our Country Back" I think that is exactly what they mean. They are so accustomed to this being a white mans country that they can not bare to see what is about to take place in the next 50 years. No president tries to stop it. Like I said earlier - they seem to already have a plan in place regardless of how mad the citizens get. Like I said, no one is talking about the Amero and that seems like it is going to change everything. So yes I think they should open the borders up and start taxing the heII out of them just like they do everyone else.

The problem with amnesty is that once they are citizens their taxes will never begin to offset their economic drain on our infrastructure.

Did you know that the US had an immigration law from 1921-1965 that greatly restricted europeans from immigrating to the US? And that law excluded latinos from immigration restrictions. The whole point of the law was that we were getting flooded with Euros and the policy helped stem the tide. And these were much more skilled and highly educated immigrants than the illegal variety we are getting now.


Similar legislation had been proposed several times before without success. The resumption of immigration and the widespread unemployment that followed the end of World War I lent strength to the anti-immigration movement.

The act was passed without a recorded vote in the U.S. House of Representatives and by a vote of 78-1 in the U.S. Senate. James Alexander Reed, a Democrat from Missouri, cast the sole dissenting vote.[4]

The Act restricted the number of immigrants admitted from any country annually to 3% of the number of residents from that same country living in the United States as of the U.S. Census of 1910. The use of such a National Origins Formula continued until 1965.

The average annual inflow of immigrants prior to 1921 was 175,983 from Northern and Western Europe, and 685,531 from other countries, principally Southern and Eastern Europe. In 1921, immigration was 198,082 from Northern and Western Europe, and 158,367 from principally Southern and Eastern Europe (including other countries), being shown as a drastic reduction in immigration levels from other countries, principally Southern and Eastern Europe.

Professionals were to be admitted without regard to their country of origin. The Act set no limits on immigration from Latin America.

The Act was soon revised by the Immigration Act of 1924.



And, unfortunately, the illegals have by far the highest birthrates in this country so the burden on the infrastructure is compounded.

I am for a smaller US & world population. That is the way to save our resources and reduce pollution. It really isn't hard to do if you can just get couples to have 2 kids or less. The world is headed for 9 billion people in the next 15 years (currently 6.5 billion). 1 billion would be much better. A US population of 150,000,000 would be much better than 400,000,000.