Holgorsen likes to get his drink on

[EatLeadCommie]

Not too much of a surprise given the rumors surrounding him while up north, but it sounds like this problem is pretty serious...

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1656189147/Chuck-Landon-Holgersen-gambling-on-future-at-WVU

West Virginia University's new football offensive coordinator and head coach-in-waiting came to the state with a reputation of being a partier.

But, apparently WVU wasn't too concerned about Holgorsen's character because it hired him to replace Bill Stewart in 2012 and gave him a six-year, $14.275 million contract.

Guess what?

WVU officials care now.

Holgorsen has reportedly been involved in at least three and, perhaps, as many as six alcohol-related incidents in the last six months, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation.

That's right, six.

The first five were hushed up, but the sixth incident at Mardi Gras Casino in Cross Lanes on May 18 has blown the cover off Holgorsen's embarrassing antics. Nitro police were called to the casino at about 3:20 a.m. on May 18 to remove an apparently intoxicated customer who didn't want to leave. Holgorsen was asked to step outside, sit on a bench and await a taxi. No charges were filed.

That sent WVU into damage control.

[SoonerofAlabama]

Wow, once a month getting in some kind of trouble with alcohol? Crazy. Sounds like the police are giving him too many breaks, though, just because he is a college football head coach.

[bixby28]

I'm surprised that he's still got his job. That's a rough example to set as a head-coach-in-waiting, regardless of how good you are.

[SoonerDood]

How much of this was covered up at Okie State? I'm guessing just as much. :eddie:

[badger]

How much of this was covered up at Okie State? I'm guessing just as much. :eddie:

Winning covers up a lot. Poke State was probably so happy winning that they overlooked the fact that Dana was living in a hotel room the entire year.

[picasso]

Skullet.

[Sooner_Tuf]

Winning covers up a lot. Poke State was probably so happy winning that they overlooked the fact that Dana was living in a hotel room the entire year.

There is so much strange stuff at Oklahoma State that Holgerson might just be the most normal one of the bunch. If I had to live in Stillwater I would probably need to something to ease the pain like Holgerson, and the Suttons did.

[afs]

Stoops to WVU.

[Breadburner]

He spent alot of time in Tulsa on his off days.....He was more protected by a circle of people here.....

[ashley]

Not too much of a surprise given the rumors surrounding him while up north, but it sounds like this problem is pretty serious...

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1656189147/Chuck-Landon-Holgersen-gambling-on-future-at-WVU

West Virginia University's new football offensive coordinator and head coach-in-waiting came to the state with a reputation of being a partier.

But, apparently WVU wasn't too concerned about Holgorsen's character because it hired him to replace Bill Stewart in 2012 and gave him a six-year, $14.275 million contract.

Guess what?

WVU officials care now.

Holgorsen has reportedly been involved in at least three and, perhaps, as many as six alcohol-related incidents in the last six months, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation.

That's right, six.

The first five were hushed up, but the sixth incident at Mardi Gras Casino in Cross Lanes on May 18 has blown the cover off Holgorsen's embarrassing antics. Nitro police were called to the casino at about 3:20 a.m. on May 18 to remove an apparently intoxicated customer who didn't want to leave. Holgorsen was asked to step outside, sit on a bench and await a taxi. No charges were filed.

That sent WVU into damage control.

Alcohol may be a flaw but it is not a character flaw.

[swardboy]

Gawd, Ashley, I'm seriously considering adding this to my insane quotes signature!

[bixby28]

Alcohol may be a flaw but it is not a character flaw.

That made me laugh.

[ashley]

Did all the uninformed people get on here all at once? I could have ignorant but I didn't. Substance is not a character flaw.

[picasso]

I'd dare say abusing a substance is a flaw in one's character.

[ashley]

I'd dare say abusing a substance is a flaw in one's character.

Read what the doctors and other experts say. Abusers may have character flaws but it is not because they are abusers.

[picasso]

Read what the doctors and other experts say. Abusers may have character flaws but it is not because they are abusers.

If you're an adult and you drink a lot, and it affects your job, life and those around you. You've got a character flaw.

[bixby28]

This argument sounds like one that an alcoholic I know uses to justify his drinking to the rest of us. Alcohol abuse is a sign of a flawed person. It's a bad flaw. Saying it's not is like saying that someone who cheats on their spouse over and over again isn't a flawed person. Adultery is an act, just like alcohol abuse is an act. People who have these problems have character flaws.

[goingoneight]

Holgerson's gonna be stupid and lose it before he has it. Gundy hasn't had any trouble fielding offenses in Stoolwater, so the joke's not on OSU for losing him (DH).

[budbarrybob]

Holgerson's gonna be stupid and lose it before he has it. Gundy hasn't had any trouble fielding offenses in Stoolwater, so the joke's not on OSU for losing him (DH).

I'm gonna have to read this post after I'm sober... 'cause I'm sure it makes sense.

[soonerspiff]

If you're an adult and you drink a lot, and it affects your job, life and those around you. You've got a character flaw.


Not to get off topic, but that's like saying someone with cancer has a character flaw... The flaw is not seeking help, not the ailment/addiction/whatever itself.

Anyway, it certainly sounds like Holgerson might have more than a little problem.

[mgsooner]

I could have ignorant but I didn't.

O rly?

[picasso]

Not to get off topic, but that's like saying someone with cancer has a character flaw... The flaw is not seeking help, not the ailment/addiction/whatever itself.

Anyway, it certainly sounds like Holgerson might have more than a little problem.

Yes, binge drinking and being unreliable is exactly like someone having terminal cancer. Great comparison.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

That is why we have Dirty Ole Drunk Awareness Month where all the NFL players wear Old Milwaukee colored gloves, shoes, and hats. ;)

[SoonerofAlabama]

Some people drink alcohol just as a cover-up of what the real problem is. So when some doctor asks what the problem is they don't have to grow as a person by telling someone that they have something wrong with them, but instead say that they are heavy-drinkers. Sometimes drinking is a cover-up for the character flaw.

[delhalew]

I'm fascinated by Leach's ability to keep stuff like this under control. You know this isn't new behavior.

Before anyone mentions Leach's own issues at Tech, we all know that's horse****.

[soonerspiff]

Yes, binge drinking and being unreliable is exactly like someone having terminal cancer. Great comparison.


I was comparing alcoholism to cancer, not binge drinking. That probably still doesn't make a difference in your mind, but I don't care. Alcoholism in many ways can be as debilitating as cancer.

And before you suggest it, no, for the alcoholic there is not much choice in picking up the first drink.

[Sooner_Tuf]

You can quit drinking. You can't quit cancer, it won't let you.

[NorCal Sooner]

The AMA has classified alcoholism as a disease. I think I'll go along with the AMA rather than the uninformed in this thread.

[BoulderSooner79]

Uniformed?! Everyone here seems very well informed until some jackwagon starts posting facts.

[texaspokieokie]

it's a shame holgorsen went to stilly & caught the disease of alky-ism.

what dummy would let their kids go there.

[Sooner_Tuf]

The AMA has classified alcoholism as a disease. I think I'll go along with the AMA rather than the uninformed in this thread.

Does the sand get in your ears? That would bother me.

[EatLeadCommie]

Oh Jeez, are we really saying that Holgorsen doesn't have character flaws because he drinks and the AMA classifies alcoholism as a disease? He has character flaws and it's pretty obvious. If you want to ride the disease excuse to say the man doesn't have character flaws, try riding the disease excuse next time you get pulled over for a DUI or do/say something stupid when you're drunk.

"I'm sorry, occifer, my disease made me drive all over the place and smash into a highway median."

"I'm sorry, dear, my disease made me say that you were a phony golddigger with fake boobs and no personality."

I'm afraid you won't have much luck with that defense, nor should you.

Dusty D was lucky that the NCAA saw things favorably, but that still doesn't mean the guy didn't have a character flaw when he beat the snot out of his friend.

[texaspokieokie]

i feel that alky-ism is a weakness, not a sickness. but that's just me.

[Blue]

i feel that alky-ism is a weakness, not a sickness. but that's just me.

I'm not an alky, but have abused and can definitely say it hinders development and limits capabilities if used in excess. The older i get, the more true that becomes.

[texaspokieokie]

I'm not an alky, but have abused and can definitely say it hinders development and limits capabilities if used in excess. The older i get, the more true that becomes.

me too, but not much anymore. all my friends were more fun when i drank a lot.

i used to drink to excess, but now i'll drink to anything.
:D :D

[EatLeadCommie]

i feel that alky-ism is a weakness, not a sickness. but that's just me.

And there are still plenty of medical professionals who hold this viewpoint.

Regardless, to excuse one's drunken behavior as something other than a character flaw by relying on the AMA's classification of alcoholism as a disease is a bit silly. I understand the classification of it as a disease, since once it takes hold, people are pretty powerless to control it. But it was still brought on by poor choices and behavior, and leads to more poor choices and behavior. Poor choices and behavior are generally called character flaws. What degree of flaw you care to classify it as is, of course, a matter of opinion.

And now I'm off work and am going to drink a beer.

[picasso]

I was comparing alcoholism to cancer, not binge drinking. That probably still doesn't make a difference in your mind, but I don't care. Alcoholism in many ways can be as debilitating as cancer.

And before you suggest it, no, for the alcoholic there is not much choice in picking up the first drink.

Yeah I know all about alcoholism as a disease. I minored in health and human performance.
Let me ask you this way, if you had a choice in letting your child stay with a person with cancer or one that was a binge drinking fool. Which would you choose?
Perhaps it is a character issue.

[NorCal Sooner]

Yeah I know all about alcoholism as a disease. I minored in health and human performance.
Let me ask you this way, if you had a choice in letting your child stay with a person with cancer or one that was a binge drinking fool. Which would you choose?
Perhaps it is a character issue.

Not sure what your above point is…:confused: I wouldn’t want my kid staying with anyone with an impairment of any kind (alcohol or some types of prescription medication).
In my research I feel that alcoholism is a progressive degenerative disease and not any kind of character flaw. We also know that alcoholism has a strong genetic component. I would add however that it does take great character to overcome alcoholism, and many who deal with alcoholism and many who overcome it tend to be people of great character.

[kiomanche]

I drink way to much! so I'm not saying nuttin!:pop:

[TheLadiesMike]

Reading this thread helps explain why Oklahoma has such backwards alcohol laws.

[badger]

The name's name is Dana. What else could possibly be said.

[En_Fuego]

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