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3rdgensooner
5/24/2011, 02:02 PM
Birthers turn on GOP rising stars (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/05/23/birthers_turn_on_gop_rising_stars)

GOP candidates like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann who have openly pandered to those doubting Barack Obama's citizenship may come to regret that stance. Two of the party's rising stars, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal and Florida Senator Marco Rubio now seem to be in the crosshairs (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=297485) of WorldNetDaily, the site that has pushed the Obama rumors since the election:
The next national election is less than 18 months away, and both rising Republican stars have been touted as potential contenders for either the No. 1 or No. 2 spot on a presidential ticket.

But their eligibility is in doubt since both men's parents were not U.S. citizens at the time their future political children were born, WND can reveal. That factor is important because the Constitution mandates a presidential candidate to be a "natural-born citizen," a requirement that has dogged President Barack Obama since the 2008 campaign.
The authors don't dispute that both men were born in the United States -- Jindal has even released his birth certificate (http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/05/gov_bobby_jindal_releases_his.html) -- so what's the issue? It appears that WordNetDaily is now trying to move the goalposts on what constitutes a "natural-born" citizen:
The fact that Rubio and Jindal were both born in America undoubtedly makes them "native-born" citizens, but does it mean they're "natural-born" citizens?

Some would say no – including legal sources relied upon by America's Founders – based on the foreign births of their parents, an issue many claim disqualifies Obama from holding the presidency, since Obama's father held British citizenship due to his birth in Kenya, which was under British rule at the time.
The Founders' chief concern, as demonstrated in a 1787 letter from John Jay to George Washington, was that the commander-in-chief not have dual loyalties.

Jay, who later became president of the Continental Congress and the first Supreme Court (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=297485#) chief justice, wrote: "Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen."
The argument relies not on any actual written U.S. law but on Jay's decision, a law from 1790 that was repealed later and -- my personal favorite -- "a 1758 work by Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel, was read by many of the American Founders and informed their understanding of law later established in the Constitution." So the founders relied on (gasp) international law?

Somehow I have a feeling this ends with only landholding, Mayflower-descended Freemasons being eligible to run for president.

StoopTroup
5/24/2011, 02:41 PM
Oh what fun....

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/dummybook.jpg

KantoSooner
5/24/2011, 02:46 PM
Ah! I see now. If you have a natural tan or your name sounds non-AngloSaxon, these wing nuts will be out for you.

No, wing nuts is the wrong term.

Call them what they are: Racist Idiots.

lexsooner
5/24/2011, 04:00 PM
Ah! I see now. If you have a natural tan or your name sounds non-AngloSaxon, these wing nuts will be out for you.

No, wing nuts is the wrong term.

Call them what they are: Racist Idiots.

Well, that should be obvious to everyone. Except birthers.

KantoSooner
5/24/2011, 04:11 PM
I suppose so, it's just so depressing to be spending time on this when there arre so many more important and interesting things to discuss.

Perhaps it's because the birther folk felt left out when there used to be serious conversations and all they could do was listen with their mouths open.

StoopTroup
5/24/2011, 05:03 PM
Wing nuts? What happened to Moonbats? :D

A year or so ago it was Dickwheel

lexsooner
5/24/2011, 05:16 PM
I really think many years ago, folks who thought like this were probably members of the Klan or similar organizations. Those groups have fallen out of vogue, but there are still extremist thinkers out there. That is, if you can call it "thinking."

StoopTroup
5/24/2011, 05:27 PM
I think a lot of it is just spawned from frustration. We all like to think when we elect people that they understand that we want them to protect our interests. They get in office and are indoctrinated and soon they are protecting someone else's interests. We grow older, wiser and then you either don't GAS or you end up with a sign you made from stuff you got from your garage or Hobby Lobby and you are on TV and Monday without a job.....lol

47straight
5/24/2011, 06:16 PM
I don't care what the birth certificate says, he's still a Keynesian

lexsooner
5/24/2011, 06:23 PM
I don't care what the birth certificate says, he's still a Keynesian

Yes he is, as a matter of fact. lol And his wife is a thespian.

AlboSooner
5/24/2011, 07:50 PM
So if you were born due to a C-Section, you can't be POTUS?

fadada1
5/24/2011, 08:39 PM
this is the dumbest ****ing thing i've ever heard. period.

obama was born in hawaii - the end. sounds like a bunch of bat****-crazy sore losers. borderline aggie-esque, in fact.

soonercruiser
5/24/2011, 09:32 PM
Oh what fun....

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/dummybook.jpg

Is this book available in Spanglish?

Midtowner
5/24/2011, 11:53 PM
1) Take something from the headlines;
2) Take it wildly out of context;
3) Make several assumptions which are unsupported by fact.
4) OUTRAGE!!!

So I start with the above... but then I look up polling data.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/birther-polls-unite-obama_n_855135.html

About a quarter of people still believe the President was born elsewhere. Really?