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SoonerNate
5/23/2011, 06:36 PM
To tell Israel what they should or shouldn't do?

Who does Obama think he is, the king of the world?

Don't we have enough problems back home?

Discuss.

texaspokieokie
5/23/2011, 06:40 PM
To tell Israel what they should or shouldn't do?

Who does Obama think he is, the king of the world?

Don't we have enough problems back home?

Discuss.

well, we can't TELL them what to do. we (obama) shouldn't try to tell them what to do. besides, he was wrong.

they can't survive for long withuot our support JMHO

yermom
5/23/2011, 06:42 PM
what makes the US think they need to help Israel help with their military?

SoonerNate
5/23/2011, 06:46 PM
Okay Hitler

47straight
5/23/2011, 06:47 PM
We give them lots of cash.

SoonerNate
5/23/2011, 06:51 PM
That doesn't give us the right to dictate their sovereign borders. Obama is just being a cowboy bully.

yermom
5/23/2011, 06:53 PM
if they want our help, they can eat some of our ****

SoonerNate
5/23/2011, 06:55 PM
if they want our help, they can eat some of our ****

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154676

SoonerNate
5/23/2011, 06:56 PM
The Isrealites are our allies and share a religious bond with us. If you hate Israel you should move to Germany.

soonerhubs
5/23/2011, 06:57 PM
Popcorn and string cheese. Yup!

Chuck Bao
5/23/2011, 06:58 PM
Nate, seriously dude. You come across as taking a comic book approach of real world problems. I get it. You need someone with a cape and that is understandable for someone your age.

And, I get it that maybe you are so much into comic books that you really need to yell before turning the next page that President Obama is the super secret villain. Thanks for that. We hadn't noticed.

soonerhubs
5/23/2011, 06:59 PM
Nate, seriously dude. You come across as taking a comic book approach of real world problems. I get it. You need someone with a cape and that is understandable for someone your age.

And, I get it that maybe you are so much into comic books that you really need to yell before turning the next page that President Obama is the super secret villain. Thanks for that. We hadn't noticed.

Hi Chuck!

yermom
5/23/2011, 07:01 PM
The Isrealites are our allies and share a religious bond with us. If you hate Israel you should move to Germany.

they killed Jesus.

MsProudSooner2
5/23/2011, 07:07 PM
Every president since 1948 has told Isreal what they thought they should do.

C&CDean
5/23/2011, 07:11 PM
Nate is coming awfully close to the "posting while durnk" button.

SoonerNate
5/23/2011, 07:12 PM
I'm not drunk but I'll save you the effort. I'm just trying to have a good time.

Chuck Bao
5/23/2011, 07:12 PM
Hi Chuck!

Hi Mr. Hubs. If I ever get straight, then I will have to seriously bend your ear.

Naw, that is not gonna happen but you do give great advice and that is pretty free here at SF.

soonerhubs
5/23/2011, 07:13 PM
Moonbat is an awesome word.

GKeeper316
5/23/2011, 07:13 PM
what makes the US think they need to help Israel help with their military?

the united states has an obligation to support democracies wherever they exist.

soonerhubs
5/23/2011, 07:14 PM
Hi Mr. Hubs. If I ever get straight, then I will have to seriously bend your ear.

Naw, that is not gonna happen but you do give great advice and that is pretty free here at SF.

Thanks my friend! I enjoy your posts as well!

yermom
5/23/2011, 07:15 PM
the united states has an obligation to support democracies wherever they exist.

then we should really avoid putting them in stupid locations

AlboSooner
5/23/2011, 07:27 PM
Nate is coming awfully close to the "posting while durnk" button.

I think he's coming close to blowing his cover.

SoonerNate
5/23/2011, 07:41 PM
Well we can't all be Chuck Bao now can we?

C&CDean
5/23/2011, 07:43 PM
Nope.

olevetonahill
5/23/2011, 07:53 PM
Nope.

:D

soonerhubs
5/23/2011, 07:58 PM
:D

Made me laugh too!

soonercruiser
5/23/2011, 09:50 PM
What burns me is....something that no other President has done sooooo blatently.
Obama one day speaks to a US audience and says Israel must got back to the 1967 borders asa precursor to peace in the ME.
Then 2 days later he speaks at AIPAC, and acts like he didn't say it.
ANDDDD...the LW lemings hoot & holler like fans at a rock concert!

What that shows me is.....there are many Jews in the US whose idiology comes first; being Jewish comes second.
That's how the Soviets got Jewish help to kills Jews in WWII.
And, Pontus Pilot washed his hands too.

So, I'm not suprised when LW idiology trumps what's good for the country!
:(

StoopTroup
5/23/2011, 10:07 PM
What burns me is....something that no other President has done sooooo blatently.
Obama one day speaks to a US audience and says Israel must got back to the 1967 borders asa precursor to peace in the ME.
Then 2 days later he speaks at AIPAC, and acts like he didn't say it.
ANDDDD...the LW lemings hoot & holler like fans at a rock concert!

What that shows me is.....there are many Jews in the US whose idiology comes first; being Jewish comes second.
That's how the Soviets got Jewish help to kills Jews in WWII.
And, Pontus Pilot washed his hands too.

So, I'm not suprised when LW idiology trumps what's good for the country!
:(

Really?

Jimmy Carter's Camp David Accords were a huge step forward for relations between Israel and the Palestinians and nothing like that had ever been accomplished until he somehow got them both to trust him.

Although many other things in his Presidency didn't workout and it was obvious to many Americans then that he didn't have what it took to be President for a 2nd term....that particular moment of his Presidency should be given some credit as what he accomplished in 1979 lasted for years and set a president for future presidents in dealing with the region.

Your guys blind hatred fail to realize Obama is trying to further the talks with Israel and the Palestinians after we declared War in two Muslim Countries and put boots on the ground in Pakistan without their permission. As we speak....it's possible we are doing it again and trying to find and capture Mullah Omar the current largest threat to us in Afghanistan..

JohnnyMack
5/23/2011, 11:07 PM
These new cinnamon Cheerios are tasty as hell.

SoonerNate
5/23/2011, 11:10 PM
These new cinnamon Cheerios are tasty as hell.

Well said Cruiser. Ignore those changing the subject.

StoopTroup
5/23/2011, 11:13 PM
Well said Cruiser. Ignore those changing the subject.

You mean changing it with a moment in History or with breakfast cereal?

Or that he's claiming the Jews killed their own people? I'm not believing someone has the balls to say something like that....

JohnnyMack
5/23/2011, 11:18 PM
Well said Cruiser. Ignore those changing the subject.

You're a worthless troll and our foreign policy in the ME is a giant flaming bag of sh1t.

sooner ngintunr
5/23/2011, 11:23 PM
We should just buy Israel. Problem solved. Whats one more IOU to China in the big scheme of things?

StoopTroup
5/23/2011, 11:27 PM
You're a worthless troll

And possibly Anti-Semitics or Northern European Supporters of the Nazis.

yermom
5/23/2011, 11:56 PM
These new cinnamon Cheerios are tasty as hell.

i'm not a fan. they aren't dense enough or something. they don't seem like Cheerios

SoonerNate
5/23/2011, 11:58 PM
You're a worthless troll and our foreign policy in the ME is a giant flaming bag of sh1t.

Why am I a troll? Just because I'm right of center? Do I have some fun occasionally? Yes. But I'm not a troll.

StoopTroup
5/24/2011, 12:09 AM
Why am I a troll? Just because I'm right of center? Do I have some fun occasionally? Yes. But I'm not a troll.

Having fun? Seriously....having fun on a sports board doesn't include seriously warped discussions about our Country during one of the most serious times in our history. I'll go with having fun trying to find out who is the admin of this board....Videos of funny moments and even funny moments of fail....

But to sit around starting discussions such as this thread as fun?

It never turns into fun. I told you earlier to give it a rest as you aren't going to have fun. Yet here you are continuing to do it. RLIMC started having his threads closed and damn near had a nervous breakdown about it. I guess you didn't learn anything about it.

I know that my Parent's told me to never bring up Religion, Politics and money if you wanted to have a nice night out or even friends....lol

You and Cruiser continue to do it and wonder why folks seem to squat on your face and take a dump.

I bid you ado and Have fun....lol

SoonerNate
5/24/2011, 12:12 AM
Wow. With friends like you Stoup who needs Longhorns?

StoopTroup
5/24/2011, 12:14 AM
Wow. With friends like you Stoup who needs Longhorns?

We aren't friends. Your just some irritating troll from Edmond or phlorida or whatever fun little make believe place you want to be from tomorrow....

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SoonerNate
5/24/2011, 12:15 AM
I get it Troup. Only certain opinions are welcomed here. Enjoy the site. I'm done.

StoopTroup
5/24/2011, 12:17 AM
I get it Troup. Only certain opinions are welcomed here. Enjoy the site. I'm done.

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Curly Bill
5/24/2011, 12:23 AM
I get it Troup. Only certain opinions are welcomed here. Enjoy the site. I'm done.

Come back, hell, I agree with ya more often than not.

...and unlike some posters on here, and I mean the "we lick Brack's sack crowd" I think supporting our only real ally in the strategic middle east is kinda important.

..and Brack is a Muslim, we can't expect him to support Israel - he wouldn't be invited to family reunions if he did. ;)

StoopTroup
5/24/2011, 12:31 AM
ROTFLMFAO

Turd_Ferguson
5/24/2011, 12:40 AM
Come back, hell, I agree with ya more often than not.

...and unlike some posters on here, and I mean the "we lick Brack's sack crowd" I think supporting our only real ally in the strategic middle east is kinda important.

..and Brack is a Muslim, we can't expect him to support Israel - he wouldn't be invited to family reunions if he did. ;)+1

Blue
5/24/2011, 12:59 AM
Having fun? Seriously....having fun on a sports board doesn't include seriously warped discussions about our Country during one of the most serious times in our history. I'll go with having fun trying to find out who is the admin of this board....Videos of funny moments and even funny moments of fail....

But to sit around starting discussions such as this thread as fun?

It never turns into fun. I told you earlier to give it a rest as you aren't going to have fun. Yet here you are continuing to do it. RLIMC started having his threads closed and damn near had a nervous breakdown about it. I guess you didn't learn anything about it.

I know that my Parent's told me to never bring up Religion, Politics and money if you wanted to have a nice night out or even friends....lol

You and Cruiser continue to do it and wonder why folks seem to squat on your face and take a dump.

I bid you ado and Have fun....lol

http://www.showcaseyouth.com/Oh%20the%20Drama%203.jpg

jk the sooner fan
5/24/2011, 07:05 AM
The Isrealites are our allies and share a religious bond with us. If you hate Israel you should move to Germany.

well thats a rather simple way of breaking down the issue....

Midtowner
5/24/2011, 07:23 AM
What gives us the right?

Israel is basically a client state of the United States. We spend a lot of blood and treasure ensuring their continued existence. Stabilizing the region is good for our bottom line.

If Israel wants to complain that we have no right, then they should stop taking our money.

Fish&Game
5/24/2011, 08:04 AM
What gives us the right?

Israel is basically a client state of the United States. We spend a lot of blood and treasure ensuring their continued existence. Stabilizing the region is good for our bottom line.

If Israel wants to complain that we have no right, then they should stop taking our money.
So, there are quite a few countries that should be doing what we tell them to do, right?

OU_Sooners75
5/24/2011, 10:39 AM
To tell Israel what they should or shouldn't do?

Who does Obama think he is, the king of the world?

Don't we have enough problems back home?

Discuss.

For each Israeli: $23,240
Money given to Israel: $84,854,827,200
Interest costs to support Israel: $49,936,680,000

So I would say that there are at least 134,791,507,200 reasons why Israel should STFU and listen to what we have to say!

That 134,791,507,20 reasons is actually $134,791,507,20 from 1949 to present day that we have given to Israel, and yes that comes out to about 3 billion a year!

StoopTroup
5/24/2011, 10:41 AM
http://www.showcaseyouth.com/Oh%20the%20Drama%203.jpg

Don't you mean the O'Drama?

StoopTroup
5/24/2011, 10:42 AM
For each Israeli: $23,240
Money given to Israel: $84,854,827,200
Interest costs to support Israel: $49,936,680,000

So I would say that there are at least 134,791,507,200 reasons why Israel should STFU and listen to what we have to say!

That 134,791,507,20 reasons is actually $134,791,507,20 from 1949 to present day that we have given to Israel, and yes that comes out to about 3 billion a year!

BTW....He left. He's gone to find David Duke's blog/website I think....:D ;)

pphilfran
5/24/2011, 10:44 AM
BTW....He left. He's gone to find David Duke's blog/website I think....:D ;)

Poor Nate...mistreated and maladjusted...

OU_Sooners75
5/24/2011, 10:44 AM
The Isrealites are our allies and share a religious bond with us. If you hate Israel you should move to Germany.


That made a bunch of sense.

So because they are our ally, we the individual have to love them?

We dont share a religious bond with them. They are Jewish and most of Americans are Christian. And if you think the Christian religion is there to support Judaism, you haven't really followed Christian history very closely.

Finally, Pakistan is an ally, So is Saudi Arabia and other countries that cannot stand the US interests. So why should we stand for Israel's interest?

Whet
5/24/2011, 10:54 AM
Barack Obama IS King of the world!
He does have that evil twin, Barry Soetoro, that is responsible for all the mis-steps of the King! It was Barry that sat in Mr. Wright's "church" for 20 years! It was Barry that befriended the Weathermen Billy Aires and BlowemUp Dornan. It was Barry that got the other candidates kicked off the ballot in Barack's first election. It was Barry that hung with the Communist agitators in his college days.

OU_Sooners75
5/24/2011, 10:56 AM
Barack Obama IS King of the world!
He does have that evil twin, Barry Soetoro, that is responsible for all the mis-steps of the King! It was Barry that sat in Mr. Wright's "church" for 20 years! It was Barry that befriended the Weathermen Billy Aires and BlowemUp Dornan. It was Barry that got the other candidates kicked off the ballot in Barack's first election. It was Barry that hung with the Communist agitators in his college days.


I am an ex Obama backer, not so much now...but I think you forgot that It was Obama that was born in Kenya...oppps.

Other than that, whats your point?

SoonerProphet
5/24/2011, 11:01 AM
http://lewrockwell.com/raimondo/raimondo110.html

delhalew
5/24/2011, 11:09 AM
I think they are good hands. Net-an-yahoo knows how to handle himself. Pretty sad when I get much more enjoyment from listening to Israel's president adlib, than listening to ours follow the script.

It's pretty simple. When you believe in what you are saying, you don't need a script.

Sooner_Tuf
5/24/2011, 11:14 AM
It's hard to discuss history with people that spin up fantasies in their heads and then present them as facts.

While the situation in the middle east is complicated Israel's history is not. If you really want to know the truth take a few minutes and read up on how and why Israel was formed and by who. Reality will come as a shock to many of you.

Then take about three seconds and read up on the accomplishments of the Palestinians through history. You will then understand why none of the other Arab states have taken them in.

It's pretty easy to shoot your mouth off about Israel. But when it's obvious you don't have even a fundamental understanding of the past it just makes you look stupid.

yermom
5/24/2011, 11:15 AM
"Jewish version of Hitler"

oh my.

Whet
5/24/2011, 11:24 AM
I am an ex Obama backer, not so much now...but I think you forgot that It was Obama that was born in Kenya...oppps.

Other than that, whats your point?

Point? What point? I didn't say anything about a point. I pointed out to the OP that Barack Obama IS the King of the World!

Points are over rated! :dolemite:

SoonerProphet
5/24/2011, 11:25 AM
It's hard to discuss history with people that spin up fantasies in their heads and then present them as facts.

While the situation in the middle east is complicated Israel's history is not. If you really want to know the truth take a few minutes and read up on how and why Israel was formed and by who. Reality will come as a shock to many of you.

Then take about three seconds and read up on the accomplishments of the Palestinians through history. You will then understand why none of the other Arab states have taken them in.

It's pretty easy to shoot your mouth off about Israel. But when it's obvious you don't have even a fundamental understanding of the past it just makes you look stupid.

Would love to hear your take. Hard to accomplish anything when you occupied by one foreign power or another.

Whet
5/24/2011, 11:34 AM
I think I understand SoonerProphet's take on this. If we look at all the sub-Saharan countries of Africa - all have been "dominated" by European countries in the past. Is that iwhy those sub-Saharan countries are so messed up! Is it much like the former slaves in the US and elsewhere, once dominated, occupied, or enslaved in previous history, those peoples can never recover from that period of time? Will their ancestors always carry that pain, causing them to do bad things to one another, or just be failures - whether it is running a country, getting along with another tribe, or living in society?

yermom
5/24/2011, 11:42 AM
the Israelis should just let the Palestinians open casinos and sell cigarettes

soonercruiser
5/24/2011, 12:29 PM
the Israelis should just let the Palestinians open casinos and sell cigarettes

:D

soonercruiser
5/24/2011, 12:36 PM
For each Israeli: $23,240
Money given to Israel: $84,854,827,200
Interest costs to support Israel: $49,936,680,000

So I would say that there are at least 134,791,507,200 reasons why Israel should STFU and listen to what we have to say!

That 134,791,507,20 reasons is actually $134,791,507,20 from 1949 to present day that we have given to Israel, and yes that comes out to about 3 billion a year!

That's a job half done 75!
How about some stats on how much American tax-payers $$ has been sent per capita to the Palestinians?

Besides! There is no such thing as a Palestinian! These people are the refugees from the surrounding countries affected by the A-I War! Israel took theirs back + some.
What Arab country has taken them back; let alone given them some land???
If the ME countries truely wanted peace with Israel, they would have already established a homeland for them.
And don't give the wasteland argument! The whole area is a wasteland without wells, sweat, and tears. The whole issue stinks of inner city Detroit!

Sooner_Tuf
5/24/2011, 12:42 PM
Would love to hear your take. Hard to accomplish anything when you occupied by one foreign power or another.

I wasn't talking about my opinion of what is happening in Israel. I was referring to what has happened in Israel. I'm not talking about ambiguous events that happened eight thousand years ago.

I am talking about taking a look at the factual record since WWII.

Sooner_Tuf
5/24/2011, 12:48 PM
Besides! There is no such thing as a Palestinian!

Eight thousand years of Palestine History erased with a few keystrokes.

Midtowner
5/24/2011, 12:49 PM
So, there are quite a few countries that should be doing what we tell them to do, right?

None so major as Israel in terms of our contributions.

soonercruiser
5/24/2011, 12:58 PM
None so major as Israel in terms of our contributions.

No other one a good ALLY either!
That's why!

StoopTroup
5/24/2011, 01:41 PM
http://lewrockwell.com/raimondo/raimondo110.html

It's hard to get past the 1st line of that Prophet when they misstate what the POTUS said.


When the President of the United States reiterated longstanding American policy in the Middle East – that the borders of Israel and a Palestinian state must be based on the 1967 borders, give or take a few land swaps here and there

He didn't say MUST in that context. He said they must start to negotiate somewhere. Clearly the disconnect must lie in the fact that some people don't want the President to succeed in anyway or hate the Israelis or Muslims.

This board even has people who clearly hate them both and the President. But...What's good for America? Articles like the one you posted are free to be written here. Are they in Israel? Are they In Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iran....? Again Bene's response to Obama couldn't contain a "Why sure! let's give up some land our people fought and died over so that we can have Peace!" He'd be dead 10 seconds after he got off the plane in Tel Avie is my guess.

Jimmy Carter was the last US President to try and cool heads in that region and currently the youth in the area are rebelling against the Old Guards in the Middle East. Do we continue to ignore them and then face a large Army of Hammas or off-shoot of Al Queda or do we try to address the focus of their hatred (Israel) and try to work towards an Israel that can exist without having to defend themselves with Nuclear Weapons?

Honestly....Obama needed an ice breaker to get things started....I'm not sure he approached it properly either....But he's probably going to be in the White house another term by the looks of things and the Muslim World wasn't exactly to keen on the last republican we had in Office. Should we work towards peace in the region or elect a Herman Cain who looks to close the front door of America and try to throw the deadlock?

I think cooler heads should prevail and that many folks should quit focusing on sounds bites they get from the 15 seconds of news they see a day.

SoonerProphet
5/25/2011, 10:49 AM
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/paul-pillar/exposing-netanyahu-5353?page=1