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The
5/17/2011, 03:06 PM
Marine Survives Two Tours in Iraq, SWAT Kills Him (http://reason.com/blog/2011/05/16/marine-survives-two-tours-in-i)

Tim Cavanaugh (http://reason.com/people/tim-cavanaugh) | May 16, 2011


"Please send me an ambulance and you can ask more questions later, please!"
Guerena tells the dispatcher that her husband had returned home about 6:30 a.m. after work and was sleeping.
Prompted by the dispatcher, Guerena says her husband was shot in the stomach and hands.
The dispatcher asks Guerena to put her cheek next to her husband's nose and mouth to see if he's breathing, but she replies in Spanish that her husband is face- down.
The operator tells Guerena to grab a cloth and apply pressure to his wounds, but the wife responds frantically: "I can't! I can't! There's a bunch of people outside of my house. I don't know what the heck is happening!"
A dispatcher asks if the people outside are the SWAT members. "I think it's the SWAT, but they ... Oh my God!" Guerena says.
A dispatcher asks that she open the door for the SWAT, but Guerena replies that the door was already opened by police.
"Is anybody coming? Is anybody coming?" she asks.
The operator tells Guerena help is on the way, but they're still trying to figure out what happened.
"I don't know, that's it, whatever I told you, that's it," Guerena says.
Just after the five-minute mark, Guerena's end of the line goes silent.
The two dispatchers spend about four minutes talking to each other and calling out for Guerena while trying to figure out if the call is coming from the same residence where the warrant was served. At the end of the 10-minute 911 call, a dispatcher says she has confirmation that Guerena is outside with deputies on the scene.


This is from Arizona Daily Star reporter Fernanda Echavarri's effort to piece together the death of Jose Guerena (http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_b3177522-baa0-5c9e-9f0d-d3d7da6e9e4b.html), 26, at the hands of a Pima County, Arizona SWAT team. Guerena, who joined the Marines in 2002 and served two tours in Iraq, was killed just after 9 a.m. May 5. Guerera had just gone to bed after working a 12-hour shift at a local mine when his home was invaded as part of a multi-house crackdown by sheriff's deputies.
Like enemy of the state Osama bin Laden, Guerena died with his wife close by. Widow Vanessa Guerena, who hid with her four-year-old son when sheriff's deputies raided the home, fills in detail (http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_d7d979d4-f4fb-5603-af76-0bef206f8301.html) that has been slow to come from Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik’s office:
"When I came out the officers dragged me through the kitchen and took me outside, and that's when I saw him laying there gasping for air," Vanessa Guerena said. "I kept begging the officers to call an ambulance that maybe he could make it and that my baby was still inside."
The little boy soon after walked out of the closet on his own. SWAT members took him outside to be with his mother.
"I never imagined I would lose him like that, he was badly injured but I never thought he could be killed by police after he served his country," Vanessa Guerena said.
The family's 5-year-old son was at school that morning and deputies say they thought Guerena's wife and his other child would also be gone when they entered the home.
Guerena says there were no drugs in their house.
Deputies said they seized a "large sum of money from another house" that morning. But they refused to say from which of the homes searched that morning they found narcotics, drug ledgers or drug paraphernalia. Court documents showing what was being sought and was found have not been made public. A computer check on Guerena revealed a couple of traffic tickets and no criminal history.
Tucson KGUN’s Joel Waldman says (http://www.kgun9.com/story/14657011/911-tapes-released-in-deadly-swat-shooting) the SWAT team prevented paramedics from going to work on Guerena for one hour and fourteen minutes.
The sheriff’s department maintains that Guerena was holding an AR-15 when the paramilitary force fired 71 bullets in his home, but other key parts of the government story have collapsed. While PCSD initially claimed Guerena fired the weapon he was alleged to have been holding, the department now says it was a misfire by one of the deputies that caused this deadly group panic inside a home containing a woman and a toddler:
A deputy's bullet struck the side of the doorway, causing chips of wood to fall on his shield. That prompted some members of the team to think the deputy had been shot, [PCSD spokesman Michael] O'Connor said.
http://reason.com/assets/mc/tcavanaugh/joseguerena.jpg

OutlandTrophy
5/17/2011, 03:15 PM
The sheriff’s department maintains that Guerena was holding an AR-15 when the paramilitary force fired 71 bullets in his home, but other key parts of the government story have collapsed. While PCSD initially claimed Guerena fired the weapon he was alleged to have been holding, the department now says it was a misfire by one of the deputies that caused this deadly group panic inside a home containing a woman and a toddler:
I'm sure all of the evidence they found in his home was there before the raid happened.

olevetonahill
5/17/2011, 03:18 PM
Mother ****ers:mad:

Jammin'
5/17/2011, 03:19 PM
We need to loosen the laws on when and how the police can enter a home.

OUMallen
5/17/2011, 03:19 PM
See? No big deal for the police to be in your hosue without a warrant. Nothing to see here, citizen.

3rdgensooner
5/17/2011, 03:19 PM
That reads like a giant cluster f^%k

olevetonahill
5/17/2011, 03:20 PM
I'm sure all of the evidence they found in his home was there before the raid happened.

I bet a 20 year Law enforcement dude could explain this.

Tulsa_Fireman
5/17/2011, 03:20 PM
We need to loosen the laws on when and how the police can enter a home.

It's cool. Indiana's taking the lead on that so we're good to go.

The
5/17/2011, 03:21 PM
That reads like a giant cluster f^%k

I know. Reason formats like *******s. At least I got the ads out.

3rdgensooner
5/17/2011, 03:22 PM
I know. Reason formats like *******s. At least I got the ads out.That's not what I meant, but I commend you on your posting skills. They're mad, yo.

The
5/17/2011, 03:23 PM
That's not what I meant, but I commend you on your posting skills. They're mad, yo.
http://i.imgur.com/GFFiR.jpg

SoCaliSooner
5/17/2011, 03:23 PM
Is sheriff dupnik going to blame palin and limbaugh for shooting this guy too?

3rdgensooner
5/17/2011, 03:25 PM
Is sheriff dupnik going to blame palin and limbaugh too for shooting this guy too?
Duplicate toos are duplicates.

mgsooner
5/17/2011, 03:26 PM
Too many toos is one too many toos.

The Profit
5/17/2011, 03:27 PM
Is sheriff dupnik going to blame palin and limbaugh for shooting this guy too?



Why not?

SoCaliSooner
5/17/2011, 03:28 PM
Too lateski...edited that fast yo...

3rdgensooner
5/17/2011, 03:29 PM
Quoted words are quoted.

The Maestro
5/17/2011, 03:30 PM
I'm not a big fan of law enforcement types in AZ...serious "got picked on in high school" issues.

2121Sooner
5/17/2011, 03:32 PM
Tooshay

SoCaliSooner
5/17/2011, 03:38 PM
Tooshay

Et tu 21?

delhalew
5/17/2011, 04:30 PM
Were are the ****ers to defend that...:(

AlboSooner
5/17/2011, 04:35 PM
, the department now says it was a misfire by one of the deputies that caused this deadly group panic inside a home containing a woman and a toddler

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/facepalmsmiley.gif

Sooner_Tuf
5/17/2011, 04:39 PM
Where is that higher standard when you need it?

olevetonahill
5/17/2011, 04:40 PM
Were are the ****ers to defend that...:(

Strangely silent.:rolleyes:

sappstuf
5/17/2011, 04:41 PM
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/facepalmsmiley.gif

Homeowners should never escalate the situation because that forces the police to use deadly force...

AlboSooner
5/17/2011, 04:42 PM
Homeowners should never escalate the situation because that forces the police to use deadly force...

If you ain't got nothing to hide, why worry...

Caboose
5/17/2011, 04:44 PM
It was worth it. This guy might have had a joint. I mean, the possibility was there. Don't you all feel safer now?

cccasooner2
5/17/2011, 05:01 PM
It seems like I just read that story a while back. Seems to me the conflicting stories and assault were of an event in Pakistan.

olevetonahill
5/17/2011, 05:39 PM
It seems like I just read that story a while back. Seems to me the conflicting stories and assault were of an event in Pakistan.

I looked for it on Snopes , No Info

olevetonahill
5/17/2011, 05:53 PM
Evidently this is a True story :mad:

http://www.kold.com/story/14604192/wife

cccasooner2
5/17/2011, 06:04 PM
What is the thing that enrages you the most about this story?
1. The cops did not bring a team of lawyers to the gathering to represent both parties.
2. A Congressman/woman did not hold a press conference expressing outrage that weapons in the hands of police officers has gotten out of hand and should be banned. (I think the lady that got capped unsuccessfully by the college student was not in Florida to cheer on a rocket launch.)
3. The judge that issued the warrants did not have prior service records of the suspects checked before conducting a raid.
3a. A marine is incapable of breaking a law.
4. No warrants were issued.
5. The war on drugs should never have been declared.
6. The war on drugs was never declared.
7. Killing people is a bad thing.
8. A kid was in the vicinity when his dad was killed.
9. The wife could not speak English to save her husband.
10. The wife did not take the bullet herself.
11. The cops did not rape the wife first.

I am refilling now (and yes, I am an alcoholic) so I’ll let you supply any I’ve missed.

olevetonahill
5/17/2011, 06:12 PM
Quite simply, what outrages Me is people like YOU.:rolleyes:

MR2-Sooner86
5/17/2011, 06:16 PM
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l99eii4xUx1qc8pm4o1_400.jpg

cccasooner2
5/17/2011, 06:25 PM
Quite simply, what outrages Me is people like YOU.:rolleyes:

You didn't like my lying about my alchohol problem?

olevetonahill
5/17/2011, 06:30 PM
You didn't like my lying about my alchohol problem?

:rolleyes:

Sooner_Tuf
5/17/2011, 07:32 PM
Is Obama taking credit for this invasion also?

I haven't seen MSNBC today so I haven't heard.

KABOOKIE
5/17/2011, 07:35 PM
I bet a 20 year Law enforcement dude could explain this.

Nah, we're just a bunch of ignorant fools that don't understand the cops are always right and you should never ever question their authoritay. :rolleyes:

Cops have a tough job ya know.

olevetonahill
5/17/2011, 07:37 PM
Nah, we're just a bunch of ignorant fools that don't understand the cops are always right and you should never ever question their authoritay. :rolleyes:

Cops have a tough job ya know.

;)

KABOOKIE
5/17/2011, 07:38 PM
Yep here's another 20+ year LEO. :rolleyes:

No-knock warrants for joints and maybe a random house or two to show that we aren't discriminating.


CROWN POINT, Ind. – According to Newton County Sheriff, Don Hartman Sr., random house to house searches are now possible and could be helpful following the Barnes v. STATE of INDIANA Supreme Court ruling issued on May 12th, 2011. When asked three separate times due to the astounding callousness as it relates to trampling the inherent natural rights of Americans, he emphatically indicated that he would use random house to house checks, adding he felt people will welcome random searches if it means capturing a criminal.

olevetonahill
5/17/2011, 07:43 PM
Yep here's another 20+ year LEO. :rolleyes:

No-knock warrants for joints and maybe a random house or two to show that we aren't discriminating.

:eek:

Sooner_Tuf
5/17/2011, 07:55 PM
I get the feeling that Indiana Wal-Marts will be selling Claymores by the case.

jkjsooner
5/17/2011, 08:35 PM
Strangely silent.:rolleyes:

I'm not silent. This looked like a cluster **** and people need to pay the price for this.

But this has nothing to do with someone who thinks it's okay to shoot cops because their warrant had the wrong address.

I don't think anyone ever said that police never make horrible horrible mistakes. Nothing in this thread makes me question the stance I took in the other thread and nothing I said in the other thread makes me any less disguisted at the police over this incident.

KABOOKIE
5/17/2011, 08:37 PM
Maybe we can form a petition? That'll show 'em. :rolleyes:

jkjsooner
5/17/2011, 08:46 PM
Yep here's another 20+ year LEO. :rolleyes:

No-knock warrants for joints and maybe a random house or two to show that we aren't discriminating.

Something tells me we're going to see this on Snopes soon.

And, if true, all it means is that the sheriff is an idiot. His interpretation of the ruling is absurd and his stance has about as much chance of passing court review as the law Oklahoma tried to pass denying citizenship to children born in the US to illegal aliens.

sooner ngintunr
5/17/2011, 08:59 PM
"misfire"= accidental shot. Only applied to cops that are in your residence though.

Trigger happy SWAT. ****ing bull****.

A misfire is when your weapon doesn't fire.

Bunch of ****ing overpaid clowns.