Navy to Allow Same-Sex Weddings On Base Chapels

[sappstuf]

Who would have thought this could come from such a clean looking bunch? :)

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http://battleland.blogs.time.com/2011/05/09/the-navy-says-i-do-to-same-sex-marriages/

[Aldebaran]

Is this about going across the equator for the first time?

[Howzit]

Those are some happy seamen.

[sappstuf]

Is this about going across the equator for the first time?

That you would have to ask such a question tells me that I cannot answer.

May King Neptune have mercy on your soul...

[soonercruiser]

Sure glad I spent the 29 years in the Air Force!
:rolleyes:

BTW - the rule calls for Chaplins to make their own decision as to whether to "officiate" any such ceremony.
Personally, I would give them directions to the hearest tatoo parlor.

[KantoSooner]

After 300 plus years of jokes about 'Rum, sodomy and the lash' being the iron triangle upon which the Royal Navy was built, how can this come as any form of surprise?

[olevetonahill]

What the hells wrong with that?

Hell they been having Same sex Honeymoons on board their ships fer years.:D

[Aldebaran]

That you would have to ask such a question tells me that I cannot answer.

May King Neptune have mercy on your soul...

:pop:

[Howzit]

Those are some happy seamen.

Because...see...'seamen' sounds simliar to 'semen'...

[Chuck Bao]

Just ignore those fu<king pricks that just want to make of joke of it.

Two men who want to commit to spending a life together can serve this country as well as anyone else. Yeah, getting it on isn't the worry here. Those seamen already know how to do that when they take port leave.

[soonercruiser]

Just ignore those fu<king pricks that just want to make of joke of it.

Two men who want to commit to spending a life together can serve this country as well as anyone else. Yeah, getting it on isn't the worry here. Those seamen already know how to do that when they take port leave.

No, no! It's not "port" or starboard.
It takes the bow or stern approach!

I like that - a stern approach - or...bow and stern approach! (For Japanese or Chinese diplmoat)
"Drop anchor -prepare the stern"! :D

[StoopTroup]

Hey Chuck....

Cruiser is hittin on you!

[soonercruiser]

:eek:

"Hard astern"!

[Chuck Bao]

Hey Chuck....

Cruiser is hittin on you!

Not to worry, I can handle that big boy.

[Chuck Bao]

:eek:

"Hard astern"!

Then what you cruising for? :confused:

[King Barry's Back]

Just ignore those fu<king pricks that just want to make of joke of it.

Two men who want to commit to spending a life together can serve this country as well as anyone else. Yeah, getting it on isn't the worry here. Those seamen already know how to do that when they take port leave.

You may be right, but either way, i believe that the use of base chapels for "gay weddings," and US govt officials (chaplins) officiating for such events is a violation of the Defense of Marriage Act.

Already some 76 House members have expressed the same opinion officially to President Obama.

I'll guess we'll see where this shakes out.

[DIB]

You may be right, but either way, i believe that the use of base chapels for "gay weddings," and US govt officials (chaplins) officiating for such events is a violation of the Defense of Marriage Act.

Already some 76 House members have expressed the same opinion officially to President Obama.

I'll guess we'll see where this shakes out.


no state (or other political subdivision within the United States) may be required to recognize as a marriage a same-sex relationship considered a marriage in another state.

That means that, say, Oklahoma cannot be forced to recognize these gay marriages. It does not say that a government entity cannot recognize gay marriage. The distinction in language is very important.

[bonkuba]

Sadly, nothing is going to stop it.........eh.....oh well.

[StoopTroup]

Stop what?

It's all Natural.

Quit struggling....

[olevetonahill]

Then what you cruising for? :confused:

Hell, Bro He wants it HARD astern
Pay Tention. ;)

[StoopTroup]

Which way does an *** Tern?

[Chuck Bao]

Which way does an *** Tern?

I'm not sure. Mind you, I grew up in Oklahoma.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Now if only the aTm corps gets with the program... ;)

[Chuck Bao]

Now if only the aTm corps gets with the program... ;)

Those boys just need to get married and stop all that playing around the field, so to speak.

[Chuck Bao]

All hands on deck. Well, they got the ship wedged in sideways on that one.

http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/05/11/Navy_Reverses_Course_in_On_Base_Weddings/


Navy officials have suspended recent guidance that would have allowed chaplains to perform weddings for same-sex couples at on-base facilities.

In an April 13 memo on “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal training, Rear Adm. Mark L. Tidd, Chief of Navy Chaplains, clarified that base facilities are “sexual orientation neutral,” and that chaplains may perform marriages for gay couples “if it is conducted in accordance with the laws of a state which permits same-sex marriage[.]” Chaplains could elect to officiate should a ceremony be “consistent with the tenets of his or her religious organization.”

But Tidd reversed course late Tuesday, writing that his guidance is suspended pending “additional legal and policy review and inter-Departmental coordination.”

Tidd’s about-face comes after outcry in recent days from a group of Republican lawmakers who want to bar same-sex weddings from base facilities, as well as religious conservative groups that have long railed against any change in the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, wrote in a Tuesday blog post that Tidd’s guidance was an affront to the Defense of Marriage Act, which prohibits federal recognition of gay marriages.

“Now that the ban on homosexuals in the military is overturned, the White House is trying to enlist the troops in its war on DOMA. And if the administration won't uphold the law, then it shouldn't surprise anyone that the President would order the military to ignore it,” Perkins wrote.

Rep. Todd Akin, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, is expected to offer an amendment Wednesday to the National Defense Authorization Act that would bar marriage ceremonies for gay couples at base facilities — whether or not they are located in states, such as Connecticut, that have full marriage equality.

Alex Nicholson, executive director of Servicemembers United, issued the following statement on Wednesday:

"At a time when the economy still needs attention, Osama Bin Laden was just killed, and revolution and conflict continue to rage across a fragile Middle East, having lawmakers spend valuable and limited time on whether a few gay couples may or may not use a Navy facility for a private ceremony at some point in the future is just plain silly,” Nicholson said. “The Navy was certainly within its right to establish this policy, and the services should not be subjected to distracting pressure from reactionaries simply because they seek to treat all personnel equally and fairly."

[soonercruiser]

"astern"
That backwards, for you backwards types!
:D

[sappstuf]

All hands on deck. Well, they got the ship wedged in sideways on that one.

http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/05/11/Navy_Reverses_Course_in_On_Base_Weddings/

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Pde4JkpV-EY/TakGb-UjWxI/AAAAAAAAAjE/bCaChVm114M/s1600/Emily+LItella.jpg

[diverdog]

Who would have thought this could come from such a clean looking bunch? :)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2001/2129407099_3c0dc96eb6.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/i26r9j.jpg

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1139/20090406ran8113282149lo.jpg

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3862/27981867.jpg


http://battleland.blogs.time.com/2011/05/09/the-navy-says-i-do-to-same-sex-marriages/

Wow Sapp are you going to sit there and take all this chit?

[3rdgensooner]

Navy revokes guidance on same-sex marriages (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/navy-revokes-guidance-on-same-sex-marriages/2011/05/10/AFg5BmlG_blog.html)

The Navy is revoking guidance to its chaplains that would have allowed same-sex marriages at military chapels once the ban on gays serving openly in the military is lifted.

In an April 13 memo, Rear Adm. Mark L. Tidd, the Navy’s chief of chaplains, said that same-sex marriages would be permitted at military chapels in states that recognize same-sex marriages once the gay ban ended.

Tidd said in his April memo that Navy chaplains would not be required to officiate at same-sex marriage ceremonies if it was inconsistent with religious beliefs and that gay marriages could occur on base because Navy lawyers had concluded that “generally speaking, base facility use is sexual orientation neutral.”

At the time Tidd said the guidance was prompted by questions raised by chaplains during mandatory training sessions (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/troops-get-training-on-end-of-dont-ask/2011/05/06/AFEMKiSG_story.html) about the end of “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

But he revoked the guidance late Tuesday, saying he was suspending it “pending additional legal and policy review” and closer coordination with the Army, Air Force and Coast Guard.

Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said Wednesday that media coverage and complaints from Capitol Hill prompted military lawyers to review Tidd’s guidance.

“Legal counsel looked at it and determined it needed further review,” Lapan said at a briefing with reporters.

Lapan said Defense Department lawyers will determine whether policy on holding same-sex marriages at military chapels can be left up to each service to determine or requires military-wide legal guidance.

The Defense Department may still eventually permit gay troops to use military chapels in states that recognize homosexual marriages for same-sex weddings after President Obama lifts the ban on openly gay service members known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” military officials said Tuesday night. The asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the issue.

The Navy’s training programs (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/troops-get-training-on-end-of-dont-ask/2011/05/06/AFEMKiSG_story.html) for chaplains and sailors regarding the ban’s repeal will continue as scheduled, a Navy spokeswoman said Tuesday night.
The Defense Department has provided the military services with “general training material,” Lapan said, but each of them has “some latitude in training materials and methods.”

Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (http://www.sldn.org/), called Tidd’s guidance in the April memo prudent and correct, noting that chaplains can still decline to perform gay marriages just as they are free today to do so with respect to any marriage.

But conservative groups blasted the guidance when Tidd’s memo surfaced late last week.

The Family Research Council said on its Web site (http://www.frc.org/washingtonupdate/navy-jumps-ship-on-doma) that permitting same-sex marriage at military chapels would make it “even more uncomfortable for men and women of faith to perform their duties” as military chaplains.

Elaine Donnelly, founder of the Center for Military Readiness (http://www.cmrlink.org/) and a vocal critic of ending the ban, said Tuesday that Tidd’s reversal proves the military hasn’t properly considered the consequences of lifting the gay ban.

“They don't know what they’re doing, they don’t have a clue,” she said late Tuesday.

Tidd’s decision “demonstrates what we’ve been saying all along — this isn’t leadership,” she said. “In this case, a senior officer issued something that is contrary to common sense, sound policy and the assurances given to Congress.”

Republican members of the House Armed Services Committee (http://armedservices.house.gov/) are also expected to introduce related amendments Wednesday at a hearing (http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/hearings?ContentRecord_id=2fee1271-8836-40c1-bd62-118d116533f8&ContentType_id=14f995b9-dfa5-407a-9d35-56cc7152a7ed&Group_id=13e47ffa-0753-47a7-ad5e-1ba7592015c9) on this year’s version of the annual defense authorization bill (http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/ndaa).

Republican aides and activists for and against ending the ban expect Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) to introduce an amendment that would prohibit the use of Defense Department facilities for same-sex marriages, even if state laws permits them. The amendment would also bar military chaplains and other DOD personnel from officiating at gay marriages.

Another amendment expected to be introduced by Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) would expand the process of ending “don’t ask, don’t tell” by requiring Obama, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen to obtain certifications from the heads of the Air Force, Army, Coast Guard, Marines and Navy before lifting the ban.

The heads of the Army and Marine Corps last year expressed concerns about ending the ban during a wartime, but all five service chiefs said they didn’t believe they should have to join Obama, Gates and Mullen in certifying an end to the ban.

The amendments "represent a not-so-subtle attack upon the senior leadership of the Department of Defense," Sarvis said. The measures also "undermine the men and women in uniform who are undertaking with the highest degree of professionalism the very assignment they were given by the previous Congress."

[soonercruiser]

Wow!
Maybe Eric Holder won't get to screw this one up!
:rolleyes:

[StoopTroup]

Navy revokes guidance on same-sex marriages (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/navy-revokes-guidance-on-same-sex-marriages/2011/05/10/AFg5BmlG_blog.html)

The Navy is revoking guidance to its chaplains that would have allowed same-sex marriages at military chapels once the ban on gays serving openly in the military is lifted.

In an April 13 memo, Rear Adm. Mark L. Tidd, the Navy’s chief of chaplains, said that same-sex marriages would be permitted at military chapels in states that recognize same-sex marriages once the gay ban ended.

Tidd said in his April memo that Navy chaplains would not be required to officiate at same-sex marriage ceremonies if it was inconsistent with religious beliefs and that gay marriages could occur on base because Navy lawyers had concluded that “generally speaking, base facility use is sexual orientation neutral.”

At the time Tidd said the guidance was prompted by questions raised by chaplains during mandatory training sessions (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/troops-get-training-on-end-of-dont-ask/2011/05/06/AFEMKiSG_story.html) about the end of “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

But he revoked the guidance late Tuesday, saying he was suspending it “pending additional legal and policy review” and closer coordination with the Army, Air Force and Coast Guard.

Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said Wednesday that media coverage and complaints from Capitol Hill prompted military lawyers to review Tidd’s guidance.

“Legal counsel looked at it and determined it needed further review,” Lapan said at a briefing with reporters.

Lapan said Defense Department lawyers will determine whether policy on holding same-sex marriages at military chapels can be left up to each service to determine or requires military-wide legal guidance.

The Defense Department may still eventually permit gay troops to use military chapels in states that recognize homosexual marriages for same-sex weddings after President Obama lifts the ban on openly gay service members known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” military officials said Tuesday night. The asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the issue.

The Navy’s training programs (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/troops-get-training-on-end-of-dont-ask/2011/05/06/AFEMKiSG_story.html) for chaplains and sailors regarding the ban’s repeal will continue as scheduled, a Navy spokeswoman said Tuesday night.
The Defense Department has provided the military services with “general training material,” Lapan said, but each of them has “some latitude in training materials and methods.”

Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (http://www.sldn.org/), called Tidd’s guidance in the April memo prudent and correct, noting that chaplains can still decline to perform gay marriages just as they are free today to do so with respect to any marriage.

But conservative groups blasted the guidance when Tidd’s memo surfaced late last week.

The Family Research Council said on its Web site (http://www.frc.org/washingtonupdate/navy-jumps-ship-on-doma) that permitting same-sex marriage at military chapels would make it “even more uncomfortable for men and women of faith to perform their duties” as military chaplains.

Elaine Donnelly, founder of the Center for Military Readiness (http://www.cmrlink.org/) and a vocal critic of ending the ban, said Tuesday that Tidd’s reversal proves the military hasn’t properly considered the consequences of lifting the gay ban.

“They don't know what they’re doing, they don’t have a clue,” she said late Tuesday.

Tidd’s decision “demonstrates what we’ve been saying all along — this isn’t leadership,” she said. “In this case, a senior officer issued something that is contrary to common sense, sound policy and the assurances given to Congress.”

Republican members of the House Armed Services Committee (http://armedservices.house.gov/) are also expected to introduce related amendments Wednesday at a hearing (http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/hearings?ContentRecord_id=2fee1271-8836-40c1-bd62-118d116533f8&ContentType_id=14f995b9-dfa5-407a-9d35-56cc7152a7ed&Group_id=13e47ffa-0753-47a7-ad5e-1ba7592015c9) on this year’s version of the annual defense authorization bill (http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/ndaa).

Republican aides and activists for and against ending the ban expect Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) to introduce an amendment that would prohibit the use of Defense Department facilities for same-sex marriages, even if state laws permits them. The amendment would also bar military chaplains and other DOD personnel from officiating at gay marriages.

Another amendment expected to be introduced by Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) would expand the process of ending “don’t ask, don’t tell” by requiring Obama, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen to obtain certifications from the heads of the Air Force, Army, Coast Guard, Marines and Navy before lifting the ban.

The heads of the Army and Marine Corps last year expressed concerns about ending the ban during a wartime, but all five service chiefs said they didn’t believe they should have to join Obama, Gates and Mullen in certifying an end to the ban.

The amendments "represent a not-so-subtle attack upon the senior leadership of the Department of Defense," Sarvis said. The measures also "undermine the men and women in uniform who are undertaking with the highest degree of professionalism the very assignment they were given by the previous Congress."

This is the kind of mess I expect to see once Marijuana is made legal.

Situation after situation will be tried in court and in public opinion courts for years. At least it will be legal....lol

Also....it's good to see the GOP is ready to really help with getting the deficit down and focusing in on things that really matter. :D :rolleyes:


Republican members of the House Armed Services Committee are also expected to introduce related amendments Wednesday at a hearing on this year’s version of the annual defense authorization bill.

[sappstuf]

I just went through the required DADT training about how the Navy is going to deal with the changes.

In short, not much changes. We still don't ask, no one has to tell, but if they do... Whatever.

I was hoping for coed showers like Starship Troopers, but alas, we haven't progressed that far.

What doesn't change and will be much bigger when/if it does is the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act.

You can be gay now and serve, but no marriage will be recognized, no housing for partner, health care, ect. You will be treated as single regardless. Exceptions could be made on certain things like being able to live out in town and stuff, but that will be case by case.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I was hoping for coed showers like Starship Troopers, but alas, we haven't progressed that far.

You deserve spek for this! LOL I will when I can, its not coming up for me...



What doesn't change and will be much bigger when/if it does is the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act.

You can be gay now and serve, but no marriage will be recognized, no housing for partner, health care, ect. You will be treated as single regardless. Exceptions could be made on certain things like being able to live out in town and stuff, but that will be case by case.

Yeah, how's the same sex cohabitation going to work in the enlisted and officers housing? I see FAIL happening for a while...