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Sooner_Tuf
4/30/2011, 08:15 PM
Now this is funny. After The Huskers have been touting their superiority because of their membership in the AAU turns out the AAU has been trying to kick them out for ten years. And finally did so. That UNL will be the only member of the Big 10 that is not a member of the AAU.

The Big 10 made it clear before the search for expansion teams that AAU membership was mandatory unless it was Notre Dame. I'll be curious to see how long it takes for the Big 10 to give Nebraska a full cut now if they ever do.

Looks like UNL is destined to make less money in the Big 10 for a long while. Boy they sure showed the Big XII. They ran away with their tails between their legs touting better opportunity in a conference that they now don't meet the academic standard (big surprise) and with the Ohio State scandal doesn't look so pure.



LINK (http://journalstar.com/news/local/education/article_d9eca939-b681-535d-ad1a-a98d9ef3b01e.html?utm_campaign=ljtweet&utm_source=ljtweet&utm_medium=ljtweet)

Research universities group ends UNL's membership

The University of Nebraska-Lincoln, after 102 years' membership in the Association of American Universities, has been given the boot by the association of 63 top research universities.

The AAU members voted this month to end UNL's membership based on its inability to meet certain requirements, Chancellor Harvey Perlman said in an email to faculty and staff Friday.

"I think it's unfortunate after 102 years of membership that our membership is discontinued," said University of Nebraska President James B. Milliken.

Perlman said he was notified Tuesday that a two-thirds majority of the group's members had voted to end UNL's membership. The AAU's other members began voting on UNL's membership on April 11, he said.

"We have known we were at risk of this for 10 years and successfully fought off a similar threat in 2000," he said. "I had hoped our extraordinary accomplishments and steep trajectory would have made us less vulnerable, but the AAU's approach to the review made this result inevitable."

Perlman said this marks the first time in the AAU's 111-year history that it has ended an institution's membership, although the organization has succeeded in encouraging some members to withdraw. He said there is no way for UNL to appeal the AAU's decision.

UNL has been listed at the bottom of the organization's members for more than a decade, based on criteria that rank all research universities, Perlman said. Rank is based on research expenditures, the number of faculty belonging to the National Academies of sciences and engineering and the Institute of Medicine, specified faculty awards and citations.

Membership criteria are weighted based on the number of tenure-track faculty. Based on that measurement, a number of non-AAU institutions ranked higher than 15 AAU institutions, including UNL, Perlman said.

He said the AAU's four criteria were unfair disadvantages for UNL because the NU system is organized with separate flagship (UNL) and medical campuses (the University of Nebraska Medical Center). Most AAU institutions have medical schools, which tend to get large amounts of research dollars, Perlman said.

"With UNMC's research included, we would have had research expenditures above many other AAU institutions," he said.

A study conducted last year by The Chronicle of Higher Education showed Nebraska's system as a whole outpaces those of at least 11 AAU members.

Another disadvantage UNL faced, Perlman said, was the AAU policy of not allowing member universities to include research funded by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, a major source of funding for UNL. However, the association does count agricultural faculty when weighting rankings, Perlman said.

"Because of our strong commitment as a land-grant institution to serving the state of Nebraska, we are seriously disadvantaged within the AAU ranking system," Perlman said in his email.

He said AAU membership policies also provide consideration for an institution's trajectory, something Perlman believed should have convinced the group's members to allow UNL to remain. Among AAU institutions, UNL has the seventh-largest percentage growth in research expenditures in the past decade, he said. In addition, the university is a leader and partner in research with all of the highest-ranked AAU institutions, he said.

In an interview Friday, Perlman said he didn't think the AAU's decision would affect the university's efforts to attract research dollars or top faculty. He said it also likely wouldn't affect UNL's entry into the Big Ten Conference, a transition that officially takes place July 1.

However, Perlman acknowledged that the university's membership in the AAU was likely a factor in the Big Ten's decision to invite UNL to join last year.

"I would assume it might have been (a factor) just because they're all AAU institutions," he said.

The Big Ten is the only Division I conference that has all of its members affiliated with the AAU. Considering AAU universities receive about 57 percent of all federally funded research provided to universities annually, the Big Ten has become known as a home for the best research universities in the country.

By comparison, the Big 12 has seven AAU members.

When the Big Ten's academic arm, the Committee on Institutional Cooperation, approved UNL's entry last summer, committee Chairman Rodney Erickson recognized UNL's membership in the AAU.

Perlman said most of the 11 other Big Ten universities supported UNL's efforts to remain in the AAU, as did all of the Big 12 universities in the AAU.

"I honestly don't think it's going to change anything," he said. "I suppose it will be, in the short-term, an embarrassment."

Prem Paul, UNL vice chancellor for research and economic development, said he doesn't believe the AAU's decision will affect the university's efforts to build Innovation Campus, a public and private research campus that will occupy the former State Fair Park.

"Frankly, the country needs the type of research we're doing," he said. "The state needs the research we're doing. We're doing big things."

He said he also doesn't believe the AAU decision will affect efforts to win research grants, because those grants don't take into account whether an applicant is an AAU university. Grant applications focus more on the quality of an idea and how supportive a university is toward research as well as the quality of that institution's faculty, Paul said.

"We have faculty members that compete every day amongst the very best in the country and will continue to do that," he said. "I'm very proud of my faculty colleagues."

swardboy
4/30/2011, 08:23 PM
Shocking. Corn shocking.

Sooner Cal
4/30/2011, 08:33 PM
The AAU sounds like just another socialist organization. NU should have withdrawn rather than wait to be booted. I think these organizations serve one purpose, create a demand for tenured faculty in certain fields of study and I hate the concept of tenured faculty. College professors need to teach first, second and third. Research should be less of a priority. And when they don't teach, they should get canned.

TheHumanAlphabet
4/30/2011, 10:57 PM
The AAU sounds like just another socialist organization. NU should have withdrawn rather than wait to be booted. I think these organizations serve one purpose, create a demand for tenured faculty in certain fields of study and I hate the concept of tenured faculty. College professors need to teach first, second and third. Research should be less of a priority. And when they don't teach, they should get canned.

Funny thing, during the interview process they all talk about teaching. However, we all know teaching won't get you tenure, research grants (~$250,000 total in 6 years when I was interviewing) and papers will.

budbarrybob
5/1/2011, 03:07 AM
:stunned:

Sooner_Tuf
5/1/2011, 12:52 PM
The AAU sounds like just another socialist organization. NU should have withdrawn rather than wait to be booted. I think these organizations serve one purpose, create a demand for tenured faculty in certain fields of study and I hate the concept of tenured faculty. College professors need to teach first, second and third. Research should be less of a priority. And when they don't teach, they should get canned.

I'm not sure you are serious. What about the AAU parallels socialism?

Without research there is little to teach, besides research pays for other parts of the school. So you think a school that researches cancer treatments should fire all involved?

I don't believe your opinion is very well thought out nor does it reflect a formula that brings billions of dollars into public universities.

kevpks
5/1/2011, 03:49 PM
The AAU sounds like just another socialist organization. NU should have withdrawn rather than wait to be booted. I think these organizations serve one purpose, create a demand for tenured faculty in certain fields of study and I hate the concept of tenured faculty. College professors need to teach first, second and third. Research should be less of a priority. And when they don't teach, they should get canned.

I think your post proves your point. Your history teachers should have focused less on research and taught you a more accurate definition of socialism.

cleller
5/1/2011, 08:46 PM
While looking for something on this topic, I ran across this story from June 2010. Nebraska and the Big 10 crowing about how all the schools in the Big 10 are in this AAU; the only conference that can (could) claim that.


Here's the first page, from The Chicago Tribune:

Nebraska has it all to attract Big Ten, most importantly AAU membership
Every school in the conference is a member of the elite group of research universities
June 13, 2010|By Chris Hine, Tribune reporter

LINCOLN, Neb. — The passionate fan base, storied football program and geographic proximity to the rest of the conference — all these factors helped make Nebraska an attractive candidate for the Big Ten's expansion plans.

But Nebraska had one other criterion vital to Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany and the conference's presidents and chancellors: membership in the AAU.

No, not the Amateur Athletic Union, which is commonly associated with youth basketball, but rather the Association of American Universities.

"All the Big Ten schools are AAU members," Nebraska Chancellor Harvey Perlman said. "I doubt that our application would've been accepted had we not been a member of the organization."
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So what is the AAU, and why is it so important to the Big Ten members?

It's a group of 63 elite research universities in the U.S. and Canada. Membership is through invitation only, and the group's primary focus is evaluating and developing the top graduate programs, not necessarily undergrad programs, spokesman Barry Toiv said.

"(Membership) is generally considered a sign that a research university has arrived as a top research university," Toiv said.

The AAU is basically a facilitator for collaboration among these universities, a venue where the top officials from member schools gather to exchange ideas and discuss the prevalent issues in education, something that's critical to college presidents, Toiv said.

Now that Nebraska will be joining the Big Ten, Perlman said that will make avenues of collaboration with the other Big Ten schools a little easier to travel.

"The Big Ten for a long time has been known for being the only conference that has really had a strong academic component through the Committee on Institutional Cooperation," Perlman said. "Right now, in research, in trying to solve the problems and challenges that face our country, it requires big research projects with our interdisciplinary teams with a lot of folks focusing from various perspectives on the issues.

"The more institutions you can get together in a real collaborative way, the greater likelihood it is that you'll put the right teams together."

Perlman added that Penn State's seamless integration into the conference from a research perspective helped make his decision to switch conferences easy.

Plus, AAU membership is crucial for recruiting elite faculty. It's a marker of which schools are and aren't important.

texaspokieokie
5/2/2011, 08:01 AM
Sooner Tuf

you were right, no biggie. at least not on the football board.

tfoolry
5/2/2011, 09:23 AM
N is for nowledge

badger
5/2/2011, 10:19 AM
Well, now there's room for OU, because I think David Boren would retire a happy man if he got Sooner Nation in AAU. I'm not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, but I really, really think President Boren wants OU's research standing to go up even more than it has during his tenure so far... and AAU membership is probably a milestone in that endeavor.

As for Nebbish... find out which Big Ten schools said "no" and beat them in football. There's not much else you can do about this decision in the short-term. How embarrassing... for you. :P

Sooner_Tuf
5/2/2011, 11:56 AM
Sooner Tuf

you were right, no biggie. at least not on the football board.

reading comprehension = good. poke = bad


Badger is right that would be awesome if Boren could get the AAU to invite OU in.

For people like pokie (wtf) the AAU was Nebraska's reason they were better than OU or Texas since they haven't been able to win on the field.

Going to be a lot of crow to eat if the Big Ten still takes them. Which I am sure they will. Because we all know in reality it is about money not the AAU. Of course they AAU is about money too.

I think it was Penn State that didn't want Nebraska to join the Big Ten.

badger
5/2/2011, 12:13 PM
I think it was Penn State that didn't want Nebraska to join the Big Ten.

If memory serves correctly, Penny wanted another east coast team to be able to recruit in the NY/Boston/etc markets better... a Syracuse or a Boston College or even a Maryland. Or rather, that's what Joe Pa said publicly. Not sure if it was just reiterating what the Nittany (whatever the eff that means) Lions were already saying.

TheBobbyTrain
5/2/2011, 12:18 PM
Not sure if it was just reiterating what the Nittany (whatever the eff that means) Lions were already saying.

a Nittany Lion is basically a mountain lion that hails from the Nittany mountain/hill region of Pennsylvania. You're welcome.

NormanPride
5/2/2011, 12:43 PM
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5/2/2011, 01:04 PM
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Jacie
5/2/2011, 01:08 PM
Well, now there's room for OU, because I think David Boren would retire a happy man if he got Sooner Nation in AAU. I'm not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, but I really, really think President Boren wants OU's research standing to go up even more than it has during his tenure so far... and AAU membership is probably a milestone in that endeavor.

Getting OU into the AAU was one of Banowsky's stated goals when he became OUr prez. Wanting is not as easy as getting, however. The push to get into the AAU was the reason the campus radio station was made an affiliate of NPR. Really ticked off the students who ran it up to then because it gave them experience they otherwise would not get till they could go to work for a commercial radio station. I wonder if OU has made any progress towards AAU membership since those days?

85sooners
5/2/2011, 01:22 PM
Getting OU into the AAU was one of Banowsky's stated goals when he became OUr prez. Wanting is not as easy as getting, however. The push to get into the AAU was the reason the campus radio station was made an affiliate of NPR. Really ticked off the students who ran it up to then because it gave them experience they otherwise would not get till they could go to work for a commercial radio station. I wonder if OU has made any progress towards AAU membership since those days?

:pop:

badger
5/2/2011, 01:29 PM
a Nittany Lion is basically a mountain lion that hails from the Nittany mountain/hill region of Pennsylvania. You're welcome.

thx. :D

texaspokieokie
5/2/2011, 02:17 PM
Getting OU into the AAU was one of Banowsky's stated goals when he became OUr prez. Wanting is not as easy as getting, however. The push to get into the AAU was the reason the campus radio station was made an affiliate of NPR. Really ticked off the students who ran it up to then because it gave them experience they otherwise would not get till they could go to work for a commercial radio station. I wonder if OU has made any progress towards AAU membership since those days?

Banowsky had a brother in irving who was a dentist.

texaspokieokie
5/2/2011, 02:19 PM
reading comprehension = good. poke = bad


Badger is right that would be awesome if Boren could get the AAU to invite OU in.

For people like pokie (wtf) the AAU was Nebraska's reason they were better than OU or Texas since they haven't been able to win on the field.

Going to be a lot of crow to eat if the Big Ten still takes them. Which I am sure they will. Because we all know in reality it is about money not the AAU. Of course they AAU is about money too.

I think it was Penn State that didn't want Nebraska to join the Big Ten.

"pokieokie" refers to a slow person from OK. that's me !!!

TheHumanAlphabet
5/2/2011, 03:53 PM
Getting OU into the AAU was one of Banowsky's stated goals when he became OUr prez. Wanting is not as easy as getting, however. The push to get into the AAU was the reason the campus radio station was made an affiliate of NPR. Really ticked off the students who ran it up to then because it gave them experience they otherwise would not get till they could go to work for a commercial radio station. I wonder if OU has made any progress towards AAU membership since those days?

What a lame a$$ reason. I worked at KGOU at the time, in the day some of the best "alternative" radio in the country. And a damn fine weather crew...;)

finster
5/2/2011, 07:38 PM
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soonerboy_odanorth
5/9/2011, 01:34 PM
Surprised this little *oops* for NU isn't getting more run nationally.

Regardless, the part about where NU had all the support of the 7 Big XII AAU members to renew their membership? Yeah...

I have a little land down in Florida that I would like to sell. (It's gets a little damp seasonally.) Anyone have Harvey's number? I'm sure his fine institution could use it for research or sumfin'...

SoonerofAlabama
5/9/2011, 05:00 PM
So they don't get extra federal funding for their students now?

badger
5/9/2011, 05:40 PM
So they don't get extra federal funding for their students now?

I don't think AAU status is tied to federal funding :P

However... I have a riddle for you:

Q: Why did UT-Austin recently buy $1 billion in gold bars?








(pause)








A: Because the University of Nebraska is depreciating in value via its loss of AAU, so they had to make up the difference in its other assets.

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;) you know i love you, bugeater traitors of the big ten

SoonerofAlabama
5/9/2011, 05:53 PM
I don't think AAU status is tied to federal funding :P

However... I have a riddle for you:

Q: Why did UT-Austin recently buy $1 billion in gold bars?








(pause)








A: Because the University of Nebraska is depreciating in value via its loss of AAU, so they had to make up the difference in its other assets.

OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS! OWNED BY TEXAS!
;) you know i love you, bugeater traitors of the big ten

Did you type all of that?

badger
5/9/2011, 06:01 PM
Did you type all of that?

technically, if you include CTRL+C and CTRL+V (50 times or so) as "typing"

texaspokieokie
5/9/2011, 06:05 PM
i was impressed by no mistakes.

SoonerofAlabama
5/9/2011, 06:18 PM
Nice little trick.

Sooner_Tuf
5/9/2011, 11:57 PM
I don't think AAU status is tied to federal funding :P



AAU Universities tend to get the bulk of Federal research dollars. It is kind of a which came first the chicken or the egg question. The AAU Membership is comprised of Universities that do huge amounts of research. They also tend to stretch the dollars by sharing data and working together. They are much more likely to get Federal Funds as the schools lobby for one another as does the AAU itself. They are way better represented when trying to get monies for research.