Good Morning...Columbine

[Okla-homey]

April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Murders

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12 years ago, on this day in 1999, two teenagers kill 13 people in a shooting spree at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, south of Denver.

At approximately 11:19 a.m., Dylan Klebold, 18, and Eric Harris, 17, dressed in trench coats, began shooting students outside the school before moving inside to continue their rampage.

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By 11:35 a.m., Klebold and Harris had killed 12 fellow students and a teacher and wounded another 23 people. Shortly after noon, the two teenaged sociopaths turned their guns on themselves and committed suicide.

The crime was the worst school shooting in U.S. history (until 33 people, including the gunman, were killed in the Virginia Tech shooting on April 16, 2007) and prompted a national debate on gun control and school safety, as well as a major investigation to determine what motivated the teen gunmen.

Investigations eventually determined that Harris and Klebold chose their victims randomly. Their original plan was for two propane bombs to explode in the school's cafeteria, potentially killing hundreds of people and forcing the survivors outside and into the gunmen's line of fire. When the bombs didn't work, Harris and Klebold went into the school to carry out their murderous rampage.

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There was speculation that Harris and Klebold committed the killings because they were members of a group of social outcasts called the "Trenchcoat Mafia" that was fascinated by Goth culture. Violent video games and music were also blamed for influencing the killers. However, none of these theories was ever proven.

Columbine High School reopened in the fall of 1999, but the massacre left a scar on the Littleton community. Mark Manes, the man who sold a gun to Harris and bought him 100 rounds of ammunition the day before the murders, was sentenced to six years in prison.

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In the aftermath of the Columbine shootings, many schools enacted "zero tolerance" rules regarding disruptive behavior and threats of violence from students.

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[StoopTroup]

I still can't remember how I'm supposed to feel.

[jkjsooner]

This is the 12th anniversary of these two rotting in hell. Kinda gives me a warm fuzzy feeling thinking of it.

Hopefully the others are all enjoying their 12th year in paradise.

I can't believe some of these kids would now be 30 years old...

[olevetonahill]

Just did a google on school shootings. Not sure if this is accurate or Not.
But from lookin at it I think its safe to assume that TeeVee and Violent Video games are a big part of the problem.

A brief history of school shootings
April 20, 2007 — admin

This list below is from the Wikipedia page – School Shooting – what I notice is that school shootings are a fairly recent phenomenon (late 1980s/early 1990s onwards) and they do seem to happen mainly in the USA.

OK, so this is not a scientific survey by any means, but doesn’t this list make you stop and think?

Enoch Brown school massacre – July 26, 1764
Poe Elementary School Attack – September 15, 1959
University of Texas at Austin massacre – August 1, 1966
Kent State shootings – May 4, 1970
Avivim school bus massacre – May 8, 1970
Jackson State killings – May 14-15, 1970
Ma’alot massacre – May 15, 1974
California State University – July 12, 1976
Parkway South Junior High School shooting – January 20, 1983
Laurie Dann – May 20, 1988
Stockton massacre – January 17, 1989
École Polytechnique Massacre – December 6, 1989
University of Iowa shooting – November 1, 1991
Concordia University massacre – August 24, 1992
Simon’s Rock College of Bard shooting – December 14, 1992
Richland High School shooting – 1995.
Frontier Junior High shooting – February 2, 1996
Dunblane massacre – Scotland, March 13, 1996
Sanaa massacre – Yemen, March 30, 1997
Pearl High School shooting, October 1, 1997
Heath High School shooting, December 1, 1997
Jonesboro massacre – March 24, 1998
Thurston High School shooting – May 21, 1998
Columbine High School massacre – 1999
W. R. Myers High School shooting – April 28, 1999
Heritage High School shooting – May 20, 1999
Santana High School – March 5, 2001
Appalachian School of Law shooting – 2002
Erfurt massacre – Germany, 2002
Monash University shooting – Australia, October 21, 2002
Rocori High School shootings – September 24, 2003
Southwood Middle School tragedy, 2004
Red Lake High School massacre – March 21, 2005
Campbell County High School – November 8, 2005
Dawson College shooting – Canada, September 13, 2006
Platte Canyon High School shooting – September 27, 2006
Amish school shooting – October 2, 2006
Weston High School shooting, September 29, 2006
Henry Foss High School – 2007
Beirut Arab University shooting – Lebanon, January 25, 2007
Virginia Tech massacre – April 16, 2007

[lexsooner]

Dave Cullen's bestseller about Columbine from a couple of years ago is an interesting read. Examination of Eric Harris's writings strong suggested he was a budding serial rapist and murderer, according to psychologists. His diary entries fantasized about kidnapping, torturing, raping, and killling women. The depths of his psychopathy and sadism will never be known. Klebold was the weaker one, the follower who probably would never have done the killings but for Harris's influence on him. I also think Harris's parents are culpable. There were way too many behavioral problems and other signs of serious problems which no attentive parent could miss. The first victim, cute Rachel Scott, apparently had a premonition she would not survive that past that year. She was a devout Christian, so that is food for thought for non-believers.

[soonercruiser]

Lest we forget - parents and teachers need to be vigilant (not PC)!

(Got a D-I-L that was raised by her mother who wanted to be her "friend"; and the sin of the mother was passed along to the first child - a disaster x2!)
:(

[OULenexaman]

they covered a lot of ground....room to room.....level to level...much like the games vet speaks of.

[OUDoc]

Or the military.

IMO, the only way violent video games are responsible is if they tip an already unstable mind. If you know right from wrong, this isn't a problem.

[lexsooner]

they covered a lot of ground....room to room.....level to level...much like the games vet speaks of.

Their original plan was beyond sick. They planned for the explosives in the cafeteria to go off, which would have killed hundreds of students. Then they would position themselves to pick off escaping students with their guns. But the explosives did not detonate. Their victims were killed early on and at the very end in the school library. They did a lot of searching in between but did not find many targets. Harris was a young Ted Bundy who liked guns and explosives.

[yermom]

they covered a lot of ground....room to room.....level to level...much like the games vet speaks of.

i couldn't tell you how many people i've shot in video games. i'm not about to shoot up a school.

i would agree that they might have learned some tactics from video games and movies though...

[badger]

This really is a week filled with the anniversaries of tragedies, isn't it?

The thing that I remember most about Columbine was the misconceptions about music and video games that grew out of it... that they did it because they listened to Marilyn Manson. That part was true, but there were also a few other misconceptions, like them creating a level on Doom 2 based on the school, so that it was like they were simulating shooting up the school on their computer.

Then, about five years ago, a game called "Bully" came out from the creators of Rockstar, which notorious anti-vidya lawyer (who has since been disbarred) Jack Thompson called a "Columbine simulator." I've played it, it wasn't. There were no guns, other than a potato gun used by the evil nerd boss.

In any event, one of my high school teachers shared the advice that she gave her elementary school daughter: Be nice to everyone in school. Really nice. No matter what. Don't bully, don't tease, don't be mean or heartless or exclude others or bring them to tears. Be nice to EVERYone.

[olevetonahill]

Or the military.

IMO, the only way violent video games are responsible is if they tip an already unstable mind. If you know right from wrong, this isn't a problem.


i couldn't tell you how many people i've shot in video games. i'm not about to shoot up a school.

i would agree that they might have learned some tactics from video games and movies though...

Just said that TeeVee and Video Games contributed to this.
Granted the Games and such may have just Tipped an unstable mind, But they also could have helped CREATE said Unstable mind ;)

[lexsooner]

This really is a week filled with the anniversaries of tragedies, isn't it?

The thing that I remember most about Columbine was the misconceptions about music and video games that grew out of it... that they did it because they listened to Marilyn Manson. That part was true, but there were also a few other misconceptions, like them creating a level on Doom 2 based on the school, so that it was like they were simulating shooting up the school on their computer.

Then, about five years ago, a game called "Bully" came out from the creators of Rockstar, which notorious anti-vidya lawyer (who has since been disbarred) Jack Thompson called a "Columbine simulator." I've played it, it wasn't. There were no guns, other than a potato gun used by the evil nerd boss.

In any event, one of my high school teachers shared the advice that she gave her elementary school daughter: Be nice to everyone in school. Really nice. No matter what. Don't bully, don't tease, don't be mean or heartless or exclude others or bring them to tears. Be nice to EVERYone.

They did it simply because Eric Harris was a highly disturbed psychopath with violent tendencies and poor impulse control, and Dylan Klebold was a disturbed and weak follower. Enough said.

Sadly, the first victim Rachel Scott was as sweet to her classmates as anyone. She liked to befriend unpopular students and even agreed to go to a prom with a handicapped student. Unfortunately for her, being nice or good meant nothing to the heartless.

[stoopified]

Just did a google on school shootings. Not sure if this is accurate or Not.
But from lookin at it I think its safe to assume that TeeVee and Violent Video games are a big part of the problem.

A brief history of school shootings
April 20, 2007 — admin

This list below is from the Wikipedia page – School Shooting – what I notice is that school shootings are a fairly recent phenomenon (late 1980s/early 1990s onwards) and they do seem to happen mainly in the USA.

OK, so this is not a scientific survey by any means, but doesn’t this list make you stop and think?

Enoch Brown school massacre – July 26, 1764
Poe Elementary School Attack – September 15, 1959
University of Texas at Austin massacre – August 1, 1966
Kent State shootings – May 4, 1970
Avivim school bus massacre – May 8, 1970
Jackson State killings – May 14-15, 1970
Ma’alot massacre – May 15, 1974
California State University – July 12, 1976
Parkway South Junior High School shooting – January 20, 1983
Laurie Dann – May 20, 1988
Stockton massacre – January 17, 1989
École Polytechnique Massacre – December 6, 1989
University of Iowa shooting – November 1, 1991
Concordia University massacre – August 24, 1992
Simon’s Rock College of Bard shooting – December 14, 1992
Richland High School shooting – 1995.
Frontier Junior High shooting – February 2, 1996
Dunblane massacre – Scotland, March 13, 1996
Sanaa massacre – Yemen, March 30, 1997
Pearl High School shooting, October 1, 1997
Heath High School shooting, December 1, 1997
Jonesboro massacre – March 24, 1998
Thurston High School shooting – May 21, 1998
Columbine High School massacre – 1999
W. R. Myers High School shooting – April 28, 1999
Heritage High School shooting – May 20, 1999
Santana High School – March 5, 2001
Appalachian School of Law shooting – 2002
Erfurt massacre – Germany, 2002
Monash University shooting – Australia, October 21, 2002
Rocori High School shootings – September 24, 2003
Southwood Middle School tragedy, 2004
Red Lake High School massacre – March 21, 2005
Campbell County High School – November 8, 2005
Dawson College shooting – Canada, September 13, 2006
Platte Canyon High School shooting – September 27, 2006
Amish school shooting – October 2, 2006
Weston High School shooting, September 29, 2006
Henry Foss High School – 2007
Beirut Arab University shooting – Lebanon, January 25, 2007
Virginia Tech massacre – April 16, 2007Maybe it is just a legally bling thing but I don't see Jonesboro,Ark, or Ft Gibson,Ok. on this list.

[olevetonahill]

Maybe it is just a legally bling thing but I don't see Jonesboro,Ark, or Ft Gibson,Ok. on this list.


OK, so this is not a scientific survey by any means, but doesn’t this list make you stop and think?

dint say it was a complete list;)

[The]

Just said that TeeVee and Video Games contributed to this.
Granted the Games and such may have just Tipped an unstable mind, But they also could have helped CREATE said Unstable mind ;)


That's as ignorant and small minded as blaming guns for these things.

[olevetonahill]

That's as ignorant and small minded as blaming guns for these things.

Well thats cause im an ignorant and small minded person.;)

[oudavid1]

Or the military.

IMO, the only way violent video games are responsible is if they tip an already unstable mind. If you know right from wrong, this isn't a problem.

Your son and me would be a good example.

[The]

Well thats cause im an ignorant and small minded person.;)


This is why you should have to graduate from a university to be a fan of said university.

[olevetonahill]

This is why you should have to graduate from a university to be a fan of said university.

I did

[The]

I did


What?

[oudavid1]

This is why you should have to graduate from a university to be a fan of said university.

uh no.

[olevetonahill]

What?

Class of 1899 Pay tention.

[The]

Class of 1899 Pay tention.


No, you're not.

[olevetonahill]

No, you're not.

I would not **** you.

[The]

I would not **** you.


I wouldn't want you to **** me.

[oudavid1]

I wouldn't want you to **** me.

I find Jenny Carlson kinda hot.

Not nearly as beautiful as the KFOR weather girl Emily Sutton. :hot:

[The]

I find Jenny Carlson kinda hot.

Not nearly as beautiful as the KFOR weather girl Emily Sutton. :hot:


You're overcompensating.

[oudavid1]

You're overcompensating.

im 19, im in heat.

[The]

im 19, im in heat.


You are wasting your youth on religion and sobriety.

[oudavid1]

You are wasting your youth on religion and sobriety.

Im Catholic man. We have confession. I use it.

God will forgive me for all the sins i commit.

[The]

Im Catholic

That explains it.