Bama, OU Tied for 17 NC's--According to the NCAA?

[Sabanball]

Before you make some smart*** retort like Bama claiming 50 NCs, follow me on this. Interesting read about both our programs and how we count championships--including YOUR school.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/647287-got-13-how-many-championships-does-alabama-or-anyone-really-have

[yermom]

we have a lot of NCAA recognized championship years

only 7 are on the stadium...

[jersey sooner]

Bleacher Report is the gospel.

[MeMyself&Me]

Before you make some smart*** retort like Bama claiming 50 NCs, follow me on this. Interesting read about both our programs and how we count championships--including YOUR school.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/647287-got-13-how-many-championships-does-alabama-or-anyone-really-have

Ummm, the article actually says OU claims 7. And then later says the OU program notes the NCAA selectors from 17 different years. Doesn't say that OU claims all those years. I think that's MUCH different than 'bama and their over zealous claims to 13.

Ask an OU fan how many championships OU has and the answer will be 7. Anybody else standing around will nod in agreement.

Ask a 'bama fan how many championships 'bama has and the answer will be 13. Anybody else standing around will snicker.


You can try to say it's the same standard all you want but it's not. If you wanted to use the same standard, you could go by total number NCAA selectors and you get that 17 number for both schools or you could use what is from nationally recognized selectors and OU would have 7 and 'bama would have... what is it, 6, 7, 8... I can't remember... all you say is 13 and I laugh. In any case, the realistic numbers are comparable.

[jersey sooner]

Interesting read about both our programs and how we count championships--including YOUR school.

You're right, it is interesting that one counts their championships without the need to feel insecure (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468), and the other counts them like they're an SEC school. That is interesting, dude.

[oudavid1]

OU has 7. Texas has 4.


Who the f*** cares about Bama.


PS. Not really angry, good thread Saban.

[Sabanball]

An endless debate, no doubt. I've always conceded that, since the beginning of the modern era(1950), you guys have the most championships and the most dominant program, but if you take into consideration what happened pre WWII especially, we're pretty even--and this article seems to bear that out. Kind of like your own record against Texas--since the mid 40's it's been very competitive, but before that time Texas owned you guys like a stepchild.

Carry on....:)

[Sabanball]

Ummm, the article actually says OU claims 7. And then later says the OU program notes the NCAA selectors from 17 different years. Doesn't say that OU claims all those years. I think that's MUCH different than 'bama and their over zealous claims to 13.

Ask an OU fan how many championships OU has and the answer will be 7. Anybody else standing around will nod in agreement.

Ask a 'bama fan how many championships 'bama has and the answer will be 13. Anybody else standing around will snicker.


You can try to say it's the same standard all you want but it's not. If you wanted to use the same standard, you could go by total number NCAA selectors and you get that 17 number for both schools or you could use what is from nationally recognized selectors and OU would have 7 and 'bama would have... what is it, 6, 7, 8... I can't remember... all you say is 13 and I laugh. In any case, the realistic numbers are comparable.

Really? The NCAA gives us credit for 17, yet we humbly claim only 13. How's that being overzealous?

[Sabanball]

You're right, it is interesting that one counts their championships without the need to feel insecure (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468), and the other counts them like they're an SEC school. That is interesting, dude.


Dangit!!! If it weren't for those SEC schools--and all their team speed...;)(sorry, I couldn't resist...)

[MeMyself&Me]

Really? The NCAA gives us credit for 17, yet we humbly claim only 13. How's that being overzealous?

Uhhh, no. The NCAA simply shows what organizations have named champions. The NCAA credits no one with national championships for football. It's up to everyone else to decide which 'championships' are legit.

And to you're post before that one, I agree. Both programs have been comparable historically. But 'bama claiming almost double the championships OU claims suggests that most 'bama fans disagree.

[Neath a Western Sky]

Thanks for the thread, Saban. The current Bama program is a powerhouse. Give us your outlook for your upcoming season, including recruiting and by position? Also, how strong do you think post-Newton Auburn will be in the near future?

[sperry]

Thanks for the thread, Saban. The current Bama program is a powerhouse. Give us your outlook for your upcoming season, including recruiting and by position? Also, how strong do you think post-Newton Auburn will be in the near future?



I'll take the Auburn question. They are going to be thoroughly mediocre. Chizik is not a good coach.


Auburn's 2011 schedule:

Utah State W
Mississippi State W
@ Clemson W
Florida Atlantic W
@ South Carolina L
@ Arkansas L
Florida L
@ LSU L
Ole Miss W
@ Georgia L
Samford W
Alabama L


I could see them losing the Clemson or Mississippi State games, and possibly winning the Georgia game. It's gonna be a rough season for Allbarn though.

[MyT Oklahoma]

Say whatever you want but we were still a better team than you in 1978.

As for * owning us until Bud Wilkinson.. I'd like to see you play * every year in Dallas during their state fair like we have since 1929.. and see how you'd do year in and year out.

[texaspokieokie]

Thanks for the thread, Saban. The current Bama program is a powerhouse. Give us your outlook for your upcoming season, including recruiting and by position? Also, how strong do you think post-Newton Auburn will be in the near future?

saban's balls;

PLEASE, never mind !!!!

[texaspokieokie]

I'll take the Auburn question. They are going to be thoroughly mediocre. Chizik is not a good coach.


Auburn's 2011 schedule:

Utah State W
Mississippi State W
@ Clemson W
Florida Atlantic W
@ South Carolina L
@ Arkansas L
Florida L
@ LSU L
Ole Miss W
@ Georgia L
Samford W
Alabama L


I could see them losing the Clemson or Mississippi State games, and possibly winning the Georgia game. It's gonna be a rough season for Allbarn though.

yep, i can tell by looking @ their schedule exactly how good they're gonna be. elementary.

[MeMyself&Me]

Kind of like your own record against Texas--since the mid 40's it's been very competitive, but before that time Texas owned you guys like a stepchild.

Yah know, bringing up Tejas in your own 'bama/OU comparison thread is kinda pokish. Who are you really... :confused:

[Flagstaffsooner]

“Various organizations have named National Champions in college football since 1869. Utilizing the selectors as recognized by the NCAA, Oklahoma has been recognized for 16 different seasons: 2003, 2000, 1986, 1985, 1980, 1978, 1975, 1974, 1973, 1967, 1957, 1956, 1955, 1953, 1950 and 1949.”
I dispute 03 in this, the others I'll take. Yes, we were awesome in 03 but lost to ksu and lsu.

[sperry]

yep, i can tell by looking @ their schedule exactly how good they're gonna be. elementary.


How about this? They're going to suck because their entire offense revolved around a once in a generation player taking the game over, and that player is now gone.

[kelloggOUballa]

You want gospel? Here's gospel:

All-time Associated Press National Poll Championships (From 1936-Present)
Notre Dame.............................................. ............................... 8 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1966, 1973, 1977, 1988
Alabama........................................... ......................................... 7 1961, 1964, 1965, 1978, 1979, 1992, 2009
Oklahoma.......................................... ....................................... 7 1950, 1955, 1956, 1974, 1975, 1985, 2000
Miami (FL).............................................. ................................... 5 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991, 2001
Southern California........................................ ...................... 5 1962, 1967, 1972, 2003, 2004
Minnesota......................................... ....................................... 4 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
Nebraska.......................................... ......................................... 4 1970, 1971, 1994, 1995
Ohio st. .................................................. ................................... 4 1942, 1954, 1968, 2002
Florida........................................... ............................................. 3 1996, 2006, 2008
Texas............................................. .............................................. 3 1963, 1969, 2005

[jersey sooner]

You want gospel? Here's gospel:

All-time Associated Press National Poll Championships (From 1936-Present)
Oklahoma.......................................... ....................................... 9 1950, 1955, 1956, 1974, 1975, 1985, 2000, 2011, 2012
Notre Dame.............................................. ............................... 8 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1966, 1973, 1977, 1988
Alabama........................................... ......................................... 7 1961, 1964, 1965, 1978, 1979, 1992, 2009
Miami (FL).............................................. ................................... 5 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991, 2001
Southern California........................................ ...................... 5 1962, 1967, 1972, 2003, 2004
Minnesota......................................... ....................................... 4 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
Nebraska.......................................... ......................................... 4 1970, 1971, 1994, 1995
Ohio st. .................................................. ................................... 4 1942, 1954, 1968, 2002
Florida........................................... ............................................. 3 1996, 2006, 2008
Texas............................................. .............................................. 3 1963, 1969, 2005

;)

[Quik Sand]

An endless debate, no doubt. I've always conceded that, since the beginning of the modern era(1950), you guys have the most championships and the most dominant program, but if you take into consideration what happened pre WWII especially, we're pretty even--and this article seems to bear that out. Kind of like your own record against Texas--since the mid 40's it's been very competitive, but before that time Texas owned you guys like a stepchild.

Carry on....:):gary:

[texaspokieokie]

“Various organizations have named National Champions in college football since 1869. Utilizing the selectors as recognized by the NCAA, Oklahoma has been recognized for 16 different seasons: 2003, 2000, 1986, 1985, 1980, 1978, 1975, 1974, 1973, 1967, 1957, 1956, 1955, 1953, 1950 and 1949.”
I dispute 03 in this, the others I'll take. Yes, we were awesome in 03 but lost to ksu and lsu.

why 53 & not 54.??

just take whatever seasons you like.i'd question 57,67 &80.

[Eielson]

Really? The NCAA gives us credit for 17, yet we humbly claim only 13. How's that being overzealous?

The NCAA also credits us with 17, yet you claim nearly twice as many as we do. Humble? Certainly not.

[Jacie]

If you blink, you'll miss the next 'bama NC.

Oops! There's another one, 18 . . .

[Sooners78]

Say whatever you want but we were still a better team than you in 1978.



Agreed. Our one loss which was by 3 points in Lincoln was avenged with a convincing win 31-17 (not really that close) on a neutral field. Bama lost at home to USC by 10 early in the season. They beat Penn St 14-7 in the Sugar Bowl. Bama did beat Nebraska earlier that season 20-3, but the game was in Birmingham. USC lost to Arizona St. 20-7 in the middle of the season. I don't think either of them wanted a piece of OU that year.

[MyT Oklahoma]

Agreed. Our one loss which was by 3 points in Lincoln was avenged with a convincing win 31-17 (not really that close) on a neutral field. Bama lost at home to USC by 10 early in the season. They beat Penn St 14-7 in the Sugar Bowl. Bama did beat Nebraska earlier that season 20-3, but the game was in Birmingham. USC lost to Arizona St. 20-7 in the middle of the season. I don't think either of them wanted a piece of OU that year.

The Orange Bowl was a misleading 31 to 24 OU victory after the Bugeaters got two late TD's against our second team defense.

But you are correct that no one in their right mind wanted any part of OU that year except for the Bugeaters in Lincoln. I give Nebraska credit though, they played one heck of a game in Lincoln that year.

[ictsooner7]

Really? The NCAA gives us credit for 17, yet we humbly claim only 13. How's that being overzealous?


Does one of those 13 include the year you went 8-2 and lost to VANDERBILT................. AT HOME THE LAST GAME OF THE SEASON?

[yankee]

Bama and their obsession with the number of NC's they claim is about as aggy as anything you'll ever see. Good grief, they can be a pathetic bunch.

[colinreturn]

Bama and their obsession with the number of NC's they claim is about as aggy as anything you'll ever see. Good grief, they can be a pathetic bunch.

which sucks because on the other hand some of the nicest most knowledgeable fans are Bama ones too

[soonerborn45]

Here is how stupid this whole thing is. Look at the link in the article that lists the national champions. In 2000 OU won every publications championship except one, the NY times credited Miami with the national title. Schools don't recognize the titles like this one. Miami in no way claims to have one the title in 2000 but the NY times says they did. Alabama on the other hand will claim that national title when the Tuscaloosa Market Gazette says they were champs after a 7-5 season.

[MyT Oklahoma]

What is Bama's record against OU anyway? Something like 0-2-1?

I can't remember. ;)

[jersey sooner]

What is Bama's record against OU anyway? Something like 0-2-1?

I can't remember. ;)

All that really matters is how much sexier our uniforms are

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/69418ce7db.jpg

;)

[SoonerEmpire]

I posted the following a few years back, so it's not updated to current, but I think, from a historical perspective, this is pretty accurate. It was written by someone else who I just happened to find one day surfing random sports websites one day.

Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not
http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121441

[MeMyself&Me]

I posted the following a few years back, so it's not updated to current, but I think, from a historical perspective, this is pretty accurate. It was written by someone else who I just happened to find one day surfing random sports websites one day.

Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not
http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121441

I've seen that before. It comes from an Auburn fan and I've read other things he's written in regards to his 'championship research'. While I agree with the logic that brings him to his method of counting (except that I think you have to go with only BCS when counting the BCS era... so NO to USC for '03), no 'Bama fan will regard this as legitimate simply because it originates with an Auburn fan.

[Mississippi Sooner]

One thing I certainly do agree with the Auburn guy on is that backdating championships is about as lame as you can get. I've actually had a Bama fan tell me that one of their early championships was because they won the Rose Bowl and "everyone considered the Rose Bowl the national championship back then." Uh, no they didn't.

AP, Coach's poll (UPI, USAToday, etc) and BCS should be the only legitimate guidelines.

[MeMyself&Me]

"everyone considered the Rose Bowl the national championship back then."

I actually got in a discussion with the OP on that a while back. What most people thought of as the two best teams didn't even play in the Rose Bowl for one, and two, if the national consensus really thought the Rose Bowl, or any bowl for that matter, was a national championship back then, why is it that when the AP started naming champions did it follow the regular season, and prior to the bowl games. It took the AP 30 years to start naming champions after the bowls.

That claim just doesn't make sense.

[badger]

Sabanball, I have a proposal for you:

1- Kick Auburn outta the SEC because of their blatant cheating ways (as seen on TV via HBO recently!)
2- Invite OU to the SEC.
3- We play every year from now till eternity, making it the greatest road trip every year for one of our fanbases.

Seriously, even if we need to omit steps 1 and 2 to get there, we still need to get there somehow. The 2002 and 2003 Bammer games were the most fun football games I've ever been to... well, up til 2008 Tech at home :D

[CrescentCityOUAlum]

Those pre 1936 titles are very weak IMO. Those are retroactive, meaning they went back years after the games were played and said "oh well so and so was the best team that year." Extremely lame to count that retroactive crap. The AP was the first organization to count them at the end of the season beginning in 1936.

And so, as far as I can tell, ND has 8, OU and Bama have 7 and on down the line. USC, Michigan, Ohio St. et al, have less. That's the way I see it.

I have never heard an OU fan say that we have more than 7. In fact, all of ours are consensus titles, save 1974 when we split with USC who took the coaches poll. The only reason for that is because one Darrell Royal put forth a rule adopted by the UPI, which said that a team on probation could not be voted for by the coaches. Ironically, many believe the 1974 team was perhaps the most powerful Sooner team of them all.

So, Saban Dude, you might want to recalculate using consensus non-retroactive titles and see what you come up with.