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87sooner
3/29/2011, 06:16 PM
the price for the seemingly available coaches is going up..
should we get into a bidding war?
what do you think we should pay to get our man?

OU_Sooners75
3/29/2011, 06:17 PM
Well, OU is prepared to pay right around 2 million from what the DOK says.

I do not think we should fork out anything more than that unless we can land a top 5 coach!

Quik Sand
3/29/2011, 06:20 PM
Agreed. It seems that Joe will have to open the wallet this time. Should get interesting. :pop:

87sooner
3/29/2011, 06:23 PM
2 mil is good money but not enuf to convince a top 20 coach to come to norman.
i don't think we'll pay more than that....and i'm not sure we should.

soonervegas
3/29/2011, 06:24 PM
Enough to get a guy that can coach and recruit at OU

I am afraid Joe C feels the need to pay for a "name". I'll just take a good all around coach.

87sooner
3/29/2011, 06:29 PM
Enough to get a guy that can coach and recruit at OU

I am afraid Joe C feels the need to pay for a "name". I'll just take a good all around coach.

i don't think he feels the need at all...
message board fans otoh definitely feel the need.
joe said repeatedly he was looking for a good fit....if that's a "name" then so be it....

C&CDean
3/29/2011, 06:30 PM
Ah, young jedi, you are starting to get it...

Quik Sand
3/29/2011, 06:31 PM
I concur with that

OU_Sooners75
3/29/2011, 06:36 PM
We shouldn't have to pay a coach 2million to come here.

Why not make their salary incentive based with the potential to make more?

Why not do something that gives the coach incentive to succeed even more?

Don't freak out the following is just an example:

Base Pay: $750,000
Win 20 Games: $50,000
Conference Champion (Reg Season): $250,000
Conference Champion (Tourney): $150,000
Make the NCAA Tourney: $75,000
Make the sweet 16: $25,000
Make the Elite 8: $50,000
Make the Final Four: $75,000
Make the NC: $100,000
Win a National Championship: $500,000

If the coach makes ever incentive then he would make $2,025,000 a year.
Give him 3 seasons to make the NCAAs. Give him 5 years to do better than that. If he makes the NCAAs each of his first three season, then negotiate a newer contract, but just raise his base pay to something like 900,000 or 1 mil.

We shouldn't just fork out a guarantee of $2 Mil+ just to get a coach here that hasnt proved to us that he can turn this program around. And if he can, reward him dearly for doing so!

Ruf/Nek7
3/29/2011, 06:38 PM
Pastner is no longer available. Signed a 5 year extension with Memphis.

sperry
3/29/2011, 06:48 PM
We shouldn't have to pay a coach 2million to come here.

Why not make their salary incentive based with the potential to make more?

Why not do something that gives the coach incentive to succeed even more?

Don't freak out the following is just an example:

Base Pay: $750,000
Win 20 Games: $50,000
Conference Champion (Reg Season): $250,000
Conference Champion (Tourney): $150,000
Make the NCAA Tourney: $75,000
Make the sweet 16: $25,000
Make the Elite 8: $50,000
Make the Final Four: $75,000
Make the NC: $100,000
Win a National Championship: $500,000

If the coach makes ever incentive then he would make $2,025,000 a year.
Give him 3 seasons to make the NCAAs. Give him 5 years to do better than that. If he makes the NCAAs each of his first three season, then negotiate a newer contract, but just raise his base pay to something like 900,000 or 1 mil.

We shouldn't just fork out a guarantee of $2 Mil+ just to get a coach here that hasnt proved to us that he can turn this program around. And if he can, reward him dearly for doing so!



That may work at first, but as soon as he makes his first sweet 16 you are gonna have to up his pay to $1.5 million or so, or he'll just bolt to somewhere that will pay him that.

boomersooner28
3/29/2011, 06:50 PM
Well hell...pay me $1.5 mill and I guess I'll do it.

OU_Sooners75
3/29/2011, 06:54 PM
That may work at first, but as soon as he makes his first sweet 16 you are gonna have to up his pay to $1.5 million or so, or he'll just bolt to somewhere that will pay him that.


If he got us to the sweet 16, he probably would want more pay..but you stick to the first three years...

If he makes every year, then give it to him. If not, then say, we will negotiate what you are worth to us.

Keep the base pay low and make him earn the rest that he wants. If a coach is scared of something like that, then they are just looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and could care less about the program!

87sooner
3/29/2011, 07:08 PM
We shouldn't have to pay a coach 2million to come here.

Why not make their salary incentive based with the potential to make more?

Why not do something that gives the coach incentive to succeed even more?

Don't freak out the following is just an example:

Base Pay: $750,000
Win 20 Games: $50,000
Conference Champion (Reg Season): $250,000
Conference Champion (Tourney): $150,000
Make the NCAA Tourney: $75,000
Make the sweet 16: $25,000
Make the Elite 8: $50,000
Make the Final Four: $75,000
Make the NC: $100,000
Win a National Championship: $500,000

If the coach makes ever incentive then he would make $2,025,000 a year.
Give him 3 seasons to make the NCAAs. Give him 5 years to do better than that. If he makes the NCAAs each of his first three season, then negotiate a newer contract, but just raise his base pay to something like 900,000 or 1 mil.

We shouldn't just fork out a guarantee of $2 Mil+ just to get a coach here that hasnt proved to us that he can turn this program around. And if he can, reward him dearly for doing so!


very good idea if you're talking coaches like evans/marshall/jones/....in which case the base salary should be about $400k
no chance in hell you get a top 25 coach for less than 2 mil...

oumartin
3/29/2011, 07:21 PM
Buzz wants the job. Joe c wont pay the buyout.

rekamrettuB
3/29/2011, 07:34 PM
very good idea if you're talking coaches like evans/marshall/jones/....in which case the base salary should be about $400k
no chance in hell you get a top 25 coach for less than 2 mil...

Yep. The reason you can't pay that structure is because other schools aren't. If I had a chance to make 1.25 mil guaranteed or start w/ base pay of 750K w/ incentives up to 2 mil...it would be very hard for me to turn down that extra 500K guaranteed.

yankee
3/29/2011, 08:22 PM
Buzz wants the job. Joe c wont pay the buyout.

:confused:

waynepayne
3/29/2011, 08:26 PM
Buzz wants the job. Joe c wont pay the buyout.

I'd be curious how you are privy to this information or are you just speculating like everyone else....

OU_Sooners75
3/29/2011, 08:32 PM
Yep. The reason you can't pay that structure is because other schools aren't. If I had a chance to make 1.25 mil guaranteed or start w/ base pay of 750K w/ incentives up to 2 mil...it would be very hard for me to turn down that extra 500K guaranteed.


And if you were a coach worth a ****, you would not be scared of it.

Basically what I purposed was to see what coaches really wanted to see the program get back to being a top 20 team or better.

If a coach likes a challenge, then he wouldnt shy away from it.

and 87...I would basically offer that very thing to the likes of Evans or Marshall. Not something like $400K as a base.

Maybe drop it to 600 or 700K to start the first contract out.

Quik Sand
3/29/2011, 08:32 PM
You gotta be flockin kiddin me

OU_Sooners75
3/29/2011, 08:33 PM
I'd be curious how you are privy to this information or are you just speculating like everyone else....


He isnt privy to anything...just spouting out of his ***....you got to learn about Marty!

C&CDean
3/29/2011, 08:39 PM
I'd be curious how you are privy to this information or are you just speculating like everyone else....

marty is so clueless he makes Calvin the paperboy look like a genius. Pay no attention...

rekamrettuB
3/29/2011, 08:47 PM
And if you were a coach worth a ****, you would not be scared of it.

Basically what I purposed was to see what coaches really wanted to see the program get back to being a top 20 team or better.

If a coach likes a challenge, then he wouldnt shy away from it.

and 87...I would basically offer that very thing to the likes of Evans or Marshall. Not something like $400K as a base.

Maybe drop it to 600 or 700K to start the first contract out.

It really has nothing to do with the type of coach I thought I was. There are factors involved that are bigger than just the coach. Again, other schools pay much higher bases w/ incentives so why would I choose one lower? It's called market forces. Market forces demand OU pay a competitive base salary plus incentives to draw a top coach. If OU wants one, they will shell out. If they want to save a little money and roll the dice on a lesser name (up and comer) then get after it.

OU_Sooners75
3/29/2011, 08:58 PM
It really has nothing to do with the type of coach I thought I was. There are factors involved that are bigger than just the coach. Again, other schools pay much higher bases w/ incentives so why would I choose one lower? It's called market forces. Market forces demand OU pay a competitive base salary plus incentives to draw a top coach. If OU wants one, they will shell out. If they want to save a little money and roll the dice on a lesser name (up and comer) then get after it.

And if you would have read my post that purposed such a thing, I said it was only an example.

However, for a young coach, that has minimal experience and success elsewhere, I would not offer a base of more than $900K....

Hell, there are football coaches in the Big 12-2 that do not make that much as a base and they bring in more money than any damn basketball program would at their school!

oumartin
3/29/2011, 09:02 PM
Blevins says today he knows from a coach buzz wanted oklahoma to make him offer because he hadnt been offered anything new at marquette but joe c. Wasnt gonna pay his buyout.

oumartin
3/29/2011, 09:04 PM
So take that and shove it up your *** 75. Listen to some spirys programming and learn simething. Could blevins be full of it. Yes but it was info he put out thete

Quik Sand
3/29/2011, 09:08 PM
So take that and shove it up your *** 75. Listen to some spirys programming and learn simething. Could blevins be full of it. Yes but it was info he put out theteLOL

OU_Sooners75
3/29/2011, 09:40 PM
So take that and shove it up your *** 75. Listen to some spirys programming and learn simething. Could blevins be full of it. Yes but it was info he put out thete

Yeah...let me tell you....Blevins is always correct when reporting something! :rolleyes:

Still spewing out your ***!

OU_Sooners75
3/29/2011, 09:41 PM
Blevins says today he knows from a coach buzz wanted oklahoma to make him offer because he hadnt been offered anything new at marquette but joe c. Wasnt gonna pay his buyout.


Linky Linky please!:pop:

oumartin
3/29/2011, 09:58 PM
Its right here on my balls.

87sooner
3/29/2011, 10:00 PM
:eek: :)

OU_Sooners75
3/29/2011, 10:03 PM
Its right here on my balls.


Damn, I will never find it there!

oumartin
3/29/2011, 10:33 PM
No but your wife did

LiveLaughLove
3/29/2011, 10:38 PM
Wow hate to interrupt the comedy but this question is easy easy. I say pay him $20 million per year for a lifetime contract and go get whomever you freaking want.
We lock up the very best coach for his lifetime! Woot!
Ain't my money. :)

badger
3/29/2011, 10:41 PM
I have not seen Joe C. publicly divulge any monetary figures anywhere... and for good reason. Remember when Ditka said he'd give up his entire draft for Ricky Weediams?

I have also seen no coaching targets named by any OU officials... also good reason. Remember when Nebbish's AD Steve Pedersen was getting turned down by everyone for the so-called best job in the country?

Alas, this longer search doesn't bode well for anything. 15 days going on 16. :(

OU_Sooners75
3/30/2011, 12:42 AM
No but your wife did


Yeah, she does have a good imagination!

MamaMia
3/30/2011, 01:17 AM
Its right here on my balls.heh :D
Yeah, she does have a good imagination!

Its nice that she has at least one good thing.

oumartin
3/30/2011, 06:57 AM
Linky Linky please!:pop:


http://www.newsok.com/source-buyout-is-stumbling-block-in-oklahomas-pursuit-of-buzz-williams/article/3553636?custom_click=lead_story_title

here dipsh!t

OutlandTrophy
3/30/2011, 07:46 AM
popcorn indeed! good job Martin!!

is there an emoticon for eating crow?

87sooner
3/30/2011, 07:57 AM
popcorn indeed! good job Martin!!

is there an emoticon for eating crow?

75 doesn't have to eat crow....you just read his post wrong;)

oumartin
3/30/2011, 08:36 AM
I woulda posted that link in the thread I started yesterday but our local sheriff felt the need to lock er up.

thanks.

rekamrettuB
3/30/2011, 08:43 AM
And if you would have read my post that purposed such a thing, I said it was only an example.



Regardless of whether you said "example" you asked these two questions:


Why not make their salary incentive based with the potential to make more?

Why not do something that gives the coach incentive to succeed even more?


I just explained why you couldn't do that. Market forces. Everyone looks at the guaranteed money when making a decision.

badger
3/30/2011, 09:16 AM
Wow hate to interrupt the comedy but this question is easy easy. I say pay him $20 million per year for a lifetime contract and go get whomever you freaking want.
We lock up the very best coach for his lifetime! Woot!
Ain't my money. :)

I'll donate a doggie crate to the effort. have that coach literally locked up with a little gerbil water dispenser for the full effect!

and maybe one of these:

http://smoothjazzy.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/dontforget.jpg?w=700

OUmillenium
3/30/2011, 09:21 AM
I'll take the job for $100,000.

oumartin
3/30/2011, 09:27 AM
I'll take the job for $100,000.

great, another overpaid coach! ;)

C&CDean
3/30/2011, 10:12 AM
I woulda posted that link in the thread I started yesterday but our local sheriff felt the need to lock er up.

thanks.

Or you could have just posted here originally rather than whine about moderation. No?

oumartin
3/30/2011, 10:17 AM
that would be impossible since I started my thread an hour before this one was started.

badger
3/30/2011, 10:18 AM
You guys just need to beat each other up and have a beer afterward. I hear that's how guys settle their differences.

As for how to settle this coaching vacancy, we are now on day 16 :(

oumartin
3/30/2011, 10:25 AM
I'd say lets settle it over a game of marbles.

C&CDean
3/30/2011, 10:27 AM
marbles is for fags. tiddlywinks for the win.

oumartin
3/30/2011, 10:39 AM
marbles is for fags. tiddlywinks for the win.




I was shooting marbles in an alley just down from where all this took place.


;)

badger
3/30/2011, 10:39 AM
marbles is for fags. tiddlywinks for the win.
http://product.images.fansedge.com/44-35/44-35644-F.jpg
All right guys, you know the tiddlywinks rules. Whoever lands the most objects in the OU mug wins. Loser has to drink the contents of the mug.

Annnnd... start chucking stuff in!

OU_Sooners75
3/30/2011, 03:07 PM
75 doesn't have to eat crow....you just read his post wrong;)


Actually, I love the taste of crow...after so many dishes, you acquire a taste for it! :P

Took marty a long time to find me a link. ;)

oumartin
3/30/2011, 03:25 PM
Took marty a long time to find me a link. ;)


Hey, took me a long time to crawl off your mom

OU_Sooners75
3/30/2011, 03:50 PM
Hey, took me a long time to crawl off your mom

:gary:

Thats gross.

Did you at least have a good time?

oumartin
3/30/2011, 04:00 PM
:gary:

Thats gross.

Did you at least have a good time?


felt like I had to eat my way out of a tub of cottage cheese.

OU_Sooners75
3/30/2011, 04:13 PM
felt like I had to eat my way out of a tub of cottage cheese.


Well, if it was that bad, you should have known what you were getting yourself into.


So stop complaining. If you are going to jump in, suffer the consequences. :P

oumartin
3/30/2011, 04:15 PM
hey, beggers can't be choosers.

OU_Sooners75
3/30/2011, 04:16 PM
hey, beggers can't be choosers.

You said it, not me! :P

oumartin
3/30/2011, 04:29 PM
hey, no shame to my game.