Dayum peeps Back off of the Potus

[olevetonahill]

Dayum This country has survived a shat load of Idjits in the White house .
WE gonna survive Obama , we survived GW we survived slick willie and Carter and any other idiot Ya want to name

WE gonna survive , Dont Yall get tired of all the bashin? Ya want to fix this shat? Lets get ALL of em in Washington to only be able to serve 2 years TOTAL

Then go home, It aint the POTUS , Its the ****in Lobbyist that buys em and the Long term Pols that sell out to em

Send those doosh bags Packin
Make servin in DC like the Draft. Ya Have to go for 2 years. Ya get a Minimum salary. Then ya get to go home and back to work
Rant over ;)

[KuppiKunta]

Damn Charlie.....I actually agree with ya!!!

[OUDoc]

It aint the POTUS , Its the ****in Lobbyist that buys em and the Long term Pols that sell out to em


Agreed.

[jumperstop]

Then who will people blame if not Obama?

[olevetonahill]

Damn Charlie.....I actually agree with ya!!!

Hey Kunta Kinte I aint Charlie Im Vet . Charlie is what I used for target practice ;)

[olevetonahill]

Then who will people blame if not Obama?

Kennedy, Pay tention

[Boomer.....]

Maybe we could finally get a Politics Forum on here so all of those talks wont be mucking up the SO.

[olevetonahill]

Maybe we could finally get a Politics Forum on here so all of those talks wont be mucking up the SO.

Go to slicks they got one :P

[cccasooner2]

Hopefully the best green spek I have spent.

[okie52]

Ummm, you mean Obama isn't responsible for us attacking Libya?

[OklahomaTuba]

WE gonna survive Obama

Oh we'll survive alright.

But what's going to be left after his disastrous 4 years if office (if he isn't impeached first) will look a lot like the other great liberal/socialist success stories of Detroit, California, Greece, etc.

And you can probably say goodbye to our reserve currency status, super power status, full time employment, affordable healthcare, home ownership, affordable energy. And say hello to our new communist Chinese masters.

But at least we'll have the dream of high speed rail, green energy and the UN telling us who to attack to fall back on.

Hope and Change Baby!!!!

[SoonerNate]

Then who will people blame if not Obama?

Funny how we're supposed to start backing off after 8 years of daily hate of W.

[Boomer.....]

Go to slicks they got one :P

And I stay out of it.

:D

[HBick]

Every single POTUS will fail in the eyes of some. You can't make everyone happy

[OklahomaTuba]

Is he playin golf today?

[Veritas]

Every single POTUS will fail in the eyes of some. You can't make everyone happy
Nice platitude.

He's failing in the eyes of most, regardless of political affiliation and color. When you're pissing off the Pubs AND Michael Moore on the same issue, you have really screwed yourself.

[KuppiKunta]

Hey Kunta Kinte I aint Charlie Im Vet . Charlie is what I used for target practice ;)


Whewwwww.....right over the head with that one!!

Nice racial come back though!

[SCOUT]

Nice platitude.

He's failing in the eyes of most, regardless of political affiliation and color. When you're pissing off the Pubs AND Michael Moore on the same issue, you have really screwed yourself.

Toss Ralph Nader into that mix. That is an amazing accomplishment.

[OklahomaTuba]

Failure? But Mr. Community Organizer hopped in to a hasty coalition led by no one with no clear goal.

What could go wrong????

[JohnnyMack]

Oh we'll survive alright.

But what's going to be left after his disastrous 4 years if office (if he isn't impeached first) will look a lot like the other great liberal/socialist success stories of Detroit, California, Greece, etc.

And you can probably say goodbye to our reserve currency status, super power status, full time employment, affordable healthcare, home ownership, affordable energy. And say hello to our new communist Chinese masters.

But at least we'll have the dream of high speed rail, green energy and the UN telling us who to attack to fall back on.

Hope and Change Baby!!!!

Remember folks, we were all riding unicorns to work and ****ting rainbows before Obama took over.

Before Obama:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8BtrdyyWRaw/TK8gXGaab5I/AAAAAAAAAUs/FX53Eb7RRqg/s1600/utopia.jpg

After Obama:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B6yyls5-yvg/Skn3-69Dk7I/AAAAAAAAAEY/-mJ8XuOJQow/s400/post-apocalyptic-street.jpg

Beware the Obama-lypse!!!

OHHHH!!! Loud noises!!!! Hyperbole!!!! Outrage!!!

[Mississippi Sooner]

I did **** a rainbow once. That's when I decided once and for all that it was time to stop mixing my medications and take them the way the doctor prescribed.

[Canyonero]

One of the guys I work with finally took down his Hope picture yesterday. I remember him saying how the people had their rights back after the election, blah blah about the Patriot Act, Guantanmo, and needless wars.

[SoonerNate]

One of the guys I work with finally took down his Hope picture yesterday. I remember him saying how the people had their rights back after the election, blah blah about the Patriot Act, Guantanmo, and needless wars.

Yeah, those brainwashed fools from 2 years ago can only carry his water for so long.

[soonerscuba]

Yeah, those brainwashed fools from 2 years ago can only carry his water for so long.I don't think you have a lot of room to throw "brainwashed" or "fool" around so loosely.

[olevetonahill]

Ummm, you mean Obama isn't responsible for us attacking Libya?

No more so than GW was for us going into Iraq . :rolleyes:

[olevetonahill]

Oh we'll survive alright.

But what's going to be left after his disastrous 4 years if office (if he isn't impeached first) will look a lot like the other great liberal/socialist success stories of Detroit, California, Greece, etc.

And you can probably say goodbye to our reserve currency status, super power status, full time employment, affordable healthcare, home ownership, affordable energy. And say hello to our new communist Chinese masters.

But at least we'll have the dream of high speed rail, green energy and the UN telling us who to attack to fall back on.

Hope and Change Baby!!!!

Well **** Tuba , cant you grow the **** up?
Ill bet you said the same dayum thing about Ike :rolleyes:

[okie52]

No more so than GW was for us going into Iraq . :rolleyes:

Yep, so was that a wise move? I know hindsight is 20/20 but would we do Iraq again? And now to have a 3rd war/front?

Seems stupid to me.

[olevetonahill]

Nice platitude.

He's failing in the eyes of most, regardless of political affiliation and color. When you're pissing off the Pubs AND Michael Moore on the same issue, you have really screwed yourself.

Dont Get me wrong Bro I think hes the worst thing to happen to this country since women,s suffrage. But We will survive ;)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Maybe we could finally get a Politics Forum on here so all of those talks wont be mucking up the SO.Let's see...click...don't click......tough choice, ain't it?

[olevetonahill]

Yep, so was that a wise move? I know hindsight is 20/20 but would we do Iraq again? And now to have a 3rd war/front?

Seems stupid to me.

Bro its Like I said about Lt Calley and My Lai
Y a have to go with what intelligence gives ya If its right Yer a Hero if its not yer a war criminal

[okie52]

Bro its Like I said about Lt Calley and My Lai
Y a have to go with what intelligence gives ya If its right Yer a Hero if its not yer a war criminal

Well everyone has their version of what intelligence was for W, et al, on Iraq.
I don't really hold him accountable for that other than the wisdom of a 2nd front with apparently no exit strategy.

But what could intelligence have told Obama that would have convinced him of the necessity to attack Libya? That we were somehow going to get their oil? That a 3rd front was the smart thing to do? That the rebels will end up being pro US? That it will be a short war? That we owe it to France?

He11, I'd like intelligence just to give a correct name for Quaddaffi-er, whatever.

[tcrb]

No more so than GW was for us going into Iraq . :rolleyes:

But at leasst W got the approval of Congress and then sat down in front of the camera and told the rest of us. As I recall, even Slick Willy did the same with the actions he took. Barry just started firing missiles and didn't say **** to anyone.

[olevetonahill]

Well everyone has their version of what intelligence was for W, et al, on Iraq.
I don't really hold him accountable for that other than the wisdom of a 2nd front with apparently no exit strategy.

But what could intelligence have told Obama that would have convinced him of the necessity to attack Libya? That we were somehow going to get their oil? That a 3rd front was the smart thing to do? That the rebels will end up being pro US? That it will be a short war? That we owe it to France?

He11, I'd like intelligence just to give a correct name for Quaddaffi-er, whatever.

You lost me right ****ing there

Bro when I was a youngster in highschool an got in a fight . I fought to WIN
Not to just subdue ya, But to kisck yerass

" Exit Strategy" is for Pusssies
get in Get the the JOB done then get out not before :rolleyes:

[MamaMia]

Dayum This country has survived a shat load of Idjits in the White house .
WE gonna survive Obama , we survived GW we survived slick willie and Carter and any other idiot Ya want to name

WE gonna survive , Dont Yall get tired of all the bashin? Ya want to fix this shat? Lets get ALL of em in Washington to only be able to serve 2 years TOTAL

Then go home, It aint the POTUS , Its the ****in Lobbyist that buys em and the Long term Pols that sell out to em

Send those doosh bags Packin
Make servin in DC like the Draft. Ya Have to go for 2 years. Ya get a Minimum salary. Then ya get to go home and back to work
Rant over ;)

If we're going to have term limits, or get them out quickly by whatever means, then we need to take away their cushy cushy lifelong benefits. I wont hold my breath.

[olevetonahill]

But at leasst W got the approval of Congress and then sat down in front of the camera and told the rest of us. As I recall, even Slick Willy did the same with the actions he took. Barry just started firing missiles and didn't say **** to anyone.

Yea those here that know me remember how I freaked the **** out when slick willy sent our troops into Bosnia and said NONE of our Forces would ne there till after Christmas in 95

That lying scumbag Draft dodgin MoFo
My SON was there 2 weeks before Christmas and I dint know it till 3 weeks after
**** the slickster

Oh and YES GW had the approval of Billary and John Kerry and all the others
Then they backpeddeled
:rolleyes:

[C&CDean]

I've stated it innumerable times on this board. BHO is the worst president since Carter, and quite possibly the worst president in the history of presidents. Time will eventually tell.

That being said, what really embarrasses the hell out of me is the guys like Tuba/Nate/Cruiser/RLIMC/etc. - all guys who I'm sure I am at least 95% in agreement with on most things political - acting EXACTLY like the liberal flocktards they bitched about while GWB was in. It's the EXACT SAME BEHAVIOR. You guys are making the rest of us look bad.

Here's the deal. Rise above it. Just because they are cockgobblers is not an excuse for being one yourself. I'm so sick of the bull**** rhetoric from both sides, and it's obvious that nobody on the left is going to extend a hand. Let's be the ones who take the high road. The gutter is chock full of dumbasses. Why wallow in all that filth?

[olevetonahill]

Make servin in DC like the Draft. Ya Have to go for 2 years. Ya get a Minimum salary. Then ya get to go home and back to work
Rant over



If we're going to have term limits, or get them out quickly by whatever means, then we need to take away their cushy cushy lifelong benefits. I wont hold my breath.

Mom , Pay tention ;)

[OU_Sooners75]

You lost me right ****ing there

Bro when I was a youngster in highschool an got in a fight . I fought to WIN
Not to just subdue ya, But to kisck yerass

" Exit Strategy" is for Pusssies
get in Get the the JOB done then get out not before :rolleyes:


Yeah, but you got into trouble for not having an exit strategy...LOL

[olevetonahill]

I've stated it innumerable times on this board. BHO is the worst president since Carter, and quite possibly the worst president in the history of presidents. Time will eventually tell.

That being said, what really embarrasses the hell out of me is the guys like Tuba/Nate/Cruiser/RLIMC/etc. - all guys who I'm sure I am at least 95% in agreement with on most things political - acting EXACTLY like the liberal flocktards they bitched about while GWB was in. It's the EXACT SAME BEHAVIOR. You guys are making the rest of us look bad.

Here's the deal. Rise above it. Just because they are cockgobblers is not an excuse for being one yourself. I'm so sick of the bull**** rhetoric from both sides, and it's obvious that nobody on the left is going to extend a hand. Let's be the ones who take the high road. The gutter is chock full of dumbasses. Why wallow in all that filth?

And Once again Dean steals the Show
Good jorb :cool:

[olevetonahill]

Yeah, but you go into trouble for not having an exit strategy...LOL

Bro. " REVERSE" got stripped out of My transmission years ago
No i dont understand that Thot at all
I go into TROUBLE, I aint backin up till thatass is whooped
Jes sayin

[OU_Sooners75]

Bro. " REVERSE" got stripped out of My transmission years ago
No i dont understand that Thot at all
I go into TROUBLE, I aint backin up till thatass is whooped
Jes sayin


Ain't saying you backed down...Saying you got into trouble afterward because you beat'em up!

:texan:

[olevetonahill]

Ain't saying you backed down...Saying you got into trouble afterward because you beat'em up!

:texan:

Naw, werent no living witnesses :eek:

[okie52]

You lost me right ****ing there

Bro when I was a youngster in highschool an got in a fight . I fought to WIN
Not to just subdue ya, But to kisck yerass

" Exit Strategy" is for Pusssies
get in Get the the JOB done then get out not before :rolleyes:

Well we kicked Germany's azz and we are still there. We kicked Japan's azz and we are still there. Korea...still there. Afghanistan....ten years later still there. Iraq, still there.

You could obliterate Afghanistan and leave. Don't have to rebuild the nation, just level it. That's an exit strategy. Hanging around to be a nation builder just costs us lives and dollars. To me that is just being a dumbazz.

[OklahomaTuba]

Before Obama:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8BtrdyyWRaw/TK8gXGaab5I/AAAAAAAAAUs/FX53Eb7RRqg/s1600/utopia.jpg

After Obama:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B6yyls5-yvg/Skn3-69Dk7I/AAAAAAAAAEY/-mJ8XuOJQow/s400/post-apocalyptic-street.jpg
Is that supposed to be Libya???

I can't wait to see the COOTUS's 2012 logo. A round "O" with a dove dropping bombs on brown people.

[yermom]

ok, so spreading democracy to Iraq is good, but Libya is bad?

[OklahomaTuba]

Well **** Tuba , cant you grow the **** up?
Ill bet you said the same dayum thing about Ike :rolleyes:Nah, Ike at least commanded and earned respect on battlefield.

The empty suit that goes around playing golf and vacationing overseas while sending our military into harms way & running the country into a ditch? Not so much.

[yermom]

i thought you liked W?

[OklahomaTuba]

ok, so spreading democracy to Iraq is good, but Libya is bad?That's not my beef.

Bush made a case for war to the American people, got Congressional authorization for that war, and also, just as a bonus, secured a fresh demand from the UN demanding a tyrant comply with previous UN resolutions. He also built up a large coalition to do so.

The Golfer-n-Chief has barely spoken on this issue, has not made a case for war, did NOT secure a Congressional authorization, has a small and now faltering coalition and relies solely upon a UN authorization as his legal pretext for making war.

[OklahomaTuba]

i thought you liked W?
Bush had enough sense to stop playing golf while we were at war.

[yermom]

he didn't play golf after 9/11?

[sappstuf]

Bush had enough sense to stop playing golf while we were at war.

Keep up Tuba... Obama has moved on to soccer.

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/o-soccer-lg.jpg

[Jammin']

he didn't play golf after 9/11?

He cut down trees with a chainsaw, not a nine iron. And he did it more than any other president of record, including BHO. But I digress...

[OklahomaTuba]

Sad but true..
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/libya.jpg

[JohnnyMack]

That's not my beef.

Bush made a case for war to the American people, got Congressional authorization for that war, and also, just as a bonus, secured a fresh demand from the UN demanding a tyrant comply with previous UN resolutions. He also built up a large coalition to do so.

The Golfer-n-Chief has barely spoken on this issue, has not made a case for war, did NOT secure a Congressional authorization, has a small and now faltering coalition and relies solely upon a UN authorization as his legal pretext for making war.

So as long as your leaders are lying about things you're cool with it? Because the case for Iraq was a joke. Even though at the time you were screeching like a howler monkey about yellowcake uranium and Niger and all sorts of other bait that W sprayed all over the airwaves so that lemmings like you would lap it up, slap an American flag on your SUV and sing some Lee Greenwood.

[C&CDean]

So as long as your leaders are lying about things you're cool with it? Because the case for Iraq was a joke. Even though at the time you were screeching like a howler monkey about yellowcake uranium and Niger and all sorts of other bait that W sprayed all over the airwaves so that lemmings like you would lap it up, slap an American flag on your SUV and sing some Lee Greenwood.

Dude, c'mon, all the intelligence at that time pointed towards WMD - in fact so much so that Congress (including Hillary and Co) were on board with it. Not fair.

That being said, when all a guy does is go "goober-in-chief" ad nauseum any point he attempts to make is drowned out by his ****ing ignorance.

I'm dead serious Tuba. I'm getting damned close to banning you simpletons who can't post anything but caustic political crap. WE ****ING GET IT. Obama is a POS. We agree (at least anybody with half a brain does). Screaming it in every post is tiresome. You need to quit, and so do your 3-4 butt buddies who can't seem to post anything but Obama-hate with every word. WE. GET. IT.

[The Profit]

Yea those here that know me remember how I freaked the **** out when slick willy sent our troops into Bosnia and said NONE of our Forces would ne there till after Christmas in 95

That lying scumbag Draft dodgin MoFo
My SON was there 2 weeks before Christmas and I dint know it till 3 weeks after
**** the slickster

Oh and YES GW had the approval of Billary and John Kerry and all the others
Then they backpeddeled
:rolleyes:




Actually, Hillary never back peddled. More than any other thing, this probably caused her to lose the nomination and ultimately the presidency.

[C&CDean]

Actually, Hillary never back peddled. More than any other thing, this probably caused her to lose the nomination and ultimately the presidency.

She's a chick. Their leg muscles won't allow for back-peddling.

[JohnnyMack]

Dude, c'mon, all the intelligence at that time pointed towards WMD - in fact so much so that Congress (including Hillary and Co) were on board with it. Not fair.

That being said, when all a guy does is go "goober-in-chief" ad nauseum any point he attempts to make is drowned out by his ****ing ignorance.

I'm dead serious Tuba. I'm getting damned close to banning you simpletons who can't post anything but caustic political crap. WE ****ING GET IT. Obama is a POS. We agree (at least anybody with half a brain does). Screaming it in every post is tiresome. You need to quit, and so do your 3-4 butt buddies who can't seem to post anything but Obama-hate with every word. WE. GET. IT.

That gave me a boner.

[soonerscuba]

Keep up Tuba... Obama has moved on to soccer.

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/o-soccer-lg.jpgMaybe all those people calling him a socialist are actually on to something.

[C&CDean]

That gave me a boner.

Rhino flatulence gives you a boner too.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Mongo eases his boner

[OklahomaTuba]

Dude, c'mon, all the intelligence at that time pointed towards WMD - in fact so much so that Congress (including Hillary and Co) were on board with it. Not fair.

That being said, when all a guy does is go "goober-in-chief" ad nauseum any point he attempts to make is drowned out by his ****ing ignorance.

I'm dead serious Tuba. I'm getting damned close to banning you simpletons who can't post anything but caustic political crap. WE ****ING GET IT. Obama is a POS. We agree (at least anybody with half a brain does). Screaming it in every post is tiresome. You need to quit, and so do your 3-4 butt buddies who can't seem to post anything but Obama-hate with every word. WE. GET. IT.Is Sir Bows-a-lot ok then? That's my personal fav at the moment. :D

[olevetonahill]

This thread was to Back the **** off
Dayum Im sick of the Obama bashin Im sick of the GW bashin
Hell Ill even fall in love with Ole slick willie if it will get Yall to STFU about whos at fault

Can we agree we AMERICAN , then to a More important stance we SOONERS:cool:

[The Profit]

This thread was to Back the **** off
Dayum Im sick of the Obama bashin Im sick of the GW bashin
Hell Ill even fall in love with Ole slick willie if it will get Yall to STFU about whos at fault

Can we agree we AMERICAN , then to a More important stance we SOONERS:cool:





Great post!!!

[olevetonahill]

Great post!!!

I do get my **** together every now an then ;)

[StoopTroup]

.

[cccasooner2]

Dude, c'mon, all the intelligence at that time pointed towards WMD - in fact so much so that Congress (including Hillary and Co) were on board with it. Not fair.


Probably off topic, but did they ever fire any of these incompetent liars or were they promoted to eventually wind up as expert military analysts for CNN? Or was Congess (including Hillary and Co) doing an about face so they could continue their roles as career protectors of the free world (see olvet thread on term limits)?

[The Profit]

Probably off topic, but did they ever fire any of these incompetent liars or were they promoted to eventually wind up as expert military analysts for CNN? Or was Congess (including Hillary and Co) doing an about face so they could continue their roles as career protectors of the free world (see olvet thread on term limits)?




Again, Hillary did not do an about-face. She stood behind her decision to support the ridiculous invasion of Iraq.

[cccasooner2]

Again, Hillary did not do an about-face. She stood behind her decision to support the ridiculous invasion of Iraq.

Thanks, my bad.

[C&CDean]

Well, all things considered, invading Iraq wasn't all that ridiculous. Of course to people with myopic foresight, and 20-20 hindsight I guess you could say that, but to most humans, putting Usay, Uday, Hearsay, and ****say Hussein outta business was a righteous dealio. Now, if we could put oblama hussein outta business...no, bad Dean, you didn't say that.

[OUthunder]

Dayum This country has survived a shat load of Idjits in the White house .
WE gonna survive Obama , we survived GW we survived slick willie and Carter and any other idiot Ya want to name

WE gonna survive , Dont Yall get tired of all the bashin? Ya want to fix this shat? Lets get ALL of em in Washington to only be able to serve 2 years TOTAL

Then go home, It aint the POTUS , Its the ****in Lobbyist that buys em and the Long term Pols that sell out to em

Send those doosh bags Packin
Make servin in DC like the Draft. Ya Have to go for 2 years. Ya get a Minimum salary. Then ya get to go home and back to work
Rant over ;)

I went to give you green for this post. However, it wouldn't let me, and I haven't dished out any spek in a few days either.

WTF???

[SoonerNate]

We may be Sooners but Obama isn't an American.

[okie52]

Again, Hillary did not do an about-face. She stood behind her decision to support the ridiculous invasion of Iraq.

So are you feeling good about this war?

[SoonerNate]

Any of you libs that badmouthed the Iraq war better bad mouth this one as well. Be consistent and not just Kool Aid tokers.

[ouwasp]

:mad:

Just saw a tv ad from some group called Citizens Against Gov't Waste... it features a smirking commie Chinese host lecturing an auditorium of young Reds, reminding them of why great societies of the past have fallen; Rome, the Brits, the USA... Commie remarked how the US tried to tax and spend themselves out of a big recession, but how China owned all of their debt..."Now they work for us..." The young Reds laugh on cue. :mad:

I teach American History, am a patriot, and also agree we have overcome all dumbazz presidents of the past. I'm also of the opinion that presidents get too much credit or blame, whatever the case may be.

But one of these days the bill is gonna come due...

Cue Red Laughter :eek:

[Turd_Ferguson]

.:confused:


:D

[CrimsonJim]

..

[jkjsooner]

That's not my beef.

Bush made a case for war to the American people, got Congressional authorization for that war, and also, just as a bonus, secured a fresh demand from the UN demanding a tyrant comply with previous UN resolutions. He also built up a large coalition to do so.

The Golfer-n-Chief has barely spoken on this issue, has not made a case for war, did NOT secure a Congressional authorization, has a small and now faltering coalition and relies solely upon a UN authorization as his legal pretext for making war.

Did Reagan secure authorization before bombing Libya?

[jkjsooner]

Any of you libs that badmouthed the Iraq war better bad mouth this one as well. Be consistent and not just Kool Aid tokers.

For now they're totally different ballgames. This is more like our various strikes and the institution of a no-fly zone on Iraq between Gulf Wars.

If we commit ground troops then I'll jump in and criticize.

Personally, I don't think it's in our best interest and we really don't need to spread out military out any thinner than they are now but up to this point we haven't committed ground troops nor have our leaders used fabricated data that the CIA itself refuted to drum up support for this action.

[Veritas]

That being said, what really embarrasses the hell out of me is the guys like Tuba/Nate/Cruiser/RLIMC/etc. - all guys who I'm sure I am at least 95% in agreement with on most things political - acting EXACTLY like the liberal flocktards they bitched about while GWB was in. It's the EXACT SAME BEHAVIOR. You guys are making the rest of us look bad.
Bingo.

The political trolling is getting really ****ing old. Tuba and RLIMC have been around forever and they're got the one-note diphole market sewn up. There isn't room for more.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

heh..diphole

[sappstuf]

Did Reagan secure authorization before bombing Libya?

He didn't need it. Libya was behind a bombing at a disco that killed 2 US Soldiers and wounded 250 others. So Reagan attacked them. No one disputs that the President can do that when we have been attacked. That is one reason the office of the President exists.

[okie52]

Some people are just He11bent on giving Obama a pass on this regardless of the circumstances.

[C&CDean]

Some people are just He11bent on giving Obama a pass on this regardless of the circumstances.

Why do you keep it up? Nobody is giving anybody "a pass." All we are saying is stop acting/sounding like the whiney little donks did when GWB was in. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Be better than them.

You don't have to say "Obama is the debbil" in every single post. You don't have to start inflammatory threads about liberal wrongdoings. It's ****ing lame, stupid, and weak. That's our only point. Give it a rest. Vote the nimrod out in 2012. In the meantime, stop whining like a bitch about it.

[okie52]

Why do you keep it up? Nobody is giving anybody "a pass." All we are saying is stop acting/sounding like the whiney little donks did when GWB was in. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Be better than them.

You don't have to say "Obama is the debbil" in every single post. You don't have to start inflammatory threads about liberal wrongdoings. It's ****ing lame, stupid, and weak. That's our only point. Give it a rest. Vote the nimrod out in 2012. In the meantime, stop whining like a bitch about it.

I'll "bitch" about Obama's policies and usually won't resort to calling him the Devil although he is the anti-christ to energy. I do try to keep it factual and not just he's bad because he is a dem or good because a guy's a repub.

You use a broad brush when you paint. Try keeping it a little more defined.

[tcrb]

Just a random observation here.....This thread appears to have developed two distinctly different themes.

[C&CDean]

I'll "bitch" about Obama's policies and usually won't resort to calling him the Devil although he is the anti-christ to energy. I do try to keep it factual and not just he's bad because he is a dem or good because a guy's a repub.

You use a broad brush when you paint. Try keeping it a little more defined.

He's a lot of things, not many of them good. We know. We get it. Comprende. No **** Sherlock. Why continue to bash? Take the high road. Otherwise, you're gutter scum just like the folks you're bashing/emulating/imitating. You know, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...

[C&CDean]

Just a random observation here.....This thread appears to have developed two distinctly different themes.

It has? Well we haven't talked about what we're having for lunch today, so there's hope.

[JohnnyMack]

It has? Well we haven't talked about what we're having for lunch today, so there's hope.

Well, since you asked, I'm going to Gemma's.

[C&CDean]

Well, since you asked, I'm going to Gemma's.

Never heard of it.

I'm going to the gut wagon and getting a couple half-smokes, one with chili, cheese, and yellow mustard, and one with brown mustard and saurkraut. A bag of jalapeno chips, and a bottle of water. All for $5.

[The Profit]

He's a lot of things, not many of them good. We know. We get it. Comprende. No **** Sherlock. Why continue to bash? Take the high road. Otherwise, you're gutter scum just like the folks you're bashing/emulating/imitating. You know, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...



You have stated your opinion about our president many times. Actually, I like your approach. It is the same one that Shakespeare prepared for Marc Antony in Julius Caesar. With one breath, you ask for civility and with the next breath you dog the president. Its certainly clever, although not necessarily new.

I tend to do the same thing when talking about bush jr, gingrich, huck, or the c..t from Alaska.

[The Profit]

Well, since you asked, I'm going to Gemma's.




What is Gemma's?

[okie52]

He's a lot of things, not many of them good. We know. We get it. Comprende. No **** Sherlock. Why continue to bash? Take the high road. Otherwise, you're gutter scum just like the folks you're bashing/emulating/imitating. You know, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...

Well great we agree that Obama isn't perfect. And any continued debate about his policies relegates someone to gutter scum. Brilliant.


The high road is to not discuss Obama or maybe even politics? Seems like a boring way to run an off topic board.

[C&CDean]

You have stated your opinion about our president many times. Actually, I like your approach. It is the same one that Shakespeare prepared for Marc Antony in Julius Caesar. With one breath, you ask for civility and with the next breath you dog the president. Its certainly clever, although not necessarily new.

I tend to do the same thing when talking about bush jr, gingrich, huck, or the c..t from Alaska.

The c..t from Alaska would pwn you in Scrabble.

[JohnnyMack]

Never heard of it.

I'm going to the gut wagon and getting a couple half-smokes, one with chili, cheese, and yellow mustard, and one with brown mustard and saurkraut. A bag of jalapeno chips, and a bottle of water. All for $5.

I'm totally into this place in Tulsa called Siegi's.

http://www.siegis.com/

Great German food and a kickass meat market.

[C&CDean]

Well great we agree that Obama isn't perfect. And any continued debate about his policies relegates someone to gutter scum. Brilliant.


The high road is to not discuss Obama or maybe even politics? Seems like a boring way to run an off topic board.

Glad you have an opinion. Problem is you don't read very well.

Nobody said "don't discuss politics." I said "quit posting inflammatory crap that is only meant to get a rise out of the people on the other side." It's not "continued debate." It's rabble-rousing gutter games. There's a ton of websites where you can sit and circle jerk with a bunch of other haters. And what does that accomplish? That's what I thought. Quit. Being. Just. Like. Them.

[tcrb]

It has? Well we haven't talked about what we're having for lunch today, so there's hope.

I might be wrong...maybe it's still just one theme. But I see some posters that are discussing the Libya/Obama/Reagan/Congress/F'ed up political ****, and then there's another group of posters that's telling that group to stfu, we're tired of hearing it. :D

I'm enjoying the view from the p-nut gallery, :pop: and btw, I'm going to the BBQ place down the road....peach cobbler for desert on Wednesdays. :cool:

[C&CDean]

I'm totally into this place in Tulsa called Siegi's.

http://www.siegis.com/

Great German food and a kickass meat market.

But wtf is Gemma's? Answer the dang question son.

[C&CDean]

peach cobbler...yum

[The Profit]

The c..t from Alaska would pwn you in Scrabble.




I really agree with many of the things you say, but I definitely disagree with that statement.

[C&CDean]

I really agree with many of the things you say, but I definitely disagree with that statement.

To your knees...

[The Profit]

peach cobbler...yum




Going to Meers tomorrow on the way to Cache. I will have the peach cobbler with my Meersburger.

[olevetonahill]

It has? Well we haven't talked about what we're having for lunch today, so there's hope.

Nor Poop or Ghey sex or has STEP an JM been in here ?

[Turd_Ferguson]

I'm gonna swing by Braums and have me one of those hotdog/burger things...

[okie52]

Glad you have an opinion. Problem is you don't read very well.

Nobody said "don't discuss politics." I said "quit posting inflammatory crap that is only meant to get a rise out of the people on the other side." It's not "continued debate." It's rabble-rousing gutter games. There's a ton of websites where you can sit and circle jerk with a bunch of other haters. And what does that accomplish? That's what I thought. Quit. Being. Just. Like. Them.

Well glad you have an opinion too. Giving Obama "a pass" is rabble rousing?
Pretty mild ***t for a board. Sheet, it pales to a lot of the crap I've seen you post, of course, I assume you might mean some of it as humor.

And I want to hear from the other side which thinks attacking Libya was the right thing to do. And there will be dems and repubs on both sides of this issue so it is not just some blanket they bad, we good that you seem to believe. And there are people that found Iraq detestable but this venture acceptable.

If you are tired of the Obama "bashing" why don't you just close this thread or any others that have strayed beyond your tolerance?

[JohnnyMack]

But wtf is Gemma's? Answer the dang question son.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/article.aspx?subjectid=274&articleid=20110209_39_D3_CUTLIN982833

[yermom]

i guess i know where i'm going the next time i'm in Tulsa

[The Profit]

Well glad you have an opinion too. Giving Obama "a pass" is rabble rousing?
Pretty mild ***t for a board. Sheet, it pales to a lot of the crap I've seen you post, of course, I assume you might mean some of it as humor.

And I want to hear from the other side which thinks attacking Libya was the right thing to do. And there will be dems and repubs on both sides of this issue so it is not just some blanket they bad, we good that you seem to believe. And there are people that found Iraq detestable but this venture acceptable.

If you are tired of the Obama "bashing" why don't you just close this thread or any others that have strayed beyond your tolerance?




I am really ambivalent as to the Libya thing. I see it more as a way to placate the appetites of the military industrial complex than anything else. Now that we have launched a couple of hundred Cruse Missiles, we can make a couple of hundred more to take their place.

Its not like we are sending in ground troops. We should have killed Ghadafi (sic) after the Pan Am bombing, so if we kill him now it will be no big deal. Like Kosovo, if we can make it through this without a single American life lost, I see no problem with it. It is nothing like Iraq, where we invaded a sovereign nation with ground troops with no real reason.

At the end of the day, if the Middle East can be transformed with a new younger generation of leaders, maybe we will all be better off for the future. Of course, there will be those, who sit around and worry that this new generation will be worse than the last generation, but I doubt that. I heard the same kind of crap after we high-tailed it out of Vietnam, and look what has happened there.

[The Profit]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/article.aspx?subjectid=274&articleid=20110209_39_D3_CUTLIN982833




It looks good. My problem is that when I go to Tulsa, I always want to go to White River for fish, and I am only usually there for lunch or for dinner. I will have to plan a longer stay so I can have my White River and still find time for Gemma's.

[Breadburner]

I'm gonna swing by Braums and have me one of those hotdog/burger things...

Them are good....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jkjsooner]

Probably off topic, but did they ever fire any of these incompetent liars or were they promoted to eventually wind up as expert military analysts for CNN? Or was Congess (including Hillary and Co) doing an about face so they could continue their roles as career protectors of the free world (see olvet thread on term limits)?

Who would you fire? The CIA's job is to present the intelligence that they had. They presented both sides and many in the CIA seriously questioned the parts that turned out to be fabricated. (Not to mention foreign governments were also warning the administration that the information that they're relying on isn't reliable.) The administration simply chose to silence anyone within the CIA who wouldn't state what they wanted to hear. Plenty of ex-CIA workers have stated this.

As for Congress's approval, most of them are not privy to all of the intelligence data. Just like you and I, they were relying on the President to present a truthful depiction of what he was getting from the CIA.

Just as my opinion on the war turned when I found out just how much the administration had misled us, I would also assert that it is not at all hypocritical for a member of congress to change their mind once finding out they had been misled.

[sappstuf]

I am really ambivalent as to the Libya thing. I see it more as a way to placate the appetites of the military industrial complex than anything else. Now that we have launched a couple of hundred Cruse Missiles, we can make a couple of hundred more to take their place.

Its not like we are sending in ground troops. We should have killed Ghadafi (sic) after the Pan Am bombing, so if we kill him now it will be no big deal. Like Kosovo, if we can make it through this without a single American life lost, I see no problem with it. It is nothing like Iraq, where we invaded a sovereign nation with ground troops with no real reason.

At the end of the day, if the Middle East can be transformed with a new younger generation of leaders, maybe we will all be better off for the future. Of course, there will be those, who sit around and worry that this new generation will be worse than the last generation, but I doubt that. I heard the same kind of crap after we high-tailed it out of Vietnam, and look what has happened there.


Then you have a problem with it...


According to CNN, the crash happened 45 miles (72 km) northeast of Tirana. The two American pilots of the helicopter, Army Chief Warrant Officers David Gibbs and Kevin L. Reichert, died in that crash.

Clinton seems to be given a pass on bad info that was given about Kosovo.. Several time he and his administration said that over 100K people were missing and that was the main justification of the invasion. It turns out that only about 13K died during the entire duration and that included the ones we killed during the bombing.

It's strange how certain Presidents seem to be held to a higher standard than others when it comes to pre-war intelligence....

[jkjsooner]

It's strange how certain Presidents seem to be held to a higher standard than others when it comes to pre-war intelligence....

I don't know the details of the Clinton case but if the intelligence was just bad that is one thing. Did the Clinton administration do the following:


Ignore those within the CIA who were providing counter information.
Ignore allies who were also questioning the reliability of the people providing intelligence.


If so, then they deserve all of the criticism we can give them.

I don't mind that the intelligence was wrong on Iraq. I do mind that the information presented to us does not in any way reflect what the CIA was reporting to the administration.

[tcrb]

It's strange how certain Presidents seem to be held to a higher standard than others when it comes to pre-war intelligence....

This **** has been going on forever. The dems consider any of their guys blameless and pure as the driven snow, and they scream bloody murder when a Republican President does something questionable. And in all fairness the pubs do the same.

[okie52]

I am really ambivalent as to the Libya thing. I see it more as a way to placate the appetites of the military industrial complex than anything else. Now that we have launched a couple of hundred Cruse Missiles, we can make a couple of hundred more to take their place.

Its not like we are sending in ground troops. We should have killed Ghadafi (sic) after the Pan Am bombing, so if we kill him now it will be no big deal. Like Kosovo, if we can make it through this without a single American life lost, I see no problem with it. It is nothing like Iraq, where we invaded a sovereign nation with ground troops with no real reason.

At the end of the day, if the Middle East can be transformed with a new younger generation of leaders, maybe we will all be better off for the future. Of course, there will be those, who sit around and worry that this new generation will be worse than the last generation, but I doubt that. I heard the same kind of crap after we high-tailed it out of Vietnam, and look what has happened there.

I am not sure we aren't placating France and possibly the Brits more than our own military complex. The Brits we kind of owe it to since they have followed us just about everywhere....the French:eek:

But a 3rd War from a president that decried our entry into Iraq and fighting 2 wars at once seems to have reached the height of insanity/hypocrisy. Whereas some found our reasoning for invading Iraq deplorable or unsound, at least we were already in Iraq and Saddam had numerous UN violations to warrant his removal. Not that I would suggest doing it again but hindsight is 20/20. I can't see where Ghadafi posed that kind of threat.

Really what I am railing against is the continued policy of US intervention. Seems like we just can't sit back and worry about our own country and remove ourselves from foreign military entanglements. Doesn't seem to matter who the prez is we will be involved in a war while China, Russia, Germany, France, etc.. usually remain on the sidelines.

[okie52]

I don't know the details of the Clinton case but if the intelligence was just bad that is one thing. Did the Clinton administration do the following:


Ignore those within the CIA who were providing counter information.
Ignore allies who were also questioning the reliability of the people providing intelligence.


If so, then they deserve all of the criticism we can give them.

I don't mind that the intelligence was wrong on Iraq. I do mind that the information presented to us does not in any way reflect what the CIA was reporting to the administration.

How about making no case at all?

[tcrb]

I don't know the details of the Clinton case but if the intelligence was just bad that is one thing. Did the Clinton administration do the following:


Ignore those within the CIA who were providing counter information.
Ignore allies who were also questioning the reliability of the people providing intelligence.


If so, then they deserve all of the criticism we can give them.

I don't mind that the intelligence was wrong on Iraq. I do mind that the information presented to us does not in any way reflect what the CIA was reporting to the administration.

In reality, we really dont know what W was being told or who was telling it or how it was presented. All we have is a bunch of hind-sight accusations that have been twisted and mis-construed in order to fit in someone's agenda. As a member of the American populace, you cant believe anything coming from either side at face value....they all have their agendas and they spin the story to attempt to advance that agenda.

[The Profit]

I am not sure we aren't placating France and possibly the Brits more than our own military complex. The Brits we kind of owe it to since they have followed us just about everywhere....the French:eek:

But a 3rd War from a president that decried our entry into Iraq and fighting 2 wars at once seems to have reached the height of insanity/hypocrisy. Whereas some found our reasoning for invading Iraq deplorable or unsound, at least we were already in Iraq and Saddam had numerous UN violations to warrant his removal. Not that I would suggest doing it again but hindsight is 20/20. I can't see where Ghadafi posed that kind of threat.

Really what I am railing against is the continued policy of US intervention. Seems like we just can't sit back and worry about our own country and remove ourselves from foreign military entanglements. Doesn't seem to matter who the prez is we will be involved in a war while China, Russia, Germany, France, etc.. usually remain on the sidelines.




You are overreacting. This is not a 3rd war. It is a no-fly zone.

[OU_Sooners75]

Well glad you have an opinion too. Giving Obama "a pass" is rabble rousing?
Pretty mild ***t for a board. Sheet, it pales to a lot of the crap I've seen you post, of course, I assume you might mean some of it as humor.

And I want to hear from the other side which thinks attacking Libya was the right thing to do. And there will be dems and repubs on both sides of this issue so it is not just some blanket they bad, we good that you seem to believe. And there are people that found Iraq detestable but this venture acceptable.

If you are tired of the Obama "bashing" why don't you just close this thread or any others that have strayed beyond your tolerance?


Then join on one of the thousand threads that have been made about the issue.

[okie52]

You are overreacting. This is not a 3rd war. It is a no-fly zone.

We have our military engaged over foreign soil. We are taking out tanks which I don't believe are capable of flying.

[The Profit]

I am not sure we aren't placating France and possibly the Brits more than our own military complex. The Brits we kind of owe it to since they have followed us just about everywhere....the French:eek:

But a 3rd War from a president that decried our entry into Iraq and fighting 2 wars at once seems to have reached the height of insanity/hypocrisy. Whereas some found our reasoning for invading Iraq deplorable or unsound, at least we were already in Iraq and Saddam had numerous UN violations to warrant his removal. Not that I would suggest doing it again but hindsight is 20/20. I can't see where Ghadafi posed that kind of threat.

Really what I am railing against is the continued policy of US intervention. Seems like we just can't sit back and worry about our own country and remove ourselves from foreign military entanglements. Doesn't seem to matter who the prez is we will be involved in a war while China, Russia, Germany, France, etc.. usually remain on the sidelines.




Okie, it is always about the money. Don't be naive.

[sappstuf]

We have our military engaged over foreign soil. We are taking out tanks which I don't believe are capable of flying.

The CIA just published this photo.. ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/AntonovA40.jpg

[okie52]

Okie, it is always about the money. Don't be naive.

Sure it is. But I think the French are wagging this dog. From what I've heard they were ready to go ahead without us. We should have let them.

[okie52]

The CIA just published this photo.. ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/AntonovA40.jpg

:D

I knew I could count on you.;)

[The Profit]

Sure it is. But I think the French are wagging this dog. From what I've heard they were ready to go ahead without us. We should have let them.




If we would have let the French go it alone, the manufacturer of the Cruse Missiles would have been out a few hundred million dollars. That isn't the way it works.

[sappstuf]

The President spoke yesterday and he confirmed he has an exit strategy..


The exit strategy will be executed this week,” President Obama said, “in the sense that we will be pulling back from our much more active efforts to shape the environment. We will still be in a support role. We will be supplying jamming, intelligence and other assets unique to us.”

Hmmm

Planes in the air.. Check
Ships in the Med.. Check
Supplying intelliegence.. Check
Providing "assets unique to us"... Check.

Yep.. We are pulling out!

[okie52]

If we would have let the French go it alone, the manufacturer of the Cruse Missiles would have been out a few hundred million dollars. That isn't the way it works.

Well Obama doesn't get a pass for that. Its still his call.

[okie52]

The President spoke yesterday and he confirmed he has an exit strategy..



Hmmm

Planes in the air.. Check
Ships in the Med.. Check
Supplying intelliegence.. Check
Providing "assets unique to us"... Check.

Yep.. We are pulling out!

It's strictly a humanitarian mission.

[The Profit]

Well Obama doesn't get a pass for that. Its still his call.




Presidents don't say no to the military industrial complex, although Kennedy tried to.

[okie52]

Presidents don't say no to the military industrial complex, although Kennedy tried to.

Then, by those standards, none have any accountability for our "wars", etc...

[The Profit]

Then, by those standards, none have any accountability for our "wars", etc...




During the last 55 or so years, I think you are right. There is some discretion as to how a war will be fought (e.g. land war, air war, naval engagement, etc.), but as long as there is this monster (military industrial complex) it will have to be fed. This is why I would like to take the companies that make up the Military Industrial Complex (GE, Grumman, Martin Marietta, etc., etc.) and give them the same money to build real national infrastructure.

[Soonerwake]

Dayum This country has survived a shat load of Idjits in the White house .
WE gonna survive Obama , we survived GW we survived slick willie and Carter and any other idiot Ya want to name

WE gonna survive , Dont Yall get tired of all the bashin? Ya want to fix this shat? Lets get ALL of em in Washington to only be able to serve 2 years TOTAL

Then go home, It aint the POTUS , Its the ****in Lobbyist that buys em and the Long term Pols that sell out to em

Send those doosh bags Packin
Make servin in DC like the Draft. Ya Have to go for 2 years. Ya get a Minimum salary. Then ya get to go home and back to work
Rant over ;)

Lobbyists aren't going home just because politicians can serve only 2 years, or 4, or so on... In fact, lobbyists gain more power that way. Legislators come in green, don't know anything about anything, and it's generally the lobbysists who they turn to for guidance. You ought to spend some time at our state capitol. Since term limits, things are changing quickly...

[olevetonahill]

Lobbyists aren't going home just because politicians can serve only 2 years, or 4, or so on... In fact, lobbyists gain more power that way. Legislators come in green, don't know anything about anything, and it's generally the lobbysists who they turn to for guidance. You ought to spend some time at our state capitol. Since term limits, things are changing quickly...

Like I said "Send the Dooshbags packin ";)

[OklahomaTuba]

This is why I would like to take the companies that make up the Military Industrial Complex (GE, Grumman, Martin Marietta, etc., etc.) and give them the same money to build real national infrastructure.

Yes, that's what we need, more bailouts!!!!!

Brilliant!

[sappstuf]

During the last 55 or so years, I think you are right. There is some discretion as to how a war will be fought (e.g. land war, air war, naval engagement, etc.), but as long as there is this monster (military industrial complex) it will have to be fed. This is why I would like to take the companies that make up the Military Industrial Complex (GE, Grumman, Martin Marietta, etc., etc.) and give them the same money to build real national infrastructure.

Please don't mention high speed rail... Please don't mention high speed rail...

[okie52]

During the last 55 or so years, I think you are right. There is some discretion as to how a war will be fought (e.g. land war, air war, naval engagement, etc.), but as long as there is this monster (military industrial complex) it will have to be fed. This is why I would like to take the companies that make up the Military Industrial Complex (GE, Grumman, Martin Marietta, etc., etc.) and give them the same money to build real national infrastructure.

Succumbing to blackmail?

Regrettably any discussion of reducing the size of our military will be met with fierce opposition even when our economy and logic dictate it.

But we have had BRAC so some movement in that direction is not impossible.

[okie52]

Please don't mention high speed rail... Please don't mention high speed rail...

:D

I am all for high speed rail where practical....but those places seem few and far between.

[The Profit]

Please don't mention high speed rail... Please don't mention high speed rail...



Why not? It makes perfect sense for much of the nation. But HSR is just a start. America's infrastructure finds itself in pitiful shape, while American weapons manufactures have robbed the national treasury. We need better highways (our interstate system sucks), new bridges, a new electric grid, etc.

[The Profit]

:D

I am all for high speed rail where practical....but those places seem few and far between.




Downtown OKC to Downtown Dallas---------1 hour
Downtown OKC to Downtown KC------------1 hour
Downtown OKC to Downtown St. Louis------2 hours
Downtown OKC to Downtown Denver--------2 hours
Downtown St. Louis to Downtown Chicago--1.5 hours
Downtown Chicago to Downtown NYC------2.5 hours

Sure, there are places where it wouldn't make sense, but there are many more places where it makes perfect sense. What really does not make sense is limiting long distance travel to only one form of transportation (air).

[JohnnyMack]

We need better highways (our interstate system sucks), new bridges, a new electric grid, etc.

I still contend that this is where Obama really screwed up. I think he should have gotten more shovel ready projects together, taken photos with a hard hat on at said project and tried to show he was serious about getting people back to work and lowering unemployment.

[The Profit]

Succumbing to blackmail?

Regrettably any discussion of reducing the size of our military will be met with fierce opposition even when our economy and logic dictate it.

But we have had BRAC so some movement in that direction is not impossible.




BRAC deals only with the closure of bases and forts, and has nothing to do with limiting the amount of expenditure on weaponry. Two very different things.

[pphilfran]

BRAC caused a building boom in Lawton...the city has had to upgrade water and sewer service the the west side of town...

Sill has so many new training complexes and housing it boggles the mind....and they are STILL building...

[The Profit]

BRAC caused a building boom in Lawton...the city has had to upgrade water and sewer service the the west side of town...

Sill has so many new training complexes and housing it boggles the mind....and they are STILL building...



We need about 3 more BRAC sessions...

[pphilfran]

We need about 3 more BRAC sessions...

At least...overseas...

[pphilfran]

How many AF bases do we need in Ok?

Enid and Altus would probably dry up and blow away without their bases...

[The Profit]

How many AF bases do we need in Ok?

Enid and Altus would probably dry up and blow away without their bases...




So be it. Do we really need to keep posts and bases open because the surrounding community will be adversely affected by closing them?

[C&CDean]

Why do you hate people who aren't starving?

[sappstuf]

Why not? It makes perfect sense for much of the nation. But HSR is just a start. America's infrastructure finds itself in pitiful shape, while American weapons manufactures have robbed the national treasury. We need better highways (our interstate system sucks), new bridges, a new electric grid, etc.

To start with, look at the population density differences between Tokyo and OKC and Osaka vs Kansas City you will begin to understand why it is far from making "perfect sense". Not enough potential riders. Not even close.

Besides that there are only two HSR lines in the world that break even financially.

Tokyo to Osaka and Paris to Lyon.

The other 98% of HSR lines in the world lose money and have to be subsidized by their governments to keep them running.

You would think if something made "perfect sense" it could make a profit wouldn't you?

[pphilfran]

So be it. Do we really need to keep posts and bases open because the surrounding community will be adversely affected by closing them?

I agree...they would be gone...

[The Profit]

To start with, look at the population density differences between Tokyo and OKC and Osaka vs Kansas City you will begin to understand why it is far from making "perfect sense". Not enough potential riders. Not even close.

Besides that there are only two HSR lines in the world that break even financially.

Tokyo to Osaka and Paris to Lyon.

The other 98% of HSR lines in the world lose money and have to be subsidized by their governments to keep them running.

You would think if something made "perfect sense" it could make a profit wouldn't you?




HSR would not make financial sense in the beginning. The amount of money that it would take to create the infrastructure would keep profitability from being a reality for 30 or so years. After that, and with the continued population increase, it could be very profitable. By the way, I was thinking more in terms of Paris to London, Paris to Munich or Paris to Rome--longer stints than you have mentioned. We have subsidized airlines with local, state and federal funds. We have used taxpayer money to build airports all across this country.

[okie52]

BRAC deals only with the closure of bases and forts, and has nothing to do with limiting the amount of expenditure on weaponry. Two very different things.

Never said they were the same thing. It has to do with overhead and reduction in military spending, which was their purpose.

[The Profit]

Never said they were the same thing. It has to do with overhead and reduction in military spending, which was their purpose.




My guess is that any attempt to reduce military spending will be on the personnel side, or the closing of posts and bases. There will be NO overall reduction in the amount of money that is fed to the military industrial complex monster.

[okie52]

We need about 3 more BRAC sessions...

We have another scheduled for 2015.

[okie52]

My guess is that any attempt to reduce military spending will be on the personnel side, or the closing of posts and bases. There will be NO overall reduction in the amount of money that is fed to the military industrial complex monster.

Probably not...although there should be a 2-3% reduction per year for the next 15-20 years.

[sappstuf]

HSR would not make financial sense in the beginning. The amount of money that it would take to create the infrastructure would keep profitability from being a reality for 30 or so years. After that, and with the continued population increase, it could be very profitable. By the way, I was thinking more in terms of Paris to London, Paris to Munich or Paris to Rome--longer stints than you have mentioned. We have subsidized airlines with local, state and federal funds. We have used taxpayer money to build airports all across this country.

Right.

So lets say we are both mayors of growing cities and have $5 billion each to play with. You decide to build a HSR to Kansas City. I build an international airport.

I have connected myself to the world and you have connected yourself with.. er.. Kansas City.

Good luck with that.

However, I am not competely against trains. I think trains should be expanded for shipping freight. I would love to get more semi's off the road, I think that would also be good for the enviroment and would fall under your infrastructure improvement/expansion.


"Europe's dependence on trucks stems from the failure of its vaunted passenger-rail network to provide a cheap, efficient alternative for cargo. Between 1995 and 2005, the percentage of European goods shipped by truck rose to 73% from 68%, while rail's share fell to 17% from 20%. The rest goes by canal or, in the case of oil and gas, pipelines. In the U.S. in 2005, 42% of freight was moved by train and 33% by truck."


But passenger travel by rail is now a novelty in this country. That is how it should be treated.

[Jammin']

Why do you keep it up? Nobody is giving anybody "a pass." All we are saying is stop acting/sounding like the whiney little donks did when GWB was in. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Be better than them.

You don't have to say "Obama is the debbil" in every single post. You don't have to start inflammatory threads about liberal wrongdoings. It's ****ing lame, stupid, and weak. That's our only point. Give it a rest. Vote the nimrod out in 2012. In the meantime, stop whining like a bitch about it.


He's a lot of things, not many of them good. We know. We get it. Comprende. No **** Sherlock. Why continue to bash? Take the high road. Otherwise, you're gutter scum just like the folks you're bashing/emulating/imitating. You know, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...


Glad you have an opinion. Problem is you don't read very well.

Nobody said "don't discuss politics." I said "quit posting inflammatory crap that is only meant to get a rise out of the people on the other side." It's not "continued debate." It's rabble-rousing gutter games. There's a ton of websites where you can sit and circle jerk with a bunch of other haters. And what does that accomplish? That's what I thought. Quit. Being. Just. Like. Them.

I'm a little late to the party but I agree completely with Dean on this.

While we are at it: it's Stillwater, not Stoolwater. And it's Pokes, not Pukes.
We are all OKLAHOMANS first. And when you get get called "gooners" on those other boards remember "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery..."

Right Dean? (I'm right, you can say it.)

[sooner_born_1960]

That's just crazy talk.

[sappstuf]

I'm a little late to the party but I agree completely with Dean on this.

While we are at it: it's Stillwater, not Stoolwater. And it's Pokes, not Pukes.
We are all OKLAHOMANS first. And when you get get called "gooners" on those other boards remember "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery..."

Right Dean? (I'm right, you can say it.)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D6_C5xATnRo/S87VGqH1yrI/AAAAAAAAABI/p9P1TuEDW2w/s1600/suckup.jpg

;)

[C&CDean]

I'm a little late to the party but I agree completely with Dean on this.

While we are at it: it's Stillwater, not Stoolwater. And it's Pokes, not Pukes.
We are all OKLAHOMANS first. And when you get get called "gooners" on those other boards remember "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery..."

Right Dean? (I'm right, you can say it.)

Well you might not be wrong...

[Jammin']

Well you might not be wrong...

Close enough.

[The Profit]

Right.

So lets say we are both mayors of growing cities and have $5 billion each to play with. You decide to build a HSR to Kansas City. I build an international airport.

I have connected myself to the world and you have connected yourself with.. er.. Kansas City.

Good luck with that.

However, I am not competely against trains. I think trains should be expanded for shipping freight. I would love to get more semi's off the road, I think that would also be good for the enviroment and would fall under your infrastructure improvement/expansion.




But passenger travel by rail is now a novelty in this country. That is how it should be treated.



Passenger train service was the norm in this country until the late 1940's, when airline companies, and airplane manufacturers, hired lobbyists to persuade congress to allocate funds for airports, make subsidies available for airlines, etc. We already have access to the world. Now, we need to take care of the problem of easy and inexpensive access to the nation.

[okie52]

Passenger train service was the norm in this country until the late 1940's, when airline companies, and airplane manufacturers, hired lobbyists to persuade congress to allocate funds for airports, make subsidies available for airlines, etc. We already have access to the world. Now, we need to take care of the problem of easy and inexpensive access to the nation.

Doesn't sound like it will be inexpensive.

[The Profit]

Doesn't sound like it will be inexpensive.




It won't be now, but it will be in 50 years. You don't build new infrastructure for today. Instead, you build it for future generations.

[sappstuf]

Passenger train service was the norm in this country until the late 1940's, when airline companies, and airplane manufacturers, hired lobbyists to persuade congress to allocate funds for airports, make subsidies available for airlines, etc. We already have access to the world. Now, we need to take care of the problem of easy and inexpensive access to the nation.

Buggy service was the norm until the early 1900s when car companies and road building lobbyists persuaded congress to allocate funds to build concrete roads....

What is your point?

[C&CDean]

Passenger train service was the norm in this country until the late 1940's, when airline companies, and airplane manufacturers, hired lobbyists to persuade congress to allocate funds for airports, make subsidies available for airlines, etc. We already have access to the world. Now, we need to take care of the problem of easy and inexpensive access to the nation.

Dude, c'mon. I can hop in my truck and drive ~75 mph to anywhere in this country. You make it sound like we have nothing but dirt roads and ****.

Besides, public trans is the absolute suck. I take it every day up here and I loathe it beyond anything you could possibly imagine. Thousands of soulless lemmings pushing and shoving their way on to and off of trains. No smiles, no happiness, only a dark, dingy world of underground moles just trying to get to work or get home.

C'mon April 1. Big daddy is coming home, gonna jump in his truck, and hit I-44 like a free man.

[The Profit]

Buggy service was the norm until the early 1900s when car companies and road building lobbyists persuaded congress to allocate funds to build concrete roads....

What is your point?




Automobile transportation has reached its peak. As this nation's population continues to grow, we will see a lesser percentage of autos for long-range travel, and a greater need for mass transit.

[Turd_Ferguson]

C'mon April 1. Big daddy is coming home, gonna jump in his truck, and hit I-44 like a free man.Honk your train horn when ya come thru Newcastle...

[C&CDean]

Automobile transportation has reached its peak. As this nation's population continues to grow, we will see a lesser percentage of autos for long-range travel, and a greater need for mass transit.

Completely. Disagree.

In urban/metropolitan overcrowded cities? Yes, but it's already there. In God's flyover country? Nope. Not happening. Not in a million years.

[The Profit]

Dude, c'mon. I can hop in my truck and drive ~75 mph to anywhere in this country. You make it sound like we have nothing but dirt roads and ****.

Besides, public trans is the absolute suck. I take it every day up here and I loathe it beyond anything you could possibly imagine. Thousands of soulless lemmings pushing and shoving their way on to and off of trains. No smiles, no happiness, only a dark, dingy world of underground moles just trying to get to work or get home.

C'mon April 1. Big daddy is coming home, gonna jump in his truck, and hit I-44 like a free man.




I took it last week in Chicago, and loved it. It was so much easier than trying to drive a frigging car from downtown Chicago to O'Hare. The same story holds true in NYC, DC, and any other major American city. But, really, we are not talking as much about mass-transit as we are about high-speed rail.

[sappstuf]

Automobile transportation has reached its peak. As this nation's population continues to grow, we will see a lesser percentage of autos for long-range travel, and a greater need for mass transit.

Once again, you really need to look at population densities from other countries before you make such statements.

Los Angeles has the highest density of people in the US. It's not even in the top 25 of the world...

As a country our population density is very low.

[JohnnyMack]

Automobile transportation has reached its peak. As this nation's population continues to grow, we will see a lesser percentage of autos for long-range travel, and a greater need for mass transit.

Yeah I don't really see that happening. We took a vacation last year, flew to San Jose then went from as far south as Carmel to as far north as Santa Rosa. Can't see how I could have made it around without a car. I mean I think mass transit and/or high speed rail from town to town is one thing, but people who advocate HSR are usually idealistic 20 something year olds with no kids.

[The Profit]

Completely. Disagree.

In urban/metropolitan overcrowded cities? Yes, but it's already there. In God's flyover country? Nope. Not happening. Not in a million years.



You are wrong. It will happen, and it will be in the next 50 years. It makes too much sense not to happen. It will create hundreds of thousands of new jobs, reduce dependency on fossil fuels, get people quickly and efficiently from one place to another without the dependency of good weather, and will allow a population of 500 million to migrate to the cities of the future.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

:mad:

Just saw a tv ad from some group called Citizens Against Gov't Waste... it features a smirking commie Chinese host lecturing an auditorium of young Reds, reminding them of why great societies of the past have fallen; Rome, the Brits, the USA... Commie remarked how the US tried to tax and spend themselves out of a big recession, but how China owned all of their debt..."Now they work for us..." The young Reds laugh on cue. :mad:

I teach American History, am a patriot, and also agree we have overcome all dumbazz presidents of the past. I'm also of the opinion that presidents get too much credit or blame, whatever the case may be.

But one of these days the bill is gonna come due...

Cue Red Laughter :eek:


Bernanke's busy inflating those debts away. Joke's on them. They better cash them dollars in while they have a chance.

Mutually Assured Destruction - Econ Style

[pphilfran]

Bernanke's busy inflating those debts away. Joke's on them. They better cash them dollars in while they have a chance.

Mutually Assured Destruction - Econ Style

Truth about Bernanke...

[pphilfran]

I took it last week in Chicago, and loved it. It was so much easier than trying to drive a frigging car from downtown Chicago to O'Hare. The same story holds true in NYC, DC, and any other major American city. But, really, we are not talking as much about mass-transit as we are about high-speed rail.

I think cities need to have mass transit and then get high speed rail...

The problem is the big cities are the ones that could benefit but they are so crowded that finding track space is nearly impossible...probably one of the reasons they use existing tracks and run at slower speeds...

You are correct that HSR will be much more common in 50 years...though if they started today they might not get finished in 50 years...

[The Profit]

I think cities need to have mass transit and then get high speed rail...

The problem is the big cities are the ones that could benefit but they are so crowded that finding track space is nearly impossible...probably one of the reasons they use existing tracks and run at slower speeds...

You are correct that HSR will be much more common in 50 years...though if they started today they might not get finished in 50 years...




I agree.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

We have used taxpayer money to build airports all across this country.

Airlines pay gate fees for use of those airports. Airports are revenue generators. Try again.

Now professional sports teams. There's some subsidized sum biches.

[The Profit]

Airlines pay gate fees for use of those airports. Airports are revenue generators. Try again.

Now professional sports teams. There's some subsidized sum biches.




You are right. There are gate fees, but the gate fees came after the government bonds that allowed the airports to be constructed with taxpayer money. The same could and will happen with rail. There will be terminal fees, and there will be competing train companies. The track will be owned by the government, and the privately owned trains will pay to use them.

[tcrb]

Pie in the sky.

Anybody else like pie?

I prefer cobbler.

[Curly Bill]

You are wrong. It will happen, and it will be in the next 50 years. It makes too much sense not to happen. It will create hundreds of thousands of new jobs, reduce dependency on fossil fuels, get people quickly and efficiently from one place to another without the dependency of good weather, and will allow a population of 500 million to migrate to the cities of the future.

You're deliberately trying to make us laught right? :rolleyes:

[The Profit]

You're deliberately trying to make us laught right? :rolleyes:



Curly, have you ever traveled out of Oklahoma. There is a whole great big world out there. Most of the world has already discovered the genius of mass transportation. Most of the world is fascinated by high-speed rail. If you have read my posts, you must understand that I don't see high speed rail happening anytime soon, but it will be very much around in 2060 at which time I won't be.

[pphilfran]

You're deliberately trying to make us laught right? :rolleyes:

He will be correct in the long run...what will jet fuel cost in 50 years?

Sometime in the relatively near future HSR will be far cheaper than airfare...

I was cracking a joke about it taking 50 years...but 20 years to plan, obtain right of way, and build a HSR system is probably close...so if we don't start sometime soon we will be left behind....and the longer we wait the corridors that are more likely to succeed will become even more congested and building a system will become even more difficult...

Like I said earlier...if you want HSR in a city it must have exceptional local mass transit...

[Curly Bill]

Yeah I know, at one time or another I've seen much of that world. Even ridden on some of that magical mass transit stuff. I happened to notice along the way that those parts of the world where that works well, are well...not like most of the good ol USA is, meaning really spread out.

[okie52]

He will be correct in the long run...what will jet fuel cost in 50 years?

Sometime in the relatively near future HSR will be far cheaper than airfare...

I was cracking a joke about it taking 50 years...but 20 years to plan, obtain right of way, and build a HSR system is probably close...so if we don't start sometime soon we will be left behind....and the longer we wait the corridors that are more likely to succeed will become even more congested and building a system will become even more difficult...

Like I said earlier...if you want HSR in a city it must have exceptional local mass transit...

And high population densities. I am for low population densities but I don't see that happening.

[Curly Bill]

Besides, I wasn't laughing so much at the premise, as I was the breathlessness of his tone.

[pphilfran]

And high population densities. I am for low population densities but I don't see that happening.

Your thoughts on population control are also going to happen sometime in the future...to start, a kid won't be a deduction...

[OUthunder]

Hey Stoop, what's that ghey yogurt place you like called again?

Hairy dairy?

[The Profit]

Yeah I know, at one time or another I've seen much of that world. Even ridden on some of that magical mass transit stuff. I happened to notice along the way that those parts of the world where that works well, are well...not like most of the good ol USA is, meaning really spread out.




My train ride two years ago from Paris to Cologne, Germany was primarily over miles and miles of farm land, although we were going to fast to really see what crops were being grown.

[uncle mo]

Dude, c'mon, all the intelligence at that time pointed towards WMD - in fact so much so that Congress (including Hillary and Co) were on board with it. Not fair.

That being said, when all a guy does is go "goober-in-chief" ad nauseum any point he attempts to make is drowned out by his ****ing ignorance.

I'm dead serious Tuba. I'm getting damned close to banning you simpletons who can't post anything but caustic political crap. WE ****ING GET IT. Obama is a POS. We agree (at least anybody with half a brain does). Screaming it in every post is tiresome. You need to quit, and so do your 3-4 butt buddies who can't seem to post anything but Obama-hate with every word. WE. GET. IT.

Just curious if you happened to see the interview with the source of a LOT of that intel. If not, I am gonna try and post it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=3450752n

[The Profit]

Your thoughts on population control are also going to happen sometime in the future...to start, a kid won't be a deduction...




That will happen in the next few years. It probably should have happened 20 years ago, but I am glad it didn't.

[pphilfran]

Damn, I hate being on the same side of a subject as you...much less two in the same thread!

[The Profit]

Damn, I hate being on the same side of a subject as you...much less two in the same thread!



Going to Cache tomorrow to see the final product.

[Curly Bill]

My train ride two years ago from Paris to Cologne, Germany was primarily over miles and miles of farm land, although we were going to fast to really see what crops were being grown.

...and all of France & Germany is as big as what Texas? We're a big ol country, with lots of wide open places. Mass transit, HSR, whatever, does not now, nor will it soon make sense for much of that country.

[pphilfran]

Going to Cache tomorrow to see the final product.

My girlfriends daughter lives just east of the field in those new homes...the two of them walked over and looked at the field...they said it looked complete...

Bound to be close... they had most of it done when you hauled me over there...

[pphilfran]

...and all of France & Germany is as big as what Texas? We're a big ol country, with lots of wide open places. Mass transit, HSR, whatever, does not now, nor will it soon make sense for much of that country.

You must have vision...how much will av gas cost in 50 years?

[The Profit]

...and all of France & Germany is as big as what Texas? We're a big ol country, with lots of wide open places. Mass transit, HSR, whatever, does not now, nor will it soon make sense for much of that country.




Curly, we are not talking about now. As Phil pointed out, just by starting the process today, it will be 20 years before any real track connects two points. Purchasing real estate, laying the track, etc. will take a long time. It sure as hell makes more sense to me than spending billions (or trillions) on going to Mars or returning to the moon, or making enough weapons to kill the world 1,000 times. Over the course of 20-30 years, HSR will employ millions, disperse populations and make the nation better. By the way, I am not breathless or even passionate about this subject. I am, however, pragmatic.

[JohnnyMack]

And full of dramatic pauses.

[The Profit]

And full of dramatic pauses.

No dramatic pauses. Dramatic pauses are ... or ----

[Curly Bill]

Wow, I'm sold. Mass transit is right up there with college football playoffs in its potential to make the world a much, much, much better place. ;)

[okie52]

Your thoughts on population control are also going to happen sometime in the future...to start, a kid won't be a deduction...

Indeed, should be a tax liability.

[The Profit]

Wow, I'm sold. Mass transit is right up there with college football playoffs in its potential to make the world a much, much, much better place. ;)




I hope to hell that the college playoffs don't take as long as HSR will take.

[Curly Bill]

I hope to hell that the college playoffs don't take as long as HSR will take.

I couldn't be more meh on both of em.

[SoonerKnight]

Obama is the President now!! As GWB once said the President is the decider! Obama doesn't need to ask anybody anything! Hell this is the only time he's been actually pretty firm on a decision without turning it over to Congress! Congress only controls the money! The war powers resolution has never been challenged because neither presidents nor congress wanted to chance it!!

[sappstuf]

Curly, we are not talking about now. As Phil pointed out, just by starting the process today, it will be 20 years before any real track connects two points. Purchasing real estate, laying the track, etc. will take a long time. It sure as hell makes more sense to me than spending billions (or trillions) on going to Mars or returning to the moon, or making enough weapons to kill the world 1,000 times. Over the course of 20-30 years, HSR will employ millions, disperse populations and make the nation better. By the way, I am not breathless or even passionate about this subject. I am, however, pragmatic.

Looks like they just agreed to spend almost $500 million dollars to improve the track between Charlotte and Raleigh to increase speeds.

$500 million gets you there... Wait for it.... 13 minutes faster. And it will STILL be slower than driving.

$500 million just doesn't go as far as it used to I guess.

HSR would only be, what, 10 or 20 times more expensive than this conventional train route?

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

But what's going to be left after his disastrous 4 years if office (if he isn't impeached first) will look a lot like the other great liberal/socialist success stories of Detroit, California, Greece, etc.

And you can probably say goodbye to our reserve currency status, super power status, full time employment, affordable healthcare, home ownership, affordable energy. And say hello to our new communist Chinese masters.

Exactly what in your personal life is worse because of Obama? Serious question, I wanna know :eek:

[OU_Sooners75]

Exactly what in your personal life is worse because of Obama? Serious question, I wanna know :eek:

I'm not tuba...

But everything.

I am having a hell of a time getting a business start-up loan.

My insurance rates have gone up since the passing of Obamacare...thanks for the fact that insurance is going to be forced upon those that cannot afford it.

I am having to budget less for fun and more for gas.

Economy is in the ****ter, so I am having a tough time negotiating a raise at work.

Hmmm....my girlfriend is not putting out because Obama has not sent me my check yet, been two years and I am still waiting for the hand out.

Man, the list is just way too long...but this is the crap that annoys me the most.


:D

[SoonerKnight]

Exactly what in your personal life is worse because of Obama? Serious question, I wanna know :eek:

Nothing he just thinks the repugs are brilliant! :rolleyes:

[tcrb]

Exactly what in your personal life is worse because of Obama? Serious question, I wanna know :eek:

You're kidding right? You really haven't noticed a decline in your disposable income? Or maybe you are one of the ones sucking on the gov't teet. 75 has already mentioned the price of gas and insurance, but just about everything else has gone up in price too, including food, clothing and everything I buy on a daily basis. Gas prices will continue to rise this summer and as long as the moratorium on drilling in the gulf remains in place. Since Mr. Hope n Change has taken office just about every business I know of has either laid off employees or has frozen hiring and wages for the last 2 years. Maybe it's not solely Obama's fault that things are what they are, but we had a dem congress for the last 2 years of W's 2nd term and a dem super majority when Obama took office. At the very least, he's done nothing to help things get better and every action he has taken has made things worse.

[C&CDean]

You are wrong. It will happen, and it will be in the next 50 years. It makes too much sense not to happen. It will create hundreds of thousands of new jobs, reduce dependency on fossil fuels, get people quickly and efficiently from one place to another without the dependency of good weather, and will allow a population of 500 million to migrate to the cities of the future.

Nope. We'll see changes in fuel types, etc., but HSR across the USA isn't gonna happen. Too much $$. Too much infrastructure needed. Nobody will ride the damn thing except hippies, ex-hippies, and fags.

[C&CDean]

You're kidding right? You really haven't noticed a decline in your disposable income? Or maybe you are one of the ones sucking on the gov't teet. 75 has already mentioned the price of gas and insurance, but just about everything else has gone up in price too, including food, clothing and everything I buy on a daily basis. Gas prices will continue to rise this summer and as long as the moratorium on drilling in the gulf remains in place. Since Mr. Hope n Change has taken office just about every business I know of has either laid off employees or has frozen hiring and wages for the last 2 years. Maybe it's not solely Obama's fault that things are what they are, but we had a dem congress for the last 2 years of W's 2nd term and a dem super majority when Obama took office. At the very least, he's done nothing to help things get better and every action he has taken has made things worse.

Even that has been quashed. Hiring freezes in all government agencies, and the USPS is announcing today that they are offering a buttload of their senior management incentives to retire, which will be followed by a 20% reduction in force (RIF). And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Nothing even close to what we're going through now has happened in my lifetime. I won't be so myopic as to say "it's all the blammer's fault" but the buck stops somewhere, no?

[olevetonahill]

Nope. We'll see changes in fuel types, etc., but HSR across the USA isn't gonna happen. Too much $$. Too much infrastructure needed. Nobody will ride the damn thing except hippies, ex-hippies, and fags.

You crack me the **** up:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I can picture you in my mind squished into a subway car with a 100 other sardines, Just waitin to go Postal on their asses :D

[C&CDean]

You crack me the **** up:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I can picture you in mind squished into a subway car with a 100 other sardines, Just waitin to go Postal on their asses :D

100? Try thousands...

I'm pretty claustrophobic too, and I make sure I've got a little space when packed in there. I just lean into folks until they back off me. One time, about 20-something years ago (back then I was a lot worse on the claustrophobia thing) I was on the Metro up here and I got wedged in a corner with people smashed all up against me. Then, the damn train stops down in one of the tunnels. I finally yelled "get the **** off me!!" and pushed the people who were leaning into me. It was amazing how much room I had on that train. People were almost crawling over themselves to get away, and a space about 5-6 feet cleared out. Everybody's face was sheer panic. I guess they thought I was bat**** - and I guess I was, cause I was fixin' to snap. Good times...

[olevetonahill]

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
That story with My coffee is almost better than watchin the Deer:cool:

[StoopTroup]

100? Try thousands...

I'm pretty claustrophobic too, and I make sure I've got a little space when packed in there. I just lean into folks until they back off me. One time, about 20-something years ago (back then I was a lot worse on the claustrophobia thing) I was on the Metro up here and I got wedged in a corner with people smashed all up against me. Then, the damn train stops down in one of the tunnels. I finally yelled "get the **** off me!!" and pushed the people who were leaning into me. It was amazing how much room I had on that train. People were almost crawling over themselves to get away, and a space about 5-6 feet cleared out. Everybody's face was sheer panic. I guess they thought I was bat**** - and I guess I was, cause I was fixin' to snap. Good times...

.

[sappstuf]

100? Try thousands...

I'm pretty claustrophobic too, and I make sure I've got a little space when packed in there. I just lean into folks until they back off me. One time, about 20-something years ago (back then I was a lot worse on the claustrophobia thing) I was on the Metro up here and I got wedged in a corner with people smashed all up against me. Then, the damn train stops down in one of the tunnels. I finally yelled "get the **** off me!!" and pushed the people who were leaning into me. It was amazing how much room I had on that train. People were almost crawling over themselves to get away, and a space about 5-6 feet cleared out. Everybody's face was sheer panic. I guess they thought I was bat**** - and I guess I was, cause I was fixin' to snap. Good times...

I rode the Red Line in DC for about a year. I don't plan on doing that again...

[olevetonahill]

100? Try thousands...

I'm pretty claustrophobic too, and I make sure I've got a little space when packed in there. I just lean into folks until they back off me. One time, about 20-something years ago (back then I was a lot worse on the claustrophobia thing) I was on the Metro up here and I got wedged in a corner with people smashed all up against me. Then, the damn train stops down in one of the tunnels. I finally yelled "get the **** off me!!" and pushed the people who were leaning into me. It was amazing how much room I had on that train. People were almost crawling over themselves to get away, and a space about 5-6 feet cleared out. Everybody's face was sheer panic. I guess they thought I was bat**** - and I guess I was, cause I was fixin' to snap. Good times...

Makes me think of the time I was riding that train gismo at Atlanta A/P
had My Son and ex wife with me
The dayum thing stopped at our stop, Doors open and we couldnt get off because all the ****in idiots were cloggin it up trying to Get on
I did kinda snap, Embarrassed the Ex and my son , But I cleared a path so we could get the **** off..

[C&CDean]

I rode the Red Line in DC for about a year. I don't plan on doing that again...

I take the Yellow line every damn day from Pentagon City into L'Enfant Plaza. It's only two stops away, so it ain't bad. Back when I freaked out I was riding the Red line from Bethesda to L'Enfant. About 10 or so stops, and it got more crowded each stop as it approached downtown.

There's times I'm down there in the tunnels and think "man, WTF am I doing here?" Especially on Fridays. On Fridays, a buttload of the punkassed ghetto kids ride from downtown to Pentagon City to go to the big mall there. Screaming, yelling, grabassing, doing all the shuck and jive crap with their skinny pants hanging completely below their asscheeks, sometimes even the girls do it too. I ****ing hate it. I feel like I'm in a ****ing zoo surrounded by animals.

Mass transit is by far the best way to get around up here in general, but not in OK. Never will be either.

[soonercruiser]

Makes me think of the time I was riding that train gismo at Atlanta A/P
had My Son and ex wife with me
The dayum thing stopped at our stop, Doors open and we couldnt get off because all the ****in idiots were cloggin it up trying to Get on
I did kinda snap, Embarrassed the Ex and my son , But I cleared a path so we could get the **** off..

Actually used MARTA in Atlanta at several meetings over the years.
I will say that that was one train route that was built correctly.
It made it very easy to get from the A/P to downtown hotels.

'Course, I wasn't tryin' to ride at night with the ......!
:D

[Veritas]

Actually used MARTA in Atlanta at several meetings over the years.
I will say that that was one train route that was built correctly.
It made it very easy to get from the A/P to downtown hotels.

'Course, I wasn't tryin' to ride at night with the ......!
:D
Ahh, good 'ol MARTA. Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta.

[soonercruiser]

My guess is that any attempt to reduce military spending will be on the personnel side, or the closing of posts and bases. There will be NO overall reduction in the amount of money that is fed to the military industrial complex monster.

BINGO!
Must agree with this.
Had been through it almost 30 years.
During the Clinton years - 25% personnel cuts.
They bragged about closing Kelly AFB in San Antonio.
Turns out all the major functions are still there - now "officially" as a satellite of Lackland Air Force Base. Duh!

[soonercruiser]

Ahh, good 'ol MARTA. Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta.

:eek:
(I can feel the room temperature rising!)

[yermom]

Even that has been quashed. Hiring freezes in all government agencies, and the USPS is announcing today that they are offering a buttload of their senior management incentives to retire, which will be followed by a 20% reduction in force (RIF). And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Nothing even close to what we're going through now has happened in my lifetime. I won't be so myopic as to say "it's all the blammer's fault" but the buck stops somewhere, no?

you can't blame Obama for problems in the USPS. that's Al Gore's fault.

boomers aren't helping either, i'm sure.

[C&CDean]

you can't blame Obama for problems in the USPS. that's Al Gore's fault.

boomers aren't helping either, i'm sure.

No, it's all you damn hippies paying your bills on-line...

[yermom]

and who invented the internet?

[soonercruiser]

and who invented the internet?

Who?

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[SoonerNate]

With the news of Matt Lauer, Katie Couric and Keith Olbermann off network television for 2012, Obama decides to put jobs at the forefront of his agenda.

[soonercruiser]

With the news of Matt Lauer, Katie Couric and Keith Olbermann off network television for 2012, Obama decides to put jobs at the forefront of his agenda.

:D