Teach Your Children Well/Indoctrinating Children...A Pictorial

[MamaMia]

Young children? Are you kidding me? Using children as a tool in a protest they cant possibly grasp the full meaning of is highly inappropriate. I appreciate hard working teachers who put their students first, but in this case, I believe they are truly putting themselves first and using these children. Teachers and parents went so far today as to march these young children to the state capital to learn and join together in chants against the Governor! The former Democrat Governor championed and signed a bill REQUIRING Wisconsin teachers to teach their older students the benefits' of Unionization. In the books the wordage is as such that it blames former President Reagan for forcing the unions to unfairly work harder to implement their plan.

Ann Althouse: Law Professor

March 14, 2011

Indoctrinating Children

I'm working on editing some video I took at the Capitol today, showing the political indoctrination of children. It pains me to see children taught to intone or chant things that should be understood first. When you think of things like that, what comes to mind? Maybe you think of the schoolkids taught to sing "Mmm mmm mmm/Barack Hussein Obama." Maybe you think about making kids say the Pledge of Allegiance, about which Justice Frankfurter wrote:

The wisdom of training children in patriotic impulses by those compulsions which necessarily pervade so much of the educational process is not for our independent judgment. Even were we convinced of the folly of such a measure, such belief would be no proof of its unconstitutionality. For ourselves, we might be tempted to say that the deepest patriotism is best engendered by giving unfettered scope to the most crochety beliefs.... But the courtroom is not the arena for debating issues of educational policy. It is not our province to choose among competing considerations in the subtle process of securing effective loyalty to the traditional ideals of democracy, while respecting at the same time individual idiosyncracies among a people so diversified in racial origins and religious allegiances. So to hold would, in effect, make us the school board for the country. That authority has not been given to this Court, nor should we assume it....

VIDEO: http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2011/03/16/video-wi-teachers-lead-children-in-anti-walker-chants/

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/03/indoctrinating-children.html
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Teach Your Children Well: A Wisconsin Protest Pictorial

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Liberals dishonestly condemned the protesters of the Tea Party movement as racist, fascist, extremists bent on violence. There was no violence by those protesters. They were peaceful, and they weren't racist or fascist either, but liberals found a few signs in the crowd that sounded kind of extreme. They used those signs to endlessly condemn the entire movement.

But as they say – what goes around, comes around.


Here are some signs from the Wisconsin union protesters. Let's see if liberals have the same reaction to these as they did to the Tea Party protests.

Keep in mind, these signs come from the people teaching your children:

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Here we have a brainiac comparing Wisconsin's Gov. Scott Walker to Osama Bin Laden because Walker endorsed legislation to be considered in the Wisconsin Senate. Said legislature would be subject to a vote (the democratic process). Wisconsin Democrats ran away and hid rather than vote. That makes Walker a terrorist ? I hope the above sign-carrying clown doesn't teach civics.

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Hmmm. Maybe they don't teach civics in Wisconsin.

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Ah, yes. The inevitable Hitler reference. And nice move bringing your small child along to your demonstration of historical ignorance, buddy. Fascists are the ones who DON'T go along with the will of the people. They impose their will, as the hide-and-seek Democrat Senators in Wisconsin are attempting to do, and as the protesters who stormed the Wisconsin statehouse, beat on the doors of the assembly room, and shut down the legislature did. At least the original Browhshirts didn't have the gall to call their opponents Brownshirts.

The Hitler references were popular…

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Yes, having a teacher contribute 12% of the cost of his own health insurance IS the same thing as slaughtering 6 million Jews during the Holocaust, isn't it ? Who can argue with logic like that ? They must not teach history in Wisconsin either.

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If you can't beat 'em,…kill 'em. I hope this protester was standing right next to the guy with the Holocaust sign, for maximum ironic effect. Oxymorons unite !

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Hey ! Where did this sign come from ??? Pssst. Quick, sweep it under this rug. We aren't supposed to TELL THEM we're socialists, remember ? We're supposed to deny it.

This last one contains profanity. Stop now if you are offended by that.

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Classy. Obviously, an English teacher created this one. It took a bit of thought. Plus, they inadvertently got the "Fascist Union" part right.

There are all kinds of signs at the Wisconsin protests calling for Gov. Walker's impeachment. I hate to be a stickler for things like facts, but….can anyone identify an impeachable offense committed by Walker ? I can't. I'm fairly sure "because the mob says so " is NOT a valid grounds for impeachment.

Given the apparent lack of civics knowledge among Wisconsin's teachers and protesters, this seems like a good time to plug The Dreyfuss Initiative. It is dedicated to refocusing on teaching civics in America. Sounds like a real good idea, considering. Maybe it's time to get something besides cheese into the heads of some Wisconsin teachers, and I know this phenomenon isn't restricted to that one state.

[KantoSooner]

Well said, Mama.

[virginiasooner]

In all the union protest signs I've seen on the internet, I found only one that that a word misspelled (you can thank a teacher for even being able to READ). Contrast that with teaparty signs -- misspellings and lots of misplaced apostrophies.

[Sooner98]

The hypocrisy and psychosis of the left is breathtaking.

[MR2-Sooner86]

In all the union protest signs I've seen on the internet, I found only one that that a word misspelled (you can thank a teacher for even being able to READ). Contrast that with teaparty signs -- misspellings and lots of misplaced apostrophies.

This is what we call an ad hominem children.

[47straight]

In all the union protest signs I've seen on the internet, I found only one that that a word misspelled (you can thank a teacher for even being able to READ). Contrast that with teaparty signs -- misspellings and lots of misplaced apostrophies.

So your side can spell Hitler, Dictator, and all sorts of other insults in a blind rage.

You must be so proud.

[Leroy Lizard]

In all the union protest signs I've seen on the internet, I found only one that that a word misspelled

Huh? Come again?

[Leroy Lizard]

The teachers have stooped to some pretty disgraceful behavior in this brouhaha. They're supposed to teach children how to argue intelligently, but don't practice it themselves.

[MamaMia]

In all the union protest signs I've seen on the internet, I found only one that that a word misspelled (you can thank a teacher for even being able to READ). Contrast that with teaparty signs -- misspellings and lots of misplaced apostrophies. Are you saying that parents don't teach their children how to read? There are plenty of fun learning tools for parents to enjoy with their preschool kids. My kids knew the alphabet, how to read and some flashcard math long before they started school. Who do you think taught them, the tooth fairy?

By the way...tea party is two words, and there is no i in apostrophes ;)

[StoopTroup]

Allowing kids to be a part of the political process is good IMO. The earlier the better.

I can see how maybe a bit of it can be viewed as one sided but I don't see it being harmful to teach kids they have the right to Freedom of Speech and to protest something they don't like. It's a bit like "On the Job" training to me. As much good as bad can come from it IMO.

It's no more wrong than these folks that put their kids in their Car Lot ads or whatever Daddy is pushing.

Nobody freaked out when Alex P. Keaton started a craze of Conservative tie wearing Blue suited 8 year olds in this Country

I have more of a problem with parents who take their kids to see a Saw Movie when they are 8 years old.

[soonercruiser]

In all the union protest signs I've seen on the internet, I found only one that that a word misspelled (you can thank a teacher for even being able to READ). Contrast that with teaparty signs -- misspellings and lots of misplaced apostrophies.

Sooooo...what are you trying to say virginia???
Oh! You're a leftist liberal......and that means that the Tea Party folks are uneducated red-neck morons, who are incapable of governing thenselves.
So, we need the elitist educators and statists like yourself to lead us in our life's work! :rolleyes:

A true Alinskyian....attacks the messenger, rather than debate the message!
LW union thugs have no problem spelling, because they are mostly using 4 letter words on thier signs, and in their chants!
:mad:

[MamaMia]

Allowing kids to be a part of the political process is good IMO. The earlier the better.

I can see how maybe a bit of it can be viewed as one sided but I don't see it being harmful to teach kids they have the right to Freedom of Speech and to protest something they don't like. It's a bit like "On the Job" training to me. As much good as bad can come from it IMO.

It's no more wrong than these folks that put their kids in their Car Lot ads or whatever Daddy is pushing.So tomorrow, are these teachers going to have them trash the 'Recall Walker' signs and paint up some 'Walker...4 More years' ones to teach them the other side?

Fact is, these young children are unable to grasp the facts about this situation.


...and don't even compare kids acting in commercials with adults brainwashing children politically. Not the same.

[soonercruiser]

Huh? Come again?

"Only recognized one misspellink!" :P

[StoopTroup]

Allowing kids to be a part of the political process is good IMO. The earlier the better.

I can see how maybe a bit of it can be viewed as one sided but I don't see it being harmful to teach kids they have the right to Freedom of Speech and to protest something they don't like. It's a bit like "On the Job" training to me. As much good as bad can come from it IMO.

It's no more wrong than these folks that put their kids in their Car Lot ads or whatever Daddy is pushing.So tomorrow, are these teachers going to have them trash the 'Recall Walker' signs and paint up some 'Walker/...4 More years' ones to teach them the other side.


...and don't even compare kids acting in commercials with adults brainwashing children politically. Not the same.

it's exactly the same.

[StoopTroup]

Also...I don't want to see some Dentist working on a childs teeth in a commercial...that's just sick.

If you are gonna get me into the chair it's because you use Nitrous on Bambi when I'm there.....:D

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[soonercruiser]

[QUOTE=MamaMia;3173985]

it's exactly the same.

"Exactly" the same!
Unbelievable! :rolleyes:
When will the Wisconsin union teacher thugs offer the kids the Koolaid so there won't be any kids to teach?
It's an American Jonesville!

How low can they STOOP??
:D

[StoopTroup]

"Exactly" the same!
Unbelievable! :rolleyes:
When will the Wisconsin union teacher thugs offer the kids the Koolaid so there won't be any kids to teach?
It's an American Jonesville!

Thugs?

WTF is wrong with you? Thugs?

Go to an Oakland Raiders Game with a Pink Dallas Cowboy Football Jersey on in Oakland. Then you'll know the true definition of a thug.

Get real.

[StoopTroup]

I've heard pokes complain how sickening it is to see the Sooners indoctrinate their children when they take them to a Football Game.

Again....just another misplaced opinion about how to raise their children.

Do you all realize just how much of a Dirty nasty Liberal you sound like by complaining about how someone raises their child?

If they are putting them in danger...that's one thing. But...if it's about brainwashing we better start burning books again.

Craziest **** I ever heard.

[StoopTroup]

Mama...I know watching Fox opinion pieces that they have been hacking together look bad but just take it easy a bit....they want you to go over the edge. Those folks aren't doing anything to your kids and if they were doing anything wrong...Human Services should be around just as soon as Scott quits screwing around with their collective bargaining....lol

[StoopTroup]

Remember...Fox does 90% opinion pieces and around 10% News anymore.

Watch to much and they'll brainwash you and your kids.....lol

[soonercruiser]

Keep spewing the LW talking points of the Alinskyian elitists there Stoop!
You have memorize it sooooooo well. :rolleyes:

[MamaMia]

[QUOTE=StoopTroup;3173988]

"Exactly" the same!
Unbelievable! :rolleyes:
When will the Wisconsin union teacher thugs offer the kids the Koolaid so there won't be any kids to teach?
It's an American Jonesville!

How low can they STOOP??
:D

I didn't say it was exactly the same. Just so you know soonercruiser. That was Stoop. Hes wrong.

[StoopTroup]

Also if you listen to Megan Kelly...she never said the law teaches the benefit of Unions...just the History....as it is a part of our Countries History.

[StoopTroup]

Mama...have you ever been to a Union Meeting?

[MamaMia]

I've heard pokes complain how sickening it is to see the Sooners indoctrinate their children when they take them to a Football Game.

Again....just another misplaced opinion about how to raise their children.

Do you all realize just how much of a Dirty nasty Liberal you sound like by complaining about how someone raises their child?

If they are putting them in danger...that's one thing. But...if it's about brainwashing we better start burning books again.

Craziest **** I ever heard.Those people are raising their kids. They're lowering them. :D

[Aldebaran]

The same thing goes for people who take their kids to Church, if you think about it. Distorting their impressionable sense of reality with ludicrous stories about horsemen of the apocalypse and eating/drinking the body of baby Jesus. I guess it's not real cannibalism if you're just pretending and it's a supposed omnipotent supreme being that can't die again. It's still a little creepy.

[MamaMia]

People who take their kids to ball games and church aren't USING them.

[StoopTroup]

Those people are raising their kids. They're lowering them. :D

I think you meant aren't?

I think it's a lot better than seeing someone take their kids to a ball game slam a bunch of beers in front of them and then get in a fight with a guy who screamed about his favorite players sucking....then getting behind the wheel of his car and having his Wife come get the kid because he's in jail for his 3rd DUI.

You're blowing it out of proportion because you think the teachers should lay down and die about something they believe in.

[StoopTroup]

People who take their kids to ball games and church aren't USING them.

I'm sure you are right...

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[StoopTroup]

BTW....you and I should probably replace Al and Traber on the Animal. Think we'd really have a youtube following....lol

[Aldebaran]

Woah, I thought God only hated fags. This whole thing about enablers is entirely new information!

[MamaMia]

Stoop, you are so twisted.

Oh...and I would so be signing more autographs than you if we had a show.:P

[olevetonahill]

Woah, I thought God only hated fags. This whole thing about enablers is entirely new information!

He dont much care fer women who dont know their place either :pop:

[MamaMia]

BTW....you and I should probably replace Al and Traber on the Animal. Think we'd really have a youtube following....lol

Oh...and I think you mean Hannity and Colmes. Funny how Colmes is gone now, huh? :D

[StoopTroup]

Stoop, you are so twisted.

Oh...and I would so be signing more autographs than you if we had a show.:P

LMAO....you might be right. It's hard for me to sign autographs with Hooters girls on my lap. :D

[StoopTroup]

Oh...and I think you mean Hannity and Colmes. Funny how Colmes is gone now, huh? :D

Yeah but he looks really rich now. I bet he's can't believe they paid him for so long.

[StoopTroup]

He dont much care fer women who dont know their place either :pop:

You better lay off Cruiser....

[MamaMia]

LMAO....you might be right. It's hard for me to sign autographs with Hooters girls on my lap. :D
Okay but I get some of those male dancers. :D

[StoopTroup]

Okay but I get some of those male dancers. :D

Deal. STEP and Howzit would love to be a part of History I bet. :D

[MamaMia]

Mama...have you ever been to a Union Meeting?Yes. I went to a couple with my cousin who worked for GM. Why?

Plus, my father worked for F.A.A. for 30 years or so, when we were all growing up. He started out being an Air Traffic Controller.

[StoopTroup]

Yes. I went to a couple with my cousin who worked for GM. Why?

Plus, my father worked for F.A.A. for 30 years or so, when we were all growing up. He started out being an Air Traffic Controller.

Well then if you know about the ATC and the meetings....you know they don't really accomplish squat. I've taken both my kids to one and they like going for the free popcorn and the sodas. That's about why most of the rst of them are there for too. To get a bit of that dues back one pop at a time or get a free t-shirt....lol

[MamaMia]

Well then if you know about the ATC and the meetings....you know they don't really accomplish squat. I've taken both my kids to one and they like going for the free popcorn and the sodas. That's about why most of the rst of them are there for too. To get a bit of that dues back one pop at a time or get a free t-shirt....lolI never went to any of Daddy's union meetings. I don't even know if they had any, but I do think they were unionized. I did go to all the Frontier City Picnics they put on for us in the summer. They would even pay for all my friends to come along. Thank you tax payers. :P

[hawaii 5-0]

I don't think the citizens of Wisconsin want to impeach Gov. Walker. They just want to get the petition going to recall him.

Of course, if he continues his usurption of power they very well might impreach him once the state legislatures return to the Democrats.

Wisconsin is 1/3 Dem, 1/3 Repub and 1/3 Indy. It's the Indies that have seen the wool pulled over their eyes and they're not happy.

5-0

[Leroy Lizard]

Allowing kids to be a part of the political process is good IMO. The earlier the better.

I can see how maybe a bit of it can be viewed as one sided but I don't see it being harmful to teach kids they have the right to Freedom of Speech and to protest something they don't like.

It would have been better if you had simply said that some teachers go a little overboard when it comes to campaigning, because there really is no reasonable defense for using children in this manner. Children form a captive audience and are minors, so for a teacher to involve them in a political campaign like this is abuse of power. Even worse, these students are not the teacher's children, so for the teacher to try and mold their political opinions is way out of bounds.

To compare this to using children in tv commercials is downright bizarre, to the point where I don't even think you believe it yourself.

[MamaMia]

Only 14.2% of the workforce in Wisconsin are unionized. Walker cant be recalled until 2012. Things will calm down by then. The positive results of Walkers actions will override the negativity. Once the dust settles, the majority of Wisconsin's will realize the he made the right decisions, however tough.

[StoopTroup]

It would have been better if you had simply said that some teachers go a little overboard when it comes to campaigning, because there really is no reasonable defense for using children in this manner. Children form a captive audience and are minors, so for a teacher to involve them in a political campaign like this is abuse of power. Even worse, these students are not the teacher's children, so for the teacher to try and mold their political opinions is way out of bounds.

To compare this to using children in tv commercials is downright bizarre, to the point where I don't even think you believe it yourself.

Why didn't you just say that if you believe that leroid?

Why point out my opinion is flawed act continue to try and act superior?

You know your a **** stirring **** sucker who avoids any substantial opinions of your own. You do have the ability to lock on to good people and edit their words and then plagiarize their posts as your own.

Nice job.

[StoopTroup]

Only 14.2% of the workforce in Wisconsin are unionized. Walker cant be recalled until 2012. Things will calm down by then. The positive results of Walkers actions will override the negativity. Once the dust settles, the majority of Wisconsin's will realize the he made the right decisions, however tough.

Funny how you throw numbers around....

Yeah your right if 14% of the workforce is union...it would seem Gov. Walkers has them dead to rights long term. Thing is this thread had you concerned that children were being indoctrinated into the Teachers Union Collective. The thing I think you miss is the power of voters. If you ostracize everyone of the 14% you may find there might suddenly be a difference in number of workforce to actual voters. What could just as easily happen down the road is yes he gets what he wants...but what he's done better save the damn State. Those 14% of the workforce that you dismiss have become substantial numbers at the polls more than once in America's history. I wouldn't be so sure this will calm down over time. I think he's created a huge ****hole and people won't forget the stink on their shoes unless he is able to expand on making the educational system better for their children. I'd say he just made it worse for kids there and for no reason other than he could.

We will see how it pans out....I bet he's done.

[MamaMia]

Funny how you throw numbers around....

Yeah your right if 14% of the workforce is union...it would seem Gov. Walkers has them dead to rights long term. Thing is this thread had you concerned that children were being indoctrinated into the Teachers Union Collective. The thing I think you miss is the power of voters. If you ostracize everyone of the 14% you may find there might suddenly be a difference in number of workforce to actual voters. What could just as easily happen down the road is yes he gets what he wants...but what he's done better save the damn State. Those 14% of the workforce that you dismiss have become substantial numbers at the polls more than once in America's history. I wouldn't be so sure this will calm down over time. I think he's created a huge ****hole and people won't forget the stink on their shoes unless he is able to expand on making the educational system better for their children. I'd say he just made it worse for kids there and for no reason other than he could.

We will see how it pans out....I bet he's done. Read up on how unionizing teachers make it worse for children.

http://www.teachersunionexposed.com/protecting.cfm

[bonkuba]

Honestly.....is there really a reason for Unions? Seriously, it's like putting your money into a PacMan arcade game....sure it's fun but you ultimately give your money for nothing.......well other than some really cool sounds and lights :D

[StoopTroup]

Honestly.....is there really a reason for Unions? Seriously, it's like putting your money into a PacMan arcade game....sure it's fun but you ultimately give your money for nothing.......well other than some really cool sounds and lights :D

Probably not. But...is there a reason for Professional Associations either?

[Midtowner]

Honestly.....is there really a reason for Unions?

Absolutely. Anecdotally speaking, my mother is a teacher. She's an excellent teacher, has her Master's, is National Board Certified, teaches plenty of AP. At one time, she had a principal who was basically squandering her talents. Though she was national board certified in one subject, she wasn't being allowed to teach it because she was certified in another area. So was another teacher who wasn't national board certified. The Union Rep came in and mediated the matter and achieved a satisfactory outcome.

Also, unions provide teachers representation in termination proceedings or in legal proceedings where some parent is suing the teacher for not treating their little hellion with kid gloves.

I don't actually know too many union members who would prefer not to have their unions.

Professional associations are nice too. I really appreciate having the Bar Association over my profession. I'm glad someone is there to help the Supreme Court regulate the profession.

[Midtowner]

The same thing goes for people who take their kids to Church, if you think about it. Distorting their impressionable sense of reality with ludicrous stories about horsemen of the apocalypse and eating/drinking the body of baby Jesus. I guess it's not real cannibalism if you're just pretending and it's a supposed omnipotent supreme being that can't die again. It's still a little creepy.

I was thinking the same thing. Everyone indoctrinates their children. If these kids later receive a decent enough education, they will learn to think for themselves. At which point, of course, they will be pro-union and think ObamaCare is ducky.:D

[StoopTroup]

I think we have seen folks take a shot at atty', Doctors, Unions and teachers and even people feeling good about sending a few bucks Japan's way....

Maybe we should start making a list of everything we want to just get rid of....then we will all feel better....

[sappstuf]

Honestly.....is there really a reason for Unions? Seriously, it's like putting your money into a PacMan arcade game....sure it's fun but you ultimately give your money for nothing.......well other than some really cool sounds and lights :D

For Dems there is a huge reason... $$$$$

Here are the top fifteen political donors as of Feb 2011

ActBlue: $51 million
AT&T: $46 million
AFSCME: $43 million
National Association of Realtors: $38 million
Goldman Sachs: $33 million
American Association for Justice: $33 million
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers: $33 million
National Education Association: $32 million
Laborers Union: $30 million
Teamsters Union: $30 million
Carpenters & Joiners Union: $29 million
Service Employees International Union: $29 million
American Federation of Teachers: $29 million
Communications Workers of America: $29 million
Citigroup Inc: $29 million

Or put another way..


Democratic/Union Goon proxy: $51 million
Death Star, Inc.: $46 million
Union Goons (public sector): $43 million
The Committee to Re-Inflate the Bubble by Electing Democrats: $38 million
The Bankers Who Elected Barack Obama: $33 million
Democratic trial lawyers: $33 million
Union Goons: $33 million
Union Goons (public sector): $32 million
Union Goons: $30 million
Union Goons: $30 million
Union Goons: $29 million
Union Goons: (public sector) $29 million
Union Goons: $28 million
Union Goons: $28 million
Bankers that support both sides: $28 million

[StoopTroup]

Of course all the folks who give to the Pubs are from Disneyland

[JohnnyMack]

I thought this thread was gonna be about religion.

Bummer.

[KantoSooner]

Stoop,
Of course not. Most of the biggest donors to the Republicans are, I assume, wealthy individuals and large corporations who want to elect people they hope will support them and grant them access when it comes time for special pleading. Not that that is necessarily a cross section of Republicans, but it's probabaly not far off for the big donore

Here's the difference: the individuals are doing what they want with their own money. The corporate bosses who approve the donations are answerable to their shareholders. In both cases, the money is being used in ways approved of by those who earn it.
In the case of government employee unions, there is no choice. You want to work for the government? You join the union. Then the union tells you how much in dues you owe. Then they go spend it on, mostly Democratic political campaigns. So, you've got public money being siphoned off without the choice or input of the employees earning it going into a political campaign kitty that is expressly in place to elect only candidates from one party.

Basically tax dollars drawn from the population as a whole being taken by fiat to benefit one party.

I believe it was FDR who said that public unions were disgusting and unthinkable. A rare moment of sanity for him.