The Fab 5

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

Anyone else just watch it on ESPN? Great documentary, gained a lot of respect for 4 of the 5... lost a lot for the remaining one, and I was a Kings fan back in the day :(

[sooneron]

Does this mean you lost respect for C-Web?

[soonervegas]

I watched it. Hated them in the early 90's......still hate them. Never won any title NCAA or Big 10 and years later get their final fours stripped.

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

Does this mean you lost respect for C-Web?
It does, I mean I always thought he was a bit of a punk but...no balls either.

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

I watched it. Hated them in the early 90's......still hate them. Never won any title NCAA or Big 10 and years later get their final fours stripped.
I don't understand why they gave them a 10 year no contact ban in 2003...I mean I know thats when the investigation wrapped up but that just didnt seem necessary for something that happened 12 years prior.

[Mongo]

The Fab 5 are in favor of Manning's current prison conditions

[sooneron]

One of 'em just called "time" !!! :D

[Mongo]

I do thank the fab for getting rid of the coochie cutter shorts.

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

The Fab 5 are in favor of Manning's current prison conditions
You can only dream

[Mongo]

Why? They proved they were racists by their opinions of Duke. Why not be in favor of solitary?:D

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

Why? They proved they were racists by their opinions of Duke. Why not be in favor of solitary?:D
So...all these people arguing against me are racist? :pop:

[Mongo]

No, you are just a god damned idiot:D

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

No, you are just a god damned idiot:D
But at least I'm not racist :D

[Mongo]

Weber declined to participate in this show.

What a *****

[2121Sooner]

Lot of respect for Jalen Rose with his honesty on the program

Good show

[HBick]

I would of liked to see this, unfortunately I was detained with a family matter. I'll definitely be watching it online as soon as I can find it.

[AlboSooner]

They never gave credit or barely gave credit to those teams who beat them.

Rose made this comment: Can you tell me what was the starting line-up in that Carolina team that beat us? Everybody remembers the Fab 5.

Well Rose, at Carolina they would much rather win the NC, hang on to the banner, than to have a fab five land them in trouble for two decades. That NC is forever enshrined as North Carolina's, while Michigan has yet to recover from the behavior of the Fab 5.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Wow, an ESPN documentary overstating a team/players influence in their sport? Never

[Veritas]

Loved those guys back in the day. Still like them.

The Fab Five, love them or hate them, were epic and they changed college basketball forever.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

See...I don't get how they were such a big influence on basketball...

[cantwait48]

there is some deal on hbo about the runnin rebs

[Veritas]

The documentary about the Fab Five just highlights what an exploitative racket the NCAA runs.

The kids who took money from rich booster are the scapegoats. But I don't see Michigan giving back the millions of dollars made from merchandise sales. Don't see them tearing down the buildings built from the donations made during the period when Michigan was kicking *** at basketball.

College athletics, particularly basketball and football, and you all know I love football, make millions for everyone involved but the players. I have family members who sacrificed their bodies for the Huskers, and to a one they're still paying the physical price required to wear the scarlet and cream. I know that you guys have friends that did the same for the Sooners. It's bull**** that they get nothing out of it. "Free" education doesn't count, because they pay more than a guy like me who was on full brain scholie ever will.

[AlboSooner]

See...I don't get how they were such a big influence on basketball...

longer gym shorts I guess make a ton of difference

[stoops the eternal pimp]

And to us on our team in that time, Arkansas had more of an impact on the longer shorts than michigan...

[texaspokieokie]

i dislike the longer shorts.
they look really stupid on guys.
i dislike them more on girls.

it would help attendance figures for the girls if they wore shorter shorts.
would be especially helpful in WNBA.
maybe not, who cares that much about tall skinny girls ?

[Mongo]

i dislike the longer shorts.
they look really stupid on guys.
i dislike them more on girls.

it would help attendance figures for the girls if they wore shorter shorts.
would be especially helpful in WNBA.
maybe not, who cares that much about tall skinny girls ?

No, not the WNBA. Their dicks would flop out the bottom of the shorts

[OUMallen]

Grant Hill is awesome.


Grant Hill’s Response to Jalen Rose
By GRANT HILL

“The Fab Five,” an ESPN film about the Michigan basketball careers of Jalen Rose, Juwan Howard, Chris Webber, Jimmy King and Ray Jackson from 1991 to 1993, was broadcast for the first time Sunday night. In the show, Rose, the show’s executive producer, stated that Duke recruited only black players he considered to be “Uncle Toms.” Grant Hill, a player on the Duke team that beat Michigan in the 1992 Final Four, reflected on Rose’s comments.

I am a fan, friend and longtime competitor of the Fab Five. I have competed against Jalen Rose and Chris Webber since the age of 13. At Michigan, the Fab Five represented a cultural phenomenon that impacted the country in a permanent and positive way. The very idea of the Fab Five elicited pride and promise in much the same way the Georgetown teams did in the mid-1980s when I was in high school and idolized them. Their journey from youthful icons to successful men today is a road map for so many young, black men (and women) who saw their journey through the powerful documentary, “The Fab Five.”

It was a sad and somewhat pathetic turn of events, therefore, to see friends narrating this interesting documentary about their moment in time and calling me a bitch and worse, calling all black players at Duke “Uncle Toms” and, to some degree, disparaging my parents for their education, work ethic and commitment to each other and to me. I should have guessed there was something regrettable in the documentary when I received a Twitter apology from Jalen before its premiere. I am aware Jalen has gone to some length to explain his remarks about my family in numerous interviews, so I believe he has some admiration for them.

In his garbled but sweeping comment that Duke recruits only “black players that were ‘Uncle Toms,’ ” Jalen seems to change the usual meaning of those very vitriolic words into his own meaning, i.e., blacks from two-parent, middle-class families. He leaves us all guessing exactly what he believes today.

I am beyond fortunate to have two parents who are still working well into their 60s. They received great educations and use them every day. My parents taught me a personal ethic I try to live by and pass on to my children.

I come from a strong legacy of black Americans. My namesake, Henry Hill, my father’s father, was a day laborer in Baltimore. He could not read or write until he was taught to do so by my grandmother. His first present to my dad was a set of encyclopedias, which I now have. He wanted his only child, my father, to have a good education, so he made numerous sacrifices to see that he got an education, including attending Yale.

This is part of our great tradition as black Americans. We aspire for the best or better for our children and work hard to make that happen for them. Jalen’s mother is part of our great black tradition and made the same sacrifices for him.

My teammates at Duke — all of them, black and white — were a band of brothers who came together to play at the highest level for the best coach in basketball. I know most of the black players who preceded and followed me at Duke. They all contribute to our tradition of excellence on the court.

It is insulting and ignorant to suggest that men like Johnny Dawkins (coach at Stanford), Tommy Amaker (coach at Harvard), Billy King (general manager of the Nets), Tony Lang (coach of the Mitsubishi Diamond Dolphins in Japan), Thomas Hill (small-business owner in Texas), Jeff Capel (former coach at Oklahoma and Virginia Commonwealth), Kenny Blakeney (assistant coach at Harvard), Jay Williams (ESPN analyst), Shane Battier (Memphis Grizzlies) and Chris Duhon (Orlando Magic) ever sold out their race.

To hint that those who grew up in a household with a mother and father are somehow less black than those who did not is beyond ridiculous. All of us are extremely proud of the current Duke team, especially Nolan Smith. He was raised by his mother, plays in memory of his late father and carries himself with the pride and confidence that they instilled in him.

The sacrifice, the effort, the education and the friendships I experienced in my four years are cherished. The many Duke graduates I have met around the world are also my “family,” and they are a special group of people. A good education is a privilege.

Just as Jalen has founded a charter school in Michigan, we are expected to use our education to help others, to improve life for those who need our assistance and to use the excellent education we have received to better the world.

A highlight of my time at Duke was getting to know the great John Hope Franklin, John B. Duke Professor of History and the leading scholar of the last century on the total history of African-Americans in this country. His insights and perspectives contributed significantly to my overall development and helped me understand myself, my forefathers and my place in the world.

Ad ingenium faciendum, toward the building of character, is a phrase I recently heard. To me, it is the essence of an educational experience. Struggling, succeeding, trying again and having fun within a nurturing but competitive environment built character in all of us, including every black graduate of Duke.

My mother always says, “You can live without Chaucer and you can live without calculus, but you cannot make it in the wide, wide world without common sense.” As we get older, we understand the importance of these words. Adulthood is nothing but a series of choices: you can say yes or no, but you cannot avoid saying one or the other. In the end, those who are successful are those who adjust and adapt to the decisions they have made and make the best of them.

I caution my fabulous five friends to avoid stereotyping me and others they do not know in much the same way so many people stereotyped them back then for their appearance and swagger. I wish for you the restoration of the bond that made you friends, brothers and icons.

I am proud of my family. I am proud of my Duke championships and all my Duke teammates. And, I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five.

Grant Henry Hill
Phoenix Suns
Duke ‘94

[stoopified]

Its the FAB FOUR,get it right......Stu Sutcliffe was a poser. :Ds

[stoops the eternal pimp]

grant is da man

[royalfan5]

Yep, still don't like Duke.