Major NCAA bomb dropping on PAC-10 School??????

[SoonerDan74012]

Hearing it's possibly Oregon. Stay tuned!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stoopified]

That would Quack me up. :)

[OUMallen]

Hearing it's possibly Oregon. Stay tuned!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHere you hearing from?

[OKLA21FAN]

Hearing it's possibly Oregon. Stay tuned!!!!!!!!!!!!

CONCLUSIVE? :pop:

[SoonerDan74012]

WHere you hearing from?

Couple of people. It all started with Cowturd today on his show but wasn't really specific on who it would be but it is MAJOR!!!!!!

[ouduckhunter]

No chit??? If so, this could be a happy day!!

Guess that I had better turn on my local sports talk radio, and see what those guys are saying!

[OUMallen]

No chit??? If so, this could be a happy day!!

Guess that I had better turn on my local sports talk radio, and see what those guys are saying!

I'll only be happy if it's sCam Newton.

[Mississippi Sooner]

I won't believe a word of it til we hear from oudavid.

[SoonerDan74012]

Think of SMU DEATH PENALTY MAJOR! Names, receipts, you name it!

[ouduckhunter]

The only free quack quasi-forum that I have ever found is with a local sports writer, Rob Moseley, for the Eugene newspaper @ registerguard.com. I took a quick glance at it, and didn't see anything posted there yet. I'll have to check a few other places out real quickly too.

[OUthunder]

As Phil Knight would say..."Just Do It."

[sappstuf]

Does it have anything to do with a ref and a certain onside kick?

[rekamrettuB]

Would not be surprising if true. Some folks w/ a crap ton of money think they are bullet proof and don't care who's life they will destroy in their wake.

[ouduckhunter]

Did he say if it was for football? I think last year Oreygone's basketball program getting investigated for some possible violations.

[Soonerfan88]

Pure speculation at this point. Cowturd said he was told a major NCAA team was about to be hit by the NCAA. Someone else said it was a top-10 PAC-10 team and that only means Oregon.


I'll believe it when I actually see it --- just like $Cam and Auburn.

[usaosooner]

Oregon,Tennessee, Cal are the leaders in the clubhouse

If it was OU the NCAA would have dragged it out during the practice fiasco, those sobs are thorough. Just got to sit back & watch now

[SoonerDan74012]

This was found on a Miami board a few weeks back and looks like this is what will be dropping. Now it doesn't name any particular school but the most recent info out there is saying that it's a PAC-10 school that USC is familiar with and it's a top 10-15 program.



LilDeuceCoupe said...

There was some talk of this last week on the Miami board. After doing some research, it appears Tennessee served up Kiffin's head on a platter to save themselves. I don't think it's Tenn.

This is something I found last week. So a D-1 school that no one would suspect... is about to get their isht pushed in for cheating. This was posted by Bill Greene who is a Recruiting Analyst for Scout. There is a major news outlet that is on the verge of publishing a report that will blow the lid off a major D-I program, and not a school many would suspect................ They are inches away from having all they need to go on it. I would expect something before summer and it will be a bombshell, with names-dates-amounts. This won't be a message board blog, but rather, a huge news story. But to publish something like that, you better have your facts right. I think they've got it...............

Bill Greene :: Ohio Recruiting Analyst

[ouduckhunter]

Intriguing!! Thanks for the info!

[KantoSooner]

Wouldn't it be funny if it was colorado? I know, I know, they're nowhere near the top ten. but it would still be funny if they got bombed before playing their first conference game.

[Mississippi Sooner]

I don't think it will be anything SMU-like. Remember, they got the death penalty for being a blatant repeat offender. But, it would be hilarious to have two schools in the Pac-whatever to be on major probation at the same time.

[sooner59]

If it is Oregon, I'll giggle like a school girl.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Well, the last 2010 Ranking had Oregon and Stanford in the Top 10...

[SoonerDan74012]

Chip Brown of Orangebloods is saying Oregon. I know, I know, he's a * blowhard but he has connections.

[KantoSooner]

As much as it would thrill me to watch Oregon stripped naked, and paraded through the streets covered with hot tar and chicken feathers, I am cautious.
Only weeks ago we were treated to the story of a Texas scandal that would rock the city of Austin to its roots. Venal, ethically dead players, conniving coaches, underaged girls being forced to do things one normally sees only in foreign porn flicks; it was all there, all happening. To Texas.
And then, nothing. And I'd already bought my sparklers, champagne and schadenfreude-suede pants. And then, nothing.
Bah! A pox on your houses, off-season sports radio whores!

[cantwait48]

"a PAC-10 school that USC is familiar with"
would they not be familiar with all pac 1o schools?

"and not a school many would suspect"
this would make me think it is not Oregon, I think everyone suspects those bastards cheat

[CincySooner]

where are you getting that it's a PAC10 school. All I've heard is that it is a "school no one suspects".

[SoonerDan74012]

Slick Rick and UCLA perhaps? Lol!

[BoulderSooner79]

Slick Rick wouldn't surprise anyone and it's been a looong time since UCLA has been a top program.

[Flagstaffsooner]

Oregon. "Surprise, surprise surprise!"
http://www.tvparty.com/bgifs/gomer1.jpg

[ouduckhunter]

If it is Oregon, I'll giggle like a school girl.

I already am!! ;)

[badger]

Soooo... which card from their stacked deck will the guilty Pac-10 school play from their hand?

1- "I wasn't aware this was a violation!"

2- "This happened under a previous coach or administration!"

3- "We are punishing ourselves enough already!"

4- "We are fully cooperating... oh wait, no we aren't. Find the info yourselves if you dare try, NCAA. tee hee."

5- "PLEASE be lenient! PLEASE!"

Each card has been played by different schools, sometimes with complete success, sometimes partial success or at least delayed punishment, and sometimes, complete failure.

[ouduckhunter]

"a PAC-10 school that USC is familiar with"
would they not be familiar with all pac 1o schools?

"and not a school many would suspect"
this would make me think it is not Oregon, I think everyone suspects those bastards cheat

True dat! I'm excited about the possibilities, but Oregune really is too obvious of a choice. However, maybe a former Quack like Masoli went off and did some whistle blowing?? He was a loser, and even though they gave him every opportunity to excell there, he was probably still mad about getting thrown off the team. It will definitely be interesting to see how this plays out.

[AlboSooner]

The NCAA will never hand out the death penalty again.

[soonergirlNeugene]

:pop:

[salth2o]

The NCAA will never hand out the death penalty again.

This ^^^

[SoonerDan74012]

Oregon Ducks just now added themselves as a follower on my twitter account. Lol.

[REDREX]

You know that since USC got stuck they will turn everyone else in---It happens every time

[SoonerDan74012]

It's indeed Oregon!!!!!

http://www.wildwestsports.com/Discussion/Board/Football/Post/View/1069750/thats-bc-oregon-is-working-with-the-street-agent

[Leroy Lizard]

Auburn: Okay, we give up the BCS title. Here you go, Oregon.

Oregon: We can't accept it either. Who was third?

[sooner59]

Tubberville wants it down in Lubbock.

[BoulderSooner79]

Auburn: Okay, we give up the BCS title. Here you go, Oregon.

Oregon: We can't accept it either. Who was third?

Wazzou gets their flag aired on college game day.

[Leroy Lizard]

Soooo... which card from their stacked deck will the guilty Pac-10 school play from their hand?

1- "I wasn't aware this was a violation!"

More like "We were aware it was a violation, but we never bothered to tell any of our players. So it's all good, right?"

[MeMyself&Me]

The NCAA will never hand out the death penalty again.

I Oregon on probation already? As I understand the death penalty rule, they'd already have to be on probation for something else so unless they're already on probation, the death penalty wouldn't even be applicable.

[sooner518]

im not believing anything til the NCAA hands down the punishment.

what is the nature of these "violations"? what player(s) does it supposedly involve?

seems very nebulous at this point.

[I Am Right]

Are they going to finally review the OU vs Oregon refs?

[sendbaht]

Maybe more for usc...... since they started to stirr the pile again they will wish they just keep to themselfs and took what they had coming. Will I can dream.

[SoonerDan74012]

im not believing anything til the NCAA hands down the punishment.

what is the nature of these "violations"? what player(s) does it supposedly involve?

seems very nebulous at this point.

Sports Illustrated will be dropping a really big story tomorrow about the Oregon football program using a street agent named Baron Cortez Flenory Jr to land recruits. One of those recruits was Anthony Wallace who OU was in on. Apparently other programs will be named in the investigation but won't know until tomorrow.

[sooner518]

Sports Illustrated will be dropping a really big story tomorrow about the Oregon football program using a street agent named Baron Cortez Flenory Jr to land recruits. One of those recruits was Anthony Wallace who OU was in on. Apparently other programs will be named in the investigation but won't know until tomorrow.

just curious, does this imply that the school is paying the agent, or the agent is paying the athlete or what? recruits have had these "advisors" or "family friends" or "uncles" or "street agents" forever. The presence of one doesnt seem like a violation, so what is the actual violation?

[ouduckhunter]

I was just listening to 1080 The Fan, a Portland sports radio station, and this guy Flenory's name came up. According to The Fan, the university knows nothing about a NCAA investigation. The Fan speculates that if anything is going on, it is more along the lines of a journalistic investigative report and just rumors at this point. They further stressed that many times the reports of misconduct in these reports are never proven, etc. etc. They mentioned Flenory's ties to Chip Kelly and also mentioned three players names in particular that seemed to be getting a lot of interest. One was Tajh Boyd, who was mentioned in the link, and two other players out of Texas. I think they said that both of them signed with the Quacks, and one was either named Lake or went to a school with Lake in the name.

Coincidentally, today's program had a lot of college football related guests on it, so they asked each guest if they had heard any rumors about an investigation, etc. Nobody fessed up to hearing anything, but one of the USuC beat writers did say that anytime you have a top 10 program, that you have really got to watch the boosters, hangers on, etc. because everybody wants to be connected with a good program, yada, yada, and that is what will bring a program down. He seemed to be implying that USuC was victimized by outside forces, ha ha!!

[SoonerDan74012]

just curious, does this imply that the school is paying the agent, or the agent is paying the athlete or what? recruits have had these "advisors" or "family friends" or "uncles" or "street agents" forever. The presence of one doesnt seem like a violation, so what is the actual violation?

We won't really know until tomorrow but according to this guy over on a website called oregonlive.com the NCAA will have no choice but to investigate.


From what I've heard, there is no NCAA investigation of Oregon yet; however, there will be one after the SI story comes out.
Although the story centers around the Ducks, it will also briefly implicate other programs.

[northspeter]

I was just listening to 1080 The Fan, a Portland sports radio station, and this guy Flenory's name came up. According to The Fan, the university knows nothing about a NCAA investigation. The Fan speculates that if anything is going on, it is more along the lines of a journalistic investigative report and just rumors at this point. They further stressed that many times the reports of misconduct in these reports are never proven, etc. etc. They mentioned Flenory's ties to Chip Kelly and also mentioned three players names in particular that seemed to be getting a lot of interest. One was Tajh Boyd, who was mentioned in the link, and two other players out of Texas. I think they said that both of them signed with the Quacks, and one was either named Lake or went to a school with Lake in the name.

Coincidentally, today's program had a lot of college football related guests on it, so they asked each guest if they had heard any rumors about an investigation, etc. Nobody fessed up to hearing anything, but one of the USuC beat writers did say that anytime you have a top 10 program, that you have really got to watch the boosters, hangers on, etc. because everybody wants to be connected with a good program, yada, yada, and that is what will bring a program down. He seemed to be implying that USuC was victimized by outside forces, ha ha!!

anthony wallace and lache seastrunk...

[SoonerMom2]

The tip off it was a PAC 10 school came when they said it was a school that had not been in trouble before that was in the top 10 to 15 which leaves Stanford and Oregon. The rest of us have been in trouble at one time or another for violations.

[Rocko]

A little confused. Because this agent was affiliated with OU at one point, we could possibly get investigated?

[SoonerDan74012]

A little confused. Because this agent was affiliated with OU at one point, we could possibly get investigated?

OU was in on Anthony Wallace and that quote I posted says that the investigative article will implicate other programs but mainly Oregon.

[Leroy Lizard]

Sports Illustrated will be dropping a really big story tomorrow about the Oregon football program using a street agent named Baron Cortez Flenory Jr.

That alone should be a violation of some sort.

[47straight]

They further stressed that many times the reports of misconduct in these reports are never proven, etc. etc.

The Dallas Morning News and other media outlets did SMU in.

[EatLeadCommie]

How ironic that Oregon may be hit with the sanctions after all while Auburn walks away.

[usaosooner]

Quack,Quack,Quack

[stoopified]

Tubberville wants it down in Lubbock. Tubberville is outta luck,obviously the NC goes to Bama.

[bluedogok]

Maybe more for usc...... since they started to stirr the pile again they will wish they just keep to themselfs and took what they had coming. Will I can dream.
So USC should be like Kevin Bacon....

Thank you sir, may I have another?
qdFLPn30dvQ

[finster]

PAC10 University of Washington President Mark Emmert is the NCAA head http://i54.tinypic.com/20rkbhv.jpg
F**kin Mark Emmert

[NorCal Sooner]

I call BS on this. We have heard nothing about Oregon for the past few months and all of a sudden this big bomb is going to drop... I don't think so. Something might come out but it will not be earth shattering..

[NOVSooner]

This is all i found this morning, and it doesn't appear to be Oregon. However, since kiffin was coach at tennessee, would we really be that surprised if it were them?

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/01/cowherd-major-program-to-be-outed-for-major-recruiting-violations/

[LRoss]

Is this it?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/the_bonus/02/27/cfb.crime/index.html?eref=sihp

Big cnnsi.com lead "special report" article about how most schools don't do background checks on recruits. Not really that shocking to me (or probably you) when they say that 7% of recruits have been charged with something or another.

The closest thing to a school being "singled-out" is Pitt, which gets a lot of press in the article, and there's a table that lists the number of players who had been charged and their corresponding pre-season rank, where Pitt leads in players charged. OU's mentioned twice -- once as, along with TCU, the only 2 schools in the top 25 who DO perform background checks on recruits, and once in the table, where we're tied for 7th (in the "bad" way) by having 9 players charged. FWIW, TCU is the only school with 0 players charged.

Really, if this is it, the rumors were (shocking, eh?) WAY out of proportion. I don't see any NCAA penalties for anybody based on this. More schools doing background checks for better pr? Maybe. But that's about it.

[SoonerDan74012]

Is this it?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/the_bonus/02/27/cfb.crime/index.html?eref=sihp

Big cnnsi.com lead "special report" article about how most schools don't do background checks on recruits. Not really that shocking to me (or probably you) when they say that 7% of recruits have been charged with something or another.

The closest thing to a school being "singled-out" is Pitt, which gets a lot of press in the article, and there's a table that lists the number of players who had been charged and their corresponding pre-season rank, where Pitt leads in players charged. OU's mentioned twice -- once as, along with TCU, the only 2 schools in the top 25 who DO perform background checks on recruits, and once in the table, where we're tied for 7th (in the "bad" way) by having 9 players charged. FWIW, TCU is the only school with 0 players charged.

Really, if this is it, the rumors were (shocking, eh?) WAY out of proportion. I don't see any NCAA penalties for anybody based on this. More schools doing background checks for better pr? Maybe. But that's about it.

Cowturd duped us all again. After all that hard work I did to gather that info from other sites and this is what comes out? :(

[OULenexaman]

nothing to see here....

[sooner518]

Talk about a major bombshell. College football will never be the same.
/sarcasm

[NorCal Sooner]

Like I said yesterday, it would be nothing earth shattering, and it's not......

[badger]

Cowturd duped us all again. After all that hard work I did to gather that info from other sites and this is what comes out? :(

It happens to everyone. Don't feel too bad. Remember when Herbie was all over ESPN on the morning of the conference championship games saying that Lester was going to Meat Chicken, only for Les to call a presser announcing a contract extension at LSU? Pwn3d. :D

My guess is that there will be a story at some point on this, but that Oregano made a deal to keep the story shelved for a little bit longer... either a deal that favors SI (agreements to do interviews, provide documents, etc.) or a bad deal (threatening to file a lawsuit if they print info from sources they view as flawed).

In any event, if there's any truth to it, the story won't be shelved forever, regardless of deals or threats. This was a fun thread while it lasted :)

[SoonerDan74012]

This may not be over with folks. Sports by Brooks tweeted this a couple hours ago. Of course they mention Cowturd again. :rolleyes:


Mult. ESPN sources have now verified to me Cowherd was referencing Oregon as school to be 'outed very soon for major recruiting violations'

[Leroy Lizard]

Okay, so let me get this straight.

A sports writer is telling us that other sports writers are telling him that another sportswriter is saying that it's Oregon.

Do I have that right?

[OrlandoSooner]

STAB all over again.

[SoonerDan74012]

Okay, so let me get this straight.

A sports writer is telling us that other sports writers are telling him that another sportswriter is saying that it's Oregon.

Do I have that right?
Yup! Lol.

[NorCal Sooner]

Has anyone taken into account that Cowherd is an idiot?

[Bxbysooner]

is it possible that it could be Stanford??? That would be very surprising and could be a reason why Harbaugh left? But i could see Oregon that is why it wouldn't be that surprising

[Scott D]

Think of SMU DEATH PENALTY MAJOR! Names, receipts, you name it!

The NCAA has already been on record that they'll try to avoid ever doing that to a program again. In fact, the only program that has flirted with that possibility was Alabama in the time period since SMU got the 'Death Penalty'.

[sooner59]

Has anyone taken into account that Cowherd is an idiot?

True. That was a theory when he began his career. It has since been proven as a scientific law of nature that he is an idiot.

[ouduckhunter]

Cowgirl is definitely an idiot, but if this is all they've got, what a huge let down! I've gone from giddy to severe depression in less than 30 seconds. However, I like where Badger is going with this, and I'll keep my fingers crossed that Oreygoone had just bought some time on this, and that the proverbial sh*t will hit the fan soon! I can be patient! :D

[SoonerDan74012]

A little off topic but the audio of Cecil and Cam have surfaced.

http://auburngate.com/files/Memo_cleanup1.mp3

[Bama Yankee]

The NCAA has already been on record that they'll try to avoid ever doing that to a program again. In fact, the only program that has flirted with that possibility was Alabama in the time period since SMU got the 'Death Penalty'.

I wonder what would have happened if the NCAA had tried to give Alabama the Death Penalty. I bet the reaction from some Bama fans would have made Harvey Updyke look like Johnny Appleseed... :D

[badger]

Hunter - It was just a possibility, not that I've heard anything, just a hunch that if there was any legitimacy to this that Oregon did something to hold off the story.

But, let's face the facts, people. Eugene, Oregon has one thing going for it -- Nike. They have relatively slim tradition when it comes to football and they compete against sunny oceanfront California areas for sunny, oceanfront California recruits. They had to get an edge somehow, and I don't think it was the coaching change or the somewhat-success recently.

Was it all Nike and those weird arse uniforms? Hmm...

[badger]

I wonder what would have happened if the NCAA had tried to give Alabama the Death Penalty. I bet the reaction from some Bama fans would have made Harvey Updyke look like Johnny Appleseed... :D

Bammer, I'd have to assume that if your football program died, many of your fans would have as well, taking that "death penalty" a little too literally :(

[EatLeadCommie]

A little off topic but the audio of Cecil and Cam have surfaced.

http://auburngate.com/files/Memo_cleanup1.mp3

Is there a transcript for that? All I can really understand is something about it not being a fair price and to push it to 150.

[SoonerDan74012]

Is there a transcript for that? All I can really understand is something about it not being a fair price and to push it to 150.

I can't find a transcript but here's the same piece of audio but cleaned up much much more.

http://auburngate.com/files/Memo_cleanup5.mp3

[NormanPride]

On the off chance that it's legit, it's still just the dad calling in and asking for more money. Not the tape where it's mentioned that Cam is in the room.

This info has been out there for months and the NCAA has confirmed it exists. What is in question now is that there is a recording of Cam being mentioned as in the room during negotiations of price with MSU.

[TUSooner]

Cowturd duped us all again. After all that hard work I did to gather that info from other sites and this is what comes out? :(

Cowturd duped who? (IT's gonna be DEATH PENALTY BIG!!!! :eek: :eek:)


:rolleyes:

[SoonerDan74012]

Here's the audio cleaned up even more.

http://auburngate.com/files/Memo_cleanup6.mp3

[SoCaliSooner]

Here's the audio cleaned up even more.

http://auburngate.com/files/Memo_cleanup6.mp3
What's being said?

[SoonerDan74012]

What's being said?

Ok, I found the transcript of what is being said in the audio above.


Hey John this is C. We wanna come up there but uh, it's not gonna be free. We got 2 offers now and uh, two hunned thousand, from auburn. He wants to play here so uh (hey shut up, we're all good, they'll remember that). Excuse me John, he really wants to go up there, so uh, we'll give him to you for 150, he needs to go with a fair price, I just don't wanna give to you this free mule you know. We you get this uh, gimme a call back.

[Bxbysooner]

So Auburn gave them 200k?

[badger]

So Auburn gave them 200k?

What, do you think that's confetti's he's rolling in?
http://flynews.media.venturit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/auburn-wins-bcs-championship-lg-30.jpg

[sooner59]

Reggie Bush heard $200K and just laughed. Chump Change.

[texaspokieokie]

i don't know that Reggie B ever got more than 200k, his folks lived in an expensive home, but it wasn't theirs.

[Leroy Lizard]

Ok, I found the transcript of what is being said in the audio above.

[Auburn fan] I don't see what the big deal is. When he said 150, he meant $150. That's only a minor violation.[/Auburn fan]

[sooner59]

i don't know that Reggie B ever got more than 200k, his folks lived in an expensive home, but it wasn't theirs.

Bush's family got a $700K+ home. Probably more stuff went to ole Reggie on top of that.

[Scott D]

i don't know that Reggie B ever got more than 200k, his folks lived in an expensive home, but it wasn't theirs.

tricked out 64 Impala, free clothes, multiple stays in penthouse hotel rooms. And that was just the more widely known stuff.

[BoulderSooner79]

Bush's family got a $700K+ home. Probably more stuff went to ole Reggie on top of that.

They got to live there gratus for a while - it was a rental. But more perks than that, no doubt.

[bluedogok]

The NCAA has already been on record that they'll try to avoid ever doing that to a program again. In fact, the only program that has flirted with that possibility was Alabama in the time period since SMU got the 'Death Penalty'.
According to several interviews with Pat Jones OSU came pretty close during the Hart Lee Dykes debacle and the wrestling team came close according to this article in 2001 by Dennis Dodd (http://www.cbssports.com/u/ce/multi/0,1329,3372911_56,00.html) written about the Bama situation. It even has some quotes from everyone's favorite wannabe school president, David Swank.


Alabama was lauded by the NCAA for its cooperation on the basketball case that came on the heels of a 1995 football probation. But the NCAA can stop short of the full death penalty and still debilitate a program. SMU, on its own, decided on keeping the football program shut down for a second year in 1988. That same year Oklahoma State came perilously close to having its home conference games taken away. Because of Oklahoma State's cooperation and the fact the lost games would impact other Big Eight schools, the penalty was not applied.

"There's a menu there (for the NCAA)," Hilliard said. "You can get reduction of games. I would see more of a reduction of contests than a full application of the repeat violator rule. In the Oklahoma State case, the NCAA went to great lengths to explain what the penalty would have been and then explained what it was."

Oddly enough, the committee came closest to applying the death penalty to Oklahoma State's wrestling program, Swank said. Wide-ranging violations were discovered in the early 1990s.

"They came about as close as you can get to a death penalty case," he said. "After SMU that's probably the most serious case."

[Ruf/Nek7]

Does anyone else get the feeling that this could actually be about texass? In one of the posted links it says TCU fans will be very pleased. The only thing that makes sense to me is if this is against texass. TCU is easily the #2 football school in Texas and showed they are worthy of the best in Texas. If a major violation occured, who knows what the punishment would be. I feel that horn frogs would gather in some previous shorthorn locks.

Then again, they will all just go to OU:D

[Leroy Lizard]

Does anyone else get the feeling that this could actually be about texass? In one of the posted links it says TCU fans will be very pleased. The only thing that makes sense to me is if this is against texass. TCU is easily the #2 football school in Texas and showed they are worthy of the best in Texas. If a major violation occured, who knows what the punishment would be. I feel that horn frogs would gather in some previous shorthorn locks.

Then again, they will all just go to OU:D

If it said Sooner fans would be very pleased then... maybe.

[Dwight]

Does anyone else get the feeling that this could actually be about texass? In one of the posted links it says TCU fans will be very pleased. The only thing that makes sense to me is if this is against texass. TCU is easily the #2 football school in Texas and showed they are worthy of the best in Texas. If a major violation occured, who knows what the punishment would be. I feel that horn frogs would gather in some previous shorthorn locks.

Then again, they will all just go to OU:D

I think it said TCU would be very pleased because they have 0 players with a criminal record

[goss8572]

They are saying TCU would be pleased because they were undefeated. (Implying that perhaps they would be given the title were Auburn to get stripped of it).

[101sooner]

I think it's Boise State and it's real and it's gonna happen.

[sooner518]

i think its no one and this was a big stupid hoax.

[SoonerDan74012]

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!!!! YAHOO SPORTS DOES IT AGAIN!!!!!


Documents: Oregon paid pair with ties to recruits
Charles Robinson

By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports 35 minutes ago

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The University of Oregon paid more than $28,000 to two men with ties to multiple recruits who signed letters of intent with the school, Yahoo! Sports has learned.

According to State of Oregon expenditure records, the university paid $25,000 to Will Lyles of Complete Scouting Services in Houston, and $3,745 to Baron Flenory of New Level Athletics. Lyles is a former athletic trainer who recently was serving as a mentor to highly touted Ducks running back recruit Lache Seastrunk. Meanwhile, Flenory runs the Badger Sports Elite 7-on-7 football camps which have featured several celebrated Ducks signees including running back DeAnthony Thomas, defensive back Cliff Harris, defensive back Dior Mathis and wideout Tacoi Sumler. Flenory had a personal training relationship with recent Ducks signee Anthony Wallace.

If Lyles and Flenory aided in or were involved in any way in the recruitment of student athletes to Oregon, they would be classified as boosters by the NCAA, and any payment to them from the school would be considered a violation of Bylaw 13. Bylaw 13 prohibits boosters from directing a recruit to a school.

A message left on the cell phone of Oregon coach Chip Kelly was not immediately returned, and there was no answer on a number listed for Lyles. Flenory said the payment to him was for a recruiting service that his company set up for Oregon. The package included names, birthdates and other info on potential recruits. Flenory said the package to Oregon was the only one ever sold by his company because “we stopped doing it because the NCAA said recruiting services could no longer do camps on college campuses. Because we were running camps, we decided that was a better business for us than to sell the recruiting packages.”

Flenory said he didn’t have an invoice readily available for the service, but that his company approached the school and offered the package. He said the school instructed him how he could be paid for the recruiting package. Flenory said he played no part in players either visiting or signing with the University of Oregon, and didn’t understand why the NCAA would have a problem with him.

“We stopped doing it when the NCAA made the rule,” Flenory said.

The payouts all took place within the last fiscal year and appeared in the annual college budget expenditures for the university. According to records, the monies were paid under the account for “Books, Publications and other References.” The $25,000 check was made out to “Willie J. Lyles/dba [doing business as] Complete Scouting”. The check to Flenory was made payable to his company, New Level Athletics.

Lyles became a known quantity on the football scene as a personal trainer in Houston while running a company called Speed Dynamics. The company held conditioning camps for players on college campuses. The camps were typically held in the summer and focused improving the speed and overall fitness of players as they headed into the fall football season. Lyles has also been affiliated with Complete Scouting Services, which claims to offer a national high school scouting and video database nationwide.

Flenory received his college degree from the University of New Hampshire, where he played under current Oregon coach Chip Kelly. Following his senior season in 2005, Flenory remained close to football, joining Scout.com as the company’s Midwest Scouting Director. In that position he made widespread connections with high school coaches and was charged with evaluating national prospects for the service. After leaving Scout.com, Flenory established New Level, which runs 7-on-7 tournaments and camps for the development of skill position players in the prep football ranks. Since the establishment of New Level, the tournaments have come to field some of the most coveted high school recruits in the country and include 32 traveling teams nationally.

[HBick]

Just saw this, and looks like Cowturd was just a few days late

[jumperstop]

Doesn't seem like a program ending thing as this thread made it out to be. They might get into trouble, but slap on the wrist at best.

[OrlandoSooner]

Oregon dirty? Check
Auburn dirty? Check

Alabama may be able to claim another MNC by the time this is resolved!

[HBick]

ESPN Has A Little Different Story


NCAA officials are examining whether a Texas man helped steer high school football prospects to defending Pac-10 champion Oregon, and Ducks officials on Thursday told ESPN.com that the school paid the man $25,000 in the spring of 2010 for recruiting services.

Sources close to the inquiry told ESPN.com that NCAA officials are taking a closer look at Oregon's recruitment of running back Lache Seastrunk, a redshirt freshman from Temple, Texas, who was one of the country's most highly recruited prospects in 2010. Specifically, the NCAA is asking what role Texas-based trainer Willie Lyles played in Seastrunk's decision to attend Oregon, the sources said.

Oregon athletics department spokesman Dave Williford confirmed to ESPN.com on Thursday that Oregon paid Lyles $25,000 for his recruiting services. Oregon's payment to Lyles was made shortly after Seastrunk signed a national letter of intent in February 2010 to play football for the Ducks, choosing them over California, LSU and USC.

Williford supplied the information after ESPN.com requested a copy of the check under state open records laws. Williford said neither the NCAA nor Pac-10 had contacted Oregon about any possible violations.

"Most programs purchase recruiting services," Oregon coach Chip Kelly said Thursday. "Our compliance office is aware of it. Will has a recruiting service that met NCAA rules and we used him in 2010."

A handful of FBS football coaches surveyed by ESPN.com on Thursday said recruiting services typically charge $5,000 or less per season for video footage and information about high school prospects.

The NCAA, sources said, also is examining Lyles' relationship with Ducks star tailback LaMichael James, who last season was a Heisman Trophy finalist and the country's leading rusher with 1,731 yards. James, a rising junior from Texarkana, Texas, helped lead the Ducks to a 12-1 record last season, including a 22-19 loss to Auburn in the Tostitos BCS National Championship Game.

In December, Lyles was James' guest at the ESPNU Home Depot College Football Awards Show in Lake Buena Vista, Fla. Lyles described himself as James' trainer and advisor.

Lyles, a Houston resident, has been tied to other high school players from Louisiana and Texas, who eventually signed with schools such as Auburn, Baylor, LSU, Oklahoma State, Southern California and Texas A&M.

Lyles did not return several messages left on his cell phone by ESPN reporters.

The NCAA has been exploring the involvement of third-parties in the football recruiting process, specifically in regard to coaches and others who affiliate themselves with 7-on-7 camps and also people who work for recruiting services that charge programs, according to sources.

In the past, Lyles has aligned himself with recruiting services.

But a person who once worked with Lyles said the $25,000 payment exceeded the $16,500 Oregon paid the recruiting service for its work during the previous two years. The source said Lyles' affiliation with the recruiting service had been terminated prior to Lyles billing Oregon on his own.

Former Temple (Texas) High School coach Bryce Monsen, who was fired after the 2010 season, said he and Seastrunk met Lyles during a summer camp at LSU in 2009. During Seastrunk's senior season, in which he ran for 1,174 yards with 15 touchdowns, Lyles attended several of Temple High's practices and games, according to Monsen. "

All of the sudden, I noticed Lyles was hanging around Tyler, Texas a lot," Monsen said.

Monsen said Evelyn Seastrunk, the player's mother, informed him that Lyles would coordinate Seastrunk's recruiting.

"I was told to stay away from Lache and his mother as far as recruiting," Monsen said. "Lyles and Lache became good friends and Lache had a lot of trust in him."

Oregon has enjoyed recruiting success in Texas in recent years, signing high-profile players such as James, Seastrunk and starting quarterback Darron Thomas, a Houston native.

Bob Jones, who coached Thomas at Aldine High School in Houston, said he is familiar with Lyles. Jones said Thomas never developed a relationship with Lyles, though.

"[Lyles] seemed to be around the Houston area, but never around Darron," said Jones, who now coaches at Shepherd (Texas) High School. "I never understood what his mission was. I never understood why he was roaming around. I can't tell you what he's done, but it always looked a little different."

The NCAA, according to sources, is also examining Lyles' relationship with Sean Nelson of Thibodeaux, La., whose own relationship with top football prospects has been scrutinized by the NCAA. Last month, NCAA investigators interviewed former Thibodeaux High School coach Dennis Lorio about Auburn's recruitment of receiver Trovon Reed and offensive lineman Greg Robinson this year. Reed signed with Auburn last year; Robinson signed with the Tigers in February.

Robinson and his mother also were questioned by NCAA officials.

According to people with knowledge of Seastrunk's recruitment, Lyles and Nelson both accompanied the prospect on his visit to Texas in 2009. A source familiar with Seastrunk's recruitment said he made an official visit to Oregon, but never made an unofficial visit there.

Meanwhile, NCAA officials have also interviewed a Dallas man about his relationship with Kelly. Baron Flenory, co-founder of New Level Athletics and Badger Sports Elite 7-on-7 camps, played college football at New Hampshire when Kelly coached there.

Flenory told ESPN that NCAA enforcement officials have attended his 7-on-7 camps this year and asked him about third-parties' roles in college football recruiting. One of Flenory's prized pupils, linebacker Anthony Wallace of Skyline High School in Dallas, signed with Oregon in February. Flenory denies steering Wallace or any other recruits to Oregon or any schools.

"People think I'm the boogie man and another Sonny Vaccaro," Flenory said, referring to the sports marketing executive, who has worked with sneaker companies and basketball prospects. "But it's not like that. People have a perception about what Sonny has done. They think of negatives. But there are two sides to it. I do believe in the great side of what 7-on-7s can do for kids in recruiting and that's why we've been so transparent with the NCAA."

As part of a new initiative to clean up college football recruiting, the NCAA is examining the roles so-called street agents and summer camp organizers play in prospective student-athletes' college choices.

Rachel Newman-Baker, NCAA director of agent, gambling and amateurism activities, told ESPN.com on Thursday that the NCAA is exploring whether to establish a task force for college football, similar to one recently formed to better monitor college basketball recruiting.

"[Football] is very similar to non-scholastic basketball based on what we know," Newman-Baker said. "It seems to be a lot of the same issues with recruiting services, street agents and these non-scholastic teams traveling all over the country. It's eerily similar."

Newman-Baker said NCAA staff members have attended several 7-on-7 passing camps across the country during the last several weeks. NCAA investigators have also interviewed head coaches at FBS schools in an attempt to better understand the changing recruiting landscape.

One FBS coach told ESPN.com that "football is becoming AAU basketball."

Former Florida coach Urban Meyer, who now works as a college football analyst for ESPN, said street agents are becoming an increasing problem in the sport.

"It's certainly prevalent and it's certainly out there," Meyer said. "In some areas, it's really out there."

The NCAA's renewed efforts come about four months after it was revealed that Kenny Rogers, a former Mississippi State player, was involved in Heisman Trophy winner Cameron Newton's recruiting. The NCAA ruled that Cecil Newton, the player's father, was aware of Rogers' pay-for-play scheme to solicit $180,000 from Mississippi State boosters before his son signed with Auburn. The NCAA declared Newton ineligible for one day in November, before he was reinstated and led the Tigers to their first national championship in more than 50 years.

Earlier this week, NCAA president Mark Emmert told the Rotary Club of Baton Rouge, La., that new NCAA rules are being developed to deal with "third parties." Emmert said the new rules would apply to parents, agents or anyone else trying to profit from a relationship with a student-athlete.

"How do we give them the information they need to make a thoughtful decision instead of listening to someone who's whispering in their ear who may not necessarily have their best interest at heart?" Emmert asked. "It's going to take us a while to get a clear set of proposals, but we've got a lot of people who are interested in it. Everybody understands that this is a serious problem in football and basketball."

The NCAA initiative to further examine football recruiting came at the request of new NCAA Vice President of Enforcement Julie Roe Lach, who was hired last fall. Five NCAA investigators from major enforcement and two members from the agents, gambling and amateurism staff will spend the next several months gathering information about football recruiting. Joe Schad is a college football reporter for ESPN. Mark Schlabach is a college football reporter for ESPN.com.

[SoonerDan74012]

This is just the beginning folks. Trust me on this!!!!!

[sooner518]

The source said Lyles' affiliation with the recruiting service had been terminated prior to Lyles billing Oregon on his own.

This seems like the most damning part if true....

[SoonerDan74012]

I think the NCAA Nazis are going to be paying Boone St. a visit according to that ESPN article.

[bixby28]

Oregon dirty? Check
Auburn dirty? Check

Alabama may be able to claim another MNC by the time this is resolved!

Nice.:D

[finster]

So,Oregon paid Lyles $25,000 After the recruit was delivered,With a signed Check.
And they want to compete with Auburn and the SEC?
NOOBS

[Dwight]

10 years probation
loss of 80 scholarships
forfeit wins from the last 6 years
switch to Adidas

[MR2-Sooner86]

Their goose is cooked.

[Leroy Lizard]

I think the NCAA Nazis are going to be paying Boone St. a visit according to that ESPN article.

Likely, but nothing there indicates they did anything wrong. After all, we might get a visit from the NCAA as well as part of their investigation.

Who was it that came in here and remarked that Oregon may have cheated? Whoever you are, it is time to gloat.

[SoonerDan74012]

Likely, but nothing there indicates they did anything wrong. After all, we might get a visit from the NCAA as well as part of their investigation.

Who was it that came in here and remarked that Oregon may have cheated? Whoever you are, it is time to gloat.

I started the thread so that would be me. :D

[SoonerinSouthlake]

"Meanwhile, Flenory runs the Badger Sports Elite 7-on-7 football camps which have featured several celebrated Ducks signees including running back DeAnthony Thomas, defensive back Cliff Harris, defensive back Dior Mathis and wideout Tacoi Sumler."

I like Tacois.......Did you think this is some information I would have like to have known??? You invited Eric? I thought Eric gave you the creeps

[Leroy Lizard]

I started the thread so that would be me. :D

You weren't so bat **** crazy after all. I apologize for the slew of grapeshot I directed at your person.

Not saying you were right, but you certainly weren't nuts.

[Leroy Lizard]

"Meanwhile, Flenory runs the Badger Sports Elite 7-on-7...

Does NormanPride know about this?

[ouduckhunter]

It's a great day!! :D :D :D

I don't know how this will all play out, or what, if anything will happen to the Quacks, but I am sure going to enjoy seeing them squirm! A pox upon their house!!

[SoonerDan74012]

Look what I just found over on Shaggybevo. Read the entire thread if you can because a poster who went by the name of Delta reveals herself as a yahoo sports researcher assigned to dig some dirty info up on Will Lyles. Checkout post #57 and it gets really good on page three.
http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/40098-Will-Lyles/page5

[ouduckhunter]

Look what I just found over on Shaggybevo. Read the entire thread if you can because a poster who went by the name of Delta reveals herself as a yahoo sports researcher assigned to dig some dirty info up on Will Lyles. Checkout post #57 and it gets really good on page three.
http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/40098-Will-Lyles/page5

Very interesting! Wonder if Delta is for real or not! I gotta say though, Shaggybevo posters are not nearly as funny or as interesting as the good folk here on SoonerFans. Poor Whorns...you suck!

[winout]

Two scholly minimum for the ugly-a$$ unis.

[sooner518]

Look what I just found over on Shaggybevo. Read the entire thread if you can because a poster who went by the name of Delta reveals herself as a yahoo sports researcher assigned to dig some dirty info up on Will Lyles. Checkout post #57 and it gets really good on page three.
http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/40098-Will-Lyles/page5

sifting thru that 2 year old thread, I feel much dumber now. How a reporter could gather anything substantial from that abortion of a thread is beyond me, but then again, Im not investigative reporter. 90% of the thread was a bunch of people bitching at the OP.

EDIT:

according to that thread, the Delta person is not real. shocking I know. a Mod says:
"Delta is a troll. Alabama troll from Millwood, AL. Thanks for playing."

plus Dan Wetzel has some quoted tweets saying its fake.

[NathanStinson]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6179423



"Willie said he was a trainer," Evelyn Seastrunk said. "Now Oregon says he's a scout? Is he on Oregon's payroll? If Willie Lyles collected $25,000 off my son he needs to be held accountable. The NCAA must find out for me. I don't know how to digest someone cashing in on my son."

roffle

[badger]

The money pit will run dry. The economy's too tanked to keep paying out that much to scouts, runners, churches run by daddy preachers, etc.

The NCAA is really looking more and more worthless