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SoCaliSooner
2/26/2011, 05:01 PM
Serious question.

With the exception of 2009, OU games get shown less and less on TV out here since their Final Four run in 2002 and their next run in 2003. I think there have been maybe 4 on TV I've seen for the year when in past years they were steadily on Big Monday....so I admit I haven't seen as much of the team as in past years.

I know when Sampson got slapped for that cell phone stuff...leaving...probation....players getting agents...getting kicked out it just seems they haven't been able to get back on track.


Is Oklahoma not able to get good recruits? Is it coaching? Is it something else?

What saw those in the know?

Eielson
2/26/2011, 05:12 PM
Great idea for a thread. :rolleyes:

SoCaliSooner
2/26/2011, 05:18 PM
Great idea for a thread. :rolleyes:
I'm watching the KU game and you can see Kansas is just a better team....and historically seems to always be good. I can't see why Kansas can get any better athletes than OU. I would think OU would have better overall athletic facilities...

Like I said...I was just curious as to why others ideas are. It's not meant as flame bait...

KBoomer11
2/26/2011, 05:24 PM
Developing and retaining players has been our biggest problem and that falls on Capel's shoulders. He has recruited several McD's All Americans and top rated recruits but they have either left the program or have not developed as well as they need to. You have to recruit players who have talent AND character or that will happen.

bigfatjerk
2/26/2011, 05:26 PM
There's a lot of reasons. We just haven't got good basketball players outside of Blake. The next best players we've had the last 5 year are mostly Kelvin Sampson left overs. Nate Carter, Austin Johnson, Tony Crocker, David Godbold, Taylor Griffin, all Kelvin recruits. Cade and Willie Warren are good players. Outside of that we just haven't gotten quality players.

Also we don't really have a style of play to hang on. Under Kelvin we were a half court team with good rebounding and we would beat teams with defense. Under Billy we would run it up and down the court. We don't really do anything on offense. And we don't really have a defensive staple, we don't really have good rebounding either. We basically look like we have no style. And even with Blake we didn't really look like a team with any real style of play.

Newbomb Turk
2/26/2011, 05:30 PM
I can't see why Kansas can get any better athletes than OU.

good lord, I hope you're not being serious.

SoCaliSooner
2/26/2011, 05:30 PM
Is there any correlation to the "one-and-done" with the type of players being recruited?

SoCaliSooner
2/26/2011, 05:32 PM
good lord, I hope you're not being serious.

I've heard, regarding recruiting for either football or basketball that there's nothing to do in Norman. My point was that it has to be a better overall environment at OU than at KU. Somehow Kansas gets BBall recruits that seem pretty damn good. Texas too. You'd think OU could be competitive as well.

Newbomb Turk
2/26/2011, 05:35 PM
I've heard, regarding recruiting for either football or basketball that there's nothing to do in Norman. My point was that it has to be a better overall environment at OU than at KU. Somehow Kansas gets BBall recruits that seem pretty damn good. Texas too. You'd think OU could be competitive as well.

well, there this thing called tradition and winning. They seem to have something to do with where a kid goes to school to play ball.

OU has it in football - KU has it in basketball.

OU_Sooners75
2/26/2011, 05:40 PM
No leadership and very young.

At least we will have a chance to win our last two games.

OU_Sooners75
2/26/2011, 05:45 PM
I've heard, regarding recruiting for either football or basketball that there's nothing to do in Norman. My point was that it has to be a better overall environment at OU than at KU. Somehow Kansas gets BBall recruits that seem pretty damn good. Texas too. You'd think OU could be competitive as well.


Ill put it this way...there may not be much to do in Norman itself, but there is a good lot of things to do in OKC, which is a mere 20 minutes or so from downtown OKC.

Lawerence, KS...is basically the same way but they can go to Kansas City.

When it comes to KU basketball:

1. They have a richer tradition in basketball than just about every school in the nation.
2. They have a very good coach, maybe one of the best, if not the best, in Bill Self.

OU use to be very competitive. I really hope Capel can get it turned around next season (yes I think he will be here for 1 more year at least).

MO_Sooner
2/26/2011, 05:45 PM
If you were a big time recruit on a recruiting visit, which team/atmosphere would appeal more to you? A team that even when it plays a nobody, the place is packed and loud (KU & Allen Field House) or a place that even when the team is good, the seats are half full and half of those people sit on their hands. OU just isn't an appealing place for a big time recruit unless they are from the state of Oklahoma and even that isn't a guarantee.

Eielson
2/26/2011, 05:57 PM
I'm watching the KU game and you can see Kansas is just a better team....and historically seems to always be good. I can't see why Kansas can get any better athletes than OU. I would think OU would have better overall athletic facilities...

Like I said...I was just curious as to why others ideas are. It's not meant as flame bait...

We already have a thread very similar to this that is approaching 20 pages.

Eielson
2/26/2011, 05:58 PM
Ill put it this way...there may not be much to do in Norman itself, but there is a good lot of things to do in OKC, which is a mere 20 minutes or so from downtown OKC.

I feel bad for anybody who can't find anything to do in Norman.

OU_Sooners75
2/26/2011, 07:00 PM
I feel bad for anybody who can't find anything to do in Norman.


I would too, but there is not really that much to do compared to major cities with major universities. Hence the phrase: may not be much to do in Norman.

JLEW1818
2/26/2011, 07:18 PM
talking KU vs OU basketball, is like like talking OU vs KU football

as far as recruiting

yankee
2/26/2011, 07:37 PM
I've heard, regarding recruiting for either football or basketball that there's nothing to do in Norman

Because Lawrence, Kansas is a bustling metropolis....If location was really an inhibitor for OU, Stoops wouldn't be bringing in top 10 recruiting classes each year.

Rock Hard Corn Frog
2/26/2011, 07:45 PM
I've heard, regarding recruiting for either football or basketball that there's nothing to do in Norman. My point was that it has to be a better overall environment at OU than at KU. Somehow Kansas gets BBall recruits that seem pretty damn good. Texas too. You'd think OU could be competitive as well.

You've heard? Have you NEVER been to Norman? Did you wake up one day in SoCal and decide you would be an OU fan and then decide to spend all your free time ripping them from afar.

Given how positive your posts have been regarding OU so far I have questions regarding your motive for this thread.

SoCaliSooner
2/26/2011, 08:15 PM
You've heard? Have you NEVER been to Norman? Did you wake up one day in SoCal and decide you would be an OU fan and then decide to spend all your free time ripping them from afar.

Given how positive your posts have been regarding OU so far I have questions regarding your motive for this thread.
I've been there many times. Had family that attended OU and even played football at OU. I am a huge fan, but not a myopic fan and have enough going on that my sense of happiness isn't tied to all things OU.

Asking why the team is 13-16 and not relevant in college basketball is merely a question. I don't see that as "ripping them from afar"...

badger
2/26/2011, 09:20 PM
talking KU vs OU basketball, is like like talking OU vs KU football

as far as recruiting

a ku fan had a dream season shirt with the bball title and orange bowl today.

a reminder that no amount of past successes or success for past coaches can be indicative of what the future holds. Orange bowl today, coach ath dir and winning gone tomorrow

it is why I cheered so hard the two moments ou led today... Just never know if we,ll lead again

GDC
2/26/2011, 11:34 PM
OU basketball sucks because of Jeff Capel.

OUmillenium
3/1/2011, 12:48 PM
There's a lot of reasons. We just haven't got good basketball players outside of Blake. The next best players we've had the last 5 year are mostly Kelvin Sampson left overs. Nate Carter, Austin Johnson, Tony Crocker, David Godbold, Taylor Griffin, all Kelvin recruits. Cade and Willie Warren are good players. Outside of that we just haven't gotten quality players.

Also we don't really have a style of play to hang on. Under Kelvin we were a half court team with good rebounding and we would beat teams with defense. Under Billy we would run it up and down the court. We don't really do anything on offense. And we don't really have a defensive staple, we don't really have good rebounding either. We basically look like we have no style. And even with Blake we didn't really look like a team with any real style of play.

This is a great point

LiveLaughLove
3/1/2011, 01:43 PM
I agree with bigfatjerk on OU having no discernable style currently. At least my feeble brain doesn't detect one.

I also notice that on inbound plays we tend to not run very good set plays, while the other teams on theirs do so effectively. Not every time, but it seems a good portion of the time.

I hear people say he is getting ALL he can out of this team. I agree that he is getting ALL of the effort that he can. I don't necessarily agree that he is getting all of the production that he can, because of x's and o's. I just don't think it's there.

Wish I could see the silver lining.

bigfatjerk
3/1/2011, 01:48 PM
I agree with bigfatjerk on OU having no discernable style currently. At least my feeble brain doesn't detect one.

I also notice that on inbound plays we tend to not run very good set plays, while the other teams on theirs do so effectively. Not every time, but it seems a good portion of the time.

I hear people say he is getting ALL he can out of this team. I agree that he is getting ALL of the effort that he can. I don't necessarily agree that he is getting all of the production that he can, because of x's and o's. I just don't think it's there.

Wish I could see the silver lining.

Exactly I think the effort is pretty good with a lot of the players. There's a few that aren't giving good effort. Pledger and Clark although I wouldn't expect great effort from a freshman. Pledger is really disappointing and I'm not sure he's really all that good. He had the great game against Iowa State other than that he's really been lacking in effort. And he seems really limited in his skills. He can't really defend that well, he shoots a real low percentage from 3 and really can't do much else on offense.

NMSooner'80
3/1/2011, 02:45 PM
I keep hoping that this year will force OU fans to realize how good we had it for the better part of 30 years (dating back to '77, excluding '81 and the end of the postseason streak in '07). OU has a better tradition than many folks realize and leads every Big 12 team but one (KU) in the all-time head-to-head series.

The attendance at times, dating back to Tisdale's last year at OU ('85) has belied the quality of the on-court product during that time time period that I referenced. Even some of Wayman's early-season games when he was a junior were played in front of half-empty crowds. I never knew the exact details, but I've always assumed it was because of the "donor program" that I've heard screwed over plenty of basketball die-hards in favor of folks who never use their seats but enjoy the football priority points.

soonervegas
3/2/2011, 10:57 AM
1982 to 2008 - I already miss her

We need OU to get back up ASAP. Getting Mizzou, KU, KSU, and ISU back on the board twice a year is going to remind me of the good old Big 8 days.

These last 2 years have hurt, a lot.

pphilfran
3/2/2011, 11:11 AM
Jeff came in and all (most) of Sampson's recruits tucked tail and ran...he had to dredge the bottom of the recruiting pond to field a squad...

Then losing the 3 kids from last year and then toss in Blake and his brother from the prior year...add in a little attitude during last year...and you have a recipe for disaster...

Jeff started out in a hole...dug out of that hole...and then fell into the abyss again...

badger
3/2/2011, 11:26 AM
You know how the Pokes always compare themselves to us "Gooners?" Consider this:


Like most schools, OSU introduces its seniors before the game. The players are escorted on to the floor by family members, where they are presented a large framed picture as a memento of their days as Cowboys.

When OSU’s seniors – Marshall Moses, Nick Sidorakis, Matt Pilgrim and Songo Adoki – had their moment in the spotlight, it appeared that the only people in Gallagher-Iba Arena to watch the ceremonies were their friends and family.

There couldn’t have been more 300 spectators watching as OSU said goodbye to the foursome inside the historic arena. Gallagher-Iba seats 13,611. So it was more than a little bit uncomfortable for the few of us who watched.

Read the rest here (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/blogs/blog.aspx?blogid=13#10848). OSU was totally embarrassed on its senior night, not because they lost, because they didn't, but they were national TV (Espn 2) and had a LOT of empty orange seats. Look at this pic:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/articleimages/2011/20110302_b6osubkb0302.jpg

More embarrassing pics here. (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OSU/article.aspx?subjectid=93&articleid=20110302_93_B1_CUTLIN841735) Eff it, here's one more:
http://i52.tinypic.com/1586lv4.png

Way to honor your beloved basketball team, aggy. I can't believe how far this program's fallen, despite the fact that they made the tourney the past two years. Are they all so convinced now that they are a football school that they can't support basketball anymore?

I can't make it to our Senior Night, but PLEASE if you have the means and availability, show up for Cade's at LNC. Don't be Aggy! :(