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lexsooner
2/13/2011, 08:57 PM
This ****** bag has an excuse for everything which went wrong during his last reign as Secretary of Defense. He blames everyone - the generals, Colin Powell, Condeleeza Rice, W, except himself. He reminds me of Jimmy Johnson analyzing a loss when he coached at OSU.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/abc-news-exclusive-donald-rumsfeld-opens-afghanistan-iraq-war-diane-sawyer-secretary-defense-bush-12861862

Partial Qualifier
2/13/2011, 09:07 PM
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mgsooner
2/13/2011, 09:33 PM
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mgsooner
2/13/2011, 09:34 PM
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soonercruiser
2/13/2011, 09:56 PM
You means he sounds like Obama and the LW?
("It's Boooosh's fault. He left me with this mess!")
:pop:

SicEmBaylor
2/14/2011, 12:00 AM
That sack of **** was awarded the Defender of the Constitution award by CPAC. I **** you not.

delhalew
2/14/2011, 12:05 AM
That sack of **** was awarded the Defender of the Constitution award by CPAC. I **** you not.

I still can't figure how the universe didn't collapse inward on itself.

However, I love to listen to him speak. Dude is ****ing hilarious.

SicEmBaylor
2/14/2011, 12:12 AM
I still can't figure how the universe didn't collapse inward on itself.

However, I love to listen to him speak. Dude is ****ing hilarious.

This is true, and I hate the press far far more than Rumsfeld. Seeing him humiliate and speak to them in condescending tones usually reserved for a misbehaving 6 year old always amused the hell out of me.

delhalew
2/14/2011, 12:32 AM
In other bizarro world news, I heard The Donald asked about Ron Paul winning another straw poll. The Donald said Paul didn't have a chance. Coming from a guy with a reality show, that was just too much.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 01:29 AM
That sack of **** was awarded the Defender of the Constitution award by CPAC. I **** you not.You got it. How can a pathetic neo-con be a patriotic American? haha

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 01:33 AM
This is true, and I hate the press far far more than Rumsfeld. Seeing him humiliate and speak to them in condescending tones usually reserved for a misbehaving 6 year old always amused the hell out of me.I have always loved that about Rumsfeld, too. He's as good as it gets in telling them they aren't worth used toilet paper, without saying so directly.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 01:37 AM
In other bizarro world news, I heard The Donald asked about Ron Paul winning another straw poll. The Donald said Paul didn't have a chance. Coming from a guy with a reality show, that was just too much.I think Trump is right about that. I don't think Trump has a really good chance either. IMHO, he will sooner or later fizzle, one way or another.

delhalew
2/14/2011, 10:15 AM
I think Trump is right about that. I don't think Trump has a really good chance either. IMHO, he will sooner or later fizzle, one way or another.

I'm fully aware that you don't think a true conservative can win. The point was of my post was the same as your second sentence. Trump won't win. So...STFU Donald.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 12:46 PM
I'm fully aware that you don't think a true conservative can win. The point was of my post was the same as your second sentence. Trump won't win. So...STFU Donald.I think Paul's isolationism is what would prevent him from winning even the primary, and he doesn't seem very enthusiastic, either.

delhalew
2/14/2011, 12:54 PM
I think Paul's isolationism is what would prevent him from winning even the primary, and he doesn't seem very enthusiastic, either.

That isolationist crap is not worth the effort to type it.

You say isolationism, I say conservatism.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 01:19 PM
That isolationist crap is not worth the effort to type it.

You say isolationism, I say conservatism.the neo-con vs isolationism is a big issue indeed. It always hurt Pat Buchanan(vote-wise) , and so far, anyway, it hasn't helped Ron Paul.

delhalew
2/14/2011, 01:27 PM
The people have grown weary of a big gub'ment Republican Party. Stick to that model and become irrelevant.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 01:31 PM
The people have grown weary of a big gub'ment Republican Party. Stick to that model and become irrelevant.I agree. I don't think most republicans want Big Govt. The role of the military and national defense is the issue, IMHO. Most every conservative, myself included, LOVES Ron Paul's economic positions, but the problem is that many give pause to his international views. Just sayin'

delhalew
2/14/2011, 01:42 PM
I agree. I don't think most republicans want Big Govt. The role of the military and national defense is the issue, IMHO. Most every conservative, myself included, LOVES Ron Paul's economic positions, but the problem is that many give pause to his international views. Just sayin'

I am suggesting that belief makes one half a Conservative.
You can gave strong foreign policy and support democracy globally without nation building whilst pouring billions down a sinkhole.

This is what Ron Paul knows, and you and Rush need to learn.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 01:51 PM
I am suggesting that belief makes one half a Conservative.
You can gave strong foreign policy and support democracy globally without nation building whilst pouring billions down a sinkhole.

This is what Ron Paul knows, and you and Rush need to learn.I'm talking about the majority of those who believe in conservative economics, and will vote republican. Ron Paul needs to campaign a lot harder than he ever has, and widely broadcast and explain his foreign policy philosophy, if he expects to gain support.

JohnnyMack
2/14/2011, 01:57 PM
I am suggesting that belief makes one half a Conservative.
You can gave strong foreign policy and support democracy globally without nation building whilst pouring billions down a sinkhole.

This is what Ron Paul knows, and you and Rush need to learn.

Rush (the poster and the radio personalty) are not conservatives. They are neo-cons. They are big government, big military jackoffs who are obsessed with wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage and use them as a giant smokescreen to hide their true agenda.

delhalew
2/14/2011, 02:03 PM
He certainly has to work hard explaining himself. It would help if republicans would stop labeling him an isolationist. It is simply not true.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 02:07 PM
Rush (the poster and the radio personalty) are not conservatives. They are neo-cons. They are big government, big military jackoffs who are obsessed with wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage and use them as a giant smokescreen to hide their true agenda.RLIMC and his clone both do NOT want big govt.(and you SHOULD know that Johnny) Neither wants to neglect national defense, and having a top ranked military, as that is a legitimate govt. function and responsibility.

Owning and/or adversely controlling the economic functioning of the country through burdensome taxation and regulations, are not the responsibilities of the govt. however, as you and the other pinks espouse.

delhalew
2/14/2011, 02:15 PM
Rush (the poster and the radio personalty) are not conservatives. They are neo-cons. They are big government, big military jackoffs who are obsessed with wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage and use them as a giant smokescreen to hide their true agenda.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Conservatism is widely misunderstood. Many people wouldn't have the stomach for it. We have a long road toward properly defining Conservatism.

While I have strong feelings about abortion, I don't social issues should enter into a conversion on Conservatism.

JohnnyMack
2/14/2011, 02:21 PM
RLIMC and his clone both do NOT want big govt.(and you SHOULD know that Johnny) Neither wants to neglect national defense, and having a top ranked military, as that is a legitimate govt. function and responsibility.

Owning and/or adversely controlling the economic functioning of the country through burdensome taxation and regulations, are not the responsibilities of the govt. however, as you and the other pinks espouse.

Yes I'm a pinko because I'm calling you out for what you are. A neo-con. You're no better than Obama, you're just too brainwashed to see it.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 02:27 PM
Yes I'm a pinko because I'm calling you out for what you are. A neo-con. You're no better than Obama, you're just too brainwashed to see it.haha, IYHO a neo-con is as bad as a full-blown statist? Sad for you.

To compare the maintenance of a viable, excellent military, which is a valid function of American govt. to Socialism and/or Fascism is sad, indeed.

JohnnyMack
2/14/2011, 02:30 PM
haha, IYHO a neo-con is as bad as a full-blown statist? Sad for you.

You're two sides of the same coin, but like I said your el Rushbo blinders prevent you from seeing that.

soonerscuba
2/14/2011, 02:32 PM
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Conservatism is widely misunderstood. Many people wouldn't have the stomach for it. We have a long road toward properly defining Conservatism.

While I have strong feelings about abortion, I don't social issues should enter into a conversion on Conservatism.I have a lot of respect for those who take the philosophy it to its logical conclusion within reason, which is a more limited scope across the board, including social issues, foreign aid, and defense. I'm always amused when people pretend like defense spending isn't spending or that nation building is fine so long as their guy is doing the building, both literally and metaphorically as far as Iraq is concerned.

A lot of Republicans, maybe even a majority are certainly for government, so long as it ties into their belief system. The only reason behind my tepid support of Democratic party is that sometimes they take measures that it will at least fund a portion of their projects, as opposed to the 0% I have come to expect from today's Republican leadership when they are in anything but a minority role.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 02:33 PM
I was wondering when the B list would chime in.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 02:34 PM
You're two sides of the same coin, but like I said your el Rushbo blinders prevent you from seeing that.see the second half of the post you quoted.

delhalew
2/14/2011, 03:01 PM
I have a lot of respect for those who take the philosophy it to its logical conclusion within reason, which is a more limited scope across the board, including social issues, foreign aid, and defense. I'm always amused when people pretend like defense spending isn't spending or that nation building is fine so long as their guy is doing the building, both literally and metaphorically as far as Iraq is concerned.

A lot of Republicans, maybe even a majority are certainly for government, so long as it ties into their belief system. The only reason behind my tepid support of Democratic party is that sometimes they take measures that it will at least fund a portion of their projects, as opposed to the 0% I have come to expect from today's Republican leadership when they are in anything but a minority role.

I would put forth that funding of programs that steer you towards voting (D), will play an equal role with a rampant Military-Industrial complex in the decline of this nation.

Equally important as gaining control of military spending and foreign aid, is putting a stop to social programs that are breaking our backs.

You and I can better prepare for our retirement than SS. Our corporations, our citizens, and our churches are charitable by nature.

Even if you think a government capable of solving your problems is a good idea, it is not feasible in a free nation of 300 million independent souls.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 03:33 PM
Even if you think a government capable of solving your problems is a good idea, it is not feasible in a free nation of 300 million independent souls.Social and economic spending by the govt. is at least mostly outlawed by the founding documents, and for very sound reasons. Military spending is legal, since it is a viable function. That's the gist of the whole enchilada, and the Left simply won't accept it.

delhalew
2/14/2011, 03:49 PM
Social and economic spending by the govt. is at least mostly outlawed by the founding documents, and for very sound reasons. Military spending is legal, since it is a viable function. That's the gist of the whole enchilada, and the Left simply won't accept it.

While that is not untrue, those same founders would be quite upset with our out of control spending on the affairs of others.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 03:57 PM
While that is not untrue, those same founders would be quite upset with our out of control spending on the affairs of others.Soitanlee.

AlboSooner
2/14/2011, 03:58 PM
some here would be considered traitors, and anti-American for criticizing Rumsfeld and his amigos, during the dark age of 2001-2006. I'm glad we've moved on from that.

soonerscuba
2/14/2011, 03:58 PM
Social and economic spending by the govt. is at least mostly outlawed by the founding documents, and for very sound reasons. Military spending is legal, since it is a viable function. That's the gist of the whole enchilada, and the Left simply won't accept it.Do you count Hamilton among the left that refuse to accept that?

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 04:12 PM
some here would be considered traitors, and anti-American for criticizing Rumsfeld and his amigos, during the dark age of 2001-2006. I'm glad we've moved on from that.Siding with the Left has paid big dividends...

OutlandTrophy
2/14/2011, 04:15 PM
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RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 04:16 PM
Do you count Hamilton among the left that refuse to accept that?Do you think govt. involvement in ownership of economic institutions and companies and redistribution of wealth are constitutional?

soonerscuba
2/14/2011, 04:23 PM
Do you think govt. involvement in ownership of economic institutions and companies and redistribution of wealth are constitutional?Yes. As evidenced by what is at this point, centuries worth of precedent and the embrace of implied powers as the dominant philosophical leaning of the court system and desire of the people. You may not like gov't involvement but barking up the Constitution tree and pretending the founding fathers marched lockstep in their view of social welfare leads you nowhere. If I were so inclined as to think that gov't intervention into the private market and social welfare was at face a very bad thing, I would focus on legislative solutions, but judicial ones haven't been kind to your viewpoint.

SicEmBaylor
2/14/2011, 04:25 PM
You got it. How can a pathetic neo-con be a patriotic American? haha

What does that have to do with anything? I never questioned his patriotism. I'm sure Rumsfeld loves this country very much. But a defender of the Constitution, he is not.

soonercruiser
2/14/2011, 04:27 PM
Rush (the poster and the radio personalty) are not conservatives. They are neo-cons. They are big government, big military jackoffs who are obsessed with wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage and use them as a giant smokescreen to hide their true agenda.

Johhny's taking up where The Profit left off on the OUI!
Just call someone names in order to discredit them. (Alikskyian tactic)
And, throw some sh** up on the wall to see what sticks!
:rolleyes:

Bourbon St Sooner
2/14/2011, 04:41 PM
I agree. I don't think most republicans want Big Govt. The role of the military and national defense is the issue, IMHO. Most every conservative, myself included, LOVES Ron Paul's economic positions, but the problem is that many give pause to his international views. Just sayin'

You can't get to a smaller gov't without ending these foreign forays. Empire is inconsistent with small gov't.

Why do we continue to pay for the Europeans' security? These jihadists want to kill them as much as they want to kill us, but we foot the bill.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 04:47 PM
You can't get to a smaller gov't without ending these foreign forays. Empire is inconsistent with small gov't.

Why do we continue to pay for the Europeans' security? These jihadists want to kill them as much as they want to kill us, but we foot the bill.National Security for our country is such a complex issue. I don't pretend to know the half of what's going on, and I doubt you or anyone else here does. But, it is a legit function of our govt., and necessary. You CAN get to a smaller govt. by limiting or curtailing all the social spending, and involvement of all sorts into economic industries.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 04:53 PM
What does that have to do with anything? I never questioned his patriotism. I'm sure Rumsfeld loves this country very much. But a defender of the Constitution, he is not.If Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan or anyone with a similar military foreign relations policy wins the Repub nomination, I will vote for him/her. If any of those guys run third party, Beary-O will repeat, to finish the job he has started.

Bourbon St Sooner
2/14/2011, 05:01 PM
National Security for our country is such a complex issue. I don't pretend to know the half of what's going on, and I doubt you or anyone else here does. But, it is a legit function of our govt., and necessary. You CAN get to a smaller govt. be limiting or curtailing all the social spending, and involvement of all sorts into economic industries.


So you don't see anything wrong with us paying for Germany's security when we can barely get them to throw us a bone in places like Afghanistan?

Bourbon St Sooner
2/14/2011, 05:07 PM
One more thing, why all of the angst among some "conservative" commentators over the Egyptian uprising? Wasn't the real reason we went to war in Iraq to spread democracy in the ME? If Bush were still in power, would some of these same commentators call this a triumph of Bush's foreign policy?

AlboSooner
2/14/2011, 05:23 PM
Rush (the poster and the radio personalty) are not conservatives. They are neo-cons. They are big government, big military jackoffs who are obsessed with wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage and use them as a giant smokescreen to hide their true agenda.

you are correct. The architect of the religious anti-gay hysteria smokescreen--Karl Rove-- is an atheist who roused the southern protestants into an electoral jihad against the Dems, while secretly calling evangelicals "crazy people." His methods and one-lines, to this day rouse the masses in a fury that can only be compared to the furious rush, with which people attack the grocery stores for vital supplies like potato chips, cookies, soda-pop and hot pockets, when there is going to be bad weather for a few days.




One more thing, why all of the angst among some "conservative" commentators over the Egyptian uprising? Wasn't the real reason we went to war in Iraq to spread democracy in the ME? If Bush were still in power, would some of these same commentators call this a triumph of Bush's foreign policy?

No. The spread of democracy became the reason, after the initial reasons had failed. So after Saddam didn't not have a nuclear program, after he didn't have WMD's, after he didn't have any connection with 9/11, then the reason finally became well he was a bad guy and we want to spread democracy. Even the latest reason is much in question since Iraq is ruled by a few Islamic sects.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 05:27 PM
So you don't see anything wrong with us paying for Germany's security when we can barely get them to throw us a bone in places like Afghanistan?No, fella, I LIKE pissing away money. It's why allah made us.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 05:29 PM
One more thing, why all of the angst among some "conservative" commentators over the Egyptian uprising? Wasn't the real reason we went to war in Iraq to spread democracy in the ME? If Bush were still in power, would some of these same commentators call this a triumph of Bush's foreign policy?Did you find fault with the govt. not building the levees in NOLA to a strength that would protect against class 5 hurricanes?

SoonerProphet
2/14/2011, 08:22 PM
One more thing, why all of the angst among some "conservative" commentators over the Egyptian uprising? Wasn't the real reason we went to war in Iraq to spread democracy in the ME? If Bush were still in power, would some of these same commentators call this a triumph of Bush's foreign policy?

I've wondered the same thing myself. Thought this whole "democracy" thing was a grand plan.

SoonerProphet
2/14/2011, 08:23 PM
Did you find fault with the govt. not building the levees in NOLA to a strength that would protect against class 5 hurricanes?

:confused:

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/14/2011, 08:48 PM
I've wondered the same thing myself. Thought this whole "democracy" thing was a grand plan.Disengenuous, and you know it.

I Am Right
2/14/2011, 09:19 PM
[QUOTE=lexsooner;3146152]This ****** bag has an excuse for everything which went wrong during his last reign as Secretary of Defense. He blames everyone - the generals, Colin Powell, Condeleeza Rice, W, except himself. He reminds me of Jimmy Johnson analyzing a loss when he coached at OSU.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/abc-news-exclusive-donald-rumsfeld-opens-afghanistan-iraq-war-diane-sawyer-secretary-defense-bush-12861862[/QUOTE

You couldn't carry his, ****

SoonerProphet
2/15/2011, 10:31 AM
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-skeptics/whos-isolationist-4871

AlboSooner
2/15/2011, 06:46 PM
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