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Flagstaffsooner
2/11/2011, 04:46 PM
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PROJECTED PRESEASON AP TOP 10

Well here it is, my projected AP Top 10 for next year as of February 11, 2011! I will mention it now and I will mention it numerous times throughout today’s blog but this is not MY preseason Top 10 for next year, it is where I project the AP Top 10 to come out at the start of the season.

Most AP voters usually look at a couple of criteria when they evaluate a team for the upcoming season. First they look at the number of returning starters that the team has coming back particularly at the offensive skill positions. A team that returns its starting QB and a combination of its RB and WRs is often times more highly thought of than a team that loses its starting QB but returns its entire offensive line. Similarly a team that returns most of its starters on offense but loses a lot of its defensive playmakers usually is more highly thought of than a team that returns a majority of its defensive starters but loses its skill position players on offense.

Another factor that is heavily weighted is the performance of the team in the bowl game, which undoubtedly is the lasting image of that team in the offseason. A team coming off a huge bowl win usually is more highly thought of than a team that is coming off a bowl loss regardless of what their schedule looks like for the upcoming season.

Using these criteria and a few more, I project the preseason AP Top 10 every year at the conclusion of the previous season, which in most cases is nearly 6 months in advance. Now as you all know, a lot can happen from January to August including injuries, suspensions, transfers, etc.

In 2009, my projected Top 10 for the AP Poll was #1 Florida, #2 Texas, #3 USC, #4 Oklahoma, #5 Alabama, #6 Virginia Tech, #7 LSU, #8 Oklahoma St, #9 Ohio St and #10 Mississippi. The actual AP Top 10 was #1 Florida, #2 Texas, #3 Oklahoma, #4 USC, #5 Alabama, #6 Ohio St, #7 Virginia Tech, #8 Mississippi and #9 was a tie between Oklahoma St/Penn St.

I nailed nine of the ten teams that appeared in the Preseason Top 10 with the only exception being LSU/Penn St and I may have had something to do with that. It’s interesting to note that of the main preseason magazines, only two had Penn St ranked in the Top 10 and I had them my #1 surprise team and ranked #5. Most had Penn St out of the Top 10. Perhaps since I had them rated so high in my magazine, it influenced a few voters across the country, bumping them into the Top 10.

Last year I projected the preseason AP Top 10 would be #1 Alabama, #2 Ohio St, #3 Boise St, #4 Oregon, #5 Texas, #6 TCU, #7 Iowa, #8 Florida, #9 Nebraska and #10 Virginia Tech.

The actual AP Top 10 was #1 Alabama, #2 Ohio St, #3 Boise St, #4 Florida, #5 Texas, #6 TCU, #7 Oklahoma, #8 Nebraska, #9 Iowa and #10 Virginia Tech.

For the second year in a row I nailed nine of the ten teams that appeared in the Preseason Top 10 with the only exception being Oregon/Oklahoma, which I can defend easily.

First, at the time I wrote my projection back in early February Duck QB Jeremiah Masoli was not yet suspended. With Masoli still in the fold at that point Oregon had 17 returning starters including RB LaMichael James and Masoli in the backfield. The Ducks clearly would have been a preseason Top 10 team and probably Top 5 had Masoli not been kicked off the team. Even without Masoli Oregon was still rated #11 in the preseason poll.

The team that I did not have in my projected AP Top 10 was Oklahoma (#7) and if you have purchased last year’s magazine or listed to one of my radio shows across the country you know I thought very highly of the Sooners as I had them ranked #1. Like Penn St last year perhaps since I had them rated so high in my magazine, it influenced a few voters across the country, bumping them into the Top 10 despite the Sooners having five losses in 2009 and the fact that they did not even finish in the final AP Top 25.

I also am pleased that six of the 10 teams were ranked in the exact position that I projected including the top 3 in Alabama, Ohio St and Boise St. I also had Texas, TCU and Virginia Tech ranked in their exact positions in the poll.
Now let’s take a look at this year’s projected Preseason AP Top 10:

http://www.philsteele.com/images/teamlogos/scarolinagamecocks_logo.gif#10 SOUTH CAROLINA-Last year the Gamecocks returned 16 starters (#2 SEC) and had only 11 lettermen lost. They also signed one of the best frosh classes ever which included my PS#1 RB Marcus Lattimore. In my magazine I said that SC was a legit SEC contender and they even made my list of Surprise Teams (darkhorse national title contender). They didn’t disappoint beating #1 defending champ Alabama at home and getting a key win on the road vs Florida as SC made their first appearance in the SEC Champ game. They did finish the season with consecutive losses but this year return 7 starters on offense including QB Garcia and RB Lattimore and figure to be the favorites to repeat as SEC East Division champs.

http://www.philsteele.com/images/teamlogos/oklahomast_logo.gif#9 OKLAHOMA ST-Last year the Cowboys were one of the least experienced teams in the entire country coming into the season with just 8 returning starters. However, HC Gundy did an outstanding job leading them to their most wins in a season in school history and this year despite the loss of OC Holgorsen and RB Hunter, the Cowboys return 9 starters including QB Weeden and Biletnikoff winner Blackmon from an offense that avg’d 44 ppg. The Cowboys do have tough road games at Texas A&M, Texas, Texas Tech and Missouri and that is why they will not be ranked even higher in the preseason AP Poll.
http://www.philsteele.com/images/teamlogos/floridast_logo.gif#8 FLORIDA ST-HC Fisher inherited a good situation last year as they were loaded on offense with 9 returning starters and they got most of their toughest ACC foes at home. 7 of my 9 sets of power ratings called for their first double digit win season since 2003 and they did just that beating in-state rival Florida, getting to the ACC champ game and then beating South Carolina in the bowl game. This year they return 16 starters, bring in one of the best frosh classes in the country and should be the ACC favorites.

http://www.philsteele.com/images/teamlogos/boisestate_logo.gif#7 BOISE ST-Last year the Broncos were one of the most experienced teams in the country with 20 returning starters and started out #3 in the AP Poll. A win over Virginia Tech in the opener had them thinking national title but a heartbreaking loss to Nevada in OT late in the year cost them a BCS Bid. Nonetheless they still won 12+ games for the third year in a row and this year return 14 starters including QB Moore. While they do move to the MWC and open the season vs Georgia in Atlanta, the Broncos get defending MWC champ TCU at home (where they have not lost a reg ssn gm since 2001) and will probably be favored to win 11 of their 12 games.

http://www.philsteele.com/images/teamlogos/texasam_logo.gif#6 TEXAS A&M-Last year I thought the Aggies were a much stronger team than their previous seasons and they made my Most Improved List. After struggling to a 3-3 start HC Sherman made the bold move to bench QB Johnson for backup Tannehill and the Aggies preceded to roll off 6 straight wins including wins over Big 12 powers Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas en route to only their second 9 win season since 2000. This year they bring back 17 starters on off/def including Tannehill and get Oklahoma St, Missouri and Texas at home.

http://www.philsteele.com/images/teamlogos/stanford_logo.gif#5 STANFORD-Last year 3 of my 9 sets of power ratings called for an 11-1 season and after my magazine was published in May, the Cardinal were one of the teams that I thought probably should have been higher in my ratings in my mag come late August. Led by QB Luck, the Cardinal simply went out and had one of their best seasons in school history finishing 12-1 with a dominating win over Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl. This year the Cardinal lose HC Harbaugh to the 49ers but will still be a AP top 5 pick because Luck surprisingly decided to come back for another year and he is probably not only one of the Heisman favorites but also the top NFL prospect in college this year.

http://www.philsteele.com/images/teamlogos/lsutigers_logo.gif#4 LSU-Last year the Tigers returned just 10 starters but surprised many finishing the season 11-2 with a dominating win over Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl. This year they return 8 starters from an offense that avg’d 30 ppg including QB Jefferson who improved his play down the stretch. While they open the season with a huge showdown vs Oregon in Arlington, the Tigers will probably be favored to win the rest of the games with the exception of a road trip to Alabama later in the season.
http://www.philsteele.com/images/teamlogos/oregonducks_logo.gif#3 OREGON-Last year 8 of my 9 sets of power ratings called the Ducks the best team in the Pac-10 and they didn’t disappoint running through their regular season a perfect 12-0 before losing a heartbreaker in the national title game to Auburn. This year the Ducks return just 11 starters on off/def but get QB Thomas and Doak Walker winner RB James back from a offense that avg’d 47 ppg. UO does have a monster non-conf game vs LSU in the opener and have road trips to Arizona, Washington and Stanford but still will be the preseason favorite to win the Pac-10 for a third straight season.

http://www.philsteele.com/images/teamlogos/alabama_logo.gif#2 ALABAMA-Last year the Crimson Tide were coming off B2B 12-0 regular seasons and anything less than a repeat national title was going to be a disappointment. While the Tide did finish just 10-3, when they were playing their “A” game as evidence of the 1H of the Auburn game and the Capital One bowl vs 11-1 Michigan St, they were clearly one of the best teams in the country. This year despite the losses of QB McElroy, RB Ingram and WR Jones, the Tide return 15 starters including 9 from a defense that figures to be among the best in the country. While they do have road trips to Penn St, Florida and Auburn none of those teams figure to be in the preseason top 10 so they have a great opportunity of being favored in every game this season.

http://www.philsteele.com/images/teamlogos/oklahoma_logo.gif#1 OKLAHOMA-Last year I surprised many by ranking the Sooners as my #1 team in my pre-season magazine despite coming off a 5-loss season in 2009. While they did not win the national title, the Sooners did go 12-2 winning the Big 12 title and dominated UConn in the Fiesta Bowl. This year OU will be ranked #1 in the pre-season by nearly everyone as they return 15 starters on off/def including QB Jones, WR Broyles and LB Lewis. Their schedule sets up nicely with a bye before their road trip to Florida St (a team they dominated LY 47-17). In Big 12 play naturally there is the Red River Rivalry game vs Texas who is coming off a 5-7 season and the only other huge hurdle could be the season finale at Oklahoma St but the Sooners have won the Bedlam rivalry 8 straight times and have an overall mark of 82-16-7 vs their in-state rivals. With their key returning starters back and a favorable schedule, the Sooners should get the nod as the Preseason AP #1 team!

THOSE THAT JUST MISSED OUT:

I mentioned at the start of the blog that last year I had nine of the top 10 teams correctly predicted and it was the same case in 2009 where I also missed out by 1. If one of the team’s I have projected in the Top 10 doesn’t make the polls, there are 4 teams that have a shot at jumping into the Top 10.

Right now, I would project Ohio State to be #11 heading into the season and the only reason they are this low is the fact that several of their key players including QB Pryor and their top RB and WR will miss the first 5 games. Also their first game back is a road trip to Nebraska but I still feel with their strong finish to the 2010 season and the fact that they have won or shared 6 straight Big 10 titles will get them the nod over the Cornhuskers.

At #12 in the AP poll should be Nebraska who returns QB Martinez and 7 starters on defense. Nebraska would have been higher but there has been some turmoil already this past off-season and they were unimpressive in their bowl game.

The rest of the teams are #13 Arkansas and #14 Wisconsin.

There you have it - My projections for the AP Preseason Top 10. As mentioned a couple of times in this article, these WILL NOT BE THE TOP 10 IN MY MAGAZINE. As you know, I tend to go out on a limb in a lot of cases and have a lot of surprise picks in my magazine. Those will be unveiled at the start of June when my magazine hits the newsstands but when the first AP poll comes out in August this year, go ahead and take this list and compare it and you’ll find that probably 9 or maybe even all 10 will be in the Preseason AP

Jacie
2/11/2011, 05:42 PM
Missing from PS's projected top 14 in the opening AP poll:

TCU
Notre Dame
sa*et
Any Big East team
Florida
Miami
USC (but AP isn't voting them whilst on probation)

anglachel
2/11/2011, 05:45 PM
He gets to predict a prediction. Great job if you can get it.

stoopified
2/11/2011, 05:46 PM
Very early but I likee,I likee better if this is the final poll

OULenexaman
2/11/2011, 05:48 PM
I ask again.....why do we play Okie st at Stiilwater AGAIN.

Flagstaffsooner
2/11/2011, 06:08 PM
I ask again.....why do we play Okie st at Stiilwater AGAIN.A Beebe Buufu.
Because T Booger told him to do it.
:pop:

Salt City Sooner
2/11/2011, 06:21 PM
I ask again.....why do we play Okie st at Stiilwater AGAIN.
You can thank CU & Nebraska for that.

OU-HSV
2/11/2011, 07:18 PM
I ask again.....why do we play Okie st at Stiilwater AGAIN.

Due to Nebraska and Colorado leaving the big 12, they had to adjust conference schedules so all big 12 (or now 10) teams play eachother. Therefore there was no way around some schedules doing this. For example, TX Tech has to come to Norman again this season as well.

Sabanball
2/11/2011, 07:34 PM
Seems like you guys get more preseason love than anyone else on regular basis, but this year I definitely think it's deserved. In fact I think it will be you guys and either my Tide or LSU playing for all the marbles next january. Of course, your guys don't have to go through the ringer like we do, you definitely have the easiest path, with basically a two game schedule.

Oh and btw, if Boise beats Georgia, get ready for a media lovefest like you've never seen before...

MyT Oklahoma
2/11/2011, 07:44 PM
Sweet!

P.S. We beat NU in 1986 and 1987 back to back in Lincoln. So trust to Sooner magic this fall when we to play OSU. Ya just gotta believe.

sooner ngintunr
2/11/2011, 08:26 PM
I ask again.....why do we play Okie st at Stiilwater AGAIN.

Better than going to Lubbock next year.

oudavid1
2/11/2011, 08:34 PM
I ask again.....why do we play Okie st at Stiilwater AGAIN.

Because we dont wanna play mizzou and aTm on the road again

you know....the only loses of the season.

This isnt a big deal. They're home field advantage is a joke.

I wish people would stop complaining about that and go back to complaining about my tweets or something.

MR2-Sooner86
2/11/2011, 08:40 PM
I wish people would stop complaining about that and go back to complaining about my tweets or something.

Tweet about OSU's home field advantage ;)

kelloggOUballa
2/11/2011, 08:58 PM
I'll trade playing OSU in Stoolwater for Tech in Norman any day. Better chance of us going 2-0 this way than the reverse.

reevie
2/11/2011, 09:28 PM
I ask again.....why do we play Okie st at Stiilwater AGAIN.

Why are you worried about it? Did you miss the 82-16-7 part? Who cares where we play them, we'll beat the pokes.

Jacie
2/11/2011, 10:00 PM
P.S. We beat NU in 1986 and 1987 back to back in Lincoln. So trust to Sooner magic this fall when we to play OSU.

Never really needed Sooner Magic to beat pokey anywhere . . .

No1Better
2/11/2011, 10:04 PM
It's ours to lose this year. Phil is spot on - we return the best offensive and defensive units in the land. We need to play with reckless abandon and stay salty, if we do, the rest will take care of itself.

Besides, it's time to add some more crystal to the Switzer Center.

ouwasp
2/11/2011, 10:21 PM
Well, like I've said before... The Sooners need the D to rise to the occasion... it has been several yrs since I actually enjoyed watching the Sooner D, as in We're gonna kick some *** this possession! Lately, I can't stand to watch the KO coverage unit, while the D is not that bad, I still catch myself wondering what big play is going to be given up next...

Until the Defense sincerely grows a pair, another MNC will remain not much more than a preseason hope, in my opinion.

MI Sooner
2/11/2011, 11:03 PM
Seems like you guys get more preseason love than anyone else on regular basis, but this year I definitely think it's deserved. In fact I think it will be you guys and either my Tide or LSU playing for all the marbles next january. Of course, your guys don't have to go through the ringer like we do, you definitely have the easiest path, with basically a two game schedule.

Oh and btw, if Boise beats Georgia, get ready for a media lovefest like you've never seen before...

I'd be willing to bet that OU has a harder regular season SOS than Alabama next year, using Sagarin or something similar as the metric.

Sabanball
2/11/2011, 11:11 PM
I'd be willing to bet that OU has a harder regular season SOS than Alabama next year, using Sagarin or something similar as the metric.

Lol...Please, tell me what you base that on? Educate me.

You play a two game schedule with Texas @Dallas and @FSU--no one else to speak of, and please don't tell me OSU. We play @Penn St, @Florida, and @ defending NC Auburn, and host LSU. Hell, I'd argue that, outside of your two game schedule, you won't face a team that is better than Miss St--AND, you have NO CCG this season, we do...

You guys have a great team coming back, and as I've said you guys deserve the preseason no. 1 ranking, but let's not get carried away....;-)

Mike Stoops
2/11/2011, 11:19 PM
Lol...Please, tell me what you base that on? Educate me.

You play a two game schedule with Texas @Dallas and @FSU--no one else to speak of, and please don't tell me OSU. We play @Penn St, @Florida, and @ defending NC Auburn, and host LSU.

Why couldn't you guys beat LSU at their place last year? Don't you know how much we hate those frickers? LOL :)

MI Sooner
2/11/2011, 11:20 PM
Lol...Please, tell me what you base that on? Educate me.

You play a two game schedule with Texas @Dallas and @FSU--no one else to speak of, and please don't tell me OSU. We play @Penn St, @Florida, and @ defending NC Auburn, and host LSU.

I base it on the fact that the teams we play next year had a higher average Sagarin predictor ranking than the teams you play next year. I also expect the teams we play to hold or improve their rankings as much as the teams you play.

MI Sooner
2/11/2011, 11:24 PM
I base it on the fact that the teams we play next year had a higher average Sagarin predictor ranking than the teams you play next year. I also expect the teams we play to hold or improve their rankings as much as the teams you play.

Also, like I said. I'd be willing to bet, so it sounds like free money for you. $20? I know it's not much, but I don't see a whole lot of sense in betting more with someone anonymously over the internet.

Sabanball
2/11/2011, 11:30 PM
MI,

We'll see what happens. I work too hard for my money to gamble it away but let's bookmark this thread and revisit it in November. Anything is possible but if history is any indicator I'd be stealing your money to enter into a wager with you.;) Dont forget the SEC was down this past season--UGA, UF, and UT were all MIA and yet we all know what happened. Make all the jokes you guys want, but the SEC has five crystal balls in five years...

Sabanball
2/11/2011, 11:33 PM
Why couldn't you guys beat LSU at their place last year? Don't you know how much we hate those frickers? LOL :)

Mike,

We should have won that game but thanks to some horrible play- calling from OC Jim McElwain we lost 24-21 in a game that went down to the final minute. That being said, they will be no easier to beat in Tuscaloosa this coming season. When it comes to talent, LSU is loaded and has perhaps the most under-appreciated coach anywhere in Les Miles.....

King Crimson
2/11/2011, 11:40 PM
we play at OK State for the 2nd year in a row. i know for SEC bunny humpers a roadie to Kentucky you guys think is tough.

interesting to see a Bama fan come on this board and yahoo about Oklahoma's undeserved pre-season love.....and who exactly started last season at #1? I believe it was Alabama was it not?

OU-HSV
2/11/2011, 11:47 PM
Seems like you guys get more preseason love than anyone else on regular basis, but this year I definitely think it's deserved. In fact I think it will be you guys and either my Tide or LSU playing for all the marbles next january. Of course, your guys don't have to go through the ringer like we do, you definitely have the easiest path, with basically a two game schedule.

Oh and btw, if Boise beats Georgia, get ready for a media lovefest like you've never seen before...
I'm curious to know why you think your schedule is so much more of a "ringer" than OUrs?? I mean do you really think the SEC matchups that you all have this year are as difficult as they have been the last few years? If so, I disagree. The SEC as a whole may be as unproven, (with fewer big stat/big name/big hype players returning) this season as it has been in several years. Worth mentioning is the fact that Arkansas lost Mallett, Auburn lost Newton, Florida has shown they aren't that great w/out the Teblows and Harvins of the world, etc. etc. (plus Urban is officially gone). The most threatening individual player I see your tide playing this year is that RB out of Little Rock that plays for Auburn (his name slips me without googling it). But I think toughest overall SEC team you all have lined up on your 2011 schedule is LSU, and that's a home game for your tide. And then look at your non-conference schedule...Kent State, Penn State, North Tex., and Ga. Southern...REALLY, haha? So you think those teams are more difficult than fla state, ball state and tulsa? (I mean Ball State is laughable for us)...but on the flip side, the only team worth noting on your non con schedule is Penn State [maybe]. I think Tulsa and Florida state alone beat Penn state and the other fluffs together on your schedule.

I should have mentioned before my rant that during the last, say two years or so, I have given up on the argument of what the best conference in college football is. There's no argument in recent years. It's obvious the SEC has been more dominant, especially when it comes to bowl games (including BCS bowls, and including bowls against Big 12 teams). As much as it pains me to say it, that's just the truth.
But that said, I am okay with disagreeing with you in regards to your comments in your post here. I simply don't see where you think you all face a big "ringer" of a schedule more than OU does. I probably would've left your post alone here had you just said, "neither of our teams face a ringer of a schedule". But oh well, I had to chime in :D
Oh and really, you think OU gets more pre season love than most other teams? That sounds like crazy talk to me. Seems like at least florida, usc and texass have gotten more pre season hype than OU has in recent years. Hell, think back to the SI regional cover that showed texass' dbs on it last season. We've had it in a few threads on here, it's comical.

Flagstaffsooner
2/12/2011, 01:10 AM
(plus Urban is officially gone). Don't be so sure, I hear that he and Farve are opening a recycling bussiness.

Salt City Sooner
2/12/2011, 02:27 AM
Well, like I've said before... The Sooners need the D to rise to the occasion... it has been several yrs since I actually enjoyed watching the Sooner D, as in We're gonna kick some *** this possession! Lately, I can't stand to watch the KO coverage unit, while the D is not that bad, I still catch myself wondering what big play is going to be given up next...

Until the Defense sincerely grows a pair, another MNC will remain not much more than a preseason hope, in my opinion.
I'm assuming that you missed the entire 2009 season, because we were #7 in the nation (# 8 in total D ). I know that year was quite forgettable by OU standards, but it wasn't because of the D. Sans the Tech game, they more than held up their end of the deal. They were championship caliber, but unfortunately, much like 2001, the offense was hardly such.

Blue
2/12/2011, 03:41 AM
I'm curious to know why you think your schedule is so much more of a "ringer" than OUrs?? I mean do you really think the SEC matchups that you all have this year are as difficult as they have been the last few years? If so, I disagree. The SEC as a whole may be as unproven, (with fewer big stat/big name/big hype players returning) this season as it has been in several years. Worth mentioning is the fact that Arkansas lost Mallett, Auburn lost Newton, Florida has shown they aren't that great w/out the Teblows and Harvins of the world, etc. etc. (plus Urban is officially gone). The most threatening individual player I see your tide playing this year is that RB out of Little Rock that plays for Auburn (his name slips me without googling it). But I think toughest overall SEC team you all have lined up on your 2011 schedule is LSU, and that's a home game for your tide. And then look at your non-conference schedule...Kent State, Penn State, North Tex., and Ga. Southern...REALLY, haha? So you think those teams are more difficult than fla state, ball state and tulsa? (I mean Ball State is laughable for us)...but on the flip side, the only team worth noting on your non con schedule is Penn State [maybe]. I think Tulsa and Florida state alone beat Penn state and the other fluffs together on your schedule.

I should have mentioned before my rant that during the last, say two years or so, I have given up on the argument of what the best conference in college football is. There's no argument in recent years. It's obvious the SEC has been more dominant, especially when it comes to bowl games (including BCS bowls, and including bowls against Big 12 teams). As much as it pains me to say it, that's just the truth.
But that said, I am okay with disagreeing with you in regards to your comments in your post here. I simply don't see where you think you all face a big "ringer" of a schedule more than OU does. I probably would've left your post alone here had you just said, "neither of our teams face a ringer of a schedule". But oh well, I had to chime in :D
Oh and really, you think OU gets more pre season love than most other teams? That sounds like crazy talk to me. Seems like at least florida, usc and texass have gotten more pre season hype than OU has in recent years. Hell, think back to the SI regional cover that showed texass' dbs on it last season. We've had it in a few threads on here, it's comical.

Yup. It's his style though. He likes to throw out backhanded compliments.

OU-HSV
2/12/2011, 08:11 AM
Yup. It's his style though. He likes to throw out backhanded compliments.

Oh I know, I'm familiar with his style.
Sabanball and I had a conversation about Sam Bradford last Summer in which he was complimenting Bradford's college abilities, yet tagging him as a system QB and questioning his pro value and his value to the Rams and so on. I won't bump that thread up just yet because he said we should revisit it in 24 months, but I have a feeling he's having second thoughts about his perspective on Sam's NFL abilities and value already even after one season. Am I right Sabanball?

w0lfe
2/12/2011, 10:54 AM
Both saban and the others make good arguements. You cant make that assumption until late next season. You never know what teams will crack or surprise. Sabanball isnt one to troll but both our schedules should be tough next season

ouwasp
2/12/2011, 11:16 AM
I'm assuming that you missed the entire 2009 season, because we were #7 in the nation (# 8 in total D ). I know that year was quite forgettable by OU standards, but it wasn't because of the D. Sans the Tech game, they more than held up their end of the deal. They were championship caliber, but unfortunately, much like 2001, the offense was hardly such.

Maybe you're right, about it being forgettable...

soonervegas
2/12/2011, 11:25 AM
Until a team can shut up the SEC these arguments are spitting against the wind. Let's just hope it is us that ends the streak and preferably against LSU in NOLA. Then at least we can effectively ignore the SEC dogma.

The SEC has earned the smack talk as of right now....

silverwheels
2/12/2011, 11:44 AM
Lol...Please, tell me what you base that on? Educate me.

You play a two game schedule with Texas @Dallas and @FSU--no one else to speak of, and please don't tell me OSU. We play @Penn St, @Florida, and @ defending NC Auburn, and host LSU. Hell, I'd argue that, outside of your two game schedule, you won't face a team that is better than Miss St--AND, you have NO CCG this season, we do...

You guys have a great team coming back, and as I've said you guys deserve the preseason no. 1 ranking, but let's not get carried away....;-)

Penn State and Florida both had average seasons last year. Away from Tuscaloosa or not, I don't see how either of those games will be that difficult, and certainly not as difficult as having to go to Stillwater for the second year in a row when they just came off their first 11-win season ever. Especially since JoePa won't do the right thing and retire and Florida just turned over their entire staff. Come on, dude.

JLEW1818
2/12/2011, 12:23 PM
Until a team can shut up the SEC these arguments are spitting against the wind. Let's just hope it is us that ends the streak and preferably against LSU in NOLA. Then at least we can effectively ignore the SEC dogma.

The SEC has earned the smack talk as of right now....

yep

MyT Oklahoma
2/12/2011, 12:31 PM
Never really needed Sooner Magic to beat pokey anywhere . . .

I disagree. In 1984 there was some Sooner Magic involved when Number Two OU beat Number Three OSU in Norman.

Sooner Magic is not just one lucky play but it's an attitude plus a little luck in my opinion. OSU could have beat us that day but didn't. I remember because I was there.

oudivesherpa
2/12/2011, 07:36 PM
Phil Steele has a wealth of information in his magazine, and he is the most accurate forecaster in the country. For his June, 2010 relase he had OU #1, which is amazing since we lost 5 games in 2009. I look for a top ten finish and playing in the National Championship game. I won't predict the outcome of that (NC) game until I know who we are playing.

yankee
2/12/2011, 07:57 PM
I think Phil likes to pat himself on the back more than our very own David does...:eek:

Blue
2/12/2011, 08:03 PM
I think Phil likes to pat himself on the back more than our very own David does...:eek:

Yeah he does, but I do like his preseason mag the best.

yankee
2/12/2011, 08:06 PM
Yeah he does, but I do like his preseason mag the best.

Yea, it doesn't stop me from buying his mag either. :D

oudavid1
2/12/2011, 08:57 PM
I think Phil likes to pat himself on the back more than our very own David does...:eek:

what am I? a mascot?

MiccoMacey
2/12/2011, 11:03 PM
Lol...Please, tell me what you base that on? Educate me.

You play a two game schedule with Texas @Dallas and @FSU--no one else to speak of, and please don't tell me OSU. We play @Penn St, @Florida, and @ defending NC Auburn, and host LSU. Hell, I'd argue that, outside of your two game schedule, you won't face a team that is better than Miss St--AND, you have NO CCG this season, we do...

You guys have a great team coming back, and as I've said you guys deserve the preseason no. 1 ranking, but let's not get carried away....;-)

1) Why should I not tell you OSU? They won't be gunning for a NC, but they will be in the pre-season Top 10, they finished 11-2, and won their bowl game convincingly. They have one of the better batteries in the game returning in Weeden and Blackmon. If you get to mention Mississippi State, who only finished at 9-4 and lost their DC to Texas, then I most definitely will mention OSU.

2) Not to mention A&M. Name five other teams that finished as well as they did, winning six in a row and beating OU (whom you already said you think highly of), Texas and Nebraska. They return something like 19 starters from a team that went 9-4 (a more comparable record to the Mississippi State team you mentioned). Again, I'm not saying they'll be world beaters, but they're a darn site better than the Florida that you mentioned, who is surviving on name alone right now.

3) You already named our third team that will start in the Top 10-12, Florida State.

4) We agree on LSU (pains me to say that). Besides LSU (who is returning a QB in Jefferson who didn't really wow anyone this past year), you mention a Cam Newton-less Auburn and Penn State.

I can't see a Penn State team that went 7-6 and started basically two new freshmen at QB (one threw two passes in one season). Plus, I think Royster was a senior.

I can concede Auburn, but not because they're some great juggernaut NC team. Cam was so much of their offense. I think they'll struggle with basically a sophomore QB with something like 9 passes returning.

sperry
2/13/2011, 02:29 AM
Alabama is going to find out, again, that losing all your best players on one side of the ball tends to hurt a little bit. They lost most of their defense after '09, and they ended up in 4th place in their division. This year, they lose their best players on offense, and also their best defensive player.

The only SEC team that has a shot at the title this year is LSU. Of course we will have the ESPN gameday crew debating gems like "Is this 4 loss Alabama team more deserving than an undefeated Big 10 team?", but not withstanding that the conference will be way down. Everyone in the East will be bad again next year. Auburn and Arkansas will return to their usual 7-5, 8-4 type selves.

Blue
2/13/2011, 02:42 AM
nm

Collier11
2/13/2011, 03:12 AM
Bama wants Mike Shula back

Collier11
2/13/2011, 03:16 AM
Lol...Please, tell me what you base that on? Educate me.

You play a two game schedule with Texas @Dallas and @FSU--no one else to speak of, and please don't tell me OSU. We play @Penn St,

Yea cus Penn State is any better than OSU on the road, lol


@Florida

you mean 5 loss Florida who will probably lose 4-5 again this year?


and @ defending NC Auburn

Auburn will be lucky to win 8 next year

and host LSU. Hell, I'd argue that, outside of your two game schedule, you won't face a team that is better than Miss St--AND, you have NO CCG this season, we do...

You guys have a great team coming back, and as I've said you guys deserve the preseason no. 1 ranking, but let's not get carried away....;-)

So, again, the SEC is being propped up as more special than it really is, typical, especially this year and last..

Ou plays tex, FSU, A&M, Mizzou, OSU and tech, all pretty good teams

Collier11
2/13/2011, 03:16 AM
I will admit that at the top, the SEC is better and that has been proven, but across the board they are no stronger than the Big 12

CBUS_SOONER
2/13/2011, 08:28 AM
Do we really have a bye week before the FSU game? Or is it gonna be filled

pphilfran
2/13/2011, 08:50 AM
Lol...Please, tell me what you base that on? Educate me.

You play a two game schedule with Texas @Dallas and @FSU--no one else to speak of, and please don't tell me OSU. We play @Penn St, @Florida, and @ defending NC Auburn, and host LSU. Hell, I'd argue that, outside of your two game schedule, you won't face a team that is better than Miss St--AND, you have NO CCG this season, we do...

You guys have a great team coming back, and as I've said you guys deserve the preseason no. 1 ranking, but let's not get carried away....;-)

Auburn will be a shell of itself...

Okie State and Miss State would be a damn good game...

texas will be texas in name only...

A&M will be more than competitive...

Florida has coaching changes...only a name...

Six loss Penn St....

Let's not get carried away...

JLEW1818
2/13/2011, 11:38 AM
Kentucky sucks!!! i bet on them and lost money in the bowl game... i don't even remember who they played!!!

Salt City Sooner
2/13/2011, 02:50 PM
Do we really have a bye week before the FSU game? Or is it gonna be filledSchedule's full dude. Since we're now playing 9 conference games we only have room for 3 OOC's.

Salt City Sooner
2/13/2011, 02:52 PM
Kentucky sucks!!! i bet on them and lost money in the bowl game... i don't even remember who they played!!!
They lost to Pitt. You know, the same Pitt who was so good that they canned their coach.

MamaMia
2/13/2011, 03:13 PM
Playing oSu in Stillwater isn't as easy as playing them in Norman but at least we wont have to contend with the Ref Raiders in Lubbock. :D

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/OUmom/OU%20Football/tt.jpg

Sabanball
2/13/2011, 09:50 PM
Alabama is going to find out, again, that losing all your best players on one side of the ball tends to hurt a little bit. They lost most of their defense after '09, and they ended up in 4th place in their division. This year, they lose their best players on offense, and also their best defensive player.

The only SEC team that has a shot at the title this year is LSU. Of course we will have the ESPN gameday crew debating gems like "Is this 4 loss Alabama team more deserving than an undefeated Big 10 team?", but not withstanding that the conference will be way down. Everyone in the East will be bad again next year. Auburn and Arkansas will return to their usual 7-5, 8-4 type selves.

We return 15 starters, just like you guys do, and lost one truly great player, Julio Jones. He is, I guess you could say, our "Demarco Murray", in that sense. LSU is loaded and there's no denying it. All they need is more development at the qb position and they could easily end up being the best team in the country next yr and/or winning it all next season. As I've said, we'll start out ranked higher than them, but I really think it's a tossup right now between us(Bama) and LSU as to who wins the SEC West next season. It's hard to get a read on the East. If Georgia's recruiting is any indicator, and it usually is NOT, then they could be a player against next yr--Mark Richt's job will definitely be on the line. But even so they are way behind on the talent meter when compared to us and LSU.

In response to some of you others, I'll concede our OOC schedule is no weaker than yours, in fact I've never tried to say otherwise(can you say "Kent State"..Lol). But, to try to say that OU's overall SOS is tougher than Bama's for 2011, well, I couldn't just let that go when MI Sooner posted that and that is why I responded the way that I did. And I stand by what I said about you guys having basically a two game schedule--you'll easily be double digit favorites in 10 games this year. Other than when you guys came out of nowhere in 2000, this will be your best shot yet and the one with the least obstacles under Bob to win a national title. In fact, all things considered, I agree with what No1Better said, it's yours to lose this season and as such I'd consider this upcoming season a failure if I was an OU fan and it didn't happen...Good luck all the way, unless we meet in NO.:-)

SoonerRoy
2/13/2011, 09:58 PM
The local OSU is rated too high. 3 losses for sure in 2011.

oudavid1
2/13/2011, 10:37 PM
We return 15 starters, just like you guys do, and lost one truly great player, Julio Jones. He is, I guess you could say, our "Demarco Murray", in that sense. LSU is loaded and there's no denying it. All they need is more development at the qb position and they could easily end up being the best team in the country next yr and/or winning it all next season. As I've said, we'll start out ranked higher than them, but I really think it's a tossup right now between us(Bama) and LSU as to who wins the SEC West next season. It's hard to get a read on the East. If Georgia's recruiting is any indicator, and it usually is NOT, then they could be a player against next yr--Mark Richt's job will definitely be on the line. But even so they are way behind on the talent meter when compared to us and LSU.

In response to some of you others, I'll concede our OOC schedule is no weaker than yours, in fact I've never tried to say otherwise(can you say "Kent State"..Lol). But, to try to say that OU's overall SOS is tougher than Bama's for 2011, well, I couldn't just let that go when MI Sooner posted that and that is why I responded the way that I did. And I stand by what I said about you guys having basically a two game schedule--you'll easily be double digit favorites in 10 games this year. Other than when you guys came out of nowhere in 2000, this will be your best shot yet and the one with the least obstacles under Bob to win a national title. In fact, all things considered, I agree with what No1Better said, it's yours to lose this season and as such I'd consider this upcoming season a failure if I was an OU fan and it didn't happen...Good luck all the way, unless we meet in NO.:-)

Alabama dosnt have a proven QB. Dosnt have an elite WR. And an unproven RB. I know Trent is very good, but there was a reason he was a backup. They have an unproven defense. Alabama lost all their respect when they gave up a 24 point lead to Auburn. See ya.

Collier11
2/13/2011, 10:40 PM
I do think Mccarron will be a stud though

JLEW1818
2/13/2011, 11:01 PM
Bama didn't have a proven qb going into 2009 either. They also had an unproven RB in 2009 who won the Heisman

....

Sabanball
2/14/2011, 12:25 AM
Alabama dosnt have a proven QB. Dosnt have an elite WR. And an unproven RB. I know Trent is very good, but there was a reason he was a backup. They have an unproven defense. Alabama lost all their respect when they gave up a 24 point lead to Auburn. See ya.

So....where would you rank Bama in the 2011 preseason?

Collier11
2/14/2011, 12:32 AM
Me personally, considering that Florida and Auburn will likely be down, LSU is going to be really good, Id put Bama 4-6

oudavid1
2/14/2011, 09:17 AM
Bama didn't have a proven qb going into 2009 either. They also had an unproven RB in 2009 who won the Heisman

....

they did have a good defense and good WRs


So....where would you rank Bama in the 2011 preseason?

this is a good question. ehhh.....7

Sabanball
2/14/2011, 11:27 AM
Personally, I'd just assume we start out ranked outside of the top 5--but that's not going to happen. Bottom line, OU and Bama have one thing in common--all both teams have to do is win out and you're in the BCS title game, no matter what either's preseason ranking is.

oudavid1
2/14/2011, 12:10 PM
Personally, I'd just assume we start out ranked outside of the top 5--but that's not going to happen. Bottom line, OU and Bama have one thing in common--all both teams have to do is win out and you're in the BCS title game, no matter what either's preseason ranking is.

thats true for a lot of teams. Way to fish with dynamite.

Sabanball
2/14/2011, 12:52 PM
thats true for a lot of teams. Way to fish with dynamite.

Well, then, what's your point about the preseason rankings?

Mike Stoops
2/14/2011, 04:58 PM
Mike,

We should have won that game but thanks to some horrible play- calling from OC Jim McElwain we lost 24-21 in a game that went down to the final minute. That being said, they will be no easier to beat in Tuscaloosa this coming season. When it comes to talent, LSU is loaded and has perhaps the most under-appreciated coach anywhere in Les Miles.....

Fair enough. At least you took care of business against the evil longhorns and made Mack "pout." :D

oudavid1
2/14/2011, 07:22 PM
Well, then, what's your point about the preseason rankings?

dam, nice comeback. I see your point.

OULenexaman
2/14/2011, 10:51 PM
A Beebe Buufu.
Because T Booger told him to do it.
:pop: I get it now...damn Booger and Beebe. Could be worse.:D

Sooners78
2/15/2011, 09:37 AM
I ask again.....why do we play Okie st at Stiilwater AGAIN.

Not a big deal. We have at least one tough road game every season. Any team that goes thru a season undefeated without a tough road game doesn't deserve to be national champions.

Jacie
2/15/2011, 10:56 AM
Fair enough. At least you took care of business against the evil longhorns and made Mack "pout." :D

Yeah, all Bob Stoops can elicit from Mack is that sucking-on-lemons look . . .

MiccoMacey
2/15/2011, 12:49 PM
We return 15 starters, just like you guys do, and lost one truly great player, Julio Jones.

You also lose your starting QB. Way to leave out that little bit of info.



In response to some of you others, I'll concede our OOC schedule is no weaker than yours, in fact I've never tried to say otherwise(can you say "Kent State"..Lol). But, to try to say that OU's overall SOS is tougher than Bama's for 2011, well, I couldn't just let that go when MI Sooner posted that and that is why I responded the way that I did. And I stand by what I said about you guys having basically a two game schedule--you'll easily be double digit favorites in 10 games this year. Other than when you guys came out of nowhere in 2000, this will be your best shot yet and the one with the least obstacles under Bob to win a national title. In fact, all things considered, I agree with what No1Better said, it's yours to lose this season and as such I'd consider this upcoming season a failure if I was an OU fan and it didn't happen...Good luck all the way, unless we meet in NO.:-)

So...in a thread where they're talking about predicted pre-season starts, OU will face three of the projected Top Ten teams in the nation. And you honestly think this is a two-game schedule? And you base that, in part, on a game with 5-7 Texas?

I think you're a very objectionable poster usually. But this is kind of way over the top, IMO.

I agree with a lot of the other stuff in your post. This will probably be our best shot to win it all (unless Landry comes back for his senior year).

I'm not arguing against Alabama or its schedule. You guys should be very tough next year, and your schedule is going to be tough again next year (although not for the reasons you stated already).

I just can't see what you're seeing on OU's schedule. At all. We're not even close.

Seamus
2/15/2011, 01:45 PM
I think you're a very objectionable poster usually. But this is kind of way over the top, IMO.


Objectionable, or objective? ;)

MiccoMacey
2/15/2011, 01:49 PM
Crrrrrrap...thanks for the catch, Seamus.

Yes, I meant objective.

MI Sooner
11/23/2011, 12:54 PM
After Sabanball said Bama had to go through the grinder and that OU had a two game schedule (w/ no one else better than Miss St), I said that I'd be willing to bet that OU's scheduled games would be more difficult than Bama's, using Sagarin or something similar as the metric.

His reply:


Lol...Please, tell me what you base that on? Educate me.

You play a two game schedule with Texas @Dallas and @FSU--no one else to speak of, and please don't tell me OSU. We play @Penn St, @Florida, and @ defending NC Auburn, and host LSU. Hell, I'd argue that, outside of your two game schedule, you won't face a team that is better than Miss St--AND, you have NO CCG this season, we do...

You guys have a great team coming back, and as I've said you guys deserve the preseason no. 1 ranking, but let's not get carried away....;-)

Self-serving bump. Hey, I'm not right that often, so I need to point out those rare occassions when I am.

As of today, Sagarin's SOS rank:

OU - 6 (w/ games vs ISU and @OkSt remaining)
Bama - 24 (@Auburn remaining)

There will still be some movement w/ our OOC opponents having some big games left and several SEC/ACC matchups this week, but I feel fairly confident that per my proposed metric, OU will have had the harder regular season schedule.

Man, too bad we had to go through the grinder, and didn't have a two-game schedule like Bama, huh?

soonervegas
11/23/2011, 01:14 PM
How many years in a row is Steele going to bet on a perennial 2 loss team?

Mad Dog Madsen
11/23/2011, 01:16 PM
Self-serving bump. Hey, I'm not right that often, so I need to point out those rare occassions when I am.

Sooooo, you bumped this thread to let everyone know you we're right?

MI Sooner
11/23/2011, 01:19 PM
Did Steele pick us to win the national championship? I thought he picked Bama.

This was just a thread on his projected preseason AP top 10, which did indeed have us #1.

MI Sooner
11/23/2011, 01:20 PM
Sooooo, you bumped this thread to let everyone know you we're right?

That, and Sabanball was wrong. So there were two good reasons to do what I did.

Mad Dog Madsen
11/23/2011, 01:23 PM
Ok, I can dig it...

cleller
11/23/2011, 05:00 PM
That, and Sabanball was wrong. So there were two good reasons to do what I did.

Get ready for a "Nyah, I'd rather be wrong and ranked #2 right now" comeback. I hate arguments that end that way.

soonercastor
11/23/2011, 08:14 PM
"Nyah, I'd rather be wrong and ranked #2 right now"

well....wouldn't you?

MI Sooner
11/23/2011, 10:14 PM
well....wouldn't you?

Oh, most definitely. But ideally, the guy who was 1) so sure he was right as to find the opposing argument laughable, 2) unwilling to bet, and 3) ultimately wrong, would admit it before gloating z out being right about battling LSU for the SEC/BCS.