Peak Oil in 2012

[MR2-Sooner86]

Before anybody starts whining and bitching about rules being broken, it's a Yahoo! News article on the front page of their site.

WikiLeaks: Saudis running out of oil (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110209/ts_yblog_thelookout/wikileaks-saudis-running-out-of-oil#mwpphu-container)


The latest startling revelation to come via documents leaked to Julian Assange's muckraking website and published by The Guardian should give pause to every suburban SUV-driver: U.S. officials think Saudi Arabia is overpromising on its capacity to supply oil to a fuel-thirsty world. That sets up a scenario, the documents show, whereby the Saudis could dramatically underdeliver on output by as soon as next year, sending fuel prices soaring.

The cables detail a meeting between a U.S. diplomat and Sadad al-Husseini, a geologist and former head of exploration for Saudi oil monopoly Aramco, in November 2007. Husseini told the American official that the Saudis are unlikely to keep to their target oil output of 12.5 million barrels per day output in order to keep prices stable. Husseini also indicated that Saudi producers are likely to hit "peak oil" -- the point at which global output hit its high mark -- as early as 2012. That means, in essence, that it will be all downhill from there for the enormous Saudi oil industry.

"According to al-Husseini, the crux of the issue is twofold. First, it is possible that Saudi reserves are not as bountiful as sometimes described, and the timeline for their production not as unrestrained as Aramco and energy optimists would like to portray," one of the cables reads. "While al-Husseini fundamentally contradicts the Aramco company line, he is no doomsday theorist. His pedigree, experience and outlook demand that his predictions be thoughtfully considered."

[SoonerStormchaser]

Part of me is worried that they're gonna be the next domino to fall in this Mid-East revolution crap that's going on out there. Apparently, the wimmenz in the country have had enough of being second class citizens and a bunch of em are openly criticizing the govt...even though they're probably gonna get whacked as a result.

[The Profit]

Part of me is worried that they're gonna be the next domino to fall in this Mid-East revolution crap that's going on out there. Apparently, the wimmenz in the country have had enough of being second class citizens and a bunch of em are openly criticizing the govt...even though they're probably gonna get whacked as a result.




Storm, they might not be next, but it is just a matter of time.

[bigfatjerk]

I think it's time we rely on other sources not in the middle east for our oil. We have enough in America to manage for a short term. But neither party wants to fund a nuclear program since the far left in the 1970s basically got us out of that business. It's amazing that both parties right now want us to go to foreign middle easy oil or foreign middle east oil.

[tcrb]

I think it's time we rely on other sources not in the middle east for our oil. We have enough in America to manage for a short term. But neither party wants to fund a nuclear program since the far left in the 1970s basically got us out of that business. It's amazing that both parties right now want us to go to foreign middle easy oil or foreign middle east oil.


Obama made some noise last year about appropriating funds for some new reactors here in the US, but in reality, he knows that unless he lifts the extremely rigid restrictions on waste storage, there wont be one shovel of dirt turned to start construction.

China currently has 21 nuclear reactors under construction. The company I work for is building 16 of them. At least we are getting a few jobs out of the deal.

[bigfatjerk]

Waste is pretty much the problem with any type of energy, but I think we need real alternatives and give them all the same fair chance.

[yermom]

nuclear waste is scarier than regular waste though

and the way the govt. likes to sell us out, who knows what they will do with it

[okie52]

Obama made some noise last year about appropriating funds for some new reactors here in the US, but in reality, he knows that unless he lifts the extremely rigid restrictions on waste storage, there wont be one shovel of dirt turned to start construction.

China currently has 21 nuclear reactors under construction. The company I work for is building 16 of them. At least we are getting a few jobs out of the deal.

Noise was all it was. We're still waiting for the man of science to find us new waste repository or explain why he closed last down.

[pphilfran]

I think it's time we rely on other sources not in the middle east for our oil. We have enough in America to manage for a short term. But neither party wants to fund a nuclear program since the far left in the 1970s basically got us out of that business. It's amazing that both parties right now want us to go to foreign middle easy oil or foreign middle east oil.


Nukes won't really do squat to lessen crude dependence...about 1% of our electricity comes from oil...

Nukes could help future electric car needs...

[MR2-Sooner86]

nuclear waste is scarier than regular waste though

and the way the govt. likes to sell us out, who knows what they will do with it

It's not Waste: Nuclear Fuel is Reusable (http://www.larouchepac.com/node/14720)

When other modern fuel sources—wood, coal, oil, gas— are burned, there is nothing left, except some ashes and airborne pollutant by-products, which nuclear energy does not produce. But spent nuclear fuel still has from 95 percent to 99 percent of unused uranium in it, and this can be recycled.

This means that if the United States buries its 70,000 metric tons of spent nuclear fuel, we would be wasting 66,000 metric tons of uranium-238, which could be used to make new fuel. In addition, we would be wasting about 1,200 metric tons of fissile uranium-235 and plutonium-239. Because of the high energy density in the nucleus, this relatively small amount of fuel (it would fit in one small house) is equivalent in energy to about 20 percent of the U.S. oil reserves.

Ninety-six percent of the spent fuel can be turned into new fuel. The 4 percent of the so-called waste that remains—2,500 metric tons—consists of highly radioactive materials, but these are also usable. There are about 80 tons each of cesium-137 and strontium-90 that could be separated out for use in medical applications, such as sterilization of medical supplies. Using isotope separation techniques, and fast-neutron bombardment for transmutation (technologies that the United States pioneered but now refuses to develop), we could separate out all sorts of isotopes, like americium, which is used in smoke detectors, or isotopes used in medical testing and treatment.


Recycling Nuclear Fuel: The French Do It, Why Can't Oui? (http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2007/12/recycling-nuclear-fuel-the-french-do-it-why-cant-oui)

What if lawmakers forced us to bury 95 percent of our energy resources?

That is exactly what Washington does when it comes to safe, affordable and CO2-free nuclear energy. Indeed, 95 percent of the used fuel from America's 104 power reactors, which provide about 20 percent of the nation's electricity, could be recycled for future use.

To create power, reactor fuel must contain 3-5 percent burnable uranium. Once the burnable uranium falls below that level, the fuel must be replaced. But this "spent" fuel generally retains about 95 percent of the uranium it started with, and that uranium can be recycled.

Over the past four decades, America's reactors have produced about 56,000 tons of used fuel. That "waste" contains roughly enough energy to power every U.S. household for 12 years. And it's just sitting there, piling up at power plant storage facilities. Talk about waste!

The sad thing is, the United States developed the technology to recapture that energy decades ago, then barred its commercial use in 1977. We have practiced a virtual moratorium ever since.

Other countries have not taken such a backward approach to nuclear power. France, whose 59 reactors generate 80 percent of its electricity, has safely recycled nuclear fuel for decades.

[okie52]

Nukes won't really do squat to lessen crude dependence...about 1% of our electricity comes from oil...

Nukes could help future electric car needs...

Indeed.

[Sooner5030]

Nukes could help future electric car needs...

I've always wondered how electric cars get the energy for their heater and is there a loss of efficiency in extreme cold weather.....like the last week.

[okie52]

It's not Waste: Nuclear Fuel is Reusable (http://www.larouchepac.com/node/14720)



Recycling Nuclear Fuel: The French Do It, Why Can't Oui? (http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2007/12/recycling-nuclear-fuel-the-french-do-it-why-cant-oui)

And again the man of science won't pursue this because of his fear of terrorists capturing recycled waste. Even though France and a lot of the world already use this process and dramatically reduce the amount of nuclear waste.

[MR2-Sooner86]

And again the man of science won't pursue this because of his fear of terrorists capturing recycled waste. Even though France and a lot of the world already use this process and dramatically reduce the amount of nuclear waste.

Although terrorism is now the new "excuse" the green salad tossers in this country have done everything they can to slow down or ban nuclear power.

Pop quiz, anybody know when ground was broken for the last nuclear facility built in the United States? 1974.

[bigfatjerk]

Nukes won't really do squat to lessen crude dependence...about 1% of our electricity comes from oil...

Nukes could help future electric car needs...

I agree. But we probably will never completely go away from coal for electricity because we have so much of it.

[tcrb]

Nuclear Power Development: Removing Roadblocks (http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba700)


Monday, March 29, 2010

by H. Sterling Burnett

The use of nuclear power to generate electricity is growing worldwide. More than 100 nuclear power plants are under construction or in various stages of planning, and many existing plants are expanding. [See the figure.]

President Obama recently announced an $8.33 billion federal loan guarantee for the construction of a pair of nuclear reactors in Georgia. The president also said he wants to triple the amount of loans the federal government guarantees in order to jumpstart seven to 10 new nuclear power projects over the next decade. The guarantees should lower borrowing costs and make financing easier to obtain. However, until the government meets its legal obligation to provide storage for spent nuclear fuel and high-level radioactive waste, only a few new nuclear reactors are likely to be built. Fortunately, solutions are available if the government is willing to embrace them.

Politics and Nuclear Waste. The most problematic nuclear waste in the United States is spent fuel rods from nuclear reactors. The problem is largely a creation of the federal government. In the early 1970s, the now defunct Atomic Energy Commission tightened regulations on the nascent U.S. nuclear recycling industry, which increased costs and made recycling uneconomical. As a result, the sole recycling plant in the United States closed and construction on a second facility was halted. In 1977, due to fear of nuclear proliferation, President Jimmy Carter signed an executive order that officially banned nuclear fuel reprocessing.

With waste building up, Congress passed the 1982 Nuclear Waste Policy Act (amended in 1988) to ensure proper long-term storage. The act required the U.S. Department of Energy to develop and maintain an underground storage facility for nuclear waste:

* The site had to meet strict criteria, including the ability to safely contain 77,000 metric tons of material for up to 10,000 years.
* The material had to be accessible for 50 years in the event President Carter's ban was reversed and a recycling program was allowed.
* To pay for storage, a tax was levied on the nuclear power industry.

After 26 years and more than $8 billion (collected from nuclear operators), the Energy Department determined that Yucca Mountain, Nevada, was a satisfactory storage place. However, despite scientific evidence that Yucca Mountain is safe, lawsuits and political wrangling have prevented use of the site as a storage facility. In fact, the Obama administration recently zeroed out spending on Yucca Mountain, announcing that the program would be terminated.

Reducing Waste through Recycling. The uranium in spent nuclear fuel rods can be reprocessed into new fuel. Most of the nuclear waste disposal problem would be eliminated if the government ended its prohibition on recycling.

In addition, recycling used fuel rods would provide a nearly endless source of domestic energy. The United States has abundant uranium (raw nuclear fuel) sources. Indeed, at current levels of use, accessible uranium reserves can provide an estimated 300-year worldwide supply of fuel, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency. One kilogram of natural uranium contains as much energy as 38.5 tons of coal, but only about 3 percent of that energy is utilized in conventional reactors. Thus, recycling existing and future spent fuel rods would provide a virtually unlimited supply of nuclear fuel. Even greater nuclear fuel supplies can be liberated from more than 15,000 plutonium pits removed from dismantled U.S. and Soviet nuclear weapons.

Reducing Greenhouse Gas Emissions. Moreover, in a carbon conscious world, nuclear power emits little carbon dioxide (CO2), whereas other energy sources emit far more:

* Coal-fired power plants produce 1,041 tons of CO2 per gigawatt hour (one billion watt hours) of electricity generated.
* Natural gas plants produce 622 tons of CO2.
* Solar generators produce 39 tons of CO2.

By contrast, nuclear power plants generate only 17 tons of CO2 per gigawatt hour of electricity produced. This is especially important should the United States adopt limits on CO2 emissions in order to address concerns about climate change.

Storing Nuclear Waste. Even with recycling, nuclear energy production will create radioactive waste. Thus, the question of storage remains. Fortunately, even if Yucca Mountain is not an option, the United States already has a location successfully storing high-level radioactive waste.

The Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) near Carlsbad, New Mexico, has been operating for more than nine years. More than 100,000 containers of radioactive material - equivalent to about 280,000 55-gallon drums - have been stored in a massive bedded (layered) salt deposit there. The salt in the formation is self-sealing: It flows like sand to fill in, or seal, the disposal chambers completely. The location is remote, but has sufficient infrastructure for ongoing disposal operations.

WIPP has been extensively monitored for human health and environmental risks for 15 years, including six years before operations began. The Carlsbad Environmental Monitoring and Research Center at New Mexico State University reported that from 1993 to the present there has been no evidence of an increase in contaminants in the ground, air or water near WIPP. Indeed, due to the unique self-sealing and impermeability properties of the salt, radiation levels have not exceeded the baseline measured before the operation began.

The main impediment to using the location as a central depository for spent nuclear fuel rods is the current legal requirement that waste be retrievable for up to 50 years. Once waste is stored in WIPP, it isn't coming out again.

Conclusion. The disposal of used nuclear fuel rods remains a roadblock to expansion of U.S. nuclear power capacity. Reprocessing used fuel rods would dramatically reduce the amount of waste requiring long-term storage. It would also dramatically increase domestic energy supplies. With or without recycling, sites like WIPP offer a safe, ready solution.

H. Sterling Burnett is a senior fellow with the National Center for Policy Analysis.

[bigfatjerk]

Nukes won't really do squat to lessen crude dependence...about 1% of our electricity comes from oil...

Nukes could help future electric car needs...

We'll probably never go away coal for electric power because we have a lot of it and it works fairly well. Maybe in the distant future we can find ways to use Nukes for all electricity better.

But in reality I don't see us going toward any nuclear power. Neither party wants us to do this.

[okie52]

Although terrorism is now the new "excuse" the green salad tossers in this country have done everything they can to slow down or ban nuclear power.

Pop quiz, anybody know when ground was broken for the last nuclear facility built in the United States? 1974.

I knew it has been over 30 years since we have given out a license for a new plant. Capital costs, red tape, construction standards......

[bigfatjerk]

According to everyone's information source wikipedia 1979 was the last time we built a nuke power plant.

[soonercruiser]

Indeed.

Oui, oui!
Another area that the government needs to get out of the way where they are obstructing developing new energy sources.
Drill baby, drill! (for the time being!)

And even today in Congressional hearings, the Demoncrats where demagoguing that the Repugs want to neuter the EPA on regulating CO2 and carbon emmissions. Duh!
:rolleyes:

[MR2-Sooner86]

According to everyone's information source wikipedia 1979 was the last time we built a nuke power plant.

It depends really.

Of the 104 plants now operating, ground was broken on all of them in 1974 or earlier. (http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/nuclear-renaissance-is-short-on-largess/)

Groundbreaking on Watts Bar Nuclear Plant occurred in 1972, with major construction beginning a year later.
Unit 1, the last commercial nuclear unit in the United States to come online in the 20th century, began commercial operation in May 1996. (http://www.tva.gov/power/nuclear/wattsbar.htm)

[tcrb]

There is a nuclear facility currently being completed in Tennessee....construction was suspended in 1985. but resumed in 2007. Watts Bar 2 is scheduled to go online in 2013.

[okie52]

There is a nuclear facility currently being completed in Tennessee....construction was suspended in 1985. but resumed in 2007. Watts Bar 2 is scheduled to go online in 2013.

But isn't that a new unit to an existing site? I think it has also had some more setbacks too.

[tcrb]

But isn't that a new unit to an existing site? I think it has also had some more setbacks too.

Yes, the construction currently in progress is actually the completion of the project as it was originally planned. Watts Bar Nuclear Plant is the TVA’s third nuclear power plant. Construction began in 1973, and Unit 1 began full commercial operation in 1996. In 1988 TVA suspended construction of Unit 2 because of a reduction in the predicted growth of power demand.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Question.

With the "drill, baby, drill" mantra and the current way oil is traded, wouldn't drilling and exploiting US oil sources simply allow US oil companies to put that oil on the commodities market just like other sources? And by doing so, simply incentivize OPEC to decrease production to keep prices up, therefore burning up our oil here at home while middle eastern countries preserve their reserves?

Wouldn't we WANT to use all of theirs before we use all of ours?

[okie52]

Question.

With the "drill, baby, drill" mantra and the current way oil is traded, wouldn't drilling and exploiting US oil sources simply allow US oil companies to put that oil on the commodities market just like other sources? And by doing so, simply incentivize OPEC to decrease production to keep prices up, therefore burning up our oil here at home while middle eastern countries preserve their reserves?

Wouldn't we WANT to use all of theirs before we use all of ours?

You could start by looking at the trade deficit created by our importing oil vs the high paying jobs and associated wages that will be here in the US. Add to that the bonuses, tax revenues and royalties that will be paid to our broke government from exploration and production. Then you can add "peak oil" aspect where demand outstrips supply and it will only exacerbate the already fragile situation.

When we have a foreign policy that is largely dictated by our dependence on other countries oil we are forced into wars and/or positions that destroys our independence and to a large degree our country's integrity. To remove that lodestone from our necks would free us to be more objective in our international pursuits rather than having to play a rather poor hand.

I prefer we move to Ng since we have an abundance here in the US and offshore...of course you still have to drill for it and be allowed to drill where ng and oil exist...something some may frown about.

Besides, the idea is to get us off oil in the next 40-50 years so what value is there in saving something that you are trying to eliminate?

[MR2-Sooner86]

There are several problems when it comes to our energy. They can be worked out though but it will take time and money.

Nuclear energy is the best energy source but until the red tape and road blocks disappear it'll take a bit to install a nice nuclear grid. Also, solar and wind power have brainwashed enough people to where it's the new thing even though it's utterly useless.

Now, lets say we have cheap nuclear energy for a high-speed rail system. Can it be done? Yes but we can't use Europe or Japan as a model.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1AysH3o4kMo/TE3llScp6pI/AAAAAAAAAkM/gkMbbFWOxNU/s640/TEXAS+EUROPE+SIZE+COMPARISON+MAP.jpg
http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/japan/japanworkbook/geography/map3.jpeg

As you can see compared to Japan and Europe, arguably the places with the best rail systems in place, it's apples to oranges.

Europe and Japan are densely populated places in centralized locations.

Example, lets say there's a rail between Oklahoma City and Dallas. If you're in Fort Worth, you'll have to drive almost an hour just to reach the rail station, park, wait for the train, get on, and then head to Oklahoma City. Some people might want to skip that trouble and just head North in their car. Also, when they get there, is the public transportation system in place?

New York has the infrastructure like subways, taxi cabs, and buses in place to move people all over the city so you really don't need a car. So a high-speed rails going into New York City from Washington D.C., Boston, etc. can be seen. What about other cities around the country? Dallas and Oklahoma City don't have that in place so you'll have a harder time getting around if there's a train between the two.

Before you have interstate rail travel, I think, you'll need a nice infrastructure in each state/city and then you can start expanding. As shown above, many states are the size of European countries.

Now we have a high-speed rail system in place. What about our cars and trucks?

As for fuels, go biodiesel instead of ethanol. It takes less energy to produce biodiesel and diesel engines have such a wide range of uses. The switch would be rather simple and easy. You can use a diesel engine to pull a train or use it as a performance dragster. Can't say the same for gasoline engines. In the long run a diesel engine running biodiesel has more applications and uses than a gasoline engine running ethanol.

The only problem with biodiesel is meeting demand. It takes more land to produce the same amount of ethanol.

Another problem with biodiesel and biofuels, it's cheaper to pump oil out of the ground at the moment.

[delhalew]

They just foreclosed on Willie Nelson's bio-diesel truck stop in Carls Corner Texas. No one ever bought fuel there. He had #2 low suffer diesel, but few drivers fueled there.

[87sooner]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/10/new-drilling-method-opens-vast-oil-fields/



A new drilling technique is opening up vast fields of previously out-of-reach oil in the western United States, helping reverse a two-decade decline in domestic production of crude.

Companies are investing billions of dollars to get at oil deposits scattered across North Dakota, Colorado, Texas and California. By 2015, oil executives and analysts say, the new fields could yield as much as 2 million barrels of oil a day -- more than the entire Gulf of Mexico produces now.

This new drilling is expected to raise U.S. production by at least 20 percent over the next five years. And within 10 years, it could help reduce oil imports by more than half, advancing a goal that has long eluded policymakers.

"That's a significant contribution to energy security," says Ed Morse, head of commodities research at Credit Suisse.

Oil engineers are applying what critics say is an environmentally questionable method developed in recent years to tap natural gas trapped in underground shale. They drill down and horizontally into the rock, then pump water, sand and chemicals into the hole to crack the shale and allow gas to flow up.

Because oil molecules are sticky and larger than gas molecules, engineers thought the process wouldn't work to squeeze oil out fast enough to make it economical. But drillers learned how to increase the number of cracks in the rock and use different chemicals to free up oil at low cost. "We've completely transformed the natural gas industry, and I wouldn't be surprised if we transform the oil business in the next few years too," says Aubrey McClendon, chief executive of Chesapeake Energy, which is using the technique.

Petroleum engineers first used the method in 2007 to unlock oil from a 25,000-square-mile formation under North Dakota and Montana known as the Bakken. Production there rose 50 percent in just the past year, to 458,000 barrels a day, according to Bentek Energy, an energy analysis firm.

It was first thought that the Bakken was unique. Then drillers tapped oil in a shale formation under South Texas called the Eagle Ford. Drilling permits in the region grew 11-fold last year.

Now newer fields are showing promise, including the Niobrara, which stretches under Wyoming, Colorado, Nebraska and Kansas; the Leonard, in New Mexico and Texas; and the Monterey, in California.

"It's only been fleshed out over the last 12 months just how consequential this can be," says Mark Papa, chief executive of EOG Resources, the company that first used horizontal drilling to tap shale oil. "And there will be several additional plays that will come about in the next 12 to 18 months. We're not done yet."

Environmentalists fear that fluids or wastewater from the process, called hydraulic fracturing, could pollute drinking water supplies. The Environmental Protection Agency is now studying its safety in shale drilling. The agency studied use of the process in shallower drilling operations in 2004 and found that it was safe.

In the Bakken formation, production is rising so fast there is no space in pipelines to bring the oil to market. Instead, it is being transported to refineries by rail and truck. Drilling companies have had to erect camps to house workers.

Unemployment in North Dakota has fallen to the lowest level in the nation, 3.8 percent -- less than half the national rate of 9 percent. The influx of mostly male workers to the region has left local men lamenting a lack of women. Convenience stores are struggling to keep shelves stocked with food.

The Bakken and the Eagle Ford are each expected to ultimately produce 4 billion barrels of oil. That would make them the fifth- and sixth-biggest oil fields ever discovered in the United States. The top four are Prudhoe Bay in Alaska, Spraberry Trend in West Texas, the East Texas Oilfield and the Kuparuk Field in Alaska.

The fields are attracting billions of dollars of investment from foreign oil giants like Royal Dutch Shell, BP and Norway's Statoil, and also from the smaller U.S. drillers who developed the new techniques like Chesapeake, EOG Resources and Occidental Petroleum.

Last month China's state-owned oil company CNOOC agreed to pay Chesapeake $570 million for a one-third stake in a drilling project in the Niobrara. This followed a $1 billion deal in October between the two companies on a project in the Eagle Ford.

With oil prices high and natural-gas prices low, profit margins from producing oil from shale are much higher than for gas. Also, drilling for shale oil is not dependent on high oil prices. Papa says this oil is cheaper to tap than the oil in the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico or in Canada's oil sands.

The country's shale oil resources aren't nearly as big as the country's shale gas resources. Drillers have unlocked decades' worth of natural gas, an abundance of supply that may keep prices low for years. U.S. shale oil on the other hand will only supply one to two percent of world consumption by 2015, not nearly enough to affect prices.

Still, a surge in production last year from the Bakken helped U.S. oil production grow for the second year in a row, after 23 years of decline. This during a year when drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, the nation's biggest oil-producing region, was halted after the BP oil spill.

U.S. oil production climbed steadily through most of the last century and reached a peak of 9.6 million barrels per day in 1970. The decline since was slowed by new production in Alaska in the 1980s and in the Gulf of Mexico more recently. But by 2008, production had fallen to 5 million barrels per day.

Within five years, analysts and executives predict, the newly unlocked fields are expected to produce 1 million to 2 million barrels of oil per day, enough to boost U.S. production 20 percent to 40 percent. The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates production will grow a more modest 500,000 barrels per day.

By 2020, oil imports could be slashed by as much as 60 percent, according to Credit Suisse's Morse, who is counting on Gulf oil production to rise and on U.S. gasoline demand to fall.

At today's oil prices of roughly $90 per barrel, slashing imports that much would save the U.S. $175 billion a year. Last year, when oil averaged $78 per barrel, the U.S. sent $260 billion overseas for crude, accounting for nearly half the country's $500 billion trade deficit.

"We have redefined how to look for oil and gas," says Rehan Rashid, an analyst at FBR Capital Markets. "The implications are major for the nation."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/10/new-drilling-method-opens-vast-oil-fields/#ixzz1DZWbnzFc

[okie52]

Northern Oklahoma has a large oil play going on right now. Can't hardly get into the courthouses.

Now Obama will have to try to find a way to stifle this new production.

[87sooner]

Northern Oklahoma has a large oil play going on right now. Can't hardly get into the courthouses.

Now Obama will have to try to find a way to stifle this new production.

which counties?
i have noticed the leasing buzz getting more active lately...but i heard the real action is along the kansas border....

[okie52]

There are several problems when it comes to our energy. They can be worked out though but it will take time and money.

Nuclear energy is the best energy source but until the red tape and road blocks disappear it'll take a bit to install a nice nuclear grid. Also, solar and wind power have brainwashed enough people to where it's the new thing even though it's utterly useless.

Now, lets say we have cheap nuclear energy for a high-speed rail system. Can it be done? Yes but we can't use Europe or Japan as a model.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1AysH3o4kMo/TE3llScp6pI/AAAAAAAAAkM/gkMbbFWOxNU/s640/TEXAS+EUROPE+SIZE+COMPARISON+MAP.jpg
http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/japan/japanworkbook/geography/map3.jpeg

As you can see compared to Japan and Europe, arguably the places with the best rail systems in place, it's apples to oranges.

Europe and Japan are densely populated places in centralized locations.

Example, lets say there's a rail between Oklahoma City and Dallas. If you're in Fort Worth, you'll have to drive almost an hour just to reach the rail station, park, wait for the train, get on, and then head to Oklahoma City. Some people might want to skip that trouble and just head North in their car. Also, when they get there, is the public transportation system in place?

New York has the infrastructure like subways, taxi cabs, and buses in place to move people all over the city so you really don't need a car. So a high-speed rails going into New York City from Washington D.C., Boston, etc. can be seen. What about other cities around the country? Dallas and Oklahoma City don't have that in place so you'll have a harder time getting around if there's a train between the two.

Before you have interstate rail travel, I think, you'll need a nice infrastructure in each state/city and then you can start expanding. As shown above, many states are the size of European countries.

Now we have a high-speed rail system in place. What about our cars and trucks?

As for fuels, go biodiesel instead of ethanol. It takes less energy to produce biodiesel and diesel engines have such a wide range of uses. The switch would be rather simple and easy. You can use a diesel engine to pull a train or use it as a performance dragster. Can't say the same for gasoline engines. In the long run a diesel engine running biodiesel has more applications and uses than a gasoline engine running ethanol.

The only problem with biodiesel is meeting demand. It takes more land to produce the same amount of ethanol.

Another problem with biodiesel and biofuels, it's cheaper to pump oil out of the ground at the moment.

While I agree with the basic gist of the post, the map of TX is not reallly proportionate to actual size. TX is only slightly larger than France but it does also only have a little over 1/3 of the population as France making high speed rail impractical at this time.

[bigfatjerk]

There are several problems when it comes to our energy. They can be worked out though but it will take time and money.

Nuclear energy is the best energy source but until the red tape and road blocks disappear it'll take a bit to install a nice nuclear grid. Also, solar and wind power have brainwashed enough people to where it's the new thing even though it's utterly useless.

Now, lets say we have cheap nuclear energy for a high-speed rail system. Can it be done? Yes but we can't use Europe or Japan as a model.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1AysH3o4kMo/TE3llScp6pI/AAAAAAAAAkM/gkMbbFWOxNU/s640/TEXAS+EUROPE+SIZE+COMPARISON+MAP.jpg
http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/japan/japanworkbook/geography/map3.jpeg

As you can see compared to Japan and Europe, arguably the places with the best rail systems in place, it's apples to oranges.

Europe and Japan are densely populated places in centralized locations.

Example, lets say there's a rail between Oklahoma City and Dallas. If you're in Fort Worth, you'll have to drive almost an hour just to reach the rail station, park, wait for the train, get on, and then head to Oklahoma City. Some people might want to skip that trouble and just head North in their car. Also, when they get there, is the public transportation system in place?

New York has the infrastructure like subways, taxi cabs, and buses in place to move people all over the city so you really don't need a car. So a high-speed rails going into New York City from Washington D.C., Boston, etc. can be seen. What about other cities around the country? Dallas and Oklahoma City don't have that in place so you'll have a harder time getting around if there's a train between the two.

Before you have interstate rail travel, I think, you'll need a nice infrastructure in each state/city and then you can start expanding. As shown above, many states are the size of European countries.

Now we have a high-speed rail system in place. What about our cars and trucks?

As for fuels, go biodiesel instead of ethanol. It takes less energy to produce biodiesel and diesel engines have such a wide range of uses. The switch would be rather simple and easy. You can use a diesel engine to pull a train or use it as a performance dragster. Can't say the same for gasoline engines. In the long run a diesel engine running biodiesel has more applications and uses than a gasoline engine running ethanol.

The only problem with biodiesel is meeting demand. It takes more land to produce the same amount of ethanol.

Another problem with biodiesel and biofuels, it's cheaper to pump oil out of the ground at the moment.

Exactly and here's just some more facts on size and population scales between the US and the world. The US has twice the land area of Europe. Even if you take out Alaska and Hawaii, it's still much bigger than Europe. And we have 300 million people in this country. Europe combines for over 700 million people.

China is basically the same size as the US and has 4 times the people of the US. India is roughly half the size of US and has more than 3 times the population. Japan is roughly the size of Montana and has more than 1/3rd of the population of the US.

You can't compare any of these to the US and say we should have a rail system because we don't have the population density in a lot of areas to really support a rail system. Oregon tried to an expensive rail system a couple years ago and it's gone mostly unused up there.

[MR2-Sooner86]

No one ever bought fuel there. He had #2 low suffer diesel, but few drivers fueled there.

Know why that is? From the sounds of it, the placed seemed pretty cool actually.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/10/new-drilling-method-opens-vast-oil-fields/

By 2015, oil executives and analysts say, the new fields could yield as much as 2 million barrels of oil a day -- more than the entire Gulf of Mexico produces now.

This new drilling is expected to raise U.S. production by at least 20 percent over the next five years. And within 10 years, it could help reduce oil imports by more than half, advancing a goal that has long eluded policymakers.

That's nice but we consume 20 million barrels a day here. Added to our own we would still have to import half of our oil.

The only thing we have here is oil shale and oil sand up in Canada but it takes two barrels worth of oil to produce the energy to extract one barrel. However, if your energy is coming from a nuclear source, that point is mute.

[okie52]

which counties?
i have noticed the leasing buzz getting more active lately...but i heard the real action is along the kansas border....

That's where it is. Woods, Alfalfa, and Grant counties although I have heard that Garfield is very active now too. Harper county in KS. Its Mississippi Chat and that can expand to a lot of counties in OK.

[okie52]

Know why that is? From the sounds of it, the placed seemed pretty cool actually.



That's nice but we consume 20 million barrels a day here. Added to our own we would still have to import half of our oil.

The only thing we have here is oil shale and oil sand up in Canada but it takes two barrels worth of oil to produce the energy to extract one barrel. However, if your energy is coming from a nuclear source, that point is mute.

I'm all for nuclear but there will have to be a change in our red tape, construction standards, capitlization/lliablity, etc... before we get any nukes.
Conservation, efficiency and a possible conversion to ng for much of our transportation could get us to being energy independent. But we need nukes too.

[bigfatjerk]

I'm all for nuclear but there will have to be a change in our red tape, construction standards, capitlization/lliablity, etc... before we get any nukes.
Conservation, efficiency and a possible conversion to ng for much of our transportation could get us to being energy independent. But we need nukes too.

I think I said it best earlier. Short term is natural gas and our oil. Long term is probably Nukes. But start getting rid of the red tape right now so we can start using Nukes in a generation or two.

[okie52]

I think I said it best earlier. Short term is natural gas and our oil. Long term is probably Nukes. But start getting rid of the red tape right now so we can start using Nukes in a generation or two.

That isn't going to happen with this administration, unfortunately. You don't shut down your only nuclear repository with no replacement if you are seriously going to pursue nukes.

[87sooner]

I think I said it best earlier. Short term is natural gas and our oil. Long term is probably Nukes. But start getting rid of the red tape right now so we can start using Nukes in a generation or two.

long term solution is a good worldwide pandemic.....
get rid of some of the dead weight....

[okie52]

long term solution is a good worldwide pandemic.....
get rid of some of the dead weight....

A lot of truth to that although I would be quite happy to see the world's birthrate cut in half for the next few generations.

1 Billion > 9 Billion

[Tulsa_Fireman]

But again, it continues to be mentioned in the same vein, oil or nuclear.

The soul of energy production in the US is coal.

[OklahomaTuba]

That's nice but we consume 20 million barrels a day here. Added to our own we would still have to import half of our oil.Not if we start using some of the massive amounts of NG we have sitting below our feet.

[OklahomaTuba]

The soul of energy production in the US is coal.
Coal & NG.

And then, with the new fracking techniques, oil. We still have A LOT. a **** load in fact.

First time in decades crude production has gone up here thanks to EOR. Oxy is spending a butt load out in California and in the permian.

Well, until Obumblefuc starts banning it like he did in the gulf. Add the EPA into the mix to start regulating carbon and the future gets even bleaker...

[OklahomaTuba]

This whole KOSA thing is interesting. I submitted a paper for a SPE conference, and was told the conference is geared more for CO2 Injection.

Folks, Aramco is supposed to have the shallowest, biggest free flowing reservoirs in the world. Been that way for generations. But now they are doing **** like this....


Aramco to inject CO2 into world's biggest oilfield in 2012

The giant field Ghawar pumped 5 million barrels per day (bpd) in 2008, more than half of top oil exporter Saudi Arabia's output.
The kingdom announced plans last year for a pilot project to pump the climate warming gas into the field to both improve production and reduce emissions. http://www.arabianbusiness.com/aramco-inject-co2-into-world-s-biggest-oilfield-in-2012-40027.html

Ghawar is Aramco's baby. It's Abdullah's bank account. What happens to Ghawar is a big deal. It's the largest super major field in the world. And they are injecting it? Holy **** thats bad news. Not a good sign at all.

Aramco is spending billions implementing the intelligent field program. They know everything about every well. They only have 2500 or so wells, so they know whats up with them. And you know what, they are producing a lot more water these days. Good for the camels I guess.

And we wonder why Matt Simmons ended up dead in his hot tub last year. You know, the guy who wrote this....http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Desert-Coming-Saudi-Economy/dp/047173876X

[okie52]

But again, it continues to be mentioned in the same vein, oil or nuclear.

The soul of energy production in the US is coal.

Actually Carter shifted the emphasis in US to coal production from Nukes in the 70's. The shift from coal now is due primarily to environmental issues...it is the dirtiest energy source on the planet.

Transportation is almost totally oil...not coal unless our vehicles switch to electrics. Our transporation could and should embrace NG vehicles...they would be much cleaner than oil and we have an abundance here in the US.

[MR2-Sooner86]

But again, it continues to be mentioned in the same vein, oil or nuclear.

The soul of energy production in the US is coal.

If you have a bunch of nuclear plants, what do you do with the coal? We can turn it into oil.


Not if we start using some of the massive amounts of NG we have sitting below our feet.

That's only part of the problem.

People seem to think oil is just used to fuel our cars. Many people seem to forget most of our oil is used for daily products you'd never suspect.

We still need oil for...

Agriculture
• plastic ties
• row cover
• irrigation piping
• polyethylene
• polypropylene
• bags and packaging
• pesticides and herbicides
• food preservatives
• fertilizers

Clothing and Textiles
• ballet tights
• nylon cord
• everything polyester: blouses, pants, pajamas etc.
• everything permanent press: shirts, dresses etc.
• beads
• bracelets
• pantyhose
• nylon zippers
• plastic hangers
• purses
• thongs and flip flops
• earrings
• ribbons
• fake fur
• windbreakers
• sandals
• garment bags
• shoe laces
• rain coats
• iron-on patches
• sneakers
• sweaters
• sofa pillow material
• tote bags
• umbrellas

Around the Office
• ball point pens
• diskettes
• thermometer
• Ink
• computers
• business card holders
• copiers
• waste baskets
• calculators
• printer cartridges
• microfilm
• name tags
• binders
• erasers
• rulers
• scotch tape
• magic markers
• telephones

Sports, Hobbies and Games
• backpacks
• fishing lures
• air mattresses
• cameras
• beach balls
• fishing poles
• hang gliders
• vinyl cases
• footballs
• glue containers
• puzzles
• darts
• Frisbees
• golf ball and golf bags
• shotgun shells
• ear plugs
• knitting needles
• waterproof clothing
• stadium cushions
• earphones
• yarn
• kites
• tennis racquets
• fabric dye
• decoys
• lifejackets
• nylon strings
• face protectors
• volley balls
• model cars
• plastic water guns
• fishing bobbers
• soccer balls
• oil paints
• parachutes
• fishing cylume
• light sticks
• earphones
• playing cards
• photographs
• monofilament fishing lines
• diving boards
• poker chips
• goggles
• rollerskate and skateboard wheels
• whistles
• guitar strings
• picks
• rafts
• ice chests
• tents
• sleeping bags
• pole vaulting poles
• motorcycle helmets
• skis, water skis
• rubber cement
• plastic flowerpots
• hot tub covers
• sails
• snorkels
• monkey bars
• photo albums
• wet suits
• flippers
• tennis balls
• boats
• insulated boots

Infants and Children
• acrylic toys
• baby oil
• laundry baskets
• waterproof pants
• baby aspirin
• bath soap
• mittens
• pacifiers
• baby blankets
• bibs
• rattles
• doubleknit shirts
• baby bottles
• disposable diapers
• baby shoes
• teething rings
• nipples and binkies
• dolls
• stuffed animals
• baby lotion

Sports, Hobbies and Games
• allergy medication
• cotton-tipped swabs
• inhalers
• liquid Pepto-Bismol
• aspirin
• first aid cream
• lancets
• pill cases
• band aids
• first aid kits
• latex gloves
• prescription bottles
• burn lotion
• glycerin
• mosquito spray
• rubbing alcohol
• chap stick
• heart valve replacement
• nasal decongestant
• surgical tape
• syringes
• Vaseline
• antiseptics
• hearing aids
• anesthetics
• artificial limbs
• eyeglasses and sunglasses
• antihistamines
• cortisone
• vaporizers
• denture adhesives
• laxatives
• Bactine
• oxygen masks
• stethoscopes
• prescription glasses
• cough syrup
• hearing aids

Kitchen and Household
• vinegar bottles
• egg cartons
• meat trays
• trash bags
• breadboxes
• freezer containers
• melamine dishware
• tumblers
• cake decorations
• jars
• microwave dishes
• utensils
• candles
• freezer bags
• milk jugs
• vacuum bottles
• coasters
• gelatin molds
• nylon spatulas
• wax paper
• coffee pots
• ice cream scoops
• oven bags
• mops
• drinking cups
• ice trays
• plastic containers
• fabric softener
• detergent bottles
• plastic table service
• drain stoppers
• dish drainers
• lunch boxes
• pudding molds
• sponges
• dish scrubbers
• brushes
• baggies
• drinking straws
• Styrofoam
• paper cup dispensers
• measuring cups
• Teflon coated pans
• table cloths
• refrigerator shelves

Beauty
• cologne
• hair brushes
• lipstick
• permanent wave curlers
• perfume
• hair color
• mascara
• petroleum jelly
• comb
• foam rubber curlers
• shampoo
• contact lenses and cases
• hair spray
• hand lotion
• shaving foam
• hair dryers
• shoe inserts
• dentures
• body lotion
• face masks
• skin cleanser
• deodorants
• moisturizing cream
• soap holders
• disposable razors
• leather conditioner
• mouthwash
• sunglasses
• facial toner
• lens cleanser
• nail polish
• sunscreen
• tooth brushes
• toothpaste tubes
• vitamins
• synthetic wigs
• bubble bath
• soap capsules

Furnishings
• carpet padding
• Naugahyde
• Venetian blinds
• TV cabinets
• extension cords
• picture frames
• flocked wallpaper
• shower doors
• Formica
• refrigerator lining
• vinyl wallpaper
• curtains
• kitchen carpet
• shag carpet
• welcome mats
• fan blades
• lamps
• shower curtain
• patio furniture
• swings
• linoleum
• upholstery
• rugs

Building and Home
• caulking material
• light switch plates
• plungers
• faucet washers
• clotheslines
• measuring tape
• polyurethane stain
• water pipes
• electric saws
• paintbrushes
• propane bottles
• wood floor cleaner/wax
• vinyl electrical tape
• plastic pipe
• shingles (asphalt)
• light panels
• garden hoses
• plastic wood spackling paste
• awnings
• glazing compound
• Plexiglas
• spray paint
• enamel
• epoxy paint
• artificial turf
• folding doors
• floor wax
• glue
• house paint
• paint rollers
• toilet seats
• water pipes
• putty
• solvents
• roofing material
• plywood adhesive
• sockets
• propane

Automotive
• antifreeze
• flat tire fix
• street paving (asphalt)
• car battery cases
• coolant
• motor oil
• tires
• loud speakers
• bearing grease
• sports car bodies
• traffic cones
• car enamel
• brake fluid
• dashboards
• windshield wipers
• visors
• car sound insulation
• oil filters
• car seats
• convertible tops
• fan belts
• gasoline

Miscellaneous
• ash trays
• dog food dishes
• toolboxes
• CDs and DVDs
• balloons
• dog leashes
• tape recorders
• synthetic rubber
• bubble gum
• dog toys
• flashlights
• nylon ropes
• bungee straps
• flight bags
• disposable lighters
• cassette player
• flea collars
• flutes
• lighter fluid
• cigarette cases
• electric blankets
• tool racks
• name tags
• cigarette filters
• ammonia
• newspaper tubes
• calibrated containers
• insect repellent
• phonograph records (vinyl)
• crayons
• ice buckets
• dyes
• pillows
• credit cards
• flashlights
• fly swatters
• plastic cup holders
• dice
• movie and camera film
• k-resin
• rain bonnets
• luggage
• video cassettes
• charcoal lighter
• rayon
• safety glasses, gloves, hats
• shoe polish
• signs
• cassette tapes
• toys
• watch bands
• waterproof boots
• shopping bags
• bedspreads
• checkbooks
• covers
• tobacco pouches
• clothes hangers
• flea collars
• flavors
• masking tape
• safety flares
• flags
• butane

[OklahomaTuba]

People seem to think oil is just used to fuel our cars..
Mostly nitwits who think oil is a just a dirty icky thing that comes out of a gas station pump and should be replaced with wind, sun and unicorns who **** skittles.

Thats about as far as their thinking goes usually.

[OklahomaTuba]

We still need oil for...

Agriculture
• plastic ties
• row cover
• irrigation piping
• polyethylene
• polypropylene
• bags and packaging
• pesticides and herbicides
• food preservatives
• fertilizers

Clothing and Textiles
• ballet tights
• nylon cord
• everything polyester: blouses, pants, pajamas etc.
• everything permanent press: shirts, dresses etc.
• beads
• bracelets
• pantyhose
• nylon zippers
• plastic hangers
• purses
• thongs and flip flops
• earrings
• ribbons
• fake fur
• windbreakers
• sandals
• garment bags
• shoe laces
• rain coats
• iron-on patches
• sneakers
• sweaters
• sofa pillow material
• tote bags
• umbrellas

Around the Office
• ball point pens
• diskettes
• thermometer
• Ink
• computers
• business card holders
• copiers
• waste baskets
• calculators
• printer cartridges
• microfilm
• name tags
• binders
• erasers
• rulers
• scotch tape
• magic markers
• telephones

Sports, Hobbies and Games
• backpacks
• fishing lures
• air mattresses
• cameras
• beach balls
• fishing poles
• hang gliders
• vinyl cases
• footballs
• glue containers
• puzzles
• darts
• Frisbees
• golf ball and golf bags
• shotgun shells
• ear plugs
• knitting needles
• waterproof clothing
• stadium cushions
• earphones
• yarn
• kites
• tennis racquets
• fabric dye
• decoys
• lifejackets
• nylon strings
• face protectors
• volley balls
• model cars
• plastic water guns
• fishing bobbers
• soccer balls
• oil paints
• parachutes
• fishing cylume
• light sticks
• earphones
• playing cards
• photographs
• monofilament fishing lines
• diving boards
• poker chips
• goggles
• rollerskate and skateboard wheels
• whistles
• guitar strings
• picks
• rafts
• ice chests
• tents
• sleeping bags
• pole vaulting poles
• motorcycle helmets
• skis, water skis
• rubber cement
• plastic flowerpots
• hot tub covers
• sails
• snorkels
• monkey bars
• photo albums
• wet suits
• flippers
• tennis balls
• boats
• insulated boots

Infants and Children
• acrylic toys
• baby oil
• laundry baskets
• waterproof pants
• baby aspirin
• bath soap
• mittens
• pacifiers
• baby blankets
• bibs
• rattles
• doubleknit shirts
• baby bottles
• disposable diapers
• baby shoes
• teething rings
• nipples and binkies
• dolls
• stuffed animals
• baby lotion

Sports, Hobbies and Games
• allergy medication
• cotton-tipped swabs
• inhalers
• liquid Pepto-Bismol
• aspirin
• first aid cream
• lancets
• pill cases
• band aids
• first aid kits
• latex gloves
• prescription bottles
• burn lotion
• glycerin
• mosquito spray
• rubbing alcohol
• chap stick
• heart valve replacement
• nasal decongestant
• surgical tape
• syringes
• Vaseline
• antiseptics
• hearing aids
• anesthetics
• artificial limbs
• eyeglasses and sunglasses
• antihistamines
• cortisone
• vaporizers
• denture adhesives
• laxatives
• Bactine
• oxygen masks
• stethoscopes
• prescription glasses
• cough syrup
• hearing aids

Kitchen and Household
• vinegar bottles
• egg cartons
• meat trays
• trash bags
• breadboxes
• freezer containers
• melamine dishware
• tumblers
• cake decorations
• jars
• microwave dishes
• utensils
• candles
• freezer bags
• milk jugs
• vacuum bottles
• coasters
• gelatin molds
• nylon spatulas
• wax paper
• coffee pots
• ice cream scoops
• oven bags
• mops
• drinking cups
• ice trays
• plastic containers
• fabric softener
• detergent bottles
• plastic table service
• drain stoppers
• dish drainers
• lunch boxes
• pudding molds
• sponges
• dish scrubbers
• brushes
• baggies
• drinking straws
• Styrofoam
• paper cup dispensers
• measuring cups
• Teflon coated pans
• table cloths
• refrigerator shelves

Beauty
• cologne
• hair brushes
• lipstick
• permanent wave curlers
• perfume
• hair color
• mascara
• petroleum jelly
• comb
• foam rubber curlers
• shampoo
• contact lenses and cases
• hair spray
• hand lotion
• shaving foam
• hair dryers
• shoe inserts
• dentures
• body lotion
• face masks
• skin cleanser
• deodorants
• moisturizing cream
• soap holders
• disposable razors
• leather conditioner
• mouthwash
• sunglasses
• facial toner
• lens cleanser
• nail polish
• sunscreen
• tooth brushes
• toothpaste tubes
• vitamins
• synthetic wigs
• bubble bath
• soap capsules

Furnishings
• carpet padding
• Naugahyde
• Venetian blinds
• TV cabinets
• extension cords
• picture frames
• flocked wallpaper
• shower doors
• Formica
• refrigerator lining
• vinyl wallpaper
• curtains
• kitchen carpet
• shag carpet
• welcome mats
• fan blades
• lamps
• shower curtain
• patio furniture
• swings
• linoleum
• upholstery
• rugs

Building and Home
• caulking material
• light switch plates
• plungers
• faucet washers
• clotheslines
• measuring tape
• polyurethane stain
• water pipes
• electric saws
• paintbrushes
• propane bottles
• wood floor cleaner/wax
• vinyl electrical tape
• plastic pipe
• shingles (asphalt)
• light panels
• garden hoses
• plastic wood spackling paste
• awnings
• glazing compound
• Plexiglas
• spray paint
• enamel
• epoxy paint
• artificial turf
• folding doors
• floor wax
• glue
• house paint
• paint rollers
• toilet seats
• water pipes
• putty
• solvents
• roofing material
• plywood adhesive
• sockets
• propane

Automotive
• antifreeze
• flat tire fix
• street paving (asphalt)
• car battery cases
• coolant
• motor oil
• tires
• loud speakers
• bearing grease
• sports car bodies
• traffic cones
• car enamel
• brake fluid
• dashboards
• windshield wipers
• visors
• car sound insulation
• oil filters
• car seats
• convertible tops
• fan belts
• gasoline

Miscellaneous
• ash trays
• dog food dishes
• toolboxes
• CDs and DVDs
• balloons
• dog leashes
• tape recorders
• synthetic rubber
• bubble gum
• dog toys
• flashlights
• nylon ropes
• bungee straps
• flight bags
• disposable lighters
• cassette player
• flea collars
• flutes
• lighter fluid
• cigarette cases
• electric blankets
• tool racks
• name tags
• cigarette filters
• ammonia
• newspaper tubes
• calibrated containers
• insect repellent
• phonograph records (vinyl)
• crayons
• ice buckets
• dyes
• pillows
• credit cards
• flashlights
• fly swatters
• plastic cup holders
• dice
• movie and camera film
• k-resin
• rain bonnets
• luggage
• video cassettes
• charcoal lighter
• rayon
• safety glasses, gloves, hats
• shoe polish
• signs
• cassette tapes
• toys
• watch bands
• waterproof boots
• shopping bags
• bedspreads
• checkbooks
• covers
• tobacco pouches
• clothes hangers
• flea collars
• flavors
• masking tape
• safety flares
• flags
• butane

Now if you can add anal lube to that list, you'd have all the libz support.

[yermom]

personally, i'd kinda like to see less cheap plastic crap

[soonercruiser]

Long lists....:D
I'm yawning; I'm yawning some more; and ......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

http://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/2010/09/19/fedex-office-tv-commercial-with-tsa-agent-im-yawning-im-yawning-some-more-snore/

[jkjsooner]

A lot of truth to that although I would be quite happy to see the world's birthrate cut in half for the next few generations.

1 Billion > 9 Billion


That would suck when we get 80. Can you imagine the waiting list to see a doctor when the majority of the population is elderly and there a relatively few young doctors? Today's social security would look solvent by comparison. (I know, does it really matter?)

If we needed the population to decline it's best to do so very gradually.

[OUEngr1990]

Peak oil is pure BS. I have worked in the oil industry for 20+ years, and they are always discovering news way to extract oil. Don't hold your breath, it probably won't happen in our lifetime...

[MR2-Sooner86]

Peak oil is pure BS. I have worked in the oil industry for 20+ years, and they are always discovering news way to extract oil. Don't hold your breath, it probably won't happen in our lifetime...

How are they doing on shale oil? I hear we have enough in oil shale in this country to meet our needs for the next couple hundred years. However the energy needed to extract it is just too much.

[yankee]

If you have a bunch of nuclear plants, what do you do with the coal? We can turn it into oil.



That's only part of the problem.

People seem to think oil is just used to fuel our cars. Many people seem to forget most of our oil is used for daily products you'd never suspect.

We still need oil for...

Agriculture
• plastic ties
• row cover
• irrigation piping
• polyethylene
• polypropylene
• bags and packaging
• pesticides and herbicides
• food preservatives
• fertilizers

Clothing and Textiles
• ballet tights
• nylon cord
• everything polyester: blouses, pants, pajamas etc.
• everything permanent press: shirts, dresses etc.
• beads
• bracelets
• pantyhose
• nylon zippers
• plastic hangers
• purses
• thongs and flip flops
• earrings
• ribbons
• fake fur
• windbreakers
• sandals
• garment bags
• shoe laces
• rain coats
• iron-on patches
• sneakers
• sweaters
• sofa pillow material
• tote bags
• umbrellas

Around the Office
• ball point pens
• diskettes
• thermometer
• Ink
• computers
• business card holders
• copiers
• waste baskets
• calculators
• printer cartridges
• microfilm
• name tags
• binders
• erasers
• rulers
• scotch tape
• magic markers
• telephones

Sports, Hobbies and Games
• backpacks
• fishing lures
• air mattresses
• cameras
• beach balls
• fishing poles
• hang gliders
• vinyl cases
• footballs
• glue containers
• puzzles
• darts
• Frisbees
• golf ball and golf bags
• shotgun shells
• ear plugs
• knitting needles
• waterproof clothing
• stadium cushions
• earphones
• yarn
• kites
• tennis racquets
• fabric dye
• decoys
• lifejackets
• nylon strings
• face protectors
• volley balls
• model cars
• plastic water guns
• fishing bobbers
• soccer balls
• oil paints
• parachutes
• fishing cylume
• light sticks
• earphones
• playing cards
• photographs
• monofilament fishing lines
• diving boards
• poker chips
• goggles
• rollerskate and skateboard wheels
• whistles
• guitar strings
• picks
• rafts
• ice chests
• tents
• sleeping bags
• pole vaulting poles
• motorcycle helmets
• skis, water skis
• rubber cement
• plastic flowerpots
• hot tub covers
• sails
• snorkels
• monkey bars
• photo albums
• wet suits
• flippers
• tennis balls
• boats
• insulated boots

Infants and Children
• acrylic toys
• baby oil
• laundry baskets
• waterproof pants
• baby aspirin
• bath soap
• mittens
• pacifiers
• baby blankets
• bibs
• rattles
• doubleknit shirts
• baby bottles
• disposable diapers
• baby shoes
• teething rings
• nipples and binkies
• dolls
• stuffed animals
• baby lotion

Sports, Hobbies and Games
• allergy medication
• cotton-tipped swabs
• inhalers
• liquid Pepto-Bismol
• aspirin
• first aid cream
• lancets
• pill cases
• band aids
• first aid kits
• latex gloves
• prescription bottles
• burn lotion
• glycerin
• mosquito spray
• rubbing alcohol
• chap stick
• heart valve replacement
• nasal decongestant
• surgical tape
• syringes
• Vaseline
• antiseptics
• hearing aids
• anesthetics
• artificial limbs
• eyeglasses and sunglasses
• antihistamines
• cortisone
• vaporizers
• denture adhesives
• laxatives
• Bactine
• oxygen masks
• stethoscopes
• prescription glasses
• cough syrup
• hearing aids

Kitchen and Household
• vinegar bottles
• egg cartons
• meat trays
• trash bags
• breadboxes
• freezer containers
• melamine dishware
• tumblers
• cake decorations
• jars
• microwave dishes
• utensils
• candles
• freezer bags
• milk jugs
• vacuum bottles
• coasters
• gelatin molds
• nylon spatulas
• wax paper
• coffee pots
• ice cream scoops
• oven bags
• mops
• drinking cups
• ice trays
• plastic containers
• fabric softener
• detergent bottles
• plastic table service
• drain stoppers
• dish drainers
• lunch boxes
• pudding molds
• sponges
• dish scrubbers
• brushes
• baggies
• drinking straws
• Styrofoam
• paper cup dispensers
• measuring cups
• Teflon coated pans
• table cloths
• refrigerator shelves

Beauty
• cologne
• hair brushes
• lipstick
• permanent wave curlers
• perfume
• hair color
• mascara
• petroleum jelly
• comb
• foam rubber curlers
• shampoo
• contact lenses and cases
• hair spray
• hand lotion
• shaving foam
• hair dryers
• shoe inserts
• dentures
• body lotion
• face masks
• skin cleanser
• deodorants
• moisturizing cream
• soap holders
• disposable razors
• leather conditioner
• mouthwash
• sunglasses
• facial toner
• lens cleanser
• nail polish
• sunscreen
• tooth brushes
• toothpaste tubes
• vitamins
• synthetic wigs
• bubble bath
• soap capsules

Furnishings
• carpet padding
• Naugahyde
• Venetian blinds
• TV cabinets
• extension cords
• picture frames
• flocked wallpaper
• shower doors
• Formica
• refrigerator lining
• vinyl wallpaper
• curtains
• kitchen carpet
• shag carpet
• welcome mats
• fan blades
• lamps
• shower curtain
• patio furniture
• swings
• linoleum
• upholstery
• rugs

Building and Home
• caulking material
• light switch plates
• plungers
• faucet washers
• clotheslines
• measuring tape
• polyurethane stain
• water pipes
• electric saws
• paintbrushes
• propane bottles
• wood floor cleaner/wax
• vinyl electrical tape
• plastic pipe
• shingles (asphalt)
• light panels
• garden hoses
• plastic wood spackling paste
• awnings
• glazing compound
• Plexiglas
• spray paint
• enamel
• epoxy paint
• artificial turf
• folding doors
• floor wax
• glue
• house paint
• paint rollers
• toilet seats
• water pipes
• putty
• solvents
• roofing material
• plywood adhesive
• sockets
• propane

Automotive
• antifreeze
• flat tire fix
• street paving (asphalt)
• car battery cases
• coolant
• motor oil
• tires
• loud speakers
• bearing grease
• sports car bodies
• traffic cones
• car enamel
• brake fluid
• dashboards
• windshield wipers
• visors
• car sound insulation
• oil filters
• car seats
• convertible tops
• fan belts
• gasoline

Miscellaneous
• ash trays
• dog food dishes
• toolboxes
• CDs and DVDs
• balloons
• dog leashes
• tape recorders
• synthetic rubber
• bubble gum
• dog toys
• flashlights
• nylon ropes
• bungee straps
• flight bags
• disposable lighters
• cassette player
• flea collars
• flutes
• lighter fluid
• cigarette cases
• electric blankets
• tool racks
• name tags
• cigarette filters
• ammonia
• newspaper tubes
• calibrated containers
• insect repellent
• phonograph records (vinyl)
• crayons
• ice buckets
• dyes
• pillows
• credit cards
• flashlights
• fly swatters
• plastic cup holders
• dice
• movie and camera film
• k-resin
• rain bonnets
• luggage
• video cassettes
• charcoal lighter
• rayon
• safety glasses, gloves, hats
• shoe polish
• signs
• cassette tapes
• toys
• watch bands
• waterproof boots
• shopping bags
• bedspreads
• checkbooks
• covers
• tobacco pouches
• clothes hangers
• flea collars
• flavors
• masking tape
• safety flares
• flags
• butane

Quoted, just because this is obnoxiously long. I mean, really?

[MR2-Sooner86]

Quoted, just because this is obnoxiously long. I mean, really?

Yes really. I didn't want to miss anything and somebody be like, "HEY! You forgot this!"

;):D

[King Crimson]

people are using a lot of video cassettes these days.

[Blue]

personally, i'd kinda like to see less cheap plastic crap

Cmon man. As a contractor what would I roof a house with? Leaves?

[Blue]

Peak oil is pure BS. I have worked in the oil industry for 20+ years, and they are always discovering news way to extract oil. Don't hold your breath, it probably won't happen in our lifetime...

As one of the resident tinfoil hatters let me say i believe oil is a renewable resource. Dinosaur bones, really? :texan:

[OUEngr1990]

Let's just say when we are lying on our death bed 40 years from now, and the world is still producing oil at record levels, I will turn over in my bed and say "told you so.....pay up buddy". :D

[okie52]

That would suck when we get 80. Can you imagine the waiting list to see a doctor when the majority of the population is elderly and there a relatively few young doctors? Today's social security would look solvent by comparison. (I know, does it really matter?)

If we needed the population to decline it's best to do so very gradually.

I'll take my chances on health line waits and SS solvency vs doubling the population and the additional resources that will be required to meet that population's demands along with the additional environmental concerns.

We need the population to decline. Cutting the birthrate is gradual. Whether you cut it in half for generations or by 25%, it needs to be done. We are at 6.5 billion people now. Much better to be at 1 billion in 40-50 years than 9 billion.

Rewarding large families is an antiquated, azz backward approach. Punishing large families should be the standard.

[okie52]

Let's just say when we are lying on our death bed 40 years from now, and the world is still producing oil at record levels, I will turn over in my bed and say "told you so.....pay up buddy". :D

They were saying we would run out of oil in the early 70's when I was in geology at OU.

We are still finding new ways to extract oil, but that doesn't mean it will keep pace with the world's population and development.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

If that becomes a problem higher sulphur content crude will simply step up.

There's tons of that stuff but it's just more expensive to scrub compared to buying it sweet.

[okie52]

I thought we were already scrubbing high sulfur oil.

Now oil shale like that which is contained in the rockies is another problem altogether but we do have tons of that oil....just still not economical to get it out yet.

[soonerbrat]

I guess you forgot to read this:

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149129

[okie52]

I guess you forgot to read this:

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149129

Did you see a wikileaks post on this thread?

[soonerbrat]

Did you see a wikileaks post on this thread?

I guess you failed to see the sarcasm in my post. next time I will put tags on it.

[OUEngr1990]

They were saying we would run out of oil in the early 70's when I was in geology at OU.

We are still finding new ways to extract oil, but that doesn't mean it will keep pace with the world's population and development.

All that means is the price of oil will go up, not run out. Which is what peak oil basically says, and my position on peak oil is that is is pure BS and based on nothing credible...

[okie52]

All that means is the price of oil will go up, not run out. Which is what peak oil basically says, and my position on peak oil is that is is pure BS and based on nothing credible...

Peak oil is where demand outstrips supply, not run out. I certainly feel that is coming, particularly with China and India rapidly expanding their economies. You aren't going to "run out" for many decades since you can't get it all from underground all at once. You will, however, certainly see shortages as we have already seen in the past.

[OUEngr1990]

I lol at the people who think they have a clue, in reality..don't.

PEAK OIL = PURE BS

[okie52]

I'm laughing at the same thing.

[Jacie]

The upside of a Middle East running out of oil . . . there is no longer any reason for the U.S. to maintain even a token military presence.

[bigfatjerk]

I lol at the people who think they have a clue, in reality..don't.

PEAK OIL = PURE BS

Again I agree, there's more oil than we know what to do with it. But our policy towards energy in general has been stupid for generations. We limit our use of energy and try to stunt our growth in technology in that area.

[soonercruiser]

I guess you failed to see the sarcasm in my post. next time I will put tags on it.

I miss the "Sarcasm" emoticon from the OUI site.
There's a lot of posters here that need splainin' to!
:rolleyes:

[Chuck Bao]

I just wish that they would drill more in Marshall Co., particularly the western side of the county. My family just leased some mineral rights for the most that we have ever achieved before. This has helped me out a lot because it relieves some of the pressure of finding a new job.

[Jacie]

I just wish that they would drill more in Marshall Co., particularly the western side of the county. My family just leased some mineral rights for the most that we have ever achieved before. This has helped me out a lot because it relieves some of the pressure of finding a new job.

My family has received a lot of benefit as royalty owners in Oklahoma, for a period of time that goes back to when my father's mother was young and it continues today for me and my siblings. It is nice when we get it, however, we never count on that oil money to pay the bills or anything else. If it is there, great, but the oil business experiences ups and downs, wells get shut-in or abandoned for many reasons. Enjoy it, but don't depend on it.

[Chuck Bao]

My family has received a lot of benefit as royalty owners in Oklahoma, for a period of time that goes back to when my father's mother was young and it continues today for me and my siblings. It is nice when we get it, however, we never count on that oil money to pay the bills or anything else. If it is there, great, but the oil business experiences ups and downs, wells get shut-in or abandoned for many reasons. Enjoy it, but don't depend on it.

Right, you are. I am not counting on anything.

I admit that it is a bit strange that a 3-year mineral rights lease is worth more than 10x what my grandfather paid for the surface and mineral rights more than 50 years ago and several multiples more than the productive use of the land would be in today's terms.

My grandfather was a very saavy man concerning land. He had two basic rules: 1) you don't buy land unless you have more than one way to pay off the bank loan; and, 2) land values shouldn't get out of whack with the productive value. Of course, he got married just before the Dust Bowl and Great Depression and he and my grandmother had to struggle most of their lives. Thanks granddad and grandma for this windfall. But, most of all, thanks for the life lesson. That generation was indeed the greatest ever.