Ndamukong Suh is a piece of trash [Archive] - Page 2

delhalew

2/7/2011, 11:25 PM

I just said this tread it done meaning the disagreement I had and the reason we were talking about this on a thread about Suh, is done. I just suggested we talk about this on a new thread in the south oval section.

Now, I am a fifth generation educator. I was parented by teachers and grew up in the environment of teachers all my life. And one thing that is consistent about most of the teachers I have been around is that the history that is taught is not relevant to the very students you are teaching. That is why so many black youth drop out of school - they can not relate. We get tired of learning about the same "American History" every year. The only thing taught is about blacks being in slavery, and the civil right movement. That is about it. There is much more black history to acknowledge than that depressing s#it! They also need to teach about blacks that were Positive, strong, educated and broke barriers in America - For exp: George Washington Carver - every time I see a poster on him, they have a jar of peanut butter next to him. Most blacks think that he is famous because he invented Peanut Butter - That is insane. His true genius is still not being taught in most schools. My daughter goes to Carver Middle School as we speak and they were teaching her that same BS. I could go on and on but the fact is that we need to start learning about more positive role models then maybe black kids will want to be like Benjamin Banneker instead of Snoop Dog - or Manly P Hall instead of Lil Wayne, Martin R Delaney instead of Drake, Charles Drew instead of 50 cents, Mary McLeod Bethune instead of Lil Kim, Jane Edna Hunter instead of Foxy Brown, Madame C.J. Walker instead of Nicki Minaj.... on and on and on!
And if you can not find the time to teach kids the things that are relevant to them, then you need some better classroom management and/or spend some extra time doing so. I have never had the issue of "not enough time"
And here in Tulsa and the rest of Oklahoma - they make us teach so kids can pass a test! We teach to satisfy a benchmark - not for true knowledge that will help the kids grow. If you have not dealt with this issue yet - I question you even being a teacher. Another school here in Tulsa, Gilcrease Middle School, - they do not even teach spelling anymore because they don't test for spelling on the Iowa test - THAT IS CRAZY!

Kids like peanut butter. If they don't know about the cotton gin, they weren't paying attention. To busy listening to Niki Minaj I suppose.

OUthunder

2/7/2011, 11:51 PM

Are we talking about Suh again or about naggers?

delhalew

2/8/2011, 12:12 AM

Are we talking about Suh again or about naggers?

That thread was crazy. Hilarious to irritating as hell, to hilarious and back to irritating as hell.

I read the first six pages and had to pull out, but not without shooting my mouth off.

Sooner_Tuf

2/8/2011, 12:29 AM

People are so full of $hit if they believe this. At some point there has to be some level of responsibility between the parents and the kids themselves.

I'm Spanish, was born in Spain, and what did I get taught about my race?.... Lets see we were plundering thieving rapists (Coronado and his band of merry men), we were bumbling fools that couldn't read a map and got lucky to have survived a trip with a bunch of rapists and thieves aboard (Columbus). After doing such we almost demolished an entire civilization, started a slave trade with them, and forced our religion onto them. Oh and lest we forget....much like pinky and the brain we tried to take over the world (Spanish Armada).

All of which were briefly touched. Instead we spent months focusing on the slave trade, the underground railroad, rosa parks, malcolm x, the black panthers yada yada yada.

Point is, I could care less who we spent the time on, as like the overwhelming majority of kids I was on cruise control through what I considered BS at the time.

I cruised through w/ A's without a Spanish role model, and graduated with 2 degrees from OU summa cum laude.

So don't feed me this crap about needing a black historical role model. Concentrate on the freaking kids and the parents first!!!!

If you can't get yourself motivated to succeed then perhaps you need to take an alternative path of education... like Vo-Tech.

That's all good and well but we weren't talking about you. We were talking about the millions of African American children that aren't getting what you got from our educational system.

You can say it is their fault and it probably is. But guess what that doesn't make our society any better now does it?

If we were somehow to get through to a generation or two of these families maybe they would grow up to emphasize being a part of functioning America to their children.

We need to do something and if teaching them about their past will do it then great we should do it. If it doesn't work then we should do something else. Because it hurts all of to do what we have been doing.

Gandalf_The_Grey

2/8/2011, 12:39 AM

My favorite Fitgerald moment was when he was standing in Riverwind Casino next to a guy in a Larry Fitzgerald jersey. The guy was totally clueless to the fact he was standing next to him, it had me chuckling a little

Tigeman

2/8/2011, 01:39 AM

That's all good and well but we weren't talking about you. We were talking about the millions of African American children that aren't getting what you got from our educational system.

You can say it is their fault and it probably is. But guess what that doesn't make our society any better now does it?

If we were somehow to get through to a generation or two of these families maybe they would grow up to emphasize being a part of functioning America to their children.

We need to do something and if teaching them about their past will do it then great we should do it. If it doesn't work then we should do something else. Because it hurts all of to do what we have been doing.

I agree w/ you 100%. Do something, but teaching more black history isn't the answer.... which was my point.

About the only thing I can see that may even remotely work is holding the parents legally responsible in some way. But we know that'll never fly nor would I really want it. :O

usaosooner

2/8/2011, 01:51 AM

VePxbFQ-qfw

Seriously guys?

Leroy Lizard

2/8/2011, 02:07 AM

Most blacks think that he is famous because he invented Peanut Butter - That is insane.

Because it isn't true.

Soonerwake

2/8/2011, 09:08 AM

Wow. I read this thread a few days ago, and left it alone until today. I am constantly amazed how conversations go sideways, longways, crazyways around here... :confused:

OK, carry on.. I'm sure there is a tribe of polar indians that haven't been "discussed" yet.. :rolleyes:

Tigeman

2/8/2011, 09:24 AM

And Ron Burgundy FTW!!!!

sooneron

2/8/2011, 09:51 AM

I agree w/ you 100%. Do something, but teaching more black history isn't the answer.... which was my point.

:O

How do you know? Are you a sociologist/psych that has extensive knowledge of Americans that are black?

Just curious how you know so much absolutely.

I would bet that the amount of black coverage I had when I was in school would have stretched to well within one hour. It may have something to do with shaping perception and that works towards both races.

bonkuba

2/8/2011, 09:55 AM

and on black history month too...smh

No worries....white history month is next month....I think?:D

bmjlr

2/8/2011, 10:01 AM

Most years it is April 15th this year it falls on the 18th.

:D

Sooner_Bob

2/8/2011, 10:02 AM

I bet Suh doesn't have a thread on a Husker board with this many posts.

Sheesh.

Jason

2/8/2011, 10:20 AM

I bet Suh doesn't have a thread on a Husker board with this many posts.

Sheesh.
Do you really think this thread is still about Suh?

texaspokieokie

2/8/2011, 10:24 AM

Do you really think this thread is still about Suh?

anyone who wasted their time reading this whole thread; knows it's not all about a boy named sue.

Derrouse

2/8/2011, 11:58 AM

You're not exactly doing your "One World, One Love" ideology any favors here.

That's a line that everyone states but simply isn't true. We have History Month, and we discuss those that have had an important role in history. And by that, I don't mean creating a bunch of myths to propel the achievements of one race.

A patent that is one in a hundred that helps develop the modern refrigerator is NOT an important point in history, and it does a disservice to hand the inventor the entire creation of the refrigerator just because he's Black.

Once I called out a history teacher who was creating a lesson plan on the invention of the gas mask. She was making the claim that a Black inventor in the U.S. saved thousands of lives in WWI. I proved to her that her claim was total bull-****, but she taught it anyway. The truth no longer matters.

BTW, where's Native American History Month? Where's Hispanic History Month? Where's Asian History Month?

Its in March.

As far as 'creating myths' i dont think that is the goal of black history month. It is specifically a time to highlight some of the things blacks have done in this country. There is no doubt that white people have more accomplishments overall and alot of the major events in US history do not involve blacks, so why is it such a hot button topic to want more Black history proliferated to everyone. I think it develops more well rounded people when you learn about other cultures. As far as parents not being involved, that is obvious, it all starts at home and if the parents are not doing their part, the child will struggle. Its a very known fact that most black families are in fact single parent homes and a great majority of them have a parent that is not ready to be a parent. Not an excuse just fact and until we find a way to correct this and stem the tide that causes this, we will never get where we want to be as a people.

stoops the eternal pimp

2/8/2011, 12:19 PM

So, can this officially be moved out of the football forum yet?

BOOMERBRADLEY

2/8/2011, 12:22 PM

What have I done?

stoops the eternal pimp

2/8/2011, 12:23 PM

apparently, messin up a n*ggas floor mats during black history month is a deep subject

2121Sooner

2/8/2011, 12:41 PM

apparently, messin up a n*ggas floor mats during black history month is a deep subject

There will be some sissies giving you some negspek for that.......

But not me!!!!

Sooner_Bob

2/8/2011, 12:43 PM

Do you really think this thread is still about Suh?

Sarcasm filter must be on. :)

Sooner_Bob

2/8/2011, 12:44 PM

apparently, messin up a n*ggas floor mats during black history month is a deep subject

Oh it's deep alright . . .

bonkuba

2/8/2011, 12:44 PM

apparently, messin up a n*ggas floor mats during black history month is a deep subject

Still laughing.....:D

OULenexaman

2/8/2011, 12:46 PM

I don't think this thread is in Kansas anymore...

Mississippi Sooner

2/8/2011, 12:46 PM

I have no idea what this thread is about, but it seems popular so I'm going to post in it.

CrimsonCommando

2/8/2011, 01:04 PM

Captain KANGAroo was a great Asian role model.

I love peanut butter. Thank you Mr. Carver.

My HS history teacher was black. She tought us more black history than any other kind of history. Still don't know what started World War I, which led to WWII. Was it the Serbians or Albanians? The education system in Oklhoma needs revision. I misspelt dat on purpus.

Suh should not have used curse words and the valet should have offered to towel up any perceived moisture.

It takes strength to be gentle and kind.

3rdgensooner

2/8/2011, 01:18 PM

It takes strength to be gentle and kind.

“Nothing is so strong as gentleness, nothing so gentle as real strength” ~ St. Francis de Sales

2121Sooner

2/8/2011, 01:21 PM

How do you know? Are you a sociologist/psych that has extensive knowledge of Americans that are black?

Just curious how you know so much absolutely.

I would bet that the amount of black coverage I had when I was in school would have stretched to well within one hour. It may have something to do with shaping perception and that works towards both races.

So Ron, if you only got an hour worth of "black coverage", as you call it, how in the world did you become so educated on the matter.

Let me guess......I bet even some of your "best friends" are black.

“Nothing is so strong as gentleness, nothing so gentle as real strength” ~ St. Francis de Sales

Was this guy the Patron St of Salesmen?

JohnnyMack

2/8/2011, 01:21 PM

I'm on Suh's side here.

MR2-Sooner86

2/8/2011, 01:22 PM

How in the hell did this thread go from Suh to black history month to the evils of the white man!?!?!

2121Sooner

2/8/2011, 01:25 PM

How in the hell did this thread go from Suh to black history month to the evils of the white man!?!?!

And why was a white guy even being a valet?!?!?!?!

Shouldnt he be the concierge or something better than that?

MR2-Sooner86

2/8/2011, 01:27 PM

And why was a white guy even being a valet?!?!?!?!

Cause they're the only ones trusted to actually bring the car back?

2121Sooner

2/8/2011, 01:29 PM

Cause they're the only ones trusted to actually bring the car back?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mOkHryM2QKc/TTYIz-aOhlI/AAAAAAAADvo/o6tcW9lLixw/s1600/ferris_bueller.jpg

Sooner_Bob

2/8/2011, 01:38 PM

I'm on Suh's side here.

Who's side? :gary:

StoopTroup

2/8/2011, 02:17 PM

Why don't Stadiums have a Suh Side?

Mississippi Sooner

2/8/2011, 02:19 PM

Why don't Stadiums have a Suh Side?

Suh Side is painless. It brings on many changes.

3rdgensooner

2/8/2011, 02:23 PM

Was this guy the Patron St of Salesmen?No, salesman are antithesis to gentle.

Suh Side is painless. It brings on many changes.:SLOWCLAP

soonerhubs

2/8/2011, 02:31 PM

I'm on Suh's side here.

I was against Suh until this thread was moved to the South Oval. :D

stoops the eternal pimp

2/8/2011, 03:27 PM

This n*gga here said he wouldn't put up wit dat ****

http://www.orangecirclestudio.com/wp-content/uploads/Steve-Martin.jpg

Sooner_Bob

2/8/2011, 03:37 PM

This n*gga here said he wouldn't put up wit dat ****

http://www.orangecirclestudio.com/wp-content/uploads/Steve-Martin.jpg

For real?

http://blog.vh1.com/files/2009/01/rcol_finale_we4_9.jpg

BOOMERBRADLEY

2/9/2011, 12:15 AM

I'm on Suh's side here.

So how was he supposed to not get snow in the guys car during a snow storm?

olevetonahill

2/9/2011, 12:34 AM

Hey 59, Here is where ya need to post yer "Field Trip" vid:D

adoniijahsooner

2/9/2011, 07:15 PM

Speaking of black people...i have been working in a town where there are no black people.....Granbury Texas! It's weird.

Leroy Lizard

2/9/2011, 07:49 PM

Speaking of black people...i have been working in a town where there are no black people.....Granbury Texas! It's weird.

Imagine that. :rolleyes:

Sooner_Bob

2/9/2011, 07:53 PM

Imagine that. :rolleyes:

Which part?

adoniijahsooner

2/9/2011, 09:28 PM

Imagine that. :rolleyes:

Which part?

tcrb

2/9/2011, 09:57 PM

Speaking of black people...i have been working in a town where there are no black people.....Granbury Texas! It's weird.

The town I grew up in only had one black family. I've always thought that must have been weird for them.

2121Sooner

2/9/2011, 10:10 PM

The town I grew up in only had one black family. I've always thought that must have been weird for them.

When stuff got stolen did everyone look at them a little funny?

That was the best part about growing up an Army brat. It didnt matter what color, race, or anything about a person when you were a kid. You played football or any sport with everyone.

You moved from base to base, state to state, country to country and met the most amazing people. From Ft Sill, to Ft Sam Houston, to Kaiserslautern, Germany........great people everywhere.

Best experience ever for a kid.

tcrb

2/9/2011, 10:14 PM

When stuff got stolen did everyone look at them a little funny?

Not at all. They were very well liked. The teenage son was a couple years younger than me and he was one of the most popular kids in school.

2121Sooner

2/9/2011, 10:18 PM

I was just kidding holmes.......

tcrb

2/9/2011, 10:21 PM

I was just kidding holmes.......

Good to hear....:)

C&CDean

2/10/2011, 08:25 AM

Speaking of black people...i have been working in a town where there are no black people.....Granbury Texas! It's weird.

Nuh uh. It's got a population of 1 brother if you're working there.

delhalew

2/10/2011, 09:16 AM

The town I grew up in only had one black family. I've always thought that must have been weird for them.

When I moved to Norman for school, every time I would tell someone I was from Marlow, I would get that look. I would then have to put them at ease, and let them I don't wear a sheet and a pointy hat.

Marlow had 0 black families, for good reason I guess. That did finally change in the last decade or so.

C&CDean

2/10/2011, 09:29 AM

In Tucson when I was raised (60s - early 70s) I didn't have a single black kid at school until I got to high school. I was surrounded by mexicans, but no black kids.

The ones in high school were a set of twins - a boy and a girl - name Leon and Leona Crowe. I think their pop was a doctor. They were popular, but I think it was just the novelty of it all. I'm not sure what became of them since I left school after the 9th grade.

When I joined the Army and landed in Ft. Polk, LA for basic training I was in total culture shock. I had no idea there were that many black people on the entire planet, let alone in one mess hall. Kinda freaked me out.

texaspokieokie

2/10/2011, 09:35 AM

when i lived in okmulgee (left in the 50s) there were no blacks in henryetta.

delhalew

2/10/2011, 09:45 AM

I left Marlow in '94, still no black folks. I guess some of the old folks around there had a hard time letting go. Besides, by the point the towns reputation for being dangerous was decades old and solid as a rock.

OUthunder

2/10/2011, 06:22 PM

I honestly think that he was pissed off at the snow cuz it was white. It it would of had some dirt on it, he probably wouldn't have minded.

Leroy Lizard

2/10/2011, 06:31 PM

I fail to see the big deal. We have plenty of towns here in AZ that have no Blacks.

No Whites either.

MR2-Sooner86

2/10/2011, 06:37 PM

No black people where I live. They've all been lynched.

Sooner_Bob

2/10/2011, 06:38 PM

I fail to see the big deal. We have plenty of towns here in AZ that have no Blacks.

No Whites either.

Pinon doesn't count . . . neither does Blue Gap.

Leroy Lizard

2/10/2011, 06:42 PM

Pinon doesn't count . . . neither does Blue Gap.

You hanging out on a Navajo Reservation?

C&CDean

2/10/2011, 06:43 PM

I fail to see the big deal. We have plenty of towns here in AZ that have no Blacks.

No Whites either.

Whatever. How long you been in AZ?

Sooner_Bob

2/10/2011, 06:44 PM

You hanging out on a Navajo Reservation?

worked up there for 5 years back in the late 90s.

Leroy Lizard

2/10/2011, 07:56 PM

worked up there for 5 years back in the late 90s.

Did you end up talking to the cactus?

Sooner_Bob

2/11/2011, 08:17 AM

Did you end up talking to the cactus?

Nope . . . but I developed a taste for mutton. :cool:

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 12:01 PM

When education becomes as important to Black parents as it is to Asian parents, that's when the graduation rates will climb. It has nothing to do with cirriculum or teaching methods or segregated schools.

Just to answer some of these questions since I have been away for a while....

Asians came to this country for a reason. Asians come to America for a better life and to take advantage of the freedoms here in America - (and other reasons) - but it was a choice. They know who they are, and where they come from. There is a very different reality for most Blacks in this country. They did not get their *** beat by their own people, then get their *** beat again when they were sold, and beaten for generations after that. We do not know who we are, why we are, where we came from, ect... Africa is a big place with 1000's of different cultures. The French and the Irish do not claim to be the same - Even though they are both European. Black people in America have a huge Identity Crisis - that is why many of us live day for day - No Idea of the future because we have no Idea of our past. Most Black People in America think that we are just ancestors of slaves. We continue to be tought that Blacks made no contribution to humanity in any way. We come from slaves and African "uga - buga", plates in their lips, sun worshiping, barbarians. This perception of Africa is killing Blacks and all humanity in a whole. Asians have the comfort of not having to deal with this issue.

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 12:04 PM

Say what?

You bash the State of Oklahoma for how it runs the schools and your solution is to open your own and teach your way so the kids can get educated correctly?

Yea, for the success of all of the poor kids I deal with. Poverty is the "parent div" to racial issues. So when I speak of "our own" I am speaking of ALL kids raised in that environment.

You planning to go year-round so you'll have time to teach everything?

I have seen that work for many kids. I'm not saying I am an advocate to that, but it works for some kids.

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 12:07 PM

Anyone can attend "our own schools." Sounds inviting.

First of all, when I say "our schools" - I mean all of us - not just Black youth. But since you keep trying to go there, I am not to sure of how effective desegregation was anyway. That is a whole different discussion but my concern is where I am at. I deal with mostly Black youth but I deal with all kids the same. If I have a Asian kid, then I will beat my brain, read, research, what ever I need to, to figure out how I can teach that Asian kid correctly. It is my duty as an educator to find a way to enlighten the child to want to learn. And if I have/want to teach the whole class about Sun Tzu to make that one child more interested in learning, I will do so.

So it would be nice if you did not place me in the box where your stereotypes have trapped me.

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 12:18 PM

You think that's relegated to Oklahoma?

You think that learning about Black Wall Street is going to change that?

Yes - teaching kids to work together as a commuinty, spending money within the community while those business are showing their support for the community as well..... Sounds much better than bloods and crips, drugs, hoplesness, apthy for education, promiscuity, no respect for life, dependency, ect, ect....

So yes - teaching about Black Walstreet is a better model to follow than what we are doing now

The Asians in OK have even less attention devoted to their cultural issues, and they score higher than Whites.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

Asians know who they are!

And these schools are going to outperform the other schools? If so, why? What are you going to do differently that is going to make these kids perform as well as their counterparts?

It is not about outperforming anyone - it is about performing to an adequate level. What we will do differently is actually care about the kids. That has to be the foundation to whatever we do.

My gut feeling: You don't have a clue. You seriously think that if the state kowtows to the whims of your culture that your students will start to perform better?

Yes, Absolutely!

Look at the Native American students' performance. All things Native America is all over the Oklahoma standards -- Hell, it seems as if half the standards are written right toward them. But they don't perform all that well.

The Native American history that is tought is a bunch of BS - that has a lot to do with it!

In AZ, Hispanic issues dominate the focus of many schools -- the same ones where Hispanics underperform.

I am not in AZ so I can not comment on their curriculum, but I am sure there are good schools for Hispanics in AZ where most of the kids successfully move on. Now dealing with schools in a poverty driven enviroment - I am sure the constants will float to the top.

The blueprint for student success is all about rigor and good teaching methods, not Black History Month posters. It isn't WHAT you teach; it's how you teach it. And making damn sure that the teaching adheres to those principles on a constant basis.

I agree with that 100%, but when black students are involved, a correct black history is a absolute necessity, as well as a correct history for all cultures.

BTW, you don't simply write a letter to the state superintendent. She gets a lot of letters. Thousands. You need an audience with her, and the only way to do that is to make your organization credible and relevant. Bellyaching that some obscure Logan County Treasurer isn't getting his due in the classroom isn't going to do it.

I think it is different than that. The fact is that kids must pass a test and the only goal is to get the kids to pass that test. If it is not on the test, no one cares about "relitive subject matter" being taught in the classroom - the only thing that needs to get taught is what is on the test. So we can cry all we want, we have been defeated philosophically and must follow the system that has been delt to us. But that will not keep us from trying to find a way to make our youth more successful.

olevetonahill

2/14/2011, 12:38 PM

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 01:00 PM

Come on Shaky DooDoo. Quit using that Slave argument. Grante While Slavery was a bad deal , The Whites aint the ones who captured the folks in Africa and sold em into slavery They just the ones who bought em .

The Other tribes caught each other and sold em .

True indeed, Just like the Irish probably fought within their selves as Highlanders and the Lowlanders more that they fought outside of Ireland.

People close to each other with different ideologies/cultures/ect - fight with one another - that happens everywhere. I hope you are not saying that since black people sold other black people - that justifies the slave trade?

But please do not get me wrong - we are no longer victims - but it is a fact that Black people do not know who they are and that is not doing much for us building a brighter future. I am telling you as a Black person - an identity crises is not benefiting out communities.

soonerbrat

2/14/2011, 01:03 PM

wasn't this in the football forum before?

olevetonahill

2/14/2011, 01:06 PM

True indeed, Just like the Irish probably fought within their selves as Highlanders and the Lowlanders more that they fought outside of Ireland.

People close to each other with different ideologies/cultures/ect - fight with one another - that happens everywhere. I hope you are not saying that since black people sold other black people - that justifies the slave trade?

But please do not get me wrong - we are no longer victims - but it is a fact that Black people do not know who they are and that is not doing much for us building a brighter future. I am telling you as a Black person - an identity crises is not benefiting out communities.

No I aint justifying slavery anywhere, even tho it was an accepted deal up till the Middle of 1800. And not just here and Blacks wernt the only ones that were made slaves.

Hell fer that matter in some countries id venture that Slavery still exists .
Maybe Yall just need to let it go and concentrate on Improving who an what ya are TODAY.

If ya cant then do yer own version of "Roots" and go find yer " Kunta Kinte"

olevetonahill

2/14/2011, 01:07 PM

wasn't this in the football forum before?

Yea but when it went to Blacks, slavery and religion it got moved ;)

soonerbrat

2/14/2011, 01:09 PM

Yea but when it went to Blacks, slavery and religion it got moved ;)

*sigh*

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 01:17 PM

No I aint justifying slavery anywhere, even tho it was an accepted deal up till the Middle of 1800. And not just here and Blacks wernt the only ones that were made slaves.

Hell fer that matter in some countries id venture that Slavery still exists .
Maybe Yall just need to let it go and concentrate on Improving who an what ya are TODAY.

If ya cant then do yer own version of "Roots" and go find yer " Kunta Kinte"

I agree - I am not dwelling on slavery - I am dwelling on the ethnocentric history being taught in America today, in 2011 and the fact that Blacks to this day still do not know who we are. If a true history were taught that ALL cultures contributed to humanity instead of learning that the world did not start spinning until the Greeks popped up - than that would benefit not only blacks, but all Humans involved in our history.

olevetonahill

2/14/2011, 01:20 PM

Dude, Aint they already decided that " Modern Man" Came out of Africa?

What the **** else Yall need ?

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!

2/14/2011, 01:27 PM

I agree - I am not dwelling on slavery - I am dwelling on the ethnocentric history being taught in America today, in 2011 and the fact that Blacks to this day still do not know who we are. If a true history were taught that ALL cultures contributed to humanity instead of learning that the world did not start spinning until the Greeks popped up - than that would benefit not only blacks, but all Humans involved in our history.How much is known about lots of cultures? I don't think most people believe that folks we don't know about just sat there and did nothing. LOTS is known about the Western World, and that is the predominant history of America.

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 01:31 PM

Dude, Aint they already decided that " Modern Man" Came out of Africa?

What the **** else Yall need ?

I need to quit learning that Pythagoras is the Father of mathematics, when he was not (how can you build a pyramid without understanding the "Pythagorean theorem"). I need to stop learning that Herodotus was the father of history when he was not. All of those Greek Philosophers were taught in Africa - Greek Philosophy is stolen African Philosophy! As far as that goes - I need to stop learning that Elvis Presley was the king of Rock n Roll when he could not even play a guitar. Ethnocentric history is not benefiting the American culture as a whole.

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 01:34 PM

LOTS is known about the Western World, and that is the predominant history of America.

And there lies the problem - pun intended!

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!

2/14/2011, 02:20 PM

And there lies the problem - pun intended!is unintentional omission a lie? Maybe you could (srsly) submit a list of references to the education system, if you think significant facts are being omitted. You sound very passionate about this. Make it your life's work?

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 02:45 PM

is unintentional omission a lie? Maybe you could (srsly) submit a list of references to the education system, if you think significant facts are being omitted. You sound very passionate about this. Make it your life's work?

The longer I live on this earth - the more I understand that nothing is unintentional. I am as passionate as you are about our kids succeeding. As Americans! American history should be American History - things that happened in America. - Not through the eyes of Europeans but through the melting pot of cultures we claim to be.

2121Sooner

2/14/2011, 02:53 PM

I agree - I am not dwelling on slavery - I am dwelling on the ethnocentric history being taught in America today, in 2011 and the fact that Blacks to this day still do not know who we are. If a true history were taught that ALL cultures contributed to humanity instead of learning that the world did not start spinning until the Greeks popped up - than that would benefit not only blacks, but all Humans involved in our history.

Can I ask you an honest question Shaka? Who are you then?

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 03:08 PM

Can I ask you an honest question Shaka? Who are you then?

For you to have to ask me that question is the very reason for this discussion. You should of learned who I am through our history books.

2121Sooner

2/14/2011, 03:12 PM

Very nice response. But I ask because I am just curious about one thing. IF you didnt learn who you were through the school system, how did you ever truly learn about yourself?

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!

2/14/2011, 03:22 PM

The longer I live on this earth - the more I understand that nothing is unintentional. I am as passionate as you are about our kids succeeding. As Americans! American history should be American History - things that happened in America. - Not through the eyes of Europeans but through the melting pot of cultures we claim to be.You think unintentional equates with devious or malicious?

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!

2/14/2011, 03:23 PM

Very nice response. But I ask because I am just curious about one thing. IF you didnt learn who you were through the school system, how did you ever truly learn about yourself?The list of reference material.

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 03:32 PM

Very nice response. But I ask because I am just curious about one thing. IF you didnt learn who you were through the school system, how did you ever truly learn about yourself?

I like that question. I learned and I am learning who I am by looking deep within myself - The outside forces that contribute to that are mainly family, friends and my environment itself. I am not sure what verse it is in the bible where it says in the land of pineal you will see god face to face - well I am trying to develop my pineal gland to see God face to Face - so truly knowing thy self is a goal of mine that I have not reached. But I'm working on it everyday!

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 03:37 PM

You think unintentional equates with devious or malicious?

I think it equates to survival at it's deepest roots. But yes - I think people know things - and let the masses argue and separate themselves over BS, while they control the profit. And that would be devious and malicious!

2121Sooner

2/14/2011, 03:39 PM

I like that question. I learned and I am learning who I am by looking deep within myself - The outside forces that contribute to that are mainly family, friends and my environment itself. I am not sure what verse it is in the bible where it says in the land of pineal you will see god face to face - well I am trying to develop my pineal gland to see God face to Face - so truly knowing thy self is a goal of mine that I have not reached. But I'm working on it everyday!

Yeah, I am not sure which bible verse it is either. I havent read the bible very much, I dont have to.....I'm catholic.(Thank you Jim Gaffigan)

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 03:52 PM

Yeah, I am not sure which bible verse it is either. I havent read the bible very much, I dont have to.....I'm catholic.(Thank you Jim Gaffigan)

I was raised catholic as well - I didn't read the bible for a long while either, but I do now. It is full of useful knowledge.

OULenexaman

2/14/2011, 04:05 PM

whole lota doo doo....doo doo here....doo doo there.

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 04:08 PM

whole lota doo doo....doo doo here....doo doo there.

You must be smelling the Funk. Like your avatar!

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!

2/14/2011, 04:09 PM

...I think people know things - and let the masses argue and separate themselves over BS, while they CONTROL THE PROFIT. And that would be devious and malicious!Money involved in history classes?

OULenexaman

2/14/2011, 04:10 PM

don't be knockin Louis Armstrong...

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 09:44 PM

Money involved in history classes?

No, that is way bigger than any history class.

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 09:45 PM

don't be knockin Louis Armstrong...

Calling Louie Armstrong Funky is a well known complement.

OULenexaman

2/14/2011, 11:09 PM

he was not funky....he was a true great jazz man....do not confuse funk with great jazz. That's where these.....never mind.

Shakadoodoo

2/14/2011, 11:24 PM

he was not funky....he was a true great jazz man....do not confuse funk with great jazz. That's where these.....never mind.

He knew how to work that trumpet - thats all I mean by funky. I agree with you - He was a wonderful jazz man as well as the Ambassador of Goodwill. I am more of a Miles Davis, Weather Report, Fela Kuti, John Coltrane fan myself - Louie is a little to old school for me but I acknowledge his greatness!

OULenexaman

2/14/2011, 11:39 PM

He knew how to work that trumpet - thats all I mean by funky. I agree with you - He was a wonderful jazz man as well as the Ambassador of Goodwill. I am more of a Miles Davis, Weather Report, Fela Kuti, John Coltrane fan myself - Louie is a little to old school for me but I acknowledge his greatness! ahhh...Miles Davis. Weather Report...where do you think they got the inspiration??? It all comes from old school. Peace my man.:D

OULenexaman

2/14/2011, 11:55 PM

Shakadoodoo

2/24/2011, 02:33 PM

One other thing Doo...while I'm at it....I hate the fact that Motown has all but disappeared. Non-existent. What has happened to all the great artists that once was?? Where are the new ones?? Well they all wanna be rap and hip hop crap. Which has ZERO talent or music quality. Just my opinion. Someone needs to teach them. And to make matters worse....Obama is good friends with Ludicris...are you ****tin me???

Just to answer this questin since I have been gone.....
Hip Hop was a culture/movement when it started, which comprised of four elements - Emcee, DJ, Breakdance and graffiti. It was larger than music, it was more about resistance, being heard and getting out of the ghetto. The "rap" music you hear now is trash and is doing nothing but glorifying and maintaining a ghetto mentality. Original Hip Hop has evolved into spoken word and other artist that do not get promoted like Lil Wayne, 50 Cents, ect.... There is talent involved with true forms of hip hop. - Rap Music is something different. I agree that many need to learn more music- that is why I am so much against art and music programs systematically getting removed from the public school curriculum. As far as President Obama being friends with Ludicris... I'm sure he has to be kind to all Americans, but I doubt he is kicking back with Ludicris, smoking weed and listening to his music. He is just being Presidential.

picasso

4/3/2011, 09:02 PM

He looked at my sister's house over the weekend in Houston. They've had it for sale for a few weeks.
He told the realtor that he needed a house in the south. heh.

stoops the eternal pimp

4/4/2011, 12:46 AM

i am really pleased with what i had to offer this thread

StoopTroup

4/4/2011, 12:58 AM

Shakadoodoo's last post was good IMO.

Mongo

4/4/2011, 01:42 AM

He looked at my sister's house over the weekend in Houston. They've had it for sale for a few weeks.
He told the realtor that he needed a house in the south. heh.

did he wipe his feet off before entering?

StoopTroup

4/4/2011, 01:45 AM

did he wipe his feet off before entering?

If he got anything on that carpet....ya'll should sue his ***.......LMAO!

AlbqSooner

4/4/2011, 06:11 AM

I agree that many need to learn more music- that is why I am so much against art and music programs systematically getting removed from the public school curriculum.

This has been the case for many years.

My grandfather, who was a railroad station manager in West Point, Mississippi in the 30s to 50s, started and directed a high school band there during the depression. He did it as a volunteer since music was not funded at that time. They had all kinds of fund raisers to buy instruments and parents made their uniforms. Grandma always said that the music department was like the runt piglet that "always got the wee hind tit".:D

King Barry's Back

4/4/2011, 07:20 AM

Second, if I valet my car I am paying a premium that my vehicle will be taken care of. I've used the valet's service to wash my vehicle and even detail it. So IF and I mean IF Suh had some dude bring his car back with melted snow in it, it's going to be wet. Suh's shoes will get wet, his mats will be wet and the car is now going to smell damp and will smell for days...all for the $40 or more that he paid to have his car taken care of.

I'd be pissed too....

But "Would you be a d*ck about it?" is the question. Suh was, and therefore is.

King Barry's Back

4/4/2011, 07:28 AM

Try looking through a U.S. History book these days. That culture is far from lost! There is at LEAST one section in every chapter dealing with the contributions of African-Americans to the history of this nation. (Women, Native-Americans, Immigrants, etc too!)I'm not saying it shouldn't be there, but anyone who tries to claim that there needs to be a "Black History Month" in order to recapture a culture that was lost is not aware of how much effort has been made to recapture that culture in the history classes in this nation.

THAT is why I see no need for a "Black History Month." I am always asked by my admin what "special lessons" I have planned for February. I always inform them that I have nothing "special" planned. I teach about the contributions of ALL AMERICANS everytime I teach a unit! Just teach HISTORY! Quit trying to divide it up into categories!

The counter-argument (and I am not saying it is right) is that every American History lesson is a celebration of white history, and that black Americans therefore need a special month to recognize their unique achievements.

I suspect the driving force behind Black History Month was a white-led conspiracy to help blacks (during the social unrest of the 1960s) find common cause to call themselves Americans. You know, get them to buy into the whole American Dream.

SoCaliSooner

4/4/2011, 09:04 AM

But "Would you be a d*ck about it?" is the question. Suh was, and therefore is.

I am reminded of the time OU came out here with Bomar and Co. to play UCLA and I had been mostly a lurker on OUI for a couple years. We tailgated at the game with a bunch of OU fans and the UCLA fans were pretty kick back and the Oklahoma crowd with us was rather impressed with their hospitality, considering the interaction they had had with USC fans months earlier at the Orange Bowl.

I got home a couple of days later and there was this 10 page thread going on and on about some OU fan who alleged to be in almost the exact same area we were. He said a bunch of drunk rowdy UCLA fans accosted him and his family, had been yelling at his poor little toddler dressed as an OU cheerleader and it escalated into his group of 6 guy friends fighting and defending the honor of his wife and child against this crowd of UCLA fans who called his wife a "c*nt" and his daughter a "future Sooner whore" until a bunch of cops came and broke it up and arrested the UCLA fans.

On and on people were raging against these thugs and fans in southern california. This dude was lauded as some hero but not only did we not see anything, we had a Pasadena PD cop who had been in the LAPD academy with my brother with us hanging out talking about how remarkably quiet the pre and post game crowd was. There was nothing on his radio about a disturbance and he would have definitely been called in.

I posted that we saw nothing, heard nothing, had a cop with us and was shouted down as a noob who essentially hated OU and was defending my "people" and wasn't a real fan.

It couldn't have been possible the original poster was just bothered about the outcome of the game and felt like getting some internet street cred....because obviously, if it was posted, it had to have been true.

Aldebaran

4/4/2011, 09:29 AM

It's unbelievable, really, how deep your hatred of Oklahoma is, Socali. Not only did you mention the name Bomar, but you also suggested that people in LA were friendly. This is an outrage!!!!

SoCaliSooner

4/4/2011, 09:31 AM

It's unbelievable, really, how deep your hatred of Oklahoma is, Socali. Not only did you mention the name Bomar, but you also suggested that people in LA were friendly. This is an outrage!!!!

When I take the wife's car in for service today, I intend to give the dealership some monkeyrumble if there's a drop of moisture on the floor mats after they detail the vehicle...

BOOMERBRADLEY

4/4/2011, 09:47 AM

When I take the wife's car in for service today, I intend to give the dealership some monkeyrumble if there's a drop of moisture on the floor mats after they detail the vehicle...

I don't work at that hotel anymore but it was completely impractical for the valets to carry a paper mat with them for every vehicle considering they see hundreds a day.

It's normal to see that at a detail place because it's what they do. They make the car nicer. A valet's job is to simply park and retrieve a vehicle for you.

Scott D

4/4/2011, 01:49 PM

and not let the damn mats get dirty.

sooneron

11/29/2011, 01:50 PM

As to recent events, kind of seems like it could have happened, ya think?

C&CDean

11/29/2011, 01:55 PM

Valet dude is just lucky king kong didn't stomp on his muh****in' face. And ****.

OULenexaman

11/29/2011, 01:55 PM

I don't remember him being a dirty player at Corn like he has been from the moment he put on a Lions jersey...

NormanPride

11/29/2011, 02:15 PM

He's probably frustrated a lot. He used to physically dominate everyone, and he was getting owned by our backup guard on that play.

stoops the eternal pimp

11/29/2011, 02:18 PM

Probably got to thinkin bout his mats getting dirty and had to put his foot on a bitch....n**ga's hate dat ****

BOOMERBRADLEY

11/29/2011, 02:23 PM

I tried to tell you guys...

stoops the eternal pimp

11/29/2011, 02:39 PM

It's your fault, racist.

marfacowboy

11/29/2011, 04:12 PM

He's an arse. Probably mentally ill, as well.

cleller

11/29/2011, 04:55 PM

Too bad he'll make many, many times more money than any of us ever will. He's probably also dumb enough to lose it all by the time he's 40.

More karma.

Tulsa_Fireman

11/29/2011, 05:04 PM

You'd be pissed 24/7 too if your name sounded like "Nob Cramma Dong".

badger

11/29/2011, 05:32 PM

Suh really really cost his team, because even if he is successful on his suspension appeal, he's not going to go from 2 games to 0 games on his appeal. More likely 1 game if he undergoes immediate anger management training, community service and apologizes a little bit more... plausibly.

As I suggested back before this thread devolved into race this race that, all you have to do to pwn a celebrity is get a cell phone camera shot of them acting like a jerk and suddenly they have to backpeddle and repair their image as best they can (by making amends to the people they hurt/offended, etc). Think the Seinfeld guy would have ended up apologizing for his n-word tirade if a cell phone camera didn't catch him and it was all hearsay instead? Think Suh would have been suspended 2 games if national TV cameras didn't catch him stomping? Video evidence is all the evidence needed these days.

On a side note --- whenever they show that new Detroit Play 60 ad, I gotta say "STOMP!" whenever they show Suh now. I don't even think he hurt our backup offensive lineman. I just think it's funny as hell that he's gonna sit out 2 games (or perhaps appeal down to 1) for getting caught being dirty when I'm sure a majority of players do much worse crap in fumble piles, blocking at the line, etc.