View Full Version : Could Oklahoma Support a NFL Team?
Shakadoodoo
2/3/2011, 07:55 PM
I think it we can pack out B-ball games the way we do - we would have no problem selling out 8 football games. I would love to have a NFL team - I am tired of cheering for everyone else!
We don't have the business base and we're too close to Dallas.
soonerguild
2/3/2011, 08:02 PM
yeah, in the NFL it isn't butts in seats its television. Same thing that seperates us and the lakers.
quick answer: no.
It would be awesome, but it would never happen
Shakadoodoo
2/3/2011, 08:07 PM
We don't have the business base and we're too close to Dallas.
What if we had a business model like Green Bay and sold shares to the public?
OU_Sooners75
2/3/2011, 08:14 PM
We don't have the business base and we're too close to Dallas.
And Green Bay does?
Hell, L.A. has one of the biggest business bases in the country and they do not even have one....oh wait, they have USuCk!
Scott D
2/3/2011, 08:21 PM
The entertainment factor of Oklahoma City and Tulsa fighting over who should have a team after sufficiently bribing Jerry Jones and whoever owns the Chiefs now would be awesome.
Chuck Bao
2/3/2011, 08:27 PM
Yeah, it appears to me that the Dallas Cowboys organization has substantial influence among the owners in the NFL and the Cowboys don't want an NFL franchise in Oklahoma or surrounding states. I think I read somewhere that the Cowboys accounted for about a quarter of all NFL merchandise sold, despite the recent crappy teams that went on the field. Whether they deserve the moniker "America's Team" or not, you can count on them trying to protect their cash cows in north Texas, Oklahoma and surrounding sports mad states.
OU_Sooners75
2/3/2011, 08:31 PM
Yeah, it appears to me that the Dallas Cowboys organization has substantial influence among the owners in the NFL and the Cowboys don't want an NFL franchise in Oklahoma or surrounding states. I think I read somewhere that the Cowboys accounted for about a quarter of all NFL merchandise sold, despite the recent crappy teams that went on the field. Whether they deserve the moniker "America's Team" or not, you can count on them trying to protect their cash cows in north Texas, Oklahoma and surrounding sports mad states.
New Orleans has a team I thought...hell there is another team in their home state, Houston.
;)
StoopTroup
2/3/2011, 08:32 PM
If we raised the turnpike fees....I believe we could have 2.
oumartin
2/3/2011, 08:40 PM
We may sell out thunder games but that place has yet to be full when I've attended a game
StoopTroup
2/3/2011, 08:43 PM
Lightning is much more menacing than thunder and Rain can fill a stadium better than thunder. Thunder hits fast but quickly dissipates. More thought should have gone into naming them IMO.
I still like the OKC Wranglers
Lightning is much more menacing than thunder and Rain can fill a stadium better than thunder. Thunder hits fast but quickly dissipates. More thought should have gone into naming them IMO.
I still like the OKC Wranglers
"Thunder" is fine with me, but not with a tropical blue/yellow/orange color scheme. Black/yellow/gold would have been awesome. I also would accept Bison
Scott D
2/3/2011, 09:13 PM
New Orleans has a team I thought...hell there is another team in their home state, Houston.
;)
expansion is a different animal than existing franchises. Jack Kent Cooke blocked the Browns moving to Baltimore until he got some concessions.
StoopTroup
2/3/2011, 09:15 PM
OKC WIndmills would have rawkd
oumartin
2/3/2011, 09:15 PM
the thunder name, the thunder colors and all that kick butt.
OU_Sooners75
2/3/2011, 09:16 PM
expansion is a different animal than existing franchises. Jack Kent Cooke blocked the Browns moving to Baltimore until he got some concessions.
If memory serves me correctly...Houston did not have a team for a few years after the Oilers left to Nashville.
Curly Bill
2/3/2011, 09:17 PM
I think it's cool that the Thunder's best player adopted his last name from one of the towns in Oklahoma. That was a nice touch.
What if we had a business model like Green Bay and sold shares to the public?
Green Bay is an odditty in major league sports. The Packers were established in 1919, a completely different economic era. It has taken them decades to achieve their status and economic stability - and don't forget they played home games in Milwaukee until 1995 to achieve that.
The NFL would never put a team in Green Bay today.
Scott D
2/3/2011, 09:17 PM
If memory serves me correctly...Houston did not have a team for a few years after the Oilers left to Nashville.
The Texans and new Cleveland Browns were exceptions to the rule.
Soonermagik
2/3/2011, 09:19 PM
The reason it wouldn't work is due to college football. People here wouldn't spend Saturday and Sunday going to games. That's double the season tickets for every weekend. I think attendance would be a problem.
The reason the Thunder works is due to it being after college football. I like the NFL, but don't care to have it here.
StoopTroup
2/3/2011, 09:21 PM
The reason it wouldn't work is due to college football. People here wouldn't spend Saturday and Sunday going to games. That's double the season tickets for every weekend. I think attendance would be a problem.
The reason the Thunder works is due to it being after college football. I like the NFL, but don't care to have it here.
Well.....it would be definitely a whole lot emptier than it is in stoolwater. I'm betting they'd change their rules regarding Season Tickets pretty quick.
kelloggOUballa
2/3/2011, 09:30 PM
The Thunder hurt men's basketball attendance, but with NFL and college being on different days every single week (minus one or two special weeks), I'm not sure how much the NFL would hurt Sooner football attendance. In fact, OU's season ticket waiting list could probably fill an NFL stadium.
StoopTroup
2/3/2011, 09:38 PM
So True Kellogg. Stoolwater doesn't even have a waiting list. Their waiting list consists of a bunch of people who are waiting to buy a new T-Shirt and bad mouth OU fans if they beat us. Even when they've beat us they have failed to build on that and fill the trophy room.
Shakadoodoo
2/3/2011, 09:47 PM
So True Kellogg. Stoolwater doesn't even have a waiting list. Their waiting list consists of a bunch of people who are waiting to buy a new T-Shirt and bad mouth OU fans if they beat us. Even when they've beat us they have failed to build on that and fill the trophy room.
Damn, you must snort Stevia every night too. Out of 48,168 comments you have made I bet 48,167 are BS -
swardboy
2/4/2011, 06:25 AM
You can snort stevia? Sahweeeeeeet.
cleller
2/4/2011, 07:20 AM
The Sooners are the only team this state needs.
Why would you want a bunch of prima donna no fun leaguers in town?
oudivesherpa
2/4/2011, 08:43 AM
An NFL team in Oklahoma would hurt OU football, more competition for disposable income. I realize many OU fans don't think spending on OU football as discretionary but a necessary expenditure, but any comptetion for the entertainment dollar would mean fewer dollars for OU.
A better choice,which would cut million of dollars from the State budget would be to eliminate OSU and make Stillwater the University of Oklahoma at Stillwater. The football team would merge with the Sooners, and T Boone Stadium could be used for Scoccer and Wrastlin:D
Shakadoodoo
2/4/2011, 08:48 AM
A better choice,which would cut million of dollars from the State budget would be to eliminate OSU and make Stillwater the University of Oklahoma at Stillwater. The football team would merge with the Sooners, and T Boone Stadium could be used for Scoccer and Wrastlin:D
Brilliant Idea!
An NFL team in Oklahoma would hurt OU football, more competition for disposable income. I realize many OU fans don't think spending on OU football as discretionary but a necessary expenditure, but any comptetion for the entertainment dollar would mean fewer dollars for OU.
A better choice,which would cut million of dollars from the State budget would be to eliminate OSU and make Stillwater the University of Oklahoma at Stillwater. The football team would merge with the Sooners, and T Boone Stadium could be used for Scoccer and Wrastlin:D
Best idea yet.:D
stoopified
2/4/2011, 09:48 AM
No
OUMallen
2/4/2011, 09:53 AM
No way.
soonersam
2/4/2011, 09:56 AM
The league would never allow another Green Bay like team where the season ticket holders are also the share holders! Yet there are some strugeling franchises like Jacksonville & Carolina that would love to move to a football minded market.. OK would support it very well but College Football is our culture
Tulsa would have to get the Olympic games out of the way before an expansion professional football team could be formed. :rolleyes:
Mad Dog Madsen
2/4/2011, 10:26 AM
Nope...
KantoSooner
2/4/2011, 10:27 AM
A pro team might make it in Oklahoma, but it would likely be marginal for a whole lot of reasons.
It will likely never happen, though, because there are a whole lot of more attractive locations in the event the NFL want to expand. I can think of:
San Antonio/Austin
LA (yes, yes, but it will happen again, someday)
Las Vegas
Mexico City
Even Albuquerque
NFL bylaws prohibit publicly owned franchises. Green Bay had to be grandfathered in.
texaspokieokie
2/4/2011, 10:38 AM
A pro team might make it in Oklahoma, but it would likely be marginal for a whole lot of reasons.
It will likely never happen, though, because there are a whole lot of more attractive locations in the event the NFL want to expand. I can think of:
San Antonio/Austin
LA (yes, yes, but it will happen again, someday)
Las Vegas
Mexico City
Even Albuquerque
can't buy albuquerque.
Sooner74
2/4/2011, 10:56 AM
Not a chance. I have many reason but I will list what I think.
1) This is a college football only state. I can almost 100% say that season ticket holders of college games would rarely also purchase season tickets to Sunday games. The discretionary income would likely lay with the Sooners and Aggies, not an NFL franchise.
2) Why would the NFL want to come to Oklahoma with limited television sets, limited butts in the seats, no national exposure, and competition from the state colleges? They wouldn't. OKC has 1.2 million people and to sellout a decent NFL stadium we would be looking at 60,000 seats or roughly 5% of the OKC metro. To me that sounds like a tough task.
3) I don't know if people realize, but a bunch of Sooners come from out of state or out of the boonies to watch games. They spend their limited income on something they truly love. Do I think they would care for an NFL team? Probably not. I sure as hell wouldn't want to pay for another hotel night or season tickets. I assume the fan base isn't consistent across the College and NFL games, leading people to believe because OU sells games out that the NFL will too.
KantoSooner
2/4/2011, 10:57 AM
ABQ is a stretch, but probably no more so than OKC. In our case, we'd have a thin pop base and book-end franchises to the North and South. ABQ would have a thinner pop but more space. Neither one, in my opinion would be real healthy business propositions.
SoonerPr8r
2/4/2011, 11:06 AM
An NFL team in Oklahoma would hurt OU football, more competition for disposable income. I realize many OU fans don't think spending on OU football as discretionary but a necessary expenditure, but any comptetion for the entertainment dollar would mean fewer dollars for OU.
A better choice,which would cut million of dollars from the State budget would be to eliminate OSU and make Stillwater the University of Oklahoma at Stillwater. The football team would merge with the Sooners, and T Boone Stadium could be used for Scoccer and Wrastlin:D
At the same time!!!
jumperstop
2/4/2011, 11:07 AM
I only care about NFL to watch the former Sooners play. I think this is how a lot of people around here would feel as well. Nice idea but I don't think it would have the people here or the people around the country to support a team in OKC/OK
soonerbub
2/4/2011, 11:09 AM
Without reading through--
not just no but **** NO
for one thing they would have to play in Norman and there is NO ****ing way anyone would support turning OK Memorial Stadium into an NFL corporate ****box--I and many others would show Egypt how to protest
Next question.
StoopTroup
2/4/2011, 11:32 AM
There is Plenty of Indian Land near Tulsa. We could put the Stadium where the old Will Rogers Downs track on Hwy 20. We could put a Hard Rock Casino in it, call it Will Rogers Stadium and the Team would be the Tulsa Landrunners. A nice Hotel the Jim Davis Gun Museum could get one of the Companies like Remingtion to be a Sponsor. Promote gambling, hunting, fishing, gun shows, sports besides Football. If you build it....they will come. Push to get the National Finals Rodeo back to Oklahoma where it belongs. Get Toby, Garth and Reba to help start a 2nd Nashville here.
smooth3d
2/4/2011, 11:59 AM
Why do some here assume that it has to be a OKC only team. Last I heard Oklahoma has two big citys. Build the stadium on the Turner Turnpike midway in between Tulsa and OKC, Like the old outlet mall was.
Name the team after the state of Oklahoma, no city names so the whole state of OK will support the team.
jumperstop
2/4/2011, 12:03 PM
Why do some here assume that it has to be a OKC only team. Last I heard Oklahoma has two big citys. Build the stadium on the Turner Turnpike midway in between Tulsa and OKC, Like the old outlet mall was.
Name the team after the state of Oklahoma, no city names so the whole state of OK will support the team.
So the better idea would be to put the stadium in the middle of nowhere and not in a city?
I think someone already said, it but the NFL will never allow more public franchise like Green Bay. Reason? Well, the NFL owners really would like to keep revenues secret during players union negotiations, but alas, the Green Bay Packers have their revenues open-records-requested every year by every major sports media outlet... and they turn profits. Doesn't help when you're trying to tell players that owners are hurting for money :D
Oklahoma will not get a franchise yet, because of what happened in Jacksonville. You'd think a fairly big area that holds a fairly big rivalry game every year in college football (the Florida Georgia Cocktail Party) would have a few football fans around to attend pro games, right?
After the economy recovers a little, Oklahoma will definitely have a chance, not because of the size of our market, but because there's a precedent setup for successful NBA franchise cities getting a shot at the Neffel. I'm of course referring to the once-successful Charlotte Hornets leading to the Carolina Panthers.
:( unfortuantely, there's also a precedent set for once-successful NBA francises fizzling out once the NFL arrives (and the owner behaves badly, making fans want to stay home)
smooth3d
2/4/2011, 12:16 PM
So the better idea would be to put the stadium in the middle of nowhere and not in a city?
It will have be built outside of the city anyways, and you would want the 2 biggest markets in ok to support the team.
jumperstop
2/4/2011, 12:23 PM
It will have be built outside of the city anyways, and you would want the 2 biggest markets in ok to support the team.
Being built outside the city and an hour outside the city are two different things. If we were to get one, which we won't, they would build the stadium right outside OKC or Tulsa.
soonerbub
2/4/2011, 12:27 PM
After further review I say put em in Guymon
the Oklahoma Panhandlers has a nice ring to it
plus the cheerleaders could be the Hooker Beavers
--Beaver Hookers on second thought--
StoopTroup
2/4/2011, 12:28 PM
So many negative Nellys.
texaspokieokie
2/4/2011, 12:38 PM
ABQ is a stretch, but probably no more so than OKC. In our case, we'd have a thin pop base and book-end franchises to the North and South. ABQ would have a thinner pop but more space. Neither one, in my opinion would be real healthy business propositions.
i totally agree, niether one.
ALB has more space, but it's mostly empty space.
santa rosa & grants wouldn't help much.
Sooner_Bob
2/4/2011, 01:51 PM
i totally agree, niether one.
ALB has more space, but it's mostly empty space.
santa rosa & grants wouldn't help much.
Albuquerque doesn't have that much more space than OKC . . . . a new stadium of any kind would definitely have to be built on the west or southwest part of town. Of course a new stadium on top of the Sandias would be kinda cool.
CORNholio
2/5/2011, 03:37 AM
The NFL would not hurt the sooners. It would hurt the pokes. They would move from 2nd fiddle to a distant third.
CORNholio
2/5/2011, 03:43 AM
It will have be built outside of the city anyways, and you would want the 2 biggest markets in ok to support the team.
This argument makes no sense. The Dallas Cowboys don't even play in this state yet people here support them just the same. If the NFL ever did come to this state they would play in OKC not Stroud. That's just the way it would be. Putting a stadium in the middle of nowhere simply to make it more attractive for the average joe to buy seats is retarded. Number 1 it does not even accomplish the goal of making it more convenient instead it makes it less convenient for everyone. Number 2 the NFL is not your local HS it is not about selling 50000 seats to joe schmoe it is about tv sets/merchandising/corporate sponsorships/luxury boxes/etc.. that is what makes an NFL team profitable, not putting the stadium in Chandler to sell 4500 more seats.
AlbqSooner
2/5/2011, 07:45 AM
Albq is much less likely than OKC or Tulsa. The population of the entire state is right at 2 million. Albq is also situated somewhat equidistant from the Cowboys, Broncos and Cardinals.
When it comes to the NFL, Albq=fail.
SoonerMom2
2/5/2011, 09:52 AM
The reason San Antonio never was able to get a pro franchise and Red McCombs bought the Vikings, was because of Jerry Jones saying no. The difference between Jones and Cuban of the Mavericks is that Jones controls a lot of owners that would vote for whatever he wanted and Cuban the NBA doesn't pay attention. Cuban voted against us getting the Sonics.
Breadburner
2/5/2011, 09:59 AM
Yes we could....But something will suffer....Only so much entertainment dollar to go around......Tulsa would be the best option......
silverwheels
2/5/2011, 01:33 PM
Tulsa is a major league city, after all.
GKeeper316
2/5/2011, 03:44 PM
oklahoma is college football turf.
theres not enough money in oklahoma to support an nfl team, and the voters would never foot the bill to build a pro style stadium in okc.
mightysooner
2/5/2011, 04:55 PM
Oklahoma City has such a looooong way to go before ever having this discussion it's somewhat humorous. OKC is one big small town. They think small town America, their values are small town America, and their vision is to stay small town America. That's fine is you want to keep things status quo and family friendly.....but it hardly lends itself to more ambitious endeavors, such as attracting an NFL expansion team, or a corporate base for that matter.
Are you so dumb as to believe that the same number of people would attend OU games and then a pro game . Same with OSU games. If you are that dumb, then You are beyond help you moron.
bigfatjerk
2/5/2011, 06:13 PM
I could see Oklahoma supporting a minor league team like UFL or something like that. But not an NFL team. Population isn't enough, and it's a college area not a pro football area. Also the NFL isn't expanding and if they move there's probably a long list of areas to move to before Oklahoma is even thought about.
bigfatjerk
2/5/2011, 06:15 PM
The Thunder hurt men's basketball attendance, but with NFL and college being on different days every single week (minus one or two special weeks), I'm not sure how much the NFL would hurt Sooner football attendance. In fact, OU's season ticket waiting list could probably fill an NFL stadium.
I think bad teams hurt the basketball attendance.
didn't read thru the entire thread, but I agree w/ those that say no NFL in OK... here's maybe a different take: Boren, Castiglione, Holder, all of those guys would work against the NFL locating here.
That and I just don't believe it would make economic sense, as others have stated. Also, pro football fans would not pay to see lousy football, as any expansion team would undoubtedly be. The novelty of watching the veteran pro teams come in and kick butt would wear thin by Halloween...
Are you telling me the SOONERS aren't a NFL team?
OU and OSU would lose the fans they have that never went to the school (yeah, I know, OSU doesn't have any of those :rolleyes: ). Randoms in the state who just cheer for OU because their Oklahomans would shift their focus to an NFL team in a heart beat if we got one. NFL has always had a blue collar, uneducated fanbase.
texaspokieokie
2/6/2011, 01:12 PM
answer to original question; NO
bluedogok
2/6/2011, 05:26 PM
Oklahoma doesn't have enough TV sets to satisfy the current NFL league officials and ownership, that is their majority issue because that is where the majority of revenue comes from and why any team moving now will land in LA as there will be no expansion. The owners concern themselves with the "alternate revenue streams" like stadium and concessions. The "regular joe" seats are a sideline, they want people buying the high dollar center section seats, boxes and suites and the more corporate people buying suites the more prices go up and the more they like it.
LA is next on the clock, after that some of the other cities mentioned may be a possibility, I do think San Antonio would have a good shot as next on the list after LA.
texaspokieokie
2/7/2011, 09:56 AM
it's really stupid that LA has gone this long without an nfl team.
fwsooner22
2/7/2011, 10:30 AM
The face value on any decent tickets are $300.00 and over. It's not 8 games either you have to buy pre-season games at inflated costs as well. Oh yeah, and parking. Which of you is ready to do that.
If Green Bay wanted a team today they wouldn't get one.
it's really stupid that LA has gone this long without an nfl team.
Will be interesting to see if they get one, too. The state is broke, so it hardly seems likely that they'll fund a billion dollar stadium, and the reason they don't have a team is because they have nowhere decent to play.
bluedogok
2/7/2011, 10:54 PM
Will be interesting to see if they get one, too. The state is broke, so it hardly seems likely that they'll fund a billion dollar stadium, and the reason they don't have a team is because they have nowhere decent to play.
The State of California isn't going to fund a stadium, the State of Texas didn't fund JerryWorld, the City of Arlington had a sales tax increase for on by the people (similar to the MAPS votes) for the cities portion of JerryWorld, 325 million worth, Jerry Jones is on the hook for the rest. I would imagine anything done on the LA area would be similar, if even less of a contribution from governments. I would imagine the NFL would help even more than they did for JerryWorld or the new Meadowlands stadium.
bigfatjerk
2/7/2011, 11:03 PM
The State of California isn't going to fund a stadium, the State of Texas didn't fund JerryWorld, the City of Arlington had a sales tax increase for on by the people (similar to the MAPS votes) for the cities portion of JerryWorld, 325 million worth, Jerry Jones is on the hook for the rest. I would imagine anything done on the LA area would be similar, if even less of a contribution from governments. I would imagine the NFL would help even more than they did for JerryWorld or the new Meadowlands stadium.
Yep it'll be up to an individual in California or a small group and if they can afford to run a team in California. California does hurt businesses right now because they tax the rich and sometimes that forces the ultra rich out. But if a group of rich people think it would be worth it they'll put a team in LA.
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