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SouthCarolinaSooner
1/12/2011, 08:23 PM
Kinda sorta. This would be a huge stride for states rights and another step in the right direction for the free market. Any thoughts on how the Supreme Court would possible rule on this proposed bill?

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?111+ful+HJ557




WHEREAS, the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled in In re Rahrer, 140 U.S. 545, 554 (1891), that “the police power” of a State “is a power originally and always belonging to the States, not surrendered by them to the general government, nor directly restrained by the Constitution of the United States, and essentially exclusive”; and

WHEREAS, the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled in Beer Company v. Massachusetts, 97 U.S. 25, 33 (1877), that the police power of the States “extend[s] to the protection of the lives, health, and property of the[ir] citizens, and to the preservation of good order”; and

WHEREAS, the protection of the lives, health, and property of Virginia’s citizens, and the preservation of good order in the Commonwealth, depend upon the maintenance of both an adequate system of governmental finance and a sound and robust private economy; and

WHEREAS, an adequate system of governmental finance and a sound and robust private economy cannot be maintained in the absence of a sound currency; and

WHEREAS, the present monetary and banking systems of the United States, centered around the Federal Reserve System, have come under ever-increasing strain during the last several years, and will be exposed to ever-increasing and predictably debilitating strain in the years to come; and

WHEREAS, many widely recognized experts predict the inevitable destruction of the Federal Reserve System’s currency through hyperinflation in the foreseeable future; and

WHEREAS, in the event of hyperinflation, depression, or other economic calamity related to the breakdown of the Federal Reserve System, for which the Commonwealth is not prepared, the Commonwealth’s governmental finances and Virginia’s private economy will be thrown into chaos, with gravely detrimental effects upon the lives, health, and property of Virginia’s citizens, and with consequences fatal to the preservation of good order throughout the Commonwealth; and

WHEREAS, Virginia can avoid or at least mitigate many of the economic, social, and political shocks to be expected to arise from hyperinflation, depression, or other economic calamity related to the breakdown of the Federal Reserve System only through the timely adoption of an alternative sound currency that the Commonwealth’s government and citizens may employ without delay in the event of the destruction of the Federal Reserve System’s currency; and

WHEREAS, “legal tender” denotes a currency that must be accepted in payment of a debt denominated in United States “dollars” if the parties have not stipulated that some alternative currency is to be used as their medium of payment or are not otherwise required to use such alternative currency; and

WHEREAS, the Federal Reserve System’s currency has been designated “legal tender” under color of Title 31, United States Code, Section 5103; and

WHEREAS, under Title 12, United States Code, § 411 and Title 31, United States Code, § 5118(b) and (c), the Federal Reserve System’s currency is not redeemable in gold or silver coin or the equivalent in bullion; and

WHEREAS, that the Federal Reserve System’s currency is not redeemable in gold or silver coin or the equivalent in bullion is being identified by more and more experts as a, if not the, major reason for the ever-increasing instability of the Federal Reserve System; and

WHEREAS, all gold and silver coins of the United States are designated “legal tender” under the aegis of Title 31, United States Code, §§ 5103 and 5112(h), and must be so designated perforce of Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 and Article I, Section 10, Clause 1 of the Constitution of the United States; and

WHEREAS, pursuant to Article I, Section 10, Clause 1 of and the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, each State must make gold and silver coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; and

WHEREAS, the Supreme Court of the United States in Lane County v. Oregon, 74 U.S. (7 Wallace) 71, 76-78 (1869), and Hagar v. Reclamation District No. 108, 111 U.S. 701, 706 (1884), has ruled that the States may adopt whatever currency they desire for the purposes of performing their sovereign governmental functions, even to the extent of adopting gold and silver coin for those purposes while refusing to employ a currency not redeemable in gold or silver coin that Congress has designated “legal tender”; and

WHEREAS, “the police power” being the primary sovereign governmental function of every State, under Lane County and Hagar every State may adopt its own currency, consisting of gold or silver, or both, whenever necessary and proper to facilitate exercises of that power in aid of the general welfare of the State and its citizens; and

WHEREAS, under the aegis of Title 31, United States Code, § 5118(d)(2), and perforce of Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 and Article I, Section 10, Clause 1 of, and the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to, the Constitution of the United States, Americans may employ whatever currency they choose to stipulate as the medium for payment of their private debts, including gold or silver, or both, to the exclusion of a currency not redeemable in gold or silver that Congress may have designated “legal tender”; and

WHEREAS, under the aegis of Title 31, United States Code, § 5118(d)(2), and perforce of Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 and Article I, Section 10, Clause 1 of, and the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to, the Constitution of the United States, the citizens of Virginia may choose to employ as the medium for payment of their private debts whatever alternative currency, consisting of gold or silver, or both, that the Commonwealth may adopt in the exercise of “the police power”; and

WHEREAS, in light of the possible instability of the Federal Reserve System, proposals for states and their citizens to adopt an alternative currency consisting of gold or silver, or both, are receiving increasing attention throughout the United States, as evidenced by bills that have been or are being introduced in the legislatures of the States of Georgia, Indiana, Montana, New Hampshire, and South Carolina; and

WHEREAS, various systems of alternative currency employing gold or silver, or both, in the form of coin or its equivalent in bullion have already proved themselves in the free market, and could either be employed by the Commonwealth directly or be used as models for a new system created by the Commonwealth to meet Virginia’s unique needs; and

WHEREAS, the adoption of an alternative currency consisting of gold or silver, or both, would not destabilize the present monetary and banking systems, the Commonwealth’s governmental finances, or Virginia’s private economy, because it would not compel or commit the Commonwealth or her citizens to employ such alternative currency to the exclusion of the Federal Reserve System’s currency immediately, but would merely make the alternative currency available, and enable it to be used in competition with and preference to the Federal Reserve System’s currency, to the degree that the need for such use became apparent; and

WHEREAS, the United States Congress, the U.S. Department of the Treasury, and the Federal Reserve System have taken and are preparing to take no action to provide the United States with an alternative to the Federal Reserve System’s currency, in the likely event that the latter would be destroyed through hyperinflation; and

WHEREAS, because legislators in Virginia know or should know all of these facts; and because the General Assembly has the authority, the ability, and the duty to take timely action to deal with this situation without first seeking the approval of or assistance from Congress or any other state; and because the Constitution of Virginia provides, “That all power is vested in, and consequently derived from, the people, that magistrates are their trustees and servants, and at all times amenable to them”—for these reasons, the citizens of the Commonwealth will properly conclude that the members of the General Assembly will be primarily responsible if the Commonwealth is found to be without an alternative currency when the Federal Reserve System’s currency collapses in hyperinflation, or some other related economic calamity supervenes; now, therefore, be it

RESOLVED by the House of Delegates, the Senate concurring, That a joint subcommittee be appointed to study whether the Commonwealth should adopt a currency to serve as an alternative to the currency distributed by the Federal Reserve System in the event of a major breakdown of the Federal Reserve System.

My Opinion Matters
1/12/2011, 08:30 PM
Yeah, so I'm just going to wait for Froze/Sic Em to tell us if this is a good thing or not.

XingTheRubicon
1/12/2011, 08:31 PM
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Midtowner
1/12/2011, 08:39 PM
Police powers in modern law, not that 1869 bullcrap extend to the state's powers to legislate in the areas of health, safety, morals or welfare of their people where their powers aren't already preempted by federal law.

Basic federalism folks.

I'm not impressed that some wingnut Liberty Law School grad wrote a non-binding resolution. T'ain't gonna change nothin.

Frozen Sooner
1/12/2011, 08:44 PM
Odd that he invokes Article I § 8, when that very section makes his resolution nonsense. The power to mint money is granted to the Congress in that section. The powers so granted are denied to the states if the federal government has occupied the field. Congress could certainly delegate that power back to the states (and has in the past), but for a state to create its own currency when the federal government already does? Yeah, I think that's going to go over like a lead fart.

See "Dormant Commerce Clause" for case citations if you want.

SouthCarolinaSooner
1/12/2011, 08:55 PM
Odd that he invokes Article I § 8, when that very section makes his resolution nonsense. The power to mint money is granted to the Congress in that section. The powers so granted are denied to the states if the federal government has occupied the field. Congress could certainly delegate that power back to the states (and has in the past), but for a state to create its own currency when the federal government already does? Yeah, I think that's going to go over like a lead fart.

See "Dormant Commerce Clause" for case citations if you want.
But as a back up currency that presumably wouldn't be in use? Its not like they're replacing the US dollar, just providing some insurance.

Breadburner
1/12/2011, 09:04 PM
But as a back up currency that presumably wouldn't be in use? Its not like they're replacing the US dollar, just providing some insurance.

Its called Gold.....

Frozen Sooner
1/12/2011, 09:07 PM
But as a back up currency that presumably wouldn't be in use? Its not like they're replacing the US dollar, just providing some insurance.

So suppose a state attempted to pass a law restricting trade with Cuba. Just as a backup, you understand, in case we lifted the embargo.

Such a law would be unconstitutional. Similarly, attempting to coin your own currency as a "backup" plan, just in case the dollar collapses, would be unconstitutional. Just on public policy grounds, such a move would tend to undermine faith in the national currency. You know how Glenn Beck gets all weepy about George Soros investing in CDS's on foreign currency then allegedly undermining that currency? This is basically the same thing.

Sooner5030
1/12/2011, 09:37 PM
I imagine that at the point where they'd actually call what they mint (not sure how stamping .999 fine precious metals is unconstitutional) a currency the US gubment would have their hands full with insolvency, riots and bank runs.

Half a Hundred
1/13/2011, 02:58 AM
Looks like this is a non-binding resolution, and subsequently, a non-story.