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TUSooner
1/12/2011, 10:42 AM
Pretty good take on a touchy subject.


By Tim Keown
ESPN.com

Gene Chizik distilled it all into a simple proclamation: God was with him. How nice of God, really, to look down upon the Auburn coach and his many noble athletes and bestow upon them the BCS championship. And how sad for Chip Kelly and Oregon, forced to walk off the field at the stadium sponsored by the University of Phoenix (for profit, no religious affiliation) knowing they were thwarted not only by their own reckless decisions but by God, as well.

Perhaps we have a new definition of a rough night. Losing a heartbreaker on a field goal on the last play of the game is bad enough. (Especially when the drive's signature play is a classic hair-splitting football rule interpretation on a tackle that apparently wasn't.) But imagine how much worse it was to learn afterward that you were working against not only the formidable Auburn Tigers but also the Almighty. It could be too much to handle.

Although maybe it makes it easier for Chip and the Ducks to throw up their hands and say there was nothing they could do about it. It was literally out of their hands. If nothing else, it probably would have made the Ducks think twice about showing up if someone had had the courtesy to tell them the enormity of the opposition. But still, the thought that God was putting his considerable psychic weight behind a team that includes a player with the questionable ethics of Nick Fairley casts doubt on the whole God enterprise. Besides, wouldn't He, if He cared, have gone the extra mile and allowed the Tigers to cover?

Chizik's opening postgame statement -- in response to a question by Tom Rinaldi that still hasn't been answered -- raises so many questions, none more pressing than this: If the game contained an element of predestination, and if God was the ultimate factor in the outcome, will Chizik cash the $600,000 bonus check his contract deems he will receive for winning the title? Or will he donate it to a deserving Christian charity in Auburn or the Sisters of the Holy Faith? After all, how much did he have to do with it?

This is nothing new, of course. In fact, Chizik has traveled this road at least once before, when he ended up clarifying comments ("That was a God thing") he made after his team beat Clemson in September. Winners tend to discern the face of God in the winning field goal or the other guy's wide throw to first in the bottom of the ninth. Most of the time, however, it's delivered in some general sense of gratitude for allowing the believer to participate in such a grand endeavor.

I'm guessing most of us prefer to keep our religion in our churches and communities, and most of us believe comments attributing wins to God's will belittles God. Still, we're fine with athletes such as Tim Tebow who show the attendant humility to back up the idea that there's something authentic behind the words. Obviously, there is a large percentage of the God-fearing, sports-loving public that believes any mention of God by a high-profile participant is cause for celebration, regardless of context.

There is a distinction, though. It's one thing to use the vast public forum to thank God for your success and give him the glory of the moment, but it's quite another to attribute the outcome of the game to some divine decision that dictated a last-second win. And perhaps, in an act of maliciousness that seems inconsistent with a benevolent deity, had a hand in Kelly's mind-numbing decision to go for it on fourth down instead of kicking a field goal that would have made the score 19-14 with 2:26 remaining in the third quarter.

The difference between gratitude and attribution is not negligible; one displays humility, the other hubris. It seems like a basic tenet of Christianity to give glory to God, quite another to pronounce that God was giving glory to you. However, given the unnatural amount of credit doled out to college coaches, maybe Chizik can be forgiven if he occasionally mixes up his and God's respective positioning.

And maybe Chizik's God is like me. Maybe he's sick of Oregon's uniform porn and made his decision on that basis. I mean -- 80 different uniform possibilities? Is this college football or Bowl Game Barbie? And slightly more seriously, is there any sense to a system that won't allow me, when I'm on assignment as a magazine reporter, to buy a meal for an athlete who has given his time to grant me an interview but does allow Phil Knight to sink an estimated $300 million into the Oregon athletic program for the purpose of marketing his company and recruiting better athletes to his alma mater? And if he is going to spend all that money, can he at least get someone in the building who suggests -- politely, because Phil apparently doesn't abide contrariness -- that it go to a purpose other than making his team look as if it's wearing Day-Glo booties?

That's the kind of divine intervention college football needs.

ESPN The Magazine senior writer Tim Keown co-wrote Josh Hamilton's autobiography, "Beyond Belief: Finding the Strength to Come Back," which is available on Amazon.com.

Lawton4Life
1/12/2011, 10:46 AM
pretty funny take! Like God really cares about the winners of sporting contests and things like the Best New Artist Grammy

sooner518
1/12/2011, 10:49 AM
haha well written article. as a Christian, I always cringe when I hear things like this come from athletes or coaches after winning a game. to hear it come from people like Cam Newton and Chizik, well barf

Aries
1/12/2011, 10:50 AM
How was that signature play on the drive a "classic hair-splitting football rule interpretation on a tackle that apparently wasn't"...??

The guy was not down. That's how they called it, and replay confirmed that they were right. You have to tackle the ball carrier, if you don't, you can't blame it on the rule.

OUmillenium
1/12/2011, 10:58 AM
As a coach and a Christian, I often wonder if God looks at the full stadiums of people at a sporting event and thinks "Is this really the best place for you to be right now when so many people in the world need _____ (food, caring, shelter, etc.)?"



I do believe that sports allow for coaches to influence young people in a positive manner as well as offering the athletically gifted a way to up their station in life.

badger
1/12/2011, 11:00 AM
True story: The A&M Listeater said she was "right with God" after eating the list.

When all other arguments fail, just use the G-word :rolleyes:

LRoss
1/12/2011, 11:00 AM
Exactly what sooners518 said. Great article and well dealt with -- plus funny. It's hard to write about God, be inoffensive, and funny all at the same time.

Except what Aries said. The play was close but it let's not call every close but correct call hair-splitting, and whatever we think of the rule (I don't like it personally) there wasn't really any "interpretation" going on.

KantoSooner
1/12/2011, 11:24 AM
Well, let's see, God loves the Dallas Cowboys, that's a dead-bang certainty; although He seems to be teaching them humility of late.
He also loves Alabama waaaaaaaaay more than Florida. Or maybe He just dislikes Urban Myer.
Clearly Chizik is right: He was on Auburn's side Monday night...which is understandable considering the leftist, pot smoky-ness of Oregon.
And He surely loves each and every RB and WR who outran a DB into the endzone and then pointed up to the sky. Or at least He loved them more, at that moment, than the DB in question. Or maybe He just wanted to teach the DB's team an object lesson.

Does anyone else find this sort of linking the Almighty to everyday nonsense events to be cloying, emabarrassing and ultimately phony? Hell, I'm at least agnostic and maybe further over the other side of the spectrum and I find myself cringe when otherwise intelligent Christian (or Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist) friends lapse into this BS. Even an omniscient being has better things to do with their time than pay attention to a sporting contest.

Except the RRS, of course, which is a Manichean struggle between light (OU), darkness (UT), the forces of good (OU), evil (UT) and all that is right for the future of the planet. His interest in that game, I can understand.

MsProudSooner
1/12/2011, 11:32 AM
That's an excellent article that eloquently explains why I cringed and changed the channel while listening to Chizek's post game interview. Loved the 'Bowl Game Barbie' description of Oregon's uniforms, too.

OUby35
1/12/2011, 12:11 PM
In the incredibly unlikely event that a god or gods exists I think a college football championship is probably down the priority list from starving kids in Africa or even starving kids in the US.

OUmillenium
1/12/2011, 12:26 PM
The opposing argument would be that God dislikes (or likes less) all teams that lose?

yermom
1/12/2011, 12:28 PM
well, i mean he did give $180,000 to God for this season. he's giving credit where credit's due.

BoulderSooner79
1/12/2011, 12:32 PM
At least God has a sense of drama. If the game was determined by destiny, God could have pummeled the forsaken ducks 56-0 instead of a FG as time expired. Wait... did God do that so we all would waste 3+ hours of our time? Guess s/he's a practical joker too.

OUby35
1/12/2011, 12:33 PM
well, i mean he did give $180,000 to God for this season. he's giving credit where credit's due. Also don't forget the laptop god previously reallocated for him.

fadada1
1/12/2011, 12:37 PM
True story: The A&M Listeater said she was "right with God" after eating the list.


heh

TopDawg
1/12/2011, 01:07 PM
As a coach and a Christian, I often wonder if God looks at the full stadiums of people at a sporting event and thinks "Is this really the best place for you to be right now when so many people in the world need _____ (food, caring, shelter, etc.)?"

I wonder the same thing. And then I come to the conclusion that he must.

Seamus
1/12/2011, 01:35 PM
http://content7.flixster.com/question/62/30/48/6230485_std.jpg

Blasphemers!

Leroy Lizard
1/12/2011, 01:46 PM
How many of these athletes who think God handed them the victory even go to church?

PalmBeachSooner
1/12/2011, 01:49 PM
pretty funny take! Like God really cares about the winners of sporting contests and things like the Best New Artist Grammy

I realized that many years ago and have been much happier ever since.

TXBOOMER
1/12/2011, 01:52 PM
I love how God is a sports fan. Shows how much of a simplistic view of God people have and how man created God in his image not vise versa.

Jacie
1/12/2011, 02:11 PM
God does care about football else there would be no football. He certainly cares more about it than starving kids in Africa cuz there's no shortage of those . . .

OhU1
1/12/2011, 02:21 PM
...simplistic view of God people have and how man created God in his image not vise versa.

Nailed it.

SouthFortySooner
1/12/2011, 02:35 PM
God works in mysterious ways. As in the mystery of where the money came for Cammies daddy's new church?

AirbOUrne
1/12/2011, 02:41 PM
Awesome,
"Maybe he's sick of Oregon's uniform porn and made his decision on that basis. I mean -- 80 different uniform possibilities? Is this college football or Bowl Game Barbie?"
That's some funny $%@!

OklahomaSooners
1/12/2011, 02:47 PM
I love how God is a sports fan. Shows how much of a simplistic view of God people have and how man created God in his image not vise versa.

This

ouduckhunter
1/12/2011, 02:56 PM
HaHa, funny stuff!! He brings up some great points too about why is it o.k. For PK to buy Oreygone a program while the rest of can't buy a player a cup o coffee without getting in trouble.

fadada1
1/12/2011, 03:01 PM
"College Football is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy"

-Ben Franklin

:D







[OK, maybe he said beer]

ictsooner7
1/12/2011, 03:22 PM
My wife had a good point with all of this God picking football winners.....she asked - is he saying God doesn't like the other team as much as he loves them? I was under the impression that God loves us all equal.

bent rider
1/12/2011, 03:30 PM
My favorite is when Austin Collie, the BYU receiver, said that [the Mormon god] made magic happen when you're living right on and off the field after he made a catch to win the game over their in-state rival (Utah). I guess this year they weren't living right because Utah blocked their chip shot field goal that would have won the game.

DCsooner22
1/12/2011, 04:11 PM
Perhaps in the up-to-date translated version of the Bible that is set to grace our presence sometime soon, there will be a few (otherwise forgotten and found Lost Lake Thunderbird Scrolls; they'll of course be stained a nice, clay red...) passages about the Almighty's love of college football and all things sports, His involvement in sporting events and utter hatred of Texas (hopefully) - of course, this all depends on the translator.

Hellz... I hope the translator is not a * grad...

AlboSooner
1/12/2011, 04:25 PM
Spot on column. However, Tebow (the king of God-sports-jargon) should have been criticized more.

Cornfed
1/12/2011, 04:37 PM
I didn't see where he says that God is why he won, he just says God was with him.

2121Sooner
1/12/2011, 04:40 PM
We all laughed when he said that. Yeah, God was with him and Auburn and not Oregon.

We were also going on when they called the white receiver from Oregon as "sneaky fast". I was saying that was racist. What if we called some black player "sneaky smart"?

How well would that go over?

KantoSooner
1/12/2011, 04:45 PM
Ah, the old 'sneaky fast'. I remember in the late 1970's this used to be a standard observation made of any white receiver.
It was the opposite of the other white receivers who were 'tricky slow'.

DarrellZero
1/12/2011, 05:03 PM
God's been pretty good to OU over the years, so I ain't complaining.

Except for John Blake of course.

Cornfed
1/12/2011, 05:10 PM
God's been pretty good to OU over the years, so I ain't complaining.

Except for John Blake of course.

John did not have God "with" him....;)

85sooners
1/12/2011, 05:56 PM
:eek:

OUEngr1990
1/12/2011, 06:01 PM
I don't think God pays as much attention to the 'W' or 'L' as much as he does how it affects you. In many cases, a 'L' is what God delievers because he cares. Kinda deep, I know..it's so complex we will never understand it completely..

redkid
1/12/2011, 07:00 PM
Cant put God in a box,,who knows, he may love football or he may not,but I do know he joys in the love of his children, and he loves blessing those who he delights in,,

2121Sooner
1/12/2011, 10:45 PM
Cant put God in a box,,who knows, he may love football or he may not,but I do know he joys in the love of his children, and he loves blessing those who he delights in,,

Uh........ok

Leroy Lizard
1/12/2011, 11:10 PM
Spot on column. However, Tebow (the king of God-sports-jargon) should have been criticized more.

No, Tebow walks the walk.

Leroy Lizard
1/12/2011, 11:12 PM
Perhaps all this God talk coming from coaches is just meaningless coach-speak that the coach himself doesn't even believe.

sozo
1/12/2011, 11:37 PM
Cant put God in a box,,who knows, he may love football or he may not,but I do know he joys in the love of his children, and he loves blessing those who he delights in,,For sure!

SoonerinSouthlake
1/13/2011, 09:51 AM
For sure!

Ladies and Gents
Allow me to give you a different camera angle on the subject. This is a SPORTS FORUM and I realize that...so begging your forgiveness if this sounds like like Im trying to turn it into a religious debate.

The Bible, in many places, like Proverbs 3:6, tells us to acknowledge God in all things and he will direct out paths.

http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Proverbs+3:6&passage2=&passage3=&passage4=&passage5=&version1=8&version2=0&version3=0&version4=0&version5=0&Submit.x=36&Submit.y=10

I think in this case and in many others..that is what people are trying to do....ACKNOWLEDGE GOD. They just fail to communicate it in a way that simply gives Glory to God. I don't think Gene Chizik was trying to to arrogantly imply that God was wearing a War Eagle shirt on Monday evening and placed "Angles in the Endzone" to make sure the Ducks couldn't run their offense effectively.

Tim Tebow, among others, chooses to say "I just want to give the Glory to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ". ( I know I know, we cant stand Tim Tebow on this board...) I'll bet next year when we win # 8 in New Orleans that our own Landry Jones will do the same. You can rest assured, that while there may not be articles written about it, people will say the same thing.

Also..If God loves us as much as the Bible says he does....then guess what...he cares that we love football. Those of you who have kids can relate how much joy it gives you when you see your children thrilled about something you see as trivial. When my son greets me at the door upon my arrival from work, thrilled about figuring out his Lego's, I dont respond by saying..."seriously son, Lego's?..I have deadlines to meet and there are starving people in the world...I don't have time to care about your Legos" Nope...it makes my heart warm to see my son happy. If you dont have kids...you are welcome to disregard this paragraph until you do ;)

I admit I have no idea what is inside Gene Chiziks heart or what he believes...He may very well think God graduated from Auburn...like I said...this is just a different camera angle on him and others in the same situation.

landrun
1/13/2011, 12:42 PM
Who knew??

The statement "God was with us" can be rightfully interpreted to mean:
God was NOT with Oregon
God loves Auburn fans more than Oregon fans (now, I know I do but wouldn't say God did. :) )
God doesn't like Oregon football.
God was rooting for Auburn to win the game.
God intervened in the game to cause Auburn to win.
....
and many other such things.

This is what happens in arguments all the time.
In order to win an argument (or simply to make someone look bad) you try to frame your opponent's statements insisting that they mean far more than they were ever meant to mean.

Most of the statements in this thread sound like they came from Sean Hannity or Keith Olberman. :rolleyes:

I personally don't have a problem with his statement and don't see how it can be said to imply anything of the sort this guy mentions in this article.

If you disagree with me, you're wrong. :cool: :rolleyes: :D

Cornfed
1/13/2011, 03:47 PM
So where do I get my remote control for God??

BillyBall
1/13/2011, 04:04 PM
How many of these athletes who think God handed them the victory even go to church?

Oh... So God only lets you win games if you tithe? Gotcha.

KantoSooner
1/13/2011, 04:36 PM
Oh... So God only lets you win games if you tithe? Gotcha.

That would match most established religious practice.

2121Sooner
1/13/2011, 04:38 PM
Oh... So God only lets you win games if you tithe? Gotcha.



That's why the original Martin Luther did his own thang!!

DCsooner22
1/13/2011, 04:44 PM
So where do I get my remote control for God??

You need a golden crate.

First, you have to find this weird, round medallion thingy with a crystal in the middle, translate some funky language on it, and then go to this room with a map of a dead city - oh, wait, first you have to find the map of the dead city; it *should* be somewhere in Egypt.

Anyway, go there at the right time of day with your medallion on top of a long stick and watch where the ray beam hits the map of the dead city. Then, go there and dig up this weird, golden crate.

Oh, yeah, and watch out for any bad guys that might be looking for the crate.

Then, once you open the golden crate, you can talk to god. If you have any bad guys lingering around and annoying you, they should be "taken care of." Here, like this:

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A more comprehensive, step-by-step version on how to find the golden crate can be seen here:


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