Palin hates healthy kids

[NormanPride]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/11/24/martin.michelle.obama.palin/index.html?iref=obinsite


(CNN) -- It's clear that we can't go 24 hours without Sarah Palin saying something so stupid that it defies logic, but leave it to the Kim Kardashian of politics to find something wrong with first lady Michelle Obama's effort to curb obesity in America's kids.

In a radio interview on Wednesday with conservative talker Laura Ingraham, Palin took dead aim at the first lady's "Let's Move" initiative, which is all about getting children active and involved in exercise and healthy eating.

In the wacky world of Wasilla's finest, Palin tries to cast the effort to fight obesity as part of Michelle Obama's "different worldview."

Here is a portion of the transcript from HuffingtonPost.com: "Take her anti-obesity thing that she is on. She is on this kick, right. What she is telling us is she cannot trust parents to make decisions for their own children, for their own families in what we should eat.

"And I know I'm going to be again criticized for bringing this up, but instead of a government thinking that they need to take over and make decisions for us according to some politician or politician's wife priorities, just leave us alone, get off our back and allow us as individuals to exercise our own God-given rights to make our own decisions and then our country gets back on the right track."

Hmmm. "Let's Move" is Obama's "kick?" Maybe someone should kick Sarah Palin so she can understand how devastating obesity is to the future of the United States.

According to the first lady's "Let's Move" website:

• Obesity rates among children have tripled in the last three decades, and one in three children are obese.

• One-third of all children born after 2000 will suffer from diabetes.

• Children are less active today than at any other time in American history, spending 7.5 hours a day watching TV, playing video games or simply involved in efforts that don't require movement.

• Obesity is contributing to the vast increase in hypertension among Americans.

Now, since Palin is always talking about our nation's military and how we have to honor them and show them love and affection, let's listen to what a group of generals said a few months ago about obesity and America's national defense.

A study released in April by Mission: Readiness, a nonprofit group of more than 150 retired generals and admirals, concluded that 27 percent of 18- to 24-year-olds are too fat to join the military.

The culprit? Junk food and too much fat in school lunches.

Said the study: "Today, otherwise excellent recruiting prospects, some of them with generations of sterling military service in their family history, are being turned away because they are just too overweight. Our standards are high because we clearly cannot have people in our command who are not up to the job. Too many lives depend on it."

In testimony before Congress, the former head of the California Army National Guard, retired U.S. Army Major Gen. Paul Monroe, said that "80 percent of children who were overweight between the ages of 10 to 15 were obese by age 25."

He and other military leaders want Congress to enact a massive child nutrition bill to remove all junk food and high-calorie beverages from schools, improve nutrition standards in schools, upgrade school menus and, the group said, "help develop new school-based strategies, based on research, that help parents and children adopt healthier lifelong eating and exercise habits."

Monroe testified: "In 1946, Congress passed the National School Lunch Act as a matter of national security. In the past, retired admirals and generals have stood up to make it clear that America is only as healthy as our nation's children. Childhood obesity is now undermining our national security and we need to start turning it around today."

So, Sarah Palin, are you going to also rip into this decorated American and say that he and 150 other military leaders are dead wrong?

I recently sat down with Michelle Obama for a prime time special on TV One cable network dedicated to her "Let's Move" initiative. It was startling to listen to her talk about the horrible statistics and the shape we'll be in in the future, figuratively and literally.

"The crisis that we're facing around childhood obesity hits everything," Obama said. "It's about education, what our kids are learning about nutrition in the schools, the quality of the food in the schools. It's about our neighborhood development. How are neighborhoods designed?

"Are our kids -- do they have access to safe places to play? Are we structuring communities in a way that facilitates healthy living? Are there accessible and affordable healthy foods in our communities? And it's about economic opportunity as well, because if folks can't afford to put food on the table, then they're eating what they can.

"So this is one of those issues that requires us to talk about a little bit of everything. And it makes us look at ourselves a little more closely and it makes us look at the broader society. So we're beginning to understand this is a threat."

This latest broadside by Palin shows how reckless and ridiculous she is.

Libertarians and far right conservative Republicans are always talking about government intrusion into our lives, but when we look at clean water, air quality and food supply, thank God for governmental standards.

Don't think for a second I'm not paying attention. I've increased my health awareness, am changing my diet and working out more to lose weight, and am pushing family members to do the same. That's really the whole point of Michelle Obama's "Let's Move."

Any Republican with common sense should see that Sarah Palin poses an immediate threat to the future of this country. She proves that every time she opens her mouth.

Sarah, for the benefit of the nation, stick a fork in it.


tl;dr - Palin ribs Michelle Obama's quest to end childhood obesity as "government trying to tell parents what to do". This is an editorial from CNN, so please ignore the hyperbole.

[2121Sooner]

What is the difference between Palin mouth and her vagina?


Only one retarded thing has come out of her vagina.




As a Republican she is an embarrassment......and if you are offended by the joke nobody cares.

[swardboy]

The same Sarah Palin that runs daily? That has hunted in Alaska from childhood? Whose son served in Iraq? That could run circles around most of the fat bastards that post here?

Michelle, get yo fat behind outta my face....

[NormanPride]

I don't think anyone is questioning Palin's physical fitness... I think the issue here is she's picked a very poor talking point to discuss the government being too involved in people's lives.

[2121Sooner]

The same Sarah Palin that runs daily? That has hunted in Alaska from childhood? Whose son served in Iraq? That could run circles around most of the fat bastards that post here?

...


You forgot.....

You mean the same Sarah Palin that I would pound with the force of a thousand strikes from Thor's hammer?


Yeah, that one.

[GrapevineSooner]

I don't think anyone is questioning Palin's physical fitness... I think the issue here is she's picked a very poor talking point to discuss the government being too involved in people's lives.

And here's the thing.

First Lady's adopting a cause and recording PSA's isn't necessarily the same thing as government getting involved to try and solve an issue.

Really, Michelle is doing nothing that different from Nancy Reagan's Just Say No campaign to prevent drug use by children.

And it's proof that Sarah Palin still has no clue when to pick a battle and when to stand on the sideline.

[3rdgensooner]

And I know I'm going to be again criticized for bringing this up, but instead of a government thinking that they need to take over and make decisions for us according to some politician or politician's wife priorities, just leave us alone, get off our back and allow us as individuals to exercise our own God-given rights to make our own decisions and then our country gets back on the right track."

I never would have expected her to be pro-gay marriage.

[2121Sooner]

And here's the thing.

First Lady's adopting a cause and recording PSA's isn't necessarily the same thing as government getting involved to try and solve an issue.



When Michelle Obama can get her husband quit smoking, then she can tell me how to be healthy.

Clean your own house before you tell me what to do.

[AlboSooner]

The govt shouldn't tell parents what to do. Palin should.

[GrapevineSooner]

The govt shouldn't tell parents what to do. Palin should.

No Bernie Sanders should.

[GottaHavePride]

When Michelle Obama can get her husband quit smoking, then she can tell me how to be healthy.

Clean your own house before you tell me what to do.

According to the White House press secretary, he quit smoking NINE MONTHS AGO.

http://blogs.mcclatchydc.com/washington/2010/12/gibbs-obamas-quit-smoking.html

[Blue]

What is the difference between Palin mouth and her vagina?


Only one retarded thing has come out of her vagina.




As a Republican she is an embarrassment.

Man. That comment was an embarrassment.

[Penguin]

If there is no law against pregnant women drinking, then why are we drawing up a law against kids eating junk food?


Pregnant women are free to choose if and when and how much they want to drink. But, kids eating junk food should be stopped? Am I the only one that sees something out of whack here?

[Soonerman82]

If there is no law against pregnant women drinking, then why are we drawing up a law against kids eating junk food?


Pregnant women are free to choose if and when and how much they want to drink. But, kids eating junk food should be stopped? Am I the only one that sees something out of whack here?

It's just more American hypocrisy.

[soonercruiser]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/11/24/martin.michelle.obama.palin/index.html?iref=obinsite

tl;dr - Palin ribs Michelle Obama's quest to end childhood obesity as "government trying to tell parents what to do". This is an editorial from CNN, so please ignore the hyperbole.

Palin is smart enough to push back against all the retarded socialists like Michelle Obama who want to control all of our lives. The continued proposals about our children are a continum of socialistic propopsals.
I just heard yesterday that they are even now pushing for serving an evening meal at inner city schools!!!

No problem!
Let's invite the parents! Let's show a movie!
No! Better yet, let's bus them to a Broadway show with the Obamas????

WHILE ROME BURNS, THE NEROS FIDDLE AROUND! Duh!

[yermom]

what the **** are you talking about?

[Ctina]

If there is no law against pregnant women drinking, then why are we drawing up a law against kids eating junk food?


Pregnant women are free to choose if and when and how much they want to drink. But, kids eating junk food should be stopped? Am I the only one that sees something out of whack here?


You're just not seeing the progression this will take. Healthier, smarter kids will grow up and know not to drink when they are pregnant. 2 birds, 1 stone. (being thrown really, really far.):rolleyes:

[MR2-Sooner86]

Maybe, just maybe, if we didn't ban tag, touch football, soccer, or any children's game that involves any form of physical activity that has gone on for decades but suddenly we're smart enough to know how bad it is so now it'll be where the kids just sit on their asses all recess and gym periods....NAH!

[soonercruiser]

what the **** are you talking about?

Maybe YOU should be asking NormanPride what the HE11 he is talking about saying "Palin hates healthy kids". Duh!
(Sounds like a LW talking point from the Huffington Post!)

[yermom]

Palin is smart enough to push back against all the retarded socialists like Michelle Obama who want to control all of our lives. The continued proposals about our children are a continum of socialistic propopsals.
I just heard yesterday that they are even now pushing for serving an evening meal at inner city schools!!!

No problem!
Let's invite the parents! Let's show a movie!
No! Better yet, let's bus them to a Broadway show with the Obamas????

WHILE ROME BURNS, THE NEROS FIDDLE AROUND! Duh!

what does any of that have to do with anything in the thread?

who cares about evening meals? what is socialist about that? i swear the Obamas could make a statement about cancer being bad and you guys would find a way to turn that into a way they were ruining America

[SicEmBaylor]

Michelle Obama can encourage all she wants. I have no problem with that.

What I would take issue with is if this crap becomes mandated.

[SicEmBaylor]

I feel like I'm being targeted and discriminated against in all of this. Do you people have any idea how scrawny and skinny I am? I eat more junk food than Fat Bastard, and I can't gain a single ounce.

If we get rid of the fat, sugar, and all the delicious preservatives and artificial flavorings then I have no hope of ever putting meat on my boney ***.

Clearly the Obamas don't care about the morbidly under-weight.

[Penguin]

If we get rid of the fat, sugar, and all the delicious preservatives and artificial flavorings then I have no hope of ever putting meat on my boney ***.


Sugar? I thought you had the dia-beet-us. :confused:

[SicEmBaylor]

Sugar? I thought you had the dia-beet-us. :confused:

I do. I pay it no mind. But not every poor wretched skinny kid who can't gain wait does. I speak for all of them.

[Ctina]

I do. I pay it no mind. But not every poor wretched skinny kid who can't gain wait does. I speak for all of them.

If you want good weight, you need protein to build muscle. All the sugar and stuff will do is put fat on. Example #1 is me. Too much sugar = too much fat. :eek:

[SicEmBaylor]

If you want good weight, you need protein to build muscle. All the sugar and stuff will do is put fat on. Example #1 is me. Too much sugar = too much fat. :eek:

Still doesn't work. Most of what I eat is protein. No, I think the problem is a lack of vitamins because I'm pretty much strictly a meat eater along with some pastas here and there. So, I'm way the hell good on proteins and carbs. It's everything else -- it has to be.

And the sugar does not put fat on me. It never has. What I want is fat. I couldn't give a **** about muscle. I just want some meat on me.

[2121Sooner]

Michelle Obama can encourage all she wants. I have no problem with that.

What I would take issue with is if this crap becomes mandated.


Yeah, cause Lord knows they cant mandate anything......like having to purchase insurance or if you dont it is against the law.

Yeah, they would NEVER try to pull something like that off.

[OUthunder]

Man. That comment was an embarrassment.

I've seen folks banned on here for less.

[2121Sooner]

I've seen folks banned on here for less.

For saying something bad about Palin?


Wow......talk about touchy

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I don't think anyone is questioning Palin's physical fitness... I think the issue here is she's picked a very poor talking point to discuss the government being too involved in people's lives.It's obvious to all America how stupid, evil, and crazy Palin, and really all conservative women are. Good that this thread was posted, because it's time someone finally criticized Palin. It's a cryin' shame that a woman who is so stupid, evil and crazy continues to be in the limelight.

[SicEmBaylor]

Palin is a conservative?

[picasso]

Still doesn't work. Most of what I eat is protein. No, I think the problem is a lack of vitamins because I'm pretty much strictly a meat eater along with some pastas here and there. So, I'm way the hell good on proteins and carbs. It's everything else -- it has to be.

And the sugar does not put fat on me. It never has. What I want is fat. I couldn't give a **** about muscle. I just want some meat on me.

Lift weights. Your body will demand that you eat more.

Add a few peanut butter sandwiches into your diet. Even if you aren't hungry.

If you really wanna gain weight. Shack up with a nice big corn fed girl for a while.

[yermom]

It's obvious to all America how stupid, evil, and crazy Palin, and really all conservative women are. Good that this thread was posted, because it's time someone finally criticized Palin. It's a cryin' shame that a woman who is so stupid, evil and crazy continues to be in the limelight.

finally a post i can agree with :D

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Palin is a conservative?

She's anti-abortion rights to the bone.

She supports the use of capital punishment, opposes same-sex marriage, supports the option of teaching creationism in public schools. Supports NRA positions on handguns and semi-automatic possession rights.

Supports the off-shore drilling rights, opposes nationalized health care, opposes cap-and-trade.

She's not a Goldwater libertarian conservative, but clearly a cultural conservative.

[MR2-Sooner86]

She's anti-abortion rights to the bone.

She supports the use of capital punishment, opposes same-sex marriage, supports the option of teaching creationism in public schools. Supports NRA positions on handguns and semi-automatic possession rights.

Supports the off-shore drilling rights, opposes nationalized health care, opposes cap-and-trade.

She's not a Goldwater libertarian conservative, but clearly a cultural conservative.

http://www.anunews.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/aa-neo-cons-deposit-them-in-garbage-can.jpg

[SicEmBaylor]

http://www.anunews.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/aa-neo-cons-deposit-them-in-garbage-can.jpg

I love you.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

finally a post i can agree with :DGood. I was fishin' for a Yermom validation.

[GKeeper316]

if sarah palin were really concerned about individual liberty, she'd change her stance on gay marriage and the legalization of narcotics. since she has not yet, nor will she, i can only assume she's as bad as the left wing elitists you guys always talk about deciding whats best for us instead of us deciding whats best for us.

[picasso]

if sarah palin were really concerned about individual liberty, she'd change her stance on gay marriage and the legalization of narcotics. since she has not yet, nor will she, i can only assume she's as bad as the left wing elitists you guys always talk about deciding whats best for us instead of us deciding whats best for us.

Yeah those two issues are all about individual liberties.

Ridiculous.

If libs were concerned about individual liberties they wouldn't want to nationalize health care and everything else under the sun.

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

Yeah those two issues are all about individual liberties.

Ridiculous.

If libs were concerned about individual liberties they wouldn't want to nationalize health care and everything else under the sun.
You're right, they are. Gay marriage is about the purest individual liberty issue there is, it has NO effect on third parties whatsoever. Narcotics use, well if you're a Second Amendment "guns don't kill people, dangerous minori......people kill people" advocate, you should be all for legalization of narcotics.

They are concerned, they just want to lump healthcare in as a "right".

[picasso]

You're right, they are. Gay marriage is about the purest individual liberty issue there is, it has NO effect on third parties whatsoever. Narcotics use, well if you're a Second Amendment "guns don't kill people, dangerous minori......people kill people" advocate, you should be all for legalization of narcotics.

They are concerned, they just want to lump healthcare in as a "right".

GK just chose two of the hottest button issues out there to make a point about a conservative. It's just silly.

As I said, the big beef about abortion seems to be taking away a woman's right to choose all the while having no problem taking away individual choice for the rest of your body! Which is what will happen under a federal health program.

[soonerscuba]

She has a knack for getting paid, good on her. She won't get the nomination, and if by some miracle does, Jimmy Carter could steal the primary from Obama and donkey-punch her electorally and promptly die leaving the VP Barney Frank to be America's second gay president (first open if you don't count Buchanan).

[picasso]

She has a knack for getting paid, good on her. She won't get the nomination, and if by some miracle does, Jimmy Carter could steal the primary from Obama and donkey-punch her electorally and promptly die leaving the VP Barney Frank to be America's second gay president (first open if you don't count Buchanan).

I don't know any fellow Repubs who would vote for her. She's certainly annoying.

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

As I said, the big beef about abortion seems to be taking away a woman's right to choose all the while having no problem taking away individual choice for the rest of your body! Which is what will happen under a federal health program.
I don't think there has been any suggestion of banning private health care, like there has been banning abortion.

[2121Sooner]

I love that liberals are so for the option to have an abortion, but yet at the same time are against the death penalty.


There? Have we really opened up a can of worms for debate now?

:pop:

[SicEmBaylor]

She is not a conservative. In order to truly be a conservative, you need to have a firm understanding of the ideological origins of conservatism. It helps a lot if you can speak intelligently on the origins of various strands of conservatism and be capable of contrasting them not only with liberalism but with those other strands of itself.

Sure you can go give a speech with conservative themes and talk about issues and positions that may commonly be considered conservative issues/positions, but that doesn't make you a conservative...it makes you a parrot. Sarah Palin is a parrot. She's a political celebrity with a very shallow understanding of what it is that she's talking about.

The problem is, the guys out there who really know what they're talking about and who have taken the time to educate themselves for decades and decades are never listened to. They show up on TV from time to time, but most people don't know who they are and they aren't at the forefront of the movement. This is true of conservatism and liberalism.

So, instead of people paying attention to the people who actually know what they're talking about, we're left with people like Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, Keith Olbermann, etc.

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

I love that liberals are so for the option to have an abortion, but yet at the same time are against the death penalty.


There? Have we really opened up a can of worms for debate now?

:pop:
I love that neocons are so for destroying human life with the death penalty, but yet at the same time can't destroy inhuman life with abortion.

There? Have we really opened up a can of worms for debate now?

[yermom]

it's cool. punish unborn children for their parents' lack of responsibility. no one really needs to deal with the consequences of their actions anymore. that would be sexist, and probably racist.

[2121Sooner]

I love that neocons are so for destroying human life with the death penalty, but yet at the same time can't destroy inhuman life with abortion.

There? Have we really opened up a can of worms for debate now?

Well played.



I like the turn this thread has taken.......



Can we then talk about abortions and stem cells now too and how scientists want to increase the level of abortions just to harvest the stem cells for research?

[2121Sooner]

So, instead of people paying attention to the people who actually know what they're talking about, we're left with people like Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, Keith Olbermann, etc.

Dont forget Robert Gibbs

[SicEmBaylor]

Dont forget Robert Gibbs

I didn't forget Robert Gibbs -- he doesn't apply.

We're talking about pundits and leaders within the movement. Robert Gibbs is the official White House spokesman....apples and oranges. Now if and when he resigns his position and becomes a talking head then, yes, Robert Gibbs could be included.

[GKeeper316]

Can we then talk about abortions and stem cells now too and how scientists want to increase the level of abortions just to harvest the stem cells for research?

how about a free market as it pertains to human cloning?*


*i will not give up the fight until i have an elle macpherson circa 1990 clone to be my personal slave!

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

it's cool. punish unborn children for their parents' lack of responsibility. no one really needs to deal with the consequences of their actions anymore. that would be sexist, and probably racist.
You can't punish something that doesn't exist yet.

[picasso]

I don't think there has been any suggestion of banning private health care, like there has been banning abortion.

Are we going through this again? Apparently there are certain parts of the bill where you just might lose your choice for care and physician.
I've done that through Indian Health Care. It sucks.

[yermom]

you mean like lots of insurance companies already do?

[bigfatjerk]

There won't be private health care if this bill gets it's way. That's the point of this bill.

[picasso]

you mean like lots of insurance companies already do?

Insurance companies don't allow you to choose a physician and where you can be treated at? That's a pretty crappy plan.

I had some problems with cancer and it had to be approved by a panel before I could get any treatment.
And appointments? Be ready to wait a few months, just sayin.

[SCOUT]

There won't be private health care if this bill gets it's way. That's the point of this bill.

Yep. The idea is to make private insurance so unattractive that people will choose the public option. If that doesn't work, it makes it financially stupid for a private employer to provide private insurance.

This bill is a stepping stone towards a single payer system. The same system that is largely contributing to the bankruptcy of an entire continent.

It should work here though :rolleyes:

[yermom]

Insurance companies don't allow you to choose a physician and where you can be treated at? That's a pretty crappy plan.

I had some problems with cancer and it had to be approved by a panel before I could get any treatment.
And appointments? Be ready to wait a few months, just sayin.

it depends on the plan, and usually you only get whatever plan(s) your HR department has decided to let you have

there is nothing wonderful about the status quo

[SCOUT]

it depends on the plan, and usually you only get whatever plan(s) your HR department has decided to let you have

there is nothing wonderful about the status quo

Then you should get another job. Benefits are just a portion of your compensation. For example, our benefits are fantastic. The employer pays 90% of employee premiums and 75% of dependent. We have a $250 deductible with $2,500 out of pocket maximum.

The problem with a government insurer is that you can't go to someone else. You get what you get. If you don't like it, suck it.

[yermom]

Then you should get another job. Benefits are just a portion of your compensation. For example, our benefits are fantastic. The employer pays 90% of employee premiums and 75% of dependent. We have a $250 deductible with $2,500 out of pocket maximum.

The problem with a government insurer is that you can't go to someone else. You get what you get. If you don't like it, suck it.


yeah, it's real easy to just find a better job. and really, i don't think leaving a good job just for better insurance would ever be a solution i'd like to see

but, wait, you hiring? :D

how about just letting me choose the plan i want instead of setting up statewide monopolies, etc...?

[SCOUT]

I understand that finding a job is difficult, but it is at least a choice. A single payer system doesn't even provide that.

If each person could choose their individual plan, it would be pretty difficult for insurance companies to pool the risk. If that were the case, the prices would be significantly higher.

Of course, with the current system you do indeed have the choice to buy your own insurance. There isn't (currently) a law saying that you can't buy insurance on your own. Simply call a provider and tell them the specifics of the plan that you want.

[yermom]

have you priced those??

i'm just saying the current system needs to change anyway. if it didn't suck the government probably wouldn't be stepping in.

[bigfatjerk]

I understand that finding a job is difficult, but it is at least a choice. A single payer system doesn't even provide that.

If each person could choose their individual plan, it would be pretty difficult for insurance companies to pool the risk. If that were the case, the prices would be significantly higher.

Of course, with the current system you do indeed have the choice to buy your own insurance. There isn't (currently) a law saying that you can't buy insurance on your own. Simply call a provider and tell them the specifics of the plan that you want.


But it's getting harder and harder to do that now because there are fewer choices. Oklahoma you only have about 5 or 6 choices? Some states you only have 1 or 2 choices.

[SCOUT]

have you priced those??

i'm just saying the current system needs to change anyway. if it didn't suck the government probably wouldn't be stepping in.

I do that for a living, so yes. That is why it is part of your compensation. You say that you wouldn't switch jobs just for benefits, but would you switch jobs for another $10,000?

Benefits are extremely expensive and will only be going up unless there are drastic reversals in the current law.

[SCOUT]

But it's getting harder and harder to do that now because there are fewer choices. Oklahoma you only have about 5 or 6 choices? Some states you only have 1 or 2 choices.

This is why interstate insurance should be part of healthcare reform. It isn't a silver bullet, but it would help.

[GKeeper316]

Yep. The idea is to make private insurance so unattractive that people will choose the public option. If that doesn't work, it makes it financially stupid for a private employer to provide private insurance.

This bill is a stepping stone towards a single payer system. The same system that is largely contributing to the bankruptcy of an entire continent.

It should work here though :rolleyes:

what public option? this health care bill was a gift to the insurance companies.

[SCOUT]

what public option? this health care bill was a gift to the insurance companies.

Re-read my posts. It is step towards that.

You should go ahead and read the bill too. It is anything but a gift to the insurance companies. in fact, it is more of a death nell.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

have you priced those??

i'm just saying the current system needs to change anyway. if it didn't suck the government probably wouldn't be stepping in.The govt. stepping in is what has caused the problems in the industry, and has resulted in the current system...but, you know that.

[bigfatjerk]

what public option? this health care bill was a gift to the insurance companies.

After health care gets so high, someone from the government will say okay we tried to give it to insurance companies, but they made things too expensive. When it's really the government regulations that made things expensive. So they will say okay we are going to change medicare and medicaid to cover everything and if you want the cheaper version you take medicaid if you want the expensive version you take medicare.

[2121Sooner]

Re-read my posts. It is step towards that.

You should go ahead and read the bill too. It is anything but a gift to the insurance companies. in fact, it is more of a death nell.

Why should he have to do that when the majority of the people in the House or Senate never bothered to?

And on a side note.....

Va. Judge Strikes Down Key Part of Obama Health Care Law

In a stinging rebuke to the Obama administration, a federal judge on Monday invalidated a key provision of the recently passed health care law, saying that it "exceeds the constitutional boundaries of congressional power."

U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson said in a 42-page opinion that the so-called individual mandate provision, which requires all Americans to buy some form of health insurance, would "invite unbridled exercise of the federal police powers."

[SicEmBaylor]

Why should he have to do that when the majority of the people in the House or Senate never bothered to?


Because being an ignorant dolt sort of sucks?

[2121Sooner]

Because being an ignorant dolt sort of sucks?


I will take that as your commentary on the fine men and women in Washington D.C.

"We need to pass this bill so you can find out what's in it"


Yeah, your commentary is pretty spot on.

[soonercruiser]

It's obvious to all America how stupid, evil, and crazy Palin, and really all conservative women are. Good that this thread was posted, because it's time someone finally criticized Palin. It's a cryin' shame that a woman who is so stupid, evil and crazy continues to be in the limelight.

Dang!
You talking about Peeloski??

[soonercruiser]

I love that liberals are so for the option to have an abortion, but yet at the same time are against the death penalty.


There? Have we really opened up a can of worms for debate now?

:pop:

That's because hard LW liberals are such whimps that they can only attack a defenseless baby!
:rolleyes:

[soonercruiser]

it depends on the plan, and usually you only get whatever plan(s) your HR department has decided to let you have

there is nothing wonderful about the status quo

What picasso is talking about IS A GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE PLAN!
I am on one - TRICARE - as a military retiree.
I just got a referral to my past cardiologist denied today!
Huh! This is what you will have to look forward to with govment run healthcare....referral to the lowest bidder!

[soonercruiser]

But it's getting harder and harder to do that now because there are fewer choices. Oklahoma you only have about 5 or 6 choices? Some states you only have 1 or 2 choices.

Ah ha!
Cross state border competition!
One of those little things left out of the healthcare bill by Peeloski & Reid.
:mad:

[soonercruiser]

what public option? this health care bill was a gift to the insurance companies.

Did you by any chance notice...??
The big insurance companies, unions, and big drug companies were part of the secret meetings with Peeloski & Reid!!
So, now that the bill passed the drug companies are dropping low costs drug programs, the insurance premiums are juimping up....and NOTHING....NOTHING but silence from the Demoncrats and Obama!!!
I wonder why???
What was the deal in order to support the plan??

Perhaps it was like the deal with the AARP support - now the AAPRP can sell more Medicare supplement insurance plans!
:mad: