UConn lineman suspended after arrest on child porn charges

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UConn lineman suspended after arrest on child porn chargesPosted by John Taylor on December 8, 2010, 10:47 AM EST

Yesterday evening, UConn sent out a terse 26-word press release announcing that freshman offensive tackle Greg McKee had been suspended from the team indefinitely and the school would have no further comment on the matter.

Based on a story in today’s Hartford Courant, we can understand exactly why they would not want to address it publicly.

According to the paper, McKee has been charged with importing child pornography, obscenity and promoting a minor in an obscene performance. McKee turned himself in after becoming aware that a warrant for his arrest had been issued. Bail has been set at $75,000 and the lineman is set to be arraigned Wednesday.

State police said their computer crimes unit received information in September about possible possession and distribution of child pornography.

Detectives executed a search and seizure warrant in November at McKee’s dorm room at Rosebrooks Hall, state police said. Items of evidence were seized during that search and were examined, state police said.

Suffice to say, and based on the charges, it appears likely you won’t see the former three-star recruit in a Huskies uniform in the very near future. Or ever again, for that matter.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/08/uconn-lineman-suspended-after-arrest-on-child-porn-charges/related/

:eek:

[The]

Now before everyone jumps to conclusions here, this may well be his 17 year old high school girlfriend. He IS a Freshman.

Or he could just be a disgusting pederast.

[btb916]

Now before everyone jumps to conclusions here, this may well be his 17 year old high school girlfriend. He IS a Freshman.

Or he could just be a disgusting pederast.

He was "charged with importing child pornography, obscenity and promoting a minor in an obscene performance."

That sounds like a whole heck of a lot more than doodling his 17 year old girlfriend.

Anyone know if this guy was a starter?

[NormanPride]

Yeah, it's tough to gauge from the story, since everything under 18 is a "child". Let's hope it's just a HS girlfriend...

[KantoSooner]

Good to withhold judgment until one knows the facts. Still, it's not good news for the Huskies.

Along with the NYC college drug ring busted this morning, not a lot of good news coming off of campuses in the east today.


Once again: hard to overestimate the boneheadedness of 18-22 year old males.


I tremble to think of what my nephews are getting up to. Think I'll call 'em and tell them to stay indoors, with the doors locked and the shades drawn.

[MeMyself&Me]

Now before everyone jumps to conclusions here, this may well be his 17 year old high school girlfriend. He IS a Freshman.

This is my first thought.

[SanDiegoSoonerGal]

Why would he have to "import" pictures of his 17-year-old girlfriend?

[dwarthog]

He was "charged with importing child pornography, obscenity and promoting a minor in an obscene performance."

That sounds like a whole heck of a lot more than doodling his 17 year old girlfriend.

Anyone know if this guy was a starter?

Lawyer speak for throwing the book at him to get at least one charge to stick.....

Hopefully it is nothing more than his 17 year old girlfriend.

[The]

Why would he have to "import" pictures of his 17-year-old girlfriend?

Maybe she lives in Canada?

[SoonerinSouthlake]

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Connecticut-Huskies-Greg-McKee-arrested-child-porn-charges-120810

[mgsooner]

Or he could just be a disgusting pederast.

What's a pederast, Walter?

[The]

What's a pederast, Walter?

Shut the **** up, Donny.

[KantoSooner]

a pederast is the couture version of a pedophile. Think of a jesuit in his stylish frock vs. Ol' Billy who lives under the bridge.

[jdd12]

Why would he have to "import" pictures of his 17-year-old girlfriend?

How else would he get them off his camera (phone)? *ducks*

Seriously though...sounds like this guy is in some serious trouble.

[texaspokieokie]

He was "charged with importing child pornography, obscenity and promoting a minor in an obscene performance."

That sounds like a whole heck of a lot more than doodling his 17 year old girlfriend.

Anyone know if this guy was a starter?

the article said he is "redshirting".

don't believe child porn would include a 17 year old, unless she looks to be eoleven
JMHO

[Leroy Lizard]

According to the paper, McKee has been charged with importing child pornography, obscenity and promoting a minor in an obscene performance.

Translation: He coached his younger girlfriend into sending nude pics of herself. Most likely her parents found out and called the cops.

Just a hunch.

[The]

Translation: He coached his younger girlfriend into sending nude pics of herself. Most likely her parents found out and called the cops.

Just a hunch.

I was thinking more of a webcam. But yeah.

[budbarrybob]

Possible scenario:
A 17 yr old girl who's dad found out they were "seeing" each other. He's told her to stop dating him. She ignores it cause she loves him. He gets pissed and wants to get back at his daughter's disobedience. Reports the UCONN fb player to the authorities and demands action. Poor fella.

Otherwise, dudes a el duche and should spend a long time in jail.

:gary:

[texaspokieokie]

yep, seems reasonable.

[KantoSooner]

That would fit, but, unless Daddy is way important, the cops would not react with this much vigor. Smells like something more afoot. But we can't know, yet.

[85sooners]

:eek:

[badger]

In some states, there is an age of consent that covers older minors... and I don't think there would be a $75k bond out if this was a 17-year-old girlfriend. That implies consent and the charges do not imply consent.

[cvsooner]

He's a 299 lb. frosh. From looking at their website, http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2010-2011/indgbg.html#IGBG.PLY, he hasn't played all season so this is likely not a factor in their prep for us...a distraction, yes, but nothing more. They're going to be far more motivated over the cornerback who was shot dead a year ago.

He's from Chicago, IL. His official bio notes:

High School: Named First Team All-Public League from the Chicago Sun-Times on the defensive side....team finished second in conference in senior year...two-time all-conference pick...academically ranked 23rd in class of 218...National Honor Society member...plays the piano and cello...also a member of the wrestling team.

[badger]

According to Wikipedia:

Connecticut

The general age of consent in Connecticut is 16. This applies in most normal relationships.

However, if any of the following apply, then the age of consent becomes 18:

* Where one person is a guardian, or responsible for the general supervision, of the other. See C.G.S. § 53a-71(a)(4).
* Where one person is an athletic coach or an intensive instructor (e.g. piano teacher) outside of a school setting, and the other is being coached or instructed. See C.G.S. § 53a-71(9)(B).
* Where one person's professional, legal, occupational or volunteer status gives him/her a role of supervision, power, or authority, over the other's participation in a program or activity, and the older person is at least 20-years-old. See C.G.S. § 53a-71(a)(4).

Age of consent is irrelevant in the following; as even consensual adult sexual activity is criminalized in these relationships:

* Where one person is in custody or in a hospital, and the other has supervisory or disciplinary power. See C.G.S. § 53a-71(a)(5).
* Where the patient (or former patient) is emotionally dependent on the psychotherapist, or sexual intercourse occurs during a psychotherapy session. See C.G.S. § 53a-71(a)(6).
* Where one person is a school employee (of the board of education, by extension excluding post-secondary schools) and the other a student. See C.G.S. § 53a-71(a)(8).
* Where one person is an athletic coach or an intensive instructor (e.g. piano teacher) in a secondary (high school) setting and the other a student. See C.G.S. § 53a-71(9)(A).

Connecticut recognizes that minors who are at least 13 can consent to sexual activity if (and only if) there is less than a 3-year age difference. For example:

* A 13-year-old can consent to any 15-year-old.
* A 15-year-old can consent to any 17-year-old.
* A 15-year-old born on January 1 can consent to a 18-year-old born on February 1. This is just under a 3-year age difference.
* A 15-year-old born on February 1 cannot consent to an 18-year-old born on January 1. This is just over, and illegal.

However consensual, sexual intercourse within the 3-year age difference by a minor 13- through 17-years-old may, upon a complaint, lead the Connecticut Superior Court to a "family with service needs" finding. See C.G.S. § 46b-120(7)(E). Such a finding would allow the Court to issue orders as it finds necessary in dealing with the matter.

Consensual sexual intercourse over the 3-year age difference (where the minor is 13- to 15-years-old) would subject the older party to a charge of Sexual Assault, 2nd Degree, in violation of C.G.S. § 53a-71(a)(1). Any juvenile offender 14-years-old or older has the case automatically transferred to the regular criminal docket of the Superior Court by operation of law, and thus stands before the court to be tried as an adult. See C.G.S. § 46b-127(a). A guilty verdict would result in conviction of a Class B felony sex offense, with a mandatory minimum of 9 months and maximum 20 years imprisonment. It would not matter if the older person did not know of the age difference, or if the younger person lied about age. However, if the offender is 17-years-old or younger, has a clean record, and such sexual activity was consensual, Youthful Offender status (a pre-trial diversionary program that seals the court record and results in a dismissal of charges) may be granted. See C.G.S. § 54-76b to o.

Connecticut also recognizes that minors under 13 are released from criminal liability as to consensual sexual activity if (and only if) there is less than a 2-year age difference. For example:

* A 12-year-old can consent to any 13-year old.
* A 12-year-old cannot consent to any 14-year-old.

Consensual (between minors) sexual intercourse over the 2-year age difference (where the minor is under 13-years-old) would subject the older minor to a charge of Sexual Assault, 1st Degree, in violation of C.G.S. § 53a-70(a)(2). A guilty verdict would result in conviction of a Class A felony sex offense, with a mandatory minimum of 5–10 years and maximum 25 years imprisonment. Any juvenile offender 14-years-old or older has the case automatically transferred to the regular criminal docket of the Superior Court by operation of law, and thus stands before the court to be tried as an adult. However, the offender would have the same chance to apply for Youthful Offender status (see Sexual Assault, 2nd Degree above) provided the criteria are met.

A juvenile offender 13-years-old and younger would be charged as a "serious juvenile offender" under C.G.S. § 46b-120(12)(A). Because the charge is a sex offense, the juvenile prosecutor can request that the proceeding designated a "serious sexual offender prosecution". See C.G.S. § 46b-133d(b)-(f). Unless the juvenile waives the right to a trial by jury, the case proceeds to the regular criminal docket of the Superior Court, where the juvenile must face trial as an adult. If the juvenile agrees to the waiver, the case will proceed through the juvenile system with a bench trial.

[texaspokieokie]

75k seems kinda low.

[badger]

They're going to be far more motivated over the cornerback who was shot dead a year ago.

I would agree with you under most circumstances, but do you remember how long it took for them to get their "win for him" win? They had that jersey on that sideline for quite a few games before they could actually send the victory jersey to the grieving family's parents... I think it was against Notre Dame... and I think that was the loss that fired Charlie Weis.

[SanDiegoSoonerGal]

I'm sorry, but some of you seem to be bending over backwards to come up with a scenario in which this guy didn't do anything more than most teenage guys do with their girlfriends. And it's creeping me out.



Lt. J. Paul Vance, a state police spokesman, said the state's computer crime's unit received information that led the seizure of some computer equipment from McKee's dorm room last month.

"We're part of a national network, if you will," Vance said. "The information was credible, so we initiated a criminal investigation, identified a target and executed a search warrent."

No national network is going to bother with some guy having sex with his 17-year-old girlfriend.

Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/news/story?id=5898738&campaign=rss&source=NCFHeadlines

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

Why would he have to "import" pictures of his 17-year-old girlfriend?

she emailed them to him, and he had to "import" them to his picture folder on his computer...

[SanDiegoSoonerGal]

This too makes the 17-year-old girlfriend scenario highly unlikely:




Vance said no other members of the football team are believed to be involved. But he said the investigation was ongoing and more arrests are possible.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/08/AR2010120802665.html

[The]

In some states, there is an age of consent that covers older minors... and I don't think there would be a $75k bond out if this was a 17-year-old girlfriend. That implies consent and the charges do not imply consent.
What if she's white?


This too makes the 17-year-old girlfriend scenario highly unlikely:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/08/AR2010120802665.html

What if he emailed the pics to his buddies?

[badger]

What if she's white?

Come ON, man... what an awful thing to say :(

[btb916]

I'm sorry, but some of you seem to be bending over backwards to come up with a scenario in which this guy didn't do anything more than most teenage guys do with their girlfriends. And it's creeping me out.




No national network is going to bother with some guy having sex with his 17-year-old girlfriend.

Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/news/story?id=5898738&campaign=rss&source=NCFHeadlines

I'm with you. Everything coming out sure makes it sound a lot worse than him and his GF having some naughty pictures or videos. Could be wrong, of course, but sure doesn't look good for him.

[Leroy Lizard]

Poor fella.

You mean, the dad? Yeah, I agree.

[OUMallen]

He was "charged with importing child pornography, obscenity and promoting a minor in an obscene performance."

That sounds like a whole heck of a lot more than doodling his 17 year old girlfriend.

Anyone know if this guy was a starter?

Dude, those may sound like big words, but that could be getting sexts from out of state.

[Sooner_Tuf]

If the age of consent is 16 the girl must be younger than that. When it comes to children it is better to err on the side of safety. Pedophile, just don't tell the other inmates why he is locked up. If they find out he will find what pedarest means.

BTH out of the Pedophiles!

[olevetonahill]

Before Yall take him out and shoot him , Why dont ya wait till hes convicted?:rolleyes:

[Leroy Lizard]

Remember this dude?

www.gainesville.com/article/20100917/articles/100919504

[cvsooner]

I would agree with you under most circumstances, but do you remember how long it took for them to get their "win for him" win?

Well, that was my point. They're not going to be motivated over a redshirt frosh who got kicked off the team over this situation, regardless of what the actual circumstances turn out to be. "Win one for the pervert" or "Free the Chicago tackle" just won't cut it.

[SanDiegoSoonerGal]

Before Yall take him out and shoot him , Why dont ya wait till hes convicted?:rolleyes:

Before y'all lobby the Innocence Project because yer sure all this guy did was sext with his 17-year-old girlfriend, why don't ya wait till you find out more about the evidence?

Works both ways.

[tommieharris91]

The more I think about this, the more I think he was filming himself putting his penis in a middle schooler.

[olevetonahill]

Before y'all lobby the Innocence Project because yer sure all this guy did was sext with his 17-year-old girlfriend, why don't ya wait till you find out more about the evidence?

Works both ways.

Pretty much what Im sayin.
Theres not enough showing yet for ANYONE to make a call either way .

[SoonerMarkVA]

Before y'all lobby the Innocence Project because yer sure all this guy did was sext with his 17-year-old girlfriend, why don't ya wait till you find out more about the evidence?

Works both ways.

It really doesn't work both ways without violating presumed innocence.

There are obvious examples one can provide showing this would be really bad. Pointing out that there are also some that are pretty understandable is hardly lobbying for his innocence, which should be presumed anyway. There's plenty of time to run him down if he's convicted.

[opksooner]

Before Yall take him out and shoot him , Why dont ya wait till hes convicted?:rolleyes:

That's not the internet way, olevet.

[Wishboned]

In some states, there is an age of consent that covers older minors... and I don't think there would be a $75k bond out if this was a 17-year-old girlfriend. That implies consent and the charges do not imply consent.

I believe that only applies to consensual sex, and not what would be considered child pornography.

http://www.sexlaws.org/answer_board_question-child_pornography

[MeMyself&Me]

From the Courant
"State police said they found videos on McKee's computer of children ranging in age from 8 to 15 engaging in sexual activity, and that there was evidence that he had transmitted the videos to others on the Internet."

:eek:

[The]

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-football/hc-uconn-student-child-porn-1209-20101208,0,5725 (http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-football/hc-uconn-student-child-porn-1209-20101208,0,5725524.story)

OK, he's a pervert.

[SanDiegoSoonerGal]

I hate to say I told you so (that a national computer crimes network wouldn't bother about pictures of a 17-year-old girlfriend), but...

wait, no I don't. :D

[btb916]

Dude, those may sound like big words, but that could be getting sexts from out of state.

Dude, obviously they are some pretty big words, because you didn't grasp their import.

[The]

I hate to say I told you so (that a national computer crimes network wouldn't bother about pictures of a 17-year-old girlfriend), but...

wait, no I don't. :D

Yeah, they do.

I ain't googlin' kiddie pron at work, but there are HUNDREDS of instances across the country of kids and near kids getting ruined because of naked pics.

[TXBOOMER]

I know of a dude that was 18 and is now on the sex predator list for getting jiggy with his 16 year old girlfriend that he had been dating for 2 years. You really need to be careful with that stuff. Of course this could have been a 12 year old who knows.

[btb916]

Pretty much what Im sayin.
Theres not enough showing yet for ANYONE to make a call either way .

Well, I'm not really concerned with whether he is or isn't guilty. I hope he's not. But there's some pretty strong evidence against him, from the looks of it. I just thought it sounded a lot more serious than having "relations" with his young girlfriend or getting naked texts from her.

Sucks for the UCONN team. Glad for them that it isn't an important player.

[AlboSooner]

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-football/hc-uconn-student-child-porn-1209-20101208,0,5725 (http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-football/hc-uconn-student-child-porn-1209-20101208,0,5725524.story)

OK, he's a pervert.

Sad sad deal. Child pornographers should get the death penalty.

[dwarthog]

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-football/hc-uconn-student-child-porn-1209-20101208,0,5725 (http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-football/hc-uconn-student-child-porn-1209-20101208,0,5725524.story)

OK, he's a pervert.

Oh man...

Big time perv.....

The dude is toast.

[sooner59]

And all Granger did was steal a coat. Coulda been worse.

[IamJacksScreenName]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b370/Confusobot/BigLebowski-8YearOldsDude.jpg

let him burn.

[soonerinkaty]

Good to withhold judgment until one knows the facts. Still, it's not good news for the Huskies.

Along with the NYC college drug ring busted this morning, not a lot of good news coming off of campuses in the east today.


Once again: hard to overestimate the boneheadedness of 18-22 year old males.


I tremble to think of what my nephews are getting up to. Think I'll call 'em and tell them to stay indoors, with the doors locked and the shades drawn.

Ouch, that stings.

[cccasooner2]

I would agree with you under most circumstances, but do you remember how long it took for them to get their "win for him" win? They had that jersey on that sideline for quite a few games before they could actually send the victory jersey to the grieving family's parents... I think it was against Notre Dame... and I think that was the loss that fired Charlie Weis.

Heartless b***ards. :D

[adoniijahsooner]

So we pretty much have tried, convicted, and sentenced him without his due process. Like the great Don King says, "Only in america!"

[The]

So we pretty much have tried, convicted, and sentenced him without his due process. Like the great Don King says, "Only in america!"

He pretty much admitted it. I think it's safe to crucify the little pervert now.

[adoniijahsooner]

He pretty much admitted it. I think it's safe to crucify the little pervert now.

You are right. I didnt read the new info until now. Man, someone needs to take a blow torch to him and singed a pound of flesh.

[cccasooner2]

He pretty much admitted it. I think it's safe to crucify the little pervert now.

Well, the admission may be challenged. Also, the authorities may be more interested in who was supplying him with the pictures. Gotta let the whole thing play out.

[soonerinkaty]

I would suggest a lynch mob, but that would make me racist.

Anyways, let's lynch the mother ****er! In a non-racist way!

[StatGeek]

Well, the admission may be challenged. Also, the authorities may be more interested in who was supplying him with the pictures. Gotta let the whole thing play out.

Why do we have to do anything? We are not a part of his legal process. Feel free to reserve judgement if you like, but this is not a court room.

[Soonerjeepman]

Why would he have to "import" pictures of his 17-year-old girlfriend?

computer...phone...maybe she took pics and sent them to him....

to be honest I'm going to assume it's his HS girlfriend...UNTIL proven otherwise..which if it is HIS HS girlfriend...really all this for that? tell the parents and let them deal with it...

a LOT MORE horrible things with real psychos doing on...

[Soonerjeepman]

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-football/hc-uconn-student-child-porn-1209-20101208,0,5725 (http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-football/hc-uconn-student-child-porn-1209-20101208,0,5725524.story)

OK, he's a pervert.

ok...stand corrected...wow..ugh...

[boomermagic]

Police say the children in the pornography appear to be between 8 and 15 years old.

[SanDiegoSoonerGal]

I just do not get why a number of people here immediately proposed and/or agreed with the theory that the pron most likely involved an underage girlfriend and therefore was probably not that big of a deal, when there were absolutely no reported facts upon which to base that conclusion.

I totally understand and support the concept of innocent until proven guilty, but what I saw here was the opposite: instead of neutrality and waiting for the evidence to come out, immediate posting of exonerating theories involving a girlfriend of the age of consent, made up out of whole cloth rather than based on anything reported in the media.

[Penguin]

Good thing for him that he's a big guy. Prisoners aren't exactly known for their hospitality for pedos.

[soonerbub]

The 75 large bail should have let people know that this was no way no how just a "girlfriend"

If he thought football practice was tough try gen pop with this conviction. Sicko

[FirstandGoal]

I just do not get why a number of people here immediately proposed and/or agreed with the theory that the pron most likely involved an underage girlfriend and therefore was probably not that big of a deal, when there were absolutely no reported facts upon which to base that conclusion.

I totally understand and support the concept of innocent until proven guilty, but what I saw here was the opposite: instead of neutrality and waiting for the evidence to come out, immediate posting of exonerating theories involving a girlfriend of the age of consent, made up out of whole cloth rather than based on anything reported in the media.


I think a big part of it is that no matter what team this guy played on, its a blow to the human race that these kinds of things happen.

Most of us (myself included in this) really don't want to believe something so vile and ugly so we imagine a lesser horrible scenario because no matter how much we joke and tease, we really aren't pervs.

Good Lord...... 8 year old kids! That seriously makes me wanna cry.

[btb916]

I think a big part of it is that no matter what team this guy played on, its a blow to the human race that these kinds of things happen.

Most of us (myself included in this) really don't want to believe something so vile and ugly so we imagine a lesser horrible scenario because no matter how much we joke and tease, we really aren't pervs.

Good Lord...... 8 year old kids! That seriously makes me wanna cry.

I think another part is we aren't real used to 18 year olds being convicted for this kind of crime. It's not something that is very common on any news sites I read, at least.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

McKee told police he was supposed to be paid by a man named ''Feinmann'' for uploading several videos of child pornography to a social network platform, but he could not contact the man after he uploaded the videos, according to the affidavit. The affidavit didn't say who ''Feinmann'' was or whether authorities believe he exists.
McKee also admitted that he had downloaded child pornography from the Internet using links obtained from people he contacted using his MSN messenger account, and that he may have received child pornography using another e-mail address, the affidavit said. He told police he had about 20 videos and 20 images of child porn on his laptop.
Police say the children in the pornography appear to be between 8 and 15 years old.


This would not appear to be a girlfriend.

[SanDiegoSoonerGal]

Through my most recent job assignment I have learned, unwillingly, more than I ever wanted to know about children who are victims of sexual assault. Not necessarily pornography. And I never realized the volume of such cases until I took this job, and believe me, it would first shock you and then break your heart. At least that was my reaction.

And I am here to tell you, when it comes to child sexual abuse, 18-year-olds do it, 36-year-olds do it, 64-year-olds do it, and that 12- or 14-year-old honor student babysitter you hire who lives across the street, whom you think you know because you and his parents are long-time friends so you once changed his diapers? He might do it, too.

I say "he" because most of the perps are male.

I just think that unless you have a close-up view of this stuff, as I do, you have no idea how tragically widespread it is, any more than I did before this job assignment.

So don't dismiss anyone as a suspect in a case like this because of their age.

And above all be careful whom you entrust your children's care to.

[Leroy Lizard]

I just do not get why a number of people here immediately proposed and/or agreed with the theory that the pron most likely involved an underage girlfriend and therefore was probably not that big of a deal, when there were absolutely no reported facts upon which to base that conclusion.

People here offered it as a possibility. I think it is good idea to look at all possibilities until more evidence is forthcoming.

[Okie35]

disgusting and sick

[olevetonahill]

Police say the children in the pornography appear to be between 8 and 15 years old.

Yea that aint HS Girlfriend stuff.

Just hope the PoPo aint talkin to dayum much.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Through my most recent job assignment I have learned, unwillingly, more than I ever wanted to know about children who are victims of sexual assault. Not necessarily pornography. And I never realized the volume of such cases until I took this job, and believe me, it would first shock you and then break your heart. At least that was my reaction.

And I am here to tell you, when it comes to child sexual abuse, 18-year-olds do it, 36-year-olds do it, 64-year-olds do it, and that 12- or 14-year-old honor student babysitter you hire who lives across the street, whom you think you know because you and his parents are long-time friends so you once changed his diapers? He might do it, too.

I say "he" because most of the perps are male.

I just think that unless you have a close-up view of this stuff, as I do, you have no idea how tragically widespread it is, any more than I did before this job assignment.

So don't dismiss anyone as a suspect in a case like this because of their age.

And above all be careful whom you entrust your children's care to.

Perhaps you can enlighten me without much detail based on your experience... What is it that people like about this? I cannot ever imagine that little children, children/teenagers can (as an adult) arouse anyone in a sexual way? It is so foreign to me, I have no imagination. What is the attraction?

[Leroy Lizard]

Perhaps you can enlighten me without much detail based on your experience... What is it that people like about this? I cannot ever imagine that little children, children/teenagers can (as an adult) arouse anyone in a sexual way? It is so foreign to me, I have no imagination. What is the attraction?

Served on a jury in a child pornography case and heard a lot of testimony (and saw some photos I wished I hadn't). The fact that child porn was taboo is what drove the defendant to view child porn. According to the psychologists on the stand, the defendant had no sexual interest in children in real life, he just got off on viewing the photos because he knew that it was so wrong to view them. (This is why so many ministers get busted for this sort of thing, I imagine.) With time, he got desensitized more and more and so needed "sicker" photos to maintain his interest.

In a sense, he was somewhat like a kleptomaniac, who has no real interest in the loot but likes the thrill of not getting caught.

I think some are also driven by the "innocence lost" angle, which is actually pretty common (think: Mary Ann of Gilligan's Island) but taken to an extreme in child porn. So instead of getting off because they know they, themselves, are doing something wrong, they get off because they know the children in the photos are doing something wrong. Some get off on the fact that the children may have been forced to do this sort of thing; others get off on thinking that the children did it willingly and were therefore not as innocent as they appeared.

It could also be a form of self-punishment to those who have very low self-esteem.

Then there are people like Albert Fish who are just pure evil. (And you don't want to read his bio if you have a weak stomach.)

People are strange.

[MamaMia]

After reading what it said in the first article, I didn't have any problem in people giving him the benefit of the doubt. Without knowing all the facts at that time, suggesting that it could be a consensual girlfriend thing, but knowing that it could instead be a horrible act on his part is understandable.

[KantoSooner]

Leroy, tying Mary Ann of Gilligan's Island to this story line is borderline sacrilege. For the love of God, man, you're talking MARY ANN! Is nothing sacred?

[jkjsooner]

I just do not get why a number of people here immediately proposed and/or agreed with the theory that the pron most likely involved an underage girlfriend and therefore was probably not that big of a deal, when there were absolutely no reported facts upon which to base that conclusion.

I totally understand and support the concept of innocent until proven guilty, but what I saw here was the opposite:

I see no problem with bystanders assuming the best case scenario until more information comes out. By the way, nobody said they knew this was the case. It was just a reaction to those who immediately assumed the worst.

And when DA's go after guys who have a 17 year old girlfriend like they're equivalent to a pedophile who targets 12 year old girls then these questions are justified.

From a guy's point of view this is something we always considered when we were 18/19. I know I had a 17 year old girlfriend when I was 19 and I was scared as hell to touch her. She didn't understand it but I wasn't about to put myself if that position.

Maybe it doesn't happen all of the time but we do hear cases where the DA abuses his power. Look at the Genarlo Wilson case. He was a minor himself. As long as the judicial system abuses its powers as it did in this case these questions are always relevant.

The judicial system needs to realize that we need to take pedophilia seriously. One part of doing that is to not water down the offense by prosecuting people who are in no way pedophiles.

This is the same as drunk driving convictions. In DC they just have to show that you are impaired. There was a story of a guy who had a single drink 3 hours earlier and as he left a parking garage he forgot to turn on his lights. He was stopped and the cop asked if he'd had a drink. He said yes. They did a breathalizer and he blew .00%. He was still arrested and convicted because the police assumed he was intoxicated due to the fact that he didn't turn his lights on. It's the same here. If you treat this guy the same as the guy who is legitimately driving intoxicated you make a mockery of everything M.A.D.D. stands for.

[OU Adonis]

The legal age of consent in oklahoma is 16, but I would guess (I don't know) that making movies of it would be child porn.

[dwarthog]

Why do we have to do anything? We are not a part of his legal process. Feel free to reserve judgement if you like, but this is not a court room.

Spoil sport....

[Penguin]

Served on a jury in a child pornography case and heard a lot of testimony (and saw some photos I wished I hadn't).


You were on a jury for this stuff? Wow. I would think that a defendant in this type of case would want a bench trial. A jury full of people off the street would want to hang him after the first 30 seconds of the trial (the reactions in this thread, for example).

[AlboSooner]

One of the most difficult things for this generation of young men is that they have experienced so much of the illicit and the perverted, that it is becoming increasingly difficult for them to love the genuine, having so distorted and emptied love of its real meaning in relationship. ~ Ravi Zacharias

[The]

One of the most difficult things for this generation of young men is that they have experienced so much of the illicit and the perverted, that it is becoming increasingly difficult for them to love the genuine, having so distorted and emptied love of its real meaning in relationship. ~ Ravi Zacharias

I blame 4chan.

[adoniijahsooner]

One of the most difficult things for this generation of young men is that they have experienced so much of the illicit and the perverted, that it is becoming increasingly difficult for them to love the genuine, having so distorted and emptied love of its real meaning in relationship. ~ Ravi Zacharias

Love Ravi Zacharias! I talk to my son about this as well. I listened to radio station one day and guys were calling in bragging about the number of sex partners they had, and then I thought about the people i had slept with before marriage and I was ashamed because of some of the memories that came with it. I do not see how we can ever get back to normal morality, when everything is permissible.

[RedstickSooner]

I see no problem with bystanders assuming the best case scenario until more information comes out. By the way, nobody said they knew this was the case. It was just a reaction to those who immediately assumed the worst.

And when DA's go after guys who have a 17 year old girlfriend like they're equivalent to a pedophile who targets 12 year old girls then these questions are justified.

From a guy's point of view this is something we always considered when we were 18/19. I know I had a 17 year old girlfriend when I was 19 and I was scared as hell to touch her. She didn't understand it but I wasn't about to put myself if that position.

Maybe it doesn't happen all of the time but we do hear cases where the DA abuses his power. Look at the Genarlo Wilson case. He was a minor himself. As long as the judicial system abuses its powers as it did in this case these questions are always relevant.

The judicial system needs to realize that we need to take pedophilia seriously. One part of doing that is to not water down the offense by prosecuting people who are in no way pedophiles.

This is the same as drunk driving convictions. In DC they just have to show that you are impaired. There was a story of a guy who had a single drink 3 hours earlier and as he left a parking garage he forgot to turn on his lights. He was stopped and the cop asked if he'd had a drink. He said yes. They did a breathalizer and he blew .00%. He was still arrested and convicted because the police assumed he was intoxicated due to the fact that he didn't turn his lights on. It's the same here. If you treat this guy the same as the guy who is legitimately driving intoxicated you make a mockery of everything M.A.D.D. stands for.

Yeah... 'Cept the evidence is already out. Police in the case said he uploaded videos. Girls in the videos appeared to be between the ages of 8 and 15.

Soooo... He should burn.

Linkee: http://middletownpress.com/articles/2010/12/09/sports/doc4d00789886c6b111265857.txt?viewmode=2

[PalmBeachSooner]

Maybe she lives in Canada?

With the exchange rate that makes her about 13.

[FlippMoke]

Anyone willing to bet /b/ was involved in this incident somehow?

If you don't know what /b/ actually is, you probably don't want to know.

[Leroy Lizard]

Is there a rapper named Slash B Slash out there?

[KantoSooner]

Love Ravi Zacharias! I talk to my son about this as well. I listened to radio station one day and guys were calling in bragging about the number of sex partners they had, and then I thought about the people i had slept with before marriage and I was ashamed because of some of the memories that came with it. I do not see how we can ever get back to normal morality, when everything is permissible.

Sexual practices, including deviant and violent ones, have not changed much in type or frequency for at least the last 2,500 years. (According to research from the Roman Empire, and China).
While sexual freedom has, indeed, increased in Western Europe and North America in the past several generations, you have to take that with a grain of salt. First, Post-Reformation Europe (and its outgrowth in North America) were particularly sexually repressed societies; repressed, but only imperfectly controlled. Sexual sado-masochism fairly drips from the bulk of Puritan writings, for example. Second, the actualization of these fantasies was far from rare, as the treatment of 'witches' and the abundance of religious cults with forthright sexual subjection of women, children and subordinate men testify. (See traditional Mormon practices for one example).
Unfortunately, the fascination of a, thankfully small, sub-set of humanity with premature sexuality has forever been with us and seems untied to either time or place or culture.
'Normal morality' is more involved with empathy and seeing oneself as both actor and object, the old 'Golden Rule', rather than with any larger set of norms. Unfortunately, a subset of humanity simply don't 'get it'. So lock your doors at night, keep your children in as much safety as you can and don't let it overly burden your life. There is evil afoot in the world now and forever, but, blessedly, it is far outnumbered by good.

[cccasooner2]

Served on a jury in a child pornography case .....

What was the result after listening to all of the evidence followed by the excuses/explanations?

[Sooner_Tuf]

What was the result after listening to all of the evidence followed by the excuses/explanations?

Boy oh boy I'm not going to speculate on this. I would get banned for sure :D

[Leroy Lizard]

What was the result after listening to all of the evidence followed by the excuses/explanations?

Convicted of possession, acquitted on trafficking.

[Leroy Lizard]

Sexual practices, including deviant and violent ones, have not changed much in type or frequency for at least the last 2,500 years.

How are we defining "deviant"? At one time, having sex naked or showering together was considered deviant.

[Penguin]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wN2SGspzt0w/SsDyssb86nI/AAAAAAAAAjo/UDrrC7fBQkQ/s400/Cheer-pom-poms-web.jpg


I guess this explains the UConn cheerleaders.

[Sooner_Tuf]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wN2SGspzt0w/SsDyssb86nI/AAAAAAAAAjo/UDrrC7fBQkQ/s400/Cheer-pom-poms-web.jpg


I guess this explains the UConn cheerleaders.

LoL!

[KantoSooner]

How are we defining "deviant"? At one time, having sex naked or showering together was considered deviant.

You make an excellent point. I think you could use almost any definition and arrive at the same place. The point is that human behaviour has not changed much for a long, long time....and that that includes sex that most today would consider 'kinky' or 'abnormal'. We moderns have invented almost nothing in that regard.