Even if #1 or #2 lose today

[Okla-homey]

I still don't think TCU deserves a shot in the MNC game.

However, if they both lose, let the purple toads in.

what say you?

[OU-HSV]

I'll take a quick crack at making/or starting to make a case for TCU.
I think they deserve a shot. Look at their record. Look at what they did against the "tougher" teams that were on their schedule. They play great defense. I know they of course have their fair share of soft teams that they played. But still, they held multiple teams to low or no points. Which a lot of average to above average BCS conference teams who play weaker opponents can't even say.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/2628/tcu-horned-frogs


-They've played consistently good defense all season, which is something a lot of teams like Auburn and Oregon can't claim
-They held Air Force to 7 points (as you recall we let AF put up 24 pts IN NORMAN)
-They held Baylor to 10 (who we know has some offensive talent nowadays), in fact I'm looking at it and from what I see that was Baylor's season low of points scored.
(without looking too much in depth I'd venture to say they may have held multiple teams to their season low points)
-They held 10-2 #20 Utah (#5 at that time) to 7 points AT Utah. Which is something only one other team on Utah's schedule was able to do.
-They beat SMU who is playing for the C-USA Championship game today. (I understand the C-USA is no worldbeater conference, but it still shows that SMU is a decent team)

Their offense has put the points up as well. I haven't personally watched them play more than maybe 2 or 3 games, but considering what I saw and by looking at their record/scores of their games...I say why wouldn't they deserve a shot.

That said, don't get me wrong, the one loss Stanford team would have a case at that point too. I mean Stanford has a point as well, they can say "hey we only lost to Oregon".
Futhermore, the one loss Wisonsin team has a good resume.

[yermom]

i would not be surprised at all if there is one loss and the Badgers(or another Big 10 school) jump them and Stanford

[Iam4OUru]

I still don't think TCU deserves a shot in the MNC game.

However, if they both lose, let the purple toads in.

what say you?

I think that TCU deserves a shot, but, not over Stanford or Wisconsin. Don't be surprised if Auburn still goes even if they lose today.

[tcrb]

Personally, I don't think they deserve a shot. But on the other hand, all of the talking heads and poll voters have had them ranked at #3 or 4 all year. If they've been deserving of that ranking for the past 12 weeks, why are they suddenly not deserving of the same treatment any other #3 team would receive if they were in the same position? TCU is undefeated. Everyone below them has at least 1 loss. I say let 'em play and then we'll know once and for all.

[OU-HSV]

Personally, I don't think they deserve a shot. But on the other hand, all of the talking heads and poll voters have had them ranked at #3 or 4 all year. If they've been deserving of that ranking for the past 12 weeks, why are they suddenly not deserving of the same treatment any other #3 team would receive if they were in the same position? TCU is undefeated. Everyone below them has at least 1 loss. I say let 'em play and then we'll know once and for all this particular season.
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[bigfatjerk]

I think they might be the best team right now. They probably have a stronger schedule than Oregon. The PAC 10 is awful. Stanford is good nobody else in that conference is any good. And TCU has blown out everyone.

[Dwight]

If #1 or #2 lose, I think that Wisconsin, Stanford, then TCU deserve it in that order.

[RedstickSooner]

I think they don't *deserve* a shot, but I hope we give it to them so they can get beat like a rented mule, and we quit hearing this whiny crap from teams with garbage competition every damned year.

It doesn't do any good when great teams like ours get disappointed in their bowl selection, play one of these crap teams, and lay an egg because they're not up for the game (while the crap teams think they just won the lottery, got a blowjob from a porn star, and are playing in the superbowl all at the same time).

[AlboSooner]

TCU has played it by the system. I think they deserve to get in. Texas beat one good team in 2005, and they were allowed to play for the NC

[Sonner magic923]

I say give em a shot at it. They have destroyed everybody on there schedule. The only one that was close was week 1 against Oregon state. They beat #5 (at the time) on the road 45-7.

[Dwight]

I say give em a shot at it. They have destroyed everybody on there schedule. The only one that was close was week 1 against Oregon state. They beat #5 (at the time) on the road 45-7.

OK, technically they did beat #5 Utah, but Utah sucks and was only ranked that high because they were undefeated in their cupcake schedule

[Soonerfan88]

Personally, I don't think they deserve a shot. But on the other hand, all of the talking heads and poll voters have had them ranked at #3 or 4 all year. If they've been deserving of that ranking for the past 12 weeks, why are they suddenly not deserving of the same treatment any other #3 team would receive if they were in the same position? TCU is undefeated. Everyone below them has at least 1 loss. I say let 'em play and then we'll know once and for all.

Although I do think they deserve the shot, excellent post. If pollsters didn't think they (and Boise) were #3 all year then they shouldn't have put them there. Moving them down now that TCU actually could get in the championship game is chickensh!t.

[Okie35]

Auburn will still play for the MNC if they lost today. If Oregon loses to an unranked Oregon State then yea I think TCU should go. TCU has beat as many ranked teams as Oregon.

[SoonerinSouthlake]

I think that TCU deserves a shot, but, not over Stanford or Wisconsin. Don't be surprised if Auburn still goes even if they lose today.
Id like to agree with you because I think BCS folk will do whatever they can to make sure a non-bcs school doesnt get in. But the fact that TCU will be joining the Big East may make it easier for anyone who hates the though of non-bcs in the game. They may feel like revisionist history, 10 years from now will show a Big East team in the game. Just a theory

[achiro]

I think that TCU deserves a shot, but, not over Stanford or Wisconsin. Don't be surprised if Auburn still goes even if they lose today.

TCU would beat Stanford or Wisconsin all day long. You may be right about Auburn going even with a loss but based on what we are looking at going into todays schedule(outside of both the ducks and auburn losing) I would love to see Oregon and TCU go and TCU to shut down that duck offense to win the NC.
BTW, I am not a TCU fan, just HATE Oregon and the SEC, just don't know which I hate more.

[agoo758]

With also this talk about everyone wanting an underdog in the MNC, why not Standford? They are an underdog with a legitimate schedule.

[Salt City Sooner]

I'll take a quick crack at making/or starting to make a case for TCU.
I think they deserve a shot. Look at their record. Look at what they did against the "tougher" teams that were on their schedule. They play great defense. I know they of course have their fair share of soft teams that they played. But still, they held multiple teams to low or no points. Which a lot of average to above average BCS conference teams who play weaker opponents can't even say.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/2628/tcu-horned-frogs


-They've played consistently good defense all season, which is something a lot of teams like Auburn and Oregon can't claim
-They held Air Force to 7 points (as you recall we let AF put up 24 pts IN NORMAN)
-They held Baylor to 10 (who we know has some offensive talent nowadays), in fact I'm looking at it and from what I see that was Baylor's season low of points scored.
(without looking too much in depth I'd venture to say they may have held multiple teams to their season low points)
-They held 10-2 #20 Utah (#5 at that time) to 7 points AT Utah. Which is something only one other team on Utah's schedule was able to do.
-They beat SMU who is playing for the C-USA Championship game today. (I understand the C-USA is no worldbeater conference, but it still shows that SMU is a decent team)

Their offense has put the points up as well. I haven't personally watched them play more than maybe 2 or 3 games, but considering what I saw and by looking at their record/scores of their games...I say why wouldn't they deserve a shot.

That said, don't get me wrong, the one loss Stanford team would have a case at that point too. I mean Stanford has a point as well, they can say "hey we only lost to Oregon".
Futhermore, the one loss Wisonsin team has a good resume.
I'm not getting the Stanford love at all (& I don't mean just on this board), because the "we've only lost to Oregon" statement is the ONLY thing they can say. They have not beaten a single team who is currently ranked in either the AP or the coaches poll, & the only team they've beaten who is ranked in the current BCS poll (Arizona) will almost certainly drop out next week due to the home loss to ASU.

The arguement against TCU when it comes to going to the title game vs. a one loss team hopping over them into said game is always about their schedule. There's a very legit stance that they've got better skins on their wall than do the Cardinal, but yet you never hear about it.

[kelloggOUballa]

Stanford, legitimate schedule? Really? http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/24/stanford-cardinal. Two ranked teams, one a blowout loss, and mighty Sacramento State.

[WA. Sooner]

tcu should get a shot if 1 or 2 looses

[allanace16]

I'm not getting the Stanford love at all (& I don't mean just on this board), because the "we've only lost to Oregon" statement is the ONLY thing they can say. They have not beaten a single team who is currently ranked in either the AP or the coaches poll, & the only team they've beaten who is ranked in the current BCS poll (Arizona) will almost certainly drop out next week due to the home loss to ASU.

The arguement against TCU when it comes to going to the title game vs. a one loss team hopping over them into said game is always about their schedule. There's a very legit stance that they've got better skins on their wall than do the Cardinal, but yet you never hear about it.

Yeah, all kinds of THIS. As much as I love the job Harbaugh's done with that program, they have no signature victory, and somehow have parlayed a 20 point loss into being considered one of the nation's best. The Pac 10 is REAL questionable right about now. And I still think the best Big 10 team is Michigan State. It's a crime they aren't going to the Rose Bowl because I think in a full round robin, they'd have handled Ohio State easily to break that 3-way tie.

AS it is though, if either #1 or #2 goes down, let TCU in. They've proven as much as any top team has at this point except for Auburn.

[OU-HSV]

Well I guess this whole discussion can now be thrown in a toilet and flushed to turdville.

[Sooner95]

Yea, NCG is set...