Kevin Wilson to Indiana

[bigfatjerk]

Per Jim Donnan. Does this mean Josh Heupel is our OC?

[IndySooner]

Maybe Mangino?

[madillsoonerfan5353]

LINK?


:gary:

[madillsoonerfan5353]

Per Jim Donnan. Does this mean Josh Heupel is our OC?

Norvell?

Gundy?

[Mad Dog Madsen]

Let's hire Greg Davis! :rolleyes:

[jdd12]

Now? Tell 'em to wait a month. :mad:

And yeah, link, please.

[bigfatjerk]

It's all over social network sites. I can't find an article yet.

http://twitter.com/kingcfb/status/10767621972566016

[Cornfed]

Let's hire Greg Davis! :rolleyes:

I actually threw up in my mouth on that one...lol

[soonerbub]

http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/its_a_trap.jpg

Donnan just wants his old job back ;)
back to the bone!!

[colleyvillesooner]

Norvell?

Gundy?

Norvell was rumored to be a candidate for the Ball State job.

[batonrougesooner]

I wonder how Heupel as OC would go down with Cale Gundy? That could be a sticky situation.

[Fraggle145]

I thought I had heard that Gundy didnt want to be coordinator?

[Fraggle145]

But Indiana? Seriously? :confused:

[I Am Right]

I wonder how Heupel as OC would go down with Cale Gundy? That could be a sticky situation.

why?

[Mad Dog Madsen]

I thought I had heard that Gundy didnt want to be coordinator?

Prolly becuase he reads SoonerFans.com... :D

[bmjlr]

He better be focused on tomorrow and nothing else. After that whatever. Yes, I am selfish!

[royalfan5]

But Indiana? Seriously? :confused:

All the cool kids want to be part of the Big X.

[boomermagic]

No link ?

[Widescreen]

All the cool kids want to be part of the Big X.
I'm not sure Indiana U actually counts as Big 10. Isn't their football team intramural based?

[usaosooner]

"OC I would want ( in no particular order) if Wilson should happen to leave

Mark Mangino:Everyone is going to fire out Leach or Mangino... BUT honestly Mangino might get a look but not Leach because of his lawsuit

Bryan Hansin:Boise State.. Top 5 offense 4 of the last 5 years

Guz Malzhan: Would love to get him but I think his next step is as HC not as Coordinator

Robert Anae: BYU... His offense has suffered this year because of a rare year of under classeman, he'll have them rolling next year. he served under Leach, but has incorporated more running game.He would be nails here

Lincoln Riley: East Carolina, young buck OC... schooled under Leach"

[royalfan5]

I'm not sure Indiana U actually counts as Big 10. Isn't their football team intramural based?

Probably, but Wilson can recycle all his Sooner Clothing with only small modifications.

[bigfatjerk]

I think we probably see us hire Seth Letrell as a COOC/Run game coach.

[Mad Dog Madsen]

Doubtful...

[Widescreen]

Stoops seems to hire internally for the top coordinator positions. I can see him elevating someone and then bringing in someone from the outside to replace the person they elevated. Maybe he likes the continuity but I'd like to see us bring in some hotshot from outside with some new ideas. That's one thing that Mack Brown has done, at least on the defensive side of the ball, and it's worked pretty well. Chizik and Muschamp as well as Robinson.

[85sooners]

:pop:

[ThatGuy65]

Norvell?

Gundy?

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

[3rdgensooner]

KW to Nebraska: I'm not touching you I'm not touching you I'm not touching you I'm not touching you I'm not touching you I'm not touching you I'm not touching you

http://thoughtsappear.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/not-touching-you.jpg

[ouwasp]

Leach, come home! ;)

[BoomerSooner, esq.]

Well, until I see a confirmation, I will just keep dreaming that this is true. What is going to happen when Wilson's single sheet of toilet paper of play calls is gone?

[SoonerMom2]

Been waiting for Wilson to take a head coaching job in the Big 10 since he came from that area. Indiana needs a good hire as they have been down more than they have been good for years. When I grew up in Ohio, Indiana was an automatic win for The OSU. They had more problems with Purdue. Basketball school under Bobby Knight!

[yermom]

I think we probably see us hire Seth Letrell as a COOC/Run game coach.

i was just thinking last night that it was kinda crazy that he was an OC before Heupel, but he might have gotten a year or two head start on him

[SoonerPr8r]

Stoops seems to hire internally for the top coordinator positions.

So who to promote?

Norvell is listed as the Asst. Offensive Coordinator. I didn't remember that he was an OC at UCLA. Here is some of his career info:


# Norvell has spent his last 21 years as a coach with the Iowa, Northern Iowa, Wisconsin, Iowa State, Indianapolis Colts, Oakland Raiders, Nebraska and most rececently was the Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks Coach for UCLA.
# As UCLA's offensive coordinator, Norvell experienced some early success, but then hard times set in as he had to go through 4 quarterbacks in 2007. Despite having to use a walk-on freshman as the lead signal caller, UCLA beat two Top 10 teams and participated in the 2007 Las Vegas Bowl.
# In 2006, Nebraska was one of just two schools to rank in the top 25 in rushing offense, passing offense, total offense and scoring offense. The Cornhuskers ranked 23rd nationally in passing, averaging 244.1 yards per game; 23rd in rushing, averaging 170.5


yards on the ground; 14th in total offense, averaging 414.6 yards per game; and 17th in scoring, averaging 30.6 points per game.

[JLEW1818]

go big or go home!! Give it to Josh and let him do his thing!!!!

[bmjlr]

Found this...

Oklahoma OC Kevin Wilson in line at Indiana?
December 3, 2010 by admin
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Multiple sources tell FRM that Oklahoma OC Kevin Wilson is likely next in line at Indiana. Barring a stumble in the formal interview, Wilson will become the next head coach of the Hoosiers.


Wilson has been very close on jobs in the past, but has fumbled at the goal line (interview). Indiana seems so enamored with him, the job is “his to lose.”

http://www.footballrumormill.com/2010/12/03/oklahoma-oc-kevin-wilson-in-line-at-indiana/

[Collier11]

Well, until I see a confirmation, I will just keep dreaming that this is true. What is going to happen when Wilson's single sheet of toilet paper of play calls is gone?

buy yourself a clue

[colleyvillesooner]

Well, until I see a confirmation, I will just keep dreaming that this is true. What is going to happen when Wilson's single sheet of toilet paper of play calls is gone?


You'll still be an idiot?

[usaosooner]

go big or go home!! Give it to Josh and let him do his thing!!!!


That's not going big... not at all:gary:

[btb916]

I hope Wilson goes.

That way, we won't have to see anymore 80 yard touchdown passes to tight end James Hanna. That way, we won't have to see 80 yard touchdown passes to Cameron Kenney on 3rd and 12. What was he thinking on that, anyway? Yeah, it turned out well, but really--why take that risk. We had the lead after all. Run the ball and let the clock tick away before making the right call: a punt.

Yeah. I also don't care for having the offensive coordinator that called plays for the highest scoring offense in college football history. I mean, heck, Sam and co. could have scored with Greg Davis calling plays.

I hope Bob fires Wilson before he gets a chance to interview at Indiana. Show the guy who's boss, Coach.

:mad:

In all seriousness, I would like to see anyone who hates Wilson so much offer up legitimate criticism of his play calling, excluding the goal line stands against A&M and Floriduh. Other than that, what the hell is the problem? Oh, and you should back your criticism up with specific examples--not just garbage about how he is too conservative, or how he doesn't throw down field enough. And since he is so terribly awful to some, you should have a whole lot of examples to persuade me that we would be better off without him; a few scattered examples won't cut it. Even the best make bad calls now and again.

[BoomerSooner, esq.]

buy yourself a clue

You like Wilson. I dont. Its a difference of opinion. No need to be a dick about it.

[Octavian]

Hope it's not true. We're just starting to click again, and it seems like he's actually starting to trust LJ.


We're bringing a lot back next year and we've just discovered the Diamond....3 of the 4 starters in that formation will be back. A lot of talent at WR and OL returns. We could be really good next year....and he would have some better opportunities.


Bear Bryant couldn't have won at Indiana.

[Mississippi Sooner]

Bear Bryant couldn't have won at Indiana.

This.

Indiana is a coaching black hole. No coach has had an overall winning record there since Bo McMillin back in the 1930s-40s.

[Soonerntxs]

Thank you Mr. Wilson for all the tears, laughs, hair pulling, foot stompin, wall punchin, stroke causin, finger to the head trigger pullin, up the middle runnin moments that you have ever so braved the world of fans like me!! I wish you all the best.

[Widescreen]

My main criticism with Wilson this season was the goal line play calling at aTm. The clock management was terrible too. Otherwise, he's done a solid job IMO.

I don't have a strong opinion either way if he goes or not. If he does go, I just want someone who a creative offensive mind who can recruit well and relate to the players.

[3rdgensooner]

@johnehoover: Hearing Jim Donnan said Kevin Wilson all but hired at Indiana. Not true. Donnan just told our Dave Sittler he did NOT report that.

[85sooners]

:eek:

[Fraggle145]

Hope it's not true. We're just starting to click again, and it seems like he's actually starting to trust LJ.


We're bringing a lot back next year and we've just discovered the SHOTBONE!!!....3 of the 4 starters in that formation will be back. A lot of talent at WR and OL returns. We could be really good next year....and he would have some better opportunities.


Bear Bryant couldn't have won at Indiana.

As much as he pisses me off sometimes... This.

Oh and FTFY :D

[Soonerntxs]

Ok, Mr. Wilson thanks for all the tears, laughs, hair pulling, foot stompin, wall punchin, stroke causin, finger to the head trigger pullin, up the middle runnin moments that you have ever so braved the world of fans like me and may we have many more of the moments in our future as SOONERS!!

[BoulderSooner79]

Ok, Mr. Wilson thanks for all the tears, laughs, hair pulling, foot stompin, wall punchin, stroke causin, finger to the head trigger pullin, up the middle runnin moments that you have ever so braved the world of fans like me and may we have many more of the moments in our future as SOONERS!!

It's deja vu all over again.

[cyclonesooner]

I certainly hope he's smart enough not to take that job.

[usaosooner]

if true keep Justin Fuentes in mind

[Soonerntxs]

It's deja vu all over again.

GROUNDHOG DAY!:P

[Howzit]

If Wilson doesn't go to Indiana it's probably because he is concerned about living up to the legacy that is Lee Corso.

[agoo758]

Backwards step IMO. Only way I would ever take a coaching opportunity at Indaiana is if I knew for certain I would never have an opportunity to coach anywere else.

[usaosooner]

going to tap brakes right now

[Soonerntxs]

going to tap brakes right now

Tap brakes? I just watched your transmission fly past my passenger door and your KIA shell lap me twice!:D

[bmjlr]

CHUCK LONG FOR OC!!! :D (ducks)

[Soonerntxs]

CHUCK LONG FOR OC!!! :D (ducks)

I think I just threwup food I haven't ate yet!

[Jacie]

Maybe Mangino?

You're a youngster, right?

When Mangino got the Kansas job, there was a general sigh of relief around here. Everyone was glad the big guy got a HC job and glad he was gone at the same time.

[usaosooner]

hearing his gone BUT staff wants to limit distractions till after CCG

[Collier11]

You like Wilson. I dont. Its a difference of opinion. No need to be a dick about it.

the problem is that your dislike of him is based out of ignorance

[IndySooner]

You're a youngster, right?

When Mangino got the Kansas job, there was a general sigh of relief around here. Everyone was glad the big guy got a HC job and glad he was gone at the same time.

Uh, no. I'm not a youngster. I remember how our fickle fans felt. I also remember the next year people screaming to get him back because they weren't happy with Chuck Long. I'm not a part of the crowd that constantly thinks our offensive coordinators suck. In fact, I don't think ANY of our coordinators have been bad since Stoops got here.

I'm not sure if I'd want Mangino back or not. Honestly, he's probably #4 on my list of our coordinators (Leach, Long, Wilson, Mangino--in that order) but it wouldn't be a horrible thing.

[I Am Right]

Yeah, just heard. Will he call the Big XII game? who will be OC?

[swardboy]

Why leave when a loaded Sooner team is coming back next year?

[colleyvillesooner]

Mangino was an OSU loss from maybe sending us to back to back NCG. he couldn't have been that awful.

Edit: the IPhone changes Mangino to mansion. Heh.

[stoopified]

One thing I know about KW for sure.,is not stupid.Any assistant coach who would leave OU for Indiana would have to be brain dead..

[bigfatjerk]

This.

Indiana is a coaching black hole. No coach has had an overall winning record there since Bo McMillin back in the 1930s-40s.
Kansas was the same when Mangino took over. He won there.

[3rdgensooner]

smoke....

fire...

[bmjlr]

Mangino was an OSU loss from maybe sending us to back to back NCG. he couldn't have been that awful.

Edit: the IPhone changes Mangino to mansion. Heh.

:eek: :D

[AlboSooner]

I hope this is not true. It would be a great loss for OU. I would not mind the return of Mangino one bit.

[missann]

Good. Maybe the QB spot can be up for grabs, too. I'd love Leach to come back - we can be the renegade Sooners.

[SoonerDood]

from twitter- Hearing Jim Donnan said Kevin Wilson all but hired at Indiana. Not true. Donnan just told our Dave Sittler he did NOT report that.
and- Donnan did opine to Dave he thought Wilson would be a good fit

[85sooners]

:gary:

[sooner518]

from twitter- Hearing Jim Donnan said Kevin Wilson all but hired at Indiana. Not true. Donnan just told our Dave Sittler he did NOT report that.
and- Donnan did opine to Dave he thought Wilson would be a good fit

link?

[stoops the eternal pimp]

NOTHING TO SEE HERE!

[RedstickSooner]

"OC I would want ( in no particular order) if Wilson should happen to leave

Mark Mangino:Everyone is going to fire out Leach or Mangino... BUT honestly Mangino might get a look but not Leach because of his lawsuit

Bryan Hansin:Boise State.. Top 5 offense 4 of the last 5 years

Guz Malzhan: Would love to get him but I think his next step is as HC not as Coordinator

Robert Anae: BYU... His offense has suffered this year because of a rare year of under classeman, he'll have them rolling next year. he served under Leach, but has incorporated more running game.He would be nails here

Lincoln Riley: East Carolina, young buck OC... schooled under Leach"


What the fudge? Dude, you even talk about someone schooled under Leach -- how do you leave Leach off the list? Has he gotten some kick-arse job I hadn't heard about, makes it impossible to land him?

If Wilson leaves, I want Leach. Period. If Heupel moves up, I won't cry myself to sleep or anything (though, obviously, we won't know how Heupel will do 'til he does it).

I can't say losing another damned coach right before a championship game appeals to me, though. I dig that sucky schools like Indiana want all the time they can have to rebuild, but I think it's lame and should be against contract to hire someone away before they've finished their current season. It's a load of crap, and it's a huuuuuuuuuuuge part of why we didn't beat LSU in 2003. If your school sucks so hard that you need a new coach, you can damned well just keep on sucking until bowl season is over.

Jerks.

[sooner59]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9807/untitlggxp8.gif

[soonercastor]

Obviously they just want to cool it off for now, so it's not a distraction tomorrow.

[usaosooner]

I don't include Leach because OU isn't going hire a man with a active lawsuit against ESPN... Its happening

[NormanPride]

DERP

[SoonerDood]

more from twitter- Stoops denies rumor/report Kevin Wilson interviewed for Indiana job today. Says he was conducting practice with Brent Venables.

[AlboSooner]

DERP

Hurr

[NormanPride]

Donnan doesn't even have Twitter, people.

[StoopTroup]

Willie Martinez is a lock if Wilson's bacon is Indiana crispy....who could be a better choice if you want a guy to lead the Offense....why not hire a guy with great Defensive skills. :D


Coaching Accomplishments
• Spent nine years at Georgia where he was part of a staff that led UGA to 90 victories, two SEC championships, three SEC Eastern Division titles, seven bowl victories and six top-10 finishes in the final national polls including No. 2 in 2007 and No. 3 in 2002.

• The 2007 Georgia defense finished first in the SEC and
eighth nationally in sacks (42) and 14 nationally in total
defense.

• His 2006 defense ranked eighth nationally in total
defense, fifth in pass defense and first in the SEC in third
down efficiency.

• Under Martinez, the 2005 Georgia defense was eighth in the country in scoring defense (16.4 ppg).

• On a staff that led the 2003 SEC Eastern Division
champion Georgia defense that finished second nationally
in scoring defense (14.5 ppg), fourth in total defense
(276.86 ypg), sixth in passing defense (174.50 ypg, first
in the SEC), 14th nationally in turnover margin (+.79) and fourth in number of scoreless quarters (25) among the AP's final top-10 teams.

• The 2002 Georgia defense finished first in the SEC and
fourth nationally in scoring defense (15.1 ppg), first in the
SEC in red zone defense (58.8%), second in the SEC in
rushing defense (114.0 ypg) and allowed only 31 second
half points in the final seven games of the season.

• Over the past seven years, 10 of Martinez's Georgia
defensive backs were selected in the NFL Draft, including all three senior starters in 2005.

• Coached a Central Michigan defense in 2000 that led the nation in pass defense (149.7 ypg).

• Tutored Brian Leigeb, who led the MAC in tackles and
was third nationally with 13.36 per game in 2000.

• Was part of a Central Michigan staff that won the 1994
MAC Championship before playing in the Las Vegas Bowl.

• Was a graduate assistant on a Miami staff that coached
in the 1986 Sugar and 1987 Fiesta Bowls.

Prominent Pupils
• Tim Jennings (Georgia), Colts, 2005 All-SEC, 2002 All-SEC Freshman
• Greg Blue (Georgia), 2005 All-American, 2005 All-SEC
• DeMario Minter (Georiga), 2005 All-SEC
• Asher Allen (Georgia), Vikings, 2008 Jim Thorpe semifinalist
• Thomas Davis (Georgia), Panthers, 2004 All-American, 2003 & 2004 All-SEC, Bednarik semifinalist
• Sean Jones (Georgia), Eagles, 2003 All-American, 2003 All-SEC, 2002 All-SEC
• Tre Battle (Georiga), Browns, 2006 All-SEC
• Reshad Jones (Georiga), 2008 All-SEC
• Jermaine Phillips (Georgia), Buccaneers, 2001 All-SEC
• Brian Leigeb (Central Michigan), 2000 All-MAC

Accomplishments as a Player
• Played on the 1983 National Championship team at
Miami.

• Defensive back on the 1984 Orange and 1985 Fiesta






Bowl teams.


;)

[XingTheRubicon]

OC will be an outside hire

[StoopTroup]

OC will be an outside hire

They'll do it from an office. Capel was the last guy to get hired outside.

[oumartin]

more from twitter- Stoops denies rumor/report Kevin Wilson interviewed for Indiana job today. Says he was conducting practice with Brent Venables.


so, if those two were conducting practice where was stoops? Interviewing at Indiana? hmmmm

[Soonerntxs]

Like we don't all know how to interview via TEXT? DUH?

[olevetonahill]

You like Wilson. I dont. Its a difference of opinion. No need to be a dick about it.

So why are YOU being a Dick ?

[RJSooner]

In all seriousness, I would like to see anyone who hates Wilson so much offer up legitimate criticism of his play calling, excluding the goal line stands against A&M and Floriduh. Other than that, what the hell is the problem? Oh, and you should back your criticism up with specific examples--not just garbage about how he is too conservative, or how he doesn't throw down field enough. And since he is so terribly awful to some, you should have a whole lot of examples to persuade me that we would be better off without him; a few scattered examples won't cut it. Even the best make bad calls now and again.

My biggest problem with him is that he repeats his mistakes... I hate when we lose but I want to see that we learn from our mistakes and do our best to not let them happen again... The A&M game seemed to be the loss that brought it out in the light so hard that noone could deny the problem...

but repeating your mistakes only shows your not trying to learn from them... or that your not being very intelligent about the matter.

And I can't just look at the osu game and think that everything is better... the mistakes have been repeated for multiple years... its gonna take time for me to see that he has learned from them and grown into a better coordinator from it.

[Sooner_Havok]

Umm, I may be off base here but...

Dana Holgorsen lives out of a hotel room in stillwater. He doesn't see osu as a permanent position. OC at OU > OC at osu. OC at OU = OC at Miami or *'s...

The man knows the spread, I'm just saying.

[badger]

It is false, people.

Link (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OU/article.aspx?subjectid=92&articleid=20101203_92_0_ALNTNe233698)

Stoops doesn't lie to the media or even give false info, like a certain [hairGel] does, so you can take this at face value.

[budbarrybob]

I'm NOT leaving [hairGel]

[MichiganSooner]

Indianapolis Star has an article listing some candidates they think might be approached and Kevin Wilson's name was not listed. There were over a dozen coaching candidates. Link
http://www.indystar.com/article/20101129/SPORTS0601/11290336/1069/SPORTS0601/Indiana-launches-hunt-for-new-coach

Bloomington paper has no news.

[Collier11]

Umm, I may be off base here but...

Dana Holgorsen lives out of a hotel room in stillwater. He doesn't see osu as a permanent position. OC at OU > OC at osu. OC at OU = OC at Miami or *'s...

The man knows the spread, I'm just saying.

Didnt Wilson outcoach Holgerson big time just one week ago? How soon you all forget

[sOUnder]

I have no idea who to believe anymore...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5880852&campaign=rss&source=NCFHeadlines

[badger]

Trust Stoops. I don't believe he's ever lied to us before.

I think ESPN reported Stoops to Domer last season :mad:


Going outside comfort zone here, but credible people saying today they believe Bob Stoops will wind up coaching at Notre Dame next season.

03:13 PM Nov 30, 2009

[Fraggle145]

Am I the only one that doesnt want Leach?

Dude does not know how to run the ball.

I like multiple sets - WE DONT JUST RUN THE SPREAD PEOPLE :mad:

[Octavian]

“He hasn’t been contacted and we haven’t been contacted. So, as usual, it’s erroneous and made up. And right now there are no plans for it to be true since no one — Joe (Castiglione) knows (Indiana athletic director Fred Glass) well, and Kevin and I have as good a relationship as could be, and if anything was set like that, we would know. And I wouldn’t have a problem saying it. I hope he is contacted."

“They’re wrong,” Stoops said. “Kevin was meeting with our guys, I saw him in the office and he was going into meetings with the players when I walked out and he’s getting on the bus with the team from there and going. So, again, as they were wrong with me (going to Notre Dame last summer), they’re wrong with him.”


vintage Stoops answer

[soonercastor]

We just don't need the distraction right now. Good thing coach Stoops dismissed it for now.

[Leroy Lizard]

I can't say losing another damned coach right before a championship game appeals to me, though. I dig that sucky schools like Indiana want all the time they can have to rebuild, but I think it's lame and should be against contract to hire someone away before they've finished their current season.

Recruiting.

[Leroy Lizard]

What the fudge? Dude, you even talk about someone schooled under Leach -- how do you leave Leach off the list?

Leach isn't coming here. And I doubt Stoops would want him.

[Leroy Lizard]

Am I the only one that doesnt want Leach?

I don't. Solid head coach and I am sure he would do well at a lot of places. But as OC he would be butting heads with the rest of the staff. Once a head coach, it's tough to step back down.

[colinreturn]

i hope wilson gets a shot but I really think indiana is beneath him.

[Leroy Lizard]

i hope wilson gets a shot but I really think indiana is beneath him.

Well, you gotta start somewhere. But Indiana is a coaching graveyard.

If KW leaves (and it's looking more and more like he isn't) it would be a major blow to our program.

[usaosooner]

you can't always start with steak, sometimes you got to start with baloney

[wishbonesooner]

Didnt Wilson outcoach Holgerson big time just one week ago? How soon you all forget
OK, any criticism of Wilson, and we're told he can't execute the plays, the players have to do it on the field. After the Sooners win a big game, and all the sudden Wilson outcoached Holgerson? Nice to be able to have it both ways.

[Leroy Lizard]

OK, any criticism of Wilson, and we're told he can't execute the plays, the players have to do it on the field. After the Sooners win a big game, and all the sudden Wilson outcoached Holgerson? Nice to be able to have it both ways.

It cuts both ways. Those who blame the lack of offensive success on KW should have a hard time explaining OU's success against OSU.

[goingoneight]

Stop for a moment and think about Indiana. It's comparable to OSU, Baylor, Kansas State and the like. It's a "small football program." Indiana is battling BIG TEN powers for talent it just won't get. As stated above, Bear Bryant would struggle there.
Now... is it impossible to win there? Heck no. A great coach with a great staff can win anywhere with the right people and the right breaks.

Cases in point:

Mike Gundy's doing a hell olf a job at OSU, but it took nearly four years to get it going and a few BIG 12 powers had to fall from glory for him to succeed on the field as well as on the recruiting trail.

Let us not forget Bill Snyder's first tenure at KSU. From beyond bad, to really good in the late 90's and early 2000s. Scheduling and the down cycles of OU and Texas made him a winner.

Baylor = Briles is much the same as above.

In short, I think it's gonna be at least a four-year bumpy ride for even the best of coaches in a rut like Indiana. Quick rebuilding efforts at Oklahoma by Bob Stoops, Alabama by Nick Saban and Urban Meyer are just not fair when compared to what smaller programs need to succeed. It's gonna take a lot of time, a lot of lucky breaks as well as a great gameplan for success. Major programs have top-notch facilities, packed houses on gamedays, tradition and most have talent on hand regardless of how bad they've been prior to a great turnaround. Case in point: the old "Stoops won with Blake's players" argument. Lame as the argument is, there was big-time talent on campus that complimented Stoops's recruiting classes and coaching philosophies well. IU is in a rut all the way around.

Now, for those of you who are barking at KW to leave just because heaven forbid we've lost a few games, you're just being silly. Also silly are those screaming at the notion that someone from within could be promoted. Those who are thinking too big (ie Gus Malzahn, Mike Leach, etc.) are blissfully ignorant. At best, we'd keep a "name coach" a year. That's assuming someone takes a step down (Leach) or a lateral move (Malzahn). A big part of Stoops's success has been his promoting from within/evaluate what's on hand. Throw a wrench in what's successfully contended for championships over a decade now and you could sink the ship. Remember that success stories like Holgerson to OSU are rare. I think Heupel could do it. He's already intricately involved in the offense as well as with the players. That doesn't mean Norvell isn't better-suited for the job. Remember, all you do as fans is watch it on TV. You don't know which guy is more organized, smarter in the booth, better prepared on gameday, etc. All you know is who you want to blame when something goes wrong.

If KW goes, I hope they give him more time than Chuck Long got at lowly SDSU. It's not a place with built-in advantages like "lowly" Georgia or "lowly" Miami are.

[The Maestro]

i hope wilson gets a shot but I really think indiana is beneath him.

Who knows? Maybe 20 years from now Wilson could be in ESPN College Gameday sticking mascots on his head while the lead anchor and real analyst wonder why they have a clown like that with them...

Seems like it is not real, but if so, Heupel being promoted, keeping his QB coach title and hiring a real special teams coach would be nice...if it ever happens.

[BoomerSooner, esq.]

the problem is that your dislike of him is based out of ignorance

Not exactly. My dislike is based his inability to consistently call plays that bring out the best in the amazing athletes we have. I cant deny that, at times, he has the offense clicking. But at other times, he makes some real bonehead playcalls that seem to come out of nowhere given the success other plays are having. The fact of the matter is that I think that a fresh set of eyes might be a good thing. I dont hold any ill will toward Wilson, but I am not going to be upset if he is gone. If that is ignorant, ok. But dont just assume that because someone has a different opinion than you, that they are ignorant. In fact, I would argue that your statement is much more ignorant than my opinion.

[bikerdood]

I hope Wilson goes.

That way, we won't have to see anymore 80 yard touchdown passes to tight end James Hanna. That way, we won't have to see 80 yard touchdown passes to Cameron Kenney on 3rd and 12. What was he thinking on that, anyway? Yeah, it turned out well, but really--why take that risk. We had the lead after all. Run the ball and let the clock tick away before making the right call: a punt.

Yeah. I also don't care for having the offensive coordinator that called plays for the highest scoring offense in college football history. I mean, heck, Sam and co. could have scored with Greg Davis calling plays.

I hope Bob fires Wilson before he gets a chance to interview at Indiana. Show the guy who's boss, Coach.

:mad:

In all seriousness, I would like to see anyone who hates Wilson so much offer up legitimate criticism of his play calling, excluding the goal line stands against A&M and Floriduh. Other than that, what the hell is the problem? Oh, and you should back your criticism up with specific examples--not just garbage about how he is too conservative, or how he doesn't throw down field enough. And since he is so terribly awful to some, you should have a whole lot of examples to persuade me that we would be better off without him; a few scattered examples won't cut it. Even the best make bad calls now and again....

...Mama Wilson???

[Sooner_Havok]

Didnt Wilson outcoach Holgerson big time just one week ago? How soon you all forget

What??? You mean Wilson is our DC??? Well ****, what the **** happened to Brent Venables?

I guess I am on the fire Kevin Wilson bandwagon now too. Damn, I didn't know that. I thought I liked the guy and was just throwing another name in the hat of a possible replacement. Whelp, guess I was wrong. Damn Collier, I am sure glad you're around to interpret what I say for me, and to jump to conclusions for me. :P

[C&CDean]

Not exactly. My dislike is based his inability to consistently call plays that bring out the best in the amazing athletes we have. I cant deny that, at times, he has the offense clicking. But at other times, he makes some real bonehead playcalls that seem to come out of nowhere given the success other plays are having. The fact of the matter is that I think that a fresh set of eyes might be a good thing. I dont hold any ill will toward Wilson, but I am not going to be upset if he is gone. If that is ignorant, ok. But dont just assume that because someone has a different opinion than you, that they are ignorant. In fact, I would argue that your statement is much more ignorant than my opinion.

No, your dislike is based on hatred.

We lose KW, we go backwards two steps. For reals.

[BoomerSooner, esq.]

No, your dislike is based on hatred.

We lose KW, we go backwards two steps. For reals.

Yes, thank you for correcting me. I didnt think I hated him. In fact, I said that I dont hold any ill will, but now, thanks to you I know much better. I think i also hate terrorists and toe rings, but please verify that for me. :rolleyes:

[I Am Right]

Great call at the end to throw to Hanna, but the defense won that game.

[usaosooner]

Wilson takes patton with him.. Mangino comes back as oline coach and co-oc with Jay

[C&CDean]

Yes, thank you for correcting me. I didnt think I hated him. In fact, I said that I dont hold any ill will, but now, thanks to you I know much better. I think i also hate terrorists and toe rings, but please verify that for me. :rolleyes:

No ill will?

You're the guy in my section with the 3-day old 5'clock shadow who screams "**** you Wilson you no good POS!! You called that same ****ing play in 2008. At least we scored on it then. Damn your eyes you no good POS. Get with the ****ing program. It ain't 2008 no more you POS humper."

Don't lie, it's you, ain't it?

[tommieharris91]

No, your dislike is based on hatred.

We lose KW, we go backwards two steps. For reals.

Ehh. I think Bob will find a pretty good replacement. I hear that Heupel guy is pretty smart. :P

[C&CDean]

Some day Heupel might be > than Wilson. Right now? Naaaaaaay. You haters are fixin' to get what you're asking for. Don't blame me though, I'm just the guy who is telling you that you're all ****ing morons.

[Section 9]

What if Wilson left and took Heupel with him as OC?

[C&CDean]

God our fans are stupid.

[OUinFLA]

What???
We now have the possiibility of TWO coaches doing the death dance at Indiana?

Surely, we have coaches smarter than that??

[silverwheels]

You can't win at Indiana. Ask Lee Corso.


And not that I'm itching for Wilson to leave, but if he does, we'll be okay. Not immediately, but we were successful before him and we will be successful after.

[bigfatjerk]

I think we have so much talent on offense that it is gonna be hard to make an offensive coordinator to look too bad. Kevin Wilson is a good coach but I don't see him or Venables for that matter as irreplaceable.

[Jdog]

it will be Jabada Hut

[dynersooner]

Kelvin Wilson will call INdiana later.

[AlboSooner]

you can't always start with steak, sometimes you got to start with baloney
that's not true for wilson. he can start with a chicken sandwich. Bologna is just terrible (not the town).

[Iam4OUru]

Backwards step IMO. Only way I would ever take a coaching opportunity at Indaiana is if I knew for certain I would never have an opportunity to coach anywere else.

With Indyana on your resume'....you may not have the opportunity to coach anywhere else.

[usaosooner]

Some day Heupel might be > than Wilson. Right now? Naaaaaaay. You haters are fixin' to get what you're asking for. Don't blame me though, I'm just the guy who is telling you that you're all ****ing morons.

TRUTH :gary:

[agoo758]

With Indyana on your resume'....you may not have the opportunity to coach anywhere else.

Exactly. Just ask Lynch. Very good coach who may never get to HC a BCS school ever again.

[soonerdo]

Did Wilson leave? If so I say thanks and good luck

[Scott D]

no he didn't.

And I swear based on this thread I can't wait for the day he does leave, just so I can sit and laugh when the masses turn on that guy within a month.

[swardboy]

Pat Ford reports that Wilson met with IU on Monday, and is leading candidate.
http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.com/iusp/?p=11370

[SOONER STEAKER]

Who was the QB when Hamburgerhelper coached at OU. BTW kid who is the QB coach at ARK. He would be a grat QB coach if Heupel was promoted to OC.

[sojOUrn]

What if Wilson left and took Heupel with him as OC?

That would be interesting. I wonder if Stoops could start over with the offense while maintaining a seamless transition with a whole new OC staff. Next season could be shaky.

[OU-HSV]

Pat Ford reports that Wilson met with IU on Monday, and is leading candidate.
http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.com/iusp/?p=11370

Don't know if anyone posted this, but it's per Pat Forde as well:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5880852

[sojOUrn]

God our fans are stupid.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/tumblr_l9lgi6vkKr1qzx2fh.gif

[prrriiide]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/tumblr_l9lgi6vkKr1qzx2fh.gif

Dude, that is both creepy and hypnotic.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Who was the QB when Hamburgerhelper coached at OU. BTW kid who is the QB coach at ARK. He would be a grat QB coach if Heupel was promoted to OC.

this guy! (http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148605)

[stoops the eternal pimp]

and we already want him fired

[Leroy Lizard]

God our fans are stupid.

It's not just our fans. It's that way everywhere. Even Rockne complained it.

[CatfishSooner]

So he is or is not going?? :D

[LiveLaughLove]

Wilson could have a job like Indiana every single stinking year. The only reason he would have to take it now is if he feels like his window of opportunity has closed because of age.

Indiana's AD, on the other hand, would be going out on a huge limb to take another OU coach after what happened with their last one, even though they are different sports.

If Wilson failed the fans would be calling for his (the ADs) head.

It's just not a fit either way. It aint happenin'.

[Okie35]

So he is or is not going?? :D

No, not yet he just talked to Indiana. I doubt he leaves. My guess is Don Treadwell will get it.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Why would anyone go to Indiana where the Poseidon's are second fiddle to Purdue... Purdue?? Damn that's bad...

[winout]

Wilson at a basketball school would be a good fit since they would be accustomed to "threes" being a favorable thing.

[dwschoon]

I hope this isn't true. Wouldn't be the first time there was a coaching shakeup right before a season OU was a NC contender.

[Leroy Lizard]

Wilson at a basketball school would be a good fit since they would be accustomed to "threes" being a favorable thing.

fail

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

With Indyana on your resume'....you may not have the opportunity to coach anywhere else.Seems to be a game-stopper, doesn't it?

[bigfatjerk]

Why would anyone go to Indiana where the Poseidon's are second fiddle to Purdue... Purdue?? Damn that's bad...
Actually it's 3rd fiddle to Notre Dame.

[RedstickSooner]

Recruiting.

Yes, I know -- the crap school needs all the time they can get. But the crap school is *still* gonna suck next year. We're doing great, and that's why we suffer these sorts of hires. Tanking our season at the end is wicked lame. I almost said "at the good part" (instead of "at the end"), but then I figured that'd be evidence to be used against me in the thread that devolved into a championship debate :)

[Taxman71]

If Wilson does go, it has to be a stepping stone job like Chizik did with Iowa St. Win at Indy and you're a genius, lose and your stayed par. If he improves them at all, he would be in line for a top job like Penn St when JoPa retires since he will have had head coaching experience. Of course, as a North Carolina boy, I always saw him eyeing a job closer to the east coast.

[winout]

Fool me once (with Sampson) shame on you.
Fool me twice shame on me.

[Widescreen]

I'd be surprised if what happened with Sampson has any bearing on whether or not KW goes to Indiana. Unless they think there's something fundamentally wrong with the way OU coaches operate in general.

[adoniijahsooner]

It's amazing that people think Wilson leaving would be a step back for the OU offense. Are we saying that Stoops wouldn't be able to find a suitable replacement? He has had three different offensive coordinators lead his team to NC games, so I am certain if Wilson left, he could find a fourth.

[Widescreen]

My only concern is that Stoops seems to always promote from within when it comes to coordinators. I've gotta think there is someone else out there available who'd be more creative/dynamic, etc than someone we have already on staff. I could be wrong but I know there are some pretty good OC's out there that have already had tons of playcalling experience.

[stoopified]

Why would Wilson settle for the 116th winningest team?He ought to at least hold for a ninety=something team.Among these:#96 Oregon State,Ohio #95, Wyoming #94,<Conneticut #93,Memphis #92 or even shoot for #88 Oklahoma State.

[Leroy Lizard]

It's amazing that people think Wilson leaving would be a step back for the OU offense. Are we saying that Stoops wouldn't be able to find a suitable replacement? He has had three different offensive coordinators lead his team to NC games, so I am certain if Wilson left, he could find a fourth.

It's like having a top player leave early. Will there be another player to fill his shoes? Obviously. Will he be as good? Hard to say.

[Leroy Lizard]

Why would Wilson settle for the 116th winningest team?He ought to at least hold for a ninety=something team.Among these:#96 Oregon State,Ohio #95, Wyoming #94,<Conneticut #93,Memphis #92 or even shoot for #88 Oklahoma State.

I'm not sure what a teams' record in 1944 has to do with it. I would only look at the past 20 years. For example, OSU is a lot better than #88 today, and could be looked at as a top-20 program.

Indiana? Consider that Mike Stoops took over Arizona, which was in far worse shape. Today he has reasonably solid job security.

[wishbonesooner]

God our fans are stupid.
What makes you such an expert? Every announcer I've watched talked about OU's offense being predictable. You always talk about how he was so good in '08 and how many records the Sooners set. Good God Dean, my old coach at Shawnee could have set records with Bradford and Gresham and All Americans within spitting distance of anywhere on the field. I'm not hoping Wilson leaves, but it won't be like we'd be losing the greatest football mind in college football.