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3rdgensooner
11/5/2010, 10:49 AM
Letterman Defeats Leno! Stewart Defeats Both! (http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2010/11/05/letterman-defeats-leno-stewart-defeats-both/)

Conan O'Brien's new talk show debuts on TBS next Monday, which is sure to raise memories of the whole ugly scene last January when NBC threw over O'Brien at 11:35 p.m. for Jay Leno. (As will the timely publication the same day of Bill Carter's Jaypocalypse dirt-disher, The War for Late Night.)


But whatever you think of how that played out, NBC at least had a plan to stop the bleeding. It would pay Conan off, Jay would go back to the Tonight Show, and whatever PR fallout there was, at least Jay would do better than Conan and would beat David Letterman again. At least.


Turns out there's a level below "at least." (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/letterman-beats-leno-measures-35765)


Jay, as I noted last week (http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2010/10/29/weekend-reading-how-jay-beat-conan-and-nbc/), has lately been finishing below Conan's ratings in the 18 to 49 demographic (the rating on which ad rates are based). He's been losing ground to Dave too, who last week beat Jay for the first time since the rematch in both 18-49 and overall viewers.


Well, we're seven months into the Jaystoration—roughly the point at which NBC defenestrated Conan—and as Jay says, this business is all about whether you make the numbers, so I guess we can expect NBC to dump Jay in [looks at watch]...


I kid! That will totally never happen. Because Jay just needs time for audiences to discover him in his new time slot. He has so much room to grow!


[Update: OK, so the silver lining for NBC? They may be in no better shape at 11:35, but thank goodness The Jay Leno Show is out of the 10 p.m. hour—those scripted dramas may be more expensive, but at least they pull higher ratings! Wait... what? (http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/with-conan-on-the-way-leno-a-late-night-loser-to-letterman/) (The last touch that would make this whole situation perfect would be for Jay's camp to start blaming their lousy lead-ins.)]


In any case, Dave may not have so much to crow about either, because it turns out that last month, Jon Stewart's Daily Show beat both his and Jay's shows in 18-to-49 viewers, the first time any late night show other than those two has won the month for at least a decade. (Stewart does not compete directly against with show, airing at 11 p.m., but that can't be much consolation.)


An excerpt from the release sent by Comedy Central follows. One thought: looking down it, it may be surprising how relatively small are the late-night audiences that determine where they make their ad money, and how little difference in numbers separates many of the shows. The difference between Dave and Jimmy Fallon, say—400,000 viewers in the demo.


And one more thought: how will Conan's entry affect all this? Late-night is not a zero-sum game; Conan may get viewers that are not watching any other talk show. But surely some of his viewers will come from other 11:00-midnight competition—some of whom, perhaps, went to David Letterman in the meantime after Conan left The Tonight Show. What irony if, after all this, Conan O'Brien ends up helping Jay Leno out.


Here are those October numbers: (http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2010/11/05/letterman-defeats-leno-stewart-defeats-both/)

StoopTroup
11/5/2010, 10:55 AM
Dave looks like he's gonna die at any moment. Jay looks like he's addicted to an Audience and Conan's little sabbatical will probably fuel his popularity but he needs to stick to what made him fun to watch. He had some pretty good interviews....he doesn't always have to be funny.

mgsooner
11/5/2010, 11:36 AM
I hope the show is funnier than the promos have been.

The
11/5/2010, 11:39 AM
I miss Arsenio.

Thar. I said it.

StoopTroup
11/5/2010, 11:40 AM
http://thechuckler.com/wp-content/uploads/retro/840blog_arsenio_hall_jason_.gif

mgsooner
11/5/2010, 11:41 AM
Does anyone ever watch Fallon? I have not watched more than a grand total of 10 minutes of his show, ever.

StoopTroup
11/5/2010, 11:42 AM
Jimmy is pretty talented but I think his days as a Talk Show Host are numbered.

3rdgensooner
11/5/2010, 11:45 AM
Does anyone ever watch Fallon? I have not watched more than a grand total of 10 minutes of his show, ever.I sometimes watch him while waiting for Craig Ferguson to come on a midnight. He's alright.

The
11/5/2010, 11:51 AM
I sometimes watch him while waiting for Craig Ferguson to come on me. He's alright.

http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp290/John_Costigan_bucket/matty-shocked.jpg

3rdgensooner
11/5/2010, 11:53 AM
^^ Dork

The
11/5/2010, 11:53 AM
Duh

StoopTroup
11/5/2010, 11:56 AM
http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp290/John_Costigan_bucket/matty-shocked.jpg

Heh.

Watched the movie with Ed Norton last night called....

Leaves of Grass.

Decent movie but Oklahoma looked a bit different than I remembered it.

http://watchleavesofgrassmovie.com/play1.jpg

hipsterdoofus
11/5/2010, 12:41 PM
I've seen some funny clips from Fallon's show..he is pretty talented..but I've never watched a show before.

I still wish Conan hadn't gone to Cable...shoulda gone to Fox. I can't watch him now.

StoopTroup
11/5/2010, 12:44 PM
Jimmy's talent lies in his singing and dry stand up. The standard Talk Show situation doesn't really show off his talent. Maybe he'd be better in a Craig James 30 minute Sitcom type thing than a Talk Show. Eventually he needs to lighten up. It's like he is looking for the Audiences Approval.

badger
11/5/2010, 12:46 PM
Conan apparently made the Tulsa audience laugh very, very hard. You can read a recap of his show here. (http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/article.aspx?subjectid=370&articleid=20100516_17_A20_ConanO349130&archive=yes)


"You're like a big meat cleaver going into the brain of Texas," he said to uproarious applause. He adopted a faux Texas accent and said, " 'Hey, we're big, we're bad, we're Texas.' But they better step back, or they'll get an Oklahoma right in the brain."


I really wish I could have seen it, but it sold out d@mn fast. He probably could have sold out the BOK Center.

Anyway, wish nothing but the best for the guy.

The
11/5/2010, 12:47 PM
Conan apparently made the Tulsa audience very, very hard.
http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp290/John_Costigan_bucket/matty-shocked.jpg