San Francisco bans Happy Meals

[MR2-Sooner86]

The city's board of supervisors votes to forbid restaurants from giving away toys with meals that have high levels of calories, sugar and fat. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/la-fi-happy-meals-20101103,0,3215699.story)


San Francisco's board of supervisors has voted, by a veto-proof margin, to ban most of McDonald's Happy Meals as they are now served in the restaurants.

The measure will make San Francisco the first major city in the country to forbid restaurants from offering a free toy with meals that contain more than set levels of calories, sugar and fat.

The ordinance would also require restaurants to provide fruits and vegetables with all meals for children that come with toys.

"We're part of a movement that is moving forward an agenda of food justice," said Supervisor Eric Mar, who sponsored the measure. "From San Francisco to New York City, the epidemic of childhood obesity in this country is making our kids sick, particularly kids from low income neighborhoods, at an alarming rate. It's a survival issue and a day-to-day issue."

Just after the vote, McDonald's spokeswoman Danya Proud said, "We are extremely disappointed with today's decision. It's not what our customers want, nor is it something they asked for."

The ban, already enacted in a similar measure by Santa Clara County, was opposed by San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, who was vying to be lieutenant governor in Tuesday's election. But because the measure was passed by eight votes — one more than needed to override a veto — his opposition doesn't matter unless one of the supervisors changes his or her mind after the promised veto.

Under the ordinance, scheduled to take effect in December 2011, restaurants may include a toy with a meal if the food and drink combined contain fewer than 600 calories, and if less than 35% of the calories come from fat.

Over the last few weeks, the proposed ban caused a stir online and on cable television, with supporters arguing that it would help protect children from obesity, and opponents seeing it as the latest example of the nanny state gone wild.

Supervisor Bevan Dufty, whose swing vote provided the veto-proof majority, said critics should not dismiss the legislation as a nutty effort by San Franciscans. "I do believe the industry is going to take note of this. I don't care how much they say, 'It's San Francisco, they're wacked out there.' "

Proud, the McDonald's spokeswoman, said the city was out of step with the mainstream on the issue.

"Public opinion continues to be overwhelmingly against this misguided legislation," she said. "Parents tell us it's their right and responsibility — not the government's — to make their own decisions and to choose what's right for their children."

McDonald's is not the only fast-food chain to offer toys with children's meals, but because it is so prominent the company has become a key face of opposition to the ban.

Daniel Conway, spokesman for the California Restaurant Assn., bemoaned the ordinance's passage and contrasted it with San Franciscans' exuberant feelings after the Giants won the world series on Monday night.

"One day you're world champions, and the next day, no toys for you," Conway said.

He said the industry could respond in a number of ways to the ordinance. Some might continue to include toys but charge separately for them. Others might reformulate their meals so that they comply with the law. Restaurants might also simply stop offering children's meals altogether, he said.

Proud said the company does offer more healthful menu options, including apple slices that can be ordered with kids' meals instead of French fries.

The vote was held the same day that McDonald's reintroduced nationwide its McRib sandwich, a pressed pork patty that gets half its calories from fat and has a cult-like legion of fans.

Mar said it would lead the fast-food giant and other restaurants to provide more healthful food for kids. The ban, he said, was crucial to the fight against childhood obesity and the illnesses that go along with it, including diabetes and the risk of heart problems and stroke. The cost of fighting those diseases, he said, will be in the billions.

"It's astronomical how much it's going to cost if we don't address it," Mar said. "It's incredible the crisis that's going to hit us."

When Lex Luther tried to send a good chunk of California, San Francisco included, into the ocean in the first Superman movie, I think he was really onto something.

[OUthunder]

Mmmmn....Socialism. No shock that a California city would be the 1st to do that.

**** California, I'll feed my kids twinkies and ding dongs with a toy included if I ****ing want to. **** those ****ing faggot *** liberals.

Thanks for letting me rant, back to a gentler, kinder, Thunder. :D

[Leroy Lizard]

McD's should just up a sign: On account of recent action taken by the Board of Supervisors, we can no longer sell Happy Meals.

Not sure if it's legal, but maybe they should pass out pictures of the board members to all CRA members and refuse to serve them if they enter their establishments.

[Leroy Lizard]

Mmmmn....Socialism. No shock that a California city would be the 1st to do that.

**** California, I'll feed my kids twinkies and ding dongs with a toy included if I ****ing want to. **** those ****ing faggot *** liberals.

Thanks for letting me rant, back to a gentler, kinder, Thunder. :D

Eh, it's not socialism.

[Serge Ibaka]

That's not socialism.

It's mostly just a di** move.

[SunnySooner]

Yet another reason to never move to San Francisco. Like I needed any more.

[yermom]

you people sure love your Happy Meal toys

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

Mmmmn....Socialism
Lolwat? You realize thats economic policy not nanny government policy right?

[Blue]

you people sure love your free speech

;)

[yermom]

were you guys this up in arms when they banned candy cigarettes too?

[Leroy Lizard]

were you guys this up in arms when they banned candy cigarettes too?

Still am. Who in here didn't love candy cigarettes as a kid?

[GottaHavePride]

I'm ok with this move. We have a serious epidemic of tubby little kids in this country. And tubby kids turn into fat adults, who develop diabetes, heart disease, and a whole crapton of other conditions that mean they're a financial drain on our health system. Which our taxes have to pay for.

So, them not being fatties is cheaper for me in the long run.

[Blue]

I'm ok with this move. We have a serious epidemic of tubby little kids in this country. And tubby kids turn into fat adults, who develop diabetes, heart disease, and a whole crapton of other conditions that mean they're a financial drain on our health system. Which our taxes have to pay for.

So, them not being fatties is cheaper for me in the long run.

Which is why our taxes shouldn't be supporting any health system. The more things they control, the more things they have a say in.

[Rocko]

Nothing wrong with this at all. Obesity is above 63% in this nation, which is largely due to an increase in portion sizes served by food chains. The size of a happy meal today is larger than an adult McDonalds meal was in 1970, I believe obesity was around 25% back then.

No one is going to stop eating fast food, we live in much to fast a world to have home cooked meals every day. However, there is no reason fast food chains can't be responsible for what they're feeding us. Reduce portion size, server healthier foods, and don't package a toy with a kids meal.

[tommieharris91]

I'm ok with this move. We have a serious epidemic of tubby little kids in this country. And tubby kids turn into fat adults, who develop diabetes, heart disease, and a whole crapton of other conditions that mean they're a financial drain on our health system. Which our taxes have to pay for.

So, them not being fatties is cheaper for me in the long run.

Fatasses were driving up your hospital bills BEFORE the healthcare reform passed.

[Collier11]

heres an idea, why dont we let moms and dads decide what their kids can eat

[Crucifax Autumn]

Because that obviously hasn't worked out well according to childhood diabetes numbers.

But really I'm with you, just don't like the cost to society.

[Collier11]

I realize that and it sucks how fat our society is getting but really, this isnt the govts job, this is a parents job. Why dont they just do this, if your child is extremely obese (im not talking about chubby) and it can not be linked to some medical issue, start handing out fines to the parents...id be more for that

[Crucifax Autumn]

I'm not really sure that any of it's not "due to some other reason". My kids eat constantly, both healthy and extremely unhealthy foods, and neither of them is even a little chubby. I was the same when I was a kid and didn't get fat until my 30s when I got lazy and increased my booze intake to keep up with my tolerance.

Point being, if my kids eat twice as much unhealthy **** as any fat kids I know, then why are mine both relatively trim and the kid down the way that eats the same ****, but half as much a giant fat pig? Based on my observation, all the fat kids must have some predisposition to lardassery.

[Collier11]

Point being, if your kid is healthy then so be it. If your kid is a tub-O and you are force feeding them, you should get fined...why not

[Crucifax Autumn]

Well yeah! lol


Makes me think of those fat baby shows on Maury. They always have some 2 year old that weighs 150 pounds and the mom is like "I don't get it. I only feed him what he wants!" Then what he wants turns out to be a can of biscits, a galon of gravy, a pound each of bacon, sausage patties, sausage links, a bowl of cereal, 4 fried pies, 6 fried eggs, and a jelly bean.

That said, if my 4 year old ate all that 20 minutes later he'd be telling me he's hungry and wanting me to make him a couple of sandwiches. I can't deny him though since he's muscular with hardly any fat on him. LEt him get fat and breathe heavy when he walks though and the boy's going vegetarian.

[Blue]

Point being, if your kid is healthy then so be it. If your kid is a tub-O and you are force feeding them, you should get fined...why not

And where does that stop, Fuher? :D

Live and let live (or die).

[Crucifax Autumn]

http://www.ghostofthefuture.com/images/LardAss/lardass-05.jpg

[bonkuba]

heres an idea, why dont we let moms and dads decide what their kids can eat

Winner!!!!! I dont understand why this crap is even an issue......idiots with too much time on their hands....as is evident in the broke a** state.

Again, one of the stupidest things I have ever read.....do something worthwhile....idiots.

[texaspokieokie]

Point being, if your kid is healthy then so be it. If your kid is a tub-O and you are force feeding them, you should get fined...why not

just more government intrusion.

[StoopTroup]

When they ban sucking dicks in a parade I'm gonna go see the Haight Ashbury district. I heard it has some pretty weird history.

http://ohhburn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/haight_ashbury666.jpg

[texaspokieokie]

i've heard that area was cleaned up many years ago. well, at least no more hippies. thy all (like jerry brown) grew up.

[StoopTroup]

Yeah I figure it's about like Roswell New Mexico was. Tourist Trap that sells Tye Dyed T-shirts and knock off Black Light Posters. :D

[Harry Beanbag]

I'm ok with this move. We have a serious epidemic of tubby little kids in this country. And tubby kids turn into fat adults, who develop diabetes, heart disease, and a whole crapton of other conditions that mean they're a financial drain on our health system. Which our taxes have to pay for.

So, them not being fatties is cheaper for me in the long run.


Right, because this idiotic law will totally mean kids in San Francisco will never eat cheeseburgers, mcnuggets, and french fries ever again. :rolleyes:

[StoopTroup]

This will surely spur more Hamburglings.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Right, because this idiotic law will totally mean kids in San Francisco will never eat cheeseburgers, mcnuggets, and french fries ever again. :rolleyes:

This....my kids love mcdonald's and don't care about the toy...they open it and then leave it there.

instead of toys, they can put crayons or whatever else and i think most kids would be happy

[StoopTroup]

What about penis enlargers? Are those toys?

[Leroy Lizard]

What about penis enlargers? Are those toys?

Remind me to stay away from whichever McD's you visit.

[StoopTroup]

Remind me to stay away from whichever McD's you visit.

No worries here....they are on teh ban list in my Family.

[GrapevineSooner]

Nothing wrong with this at all...

No one is going to stop eating fast food.

So basically, this law will not have it's intended effect.

Which makes it an ineffective law.

[Jacie]

As your average McD's sells a boatload of Happy Meals on any given day, it sure as heck will affect something . . .

[StoopTroup]

More toys for the rest of California?

[jumperstop]

He said the industry could respond in a number of ways to the ordinance. Some might continue to include toys but charge separately for them. Others might reformulate their meals so that they comply with the law. Restaurants might also simply stop offering children's meals altogether, he said.

All this is going to do is cause kids to start eating the adult value meal items instead. So much for trying to limit a child's portion size. Good job stupid California.

[GrapevineSooner]

As your average McD's sells a boatload of Happy Meals on any given day, it sure as heck will affect something . . .

My daughter gets happy meals because she likes the food. Sure, she gets a toy with it.

But that gets her attention for about 22 minutes and 17 seconds.

Course, we limit the times we go to McDonald's. I believe that's called 'parenting', which has a far greater effect on keeping kids healthy than banning toys in Happy Meals.

[PDXsooner]

This thread is dripping with hypocrisy.

We make it illegal for our kids to buy (or smoke) cigarettes. We make it illegal for kids to drink alcohol. Fast food is horribly unhealthy, causing adult onset diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, and all types of nasty health side effects.

Do you want to pay increased health premiums and medical costs to keep up with all the fat asses who continue to gorge themselves with this disgusting "food"? I know I don't. And I get it, it's America, we do what we want. Great! But why entice or trick children into this habit with the lure of shiny toys?

[PDXsooner]

heres an idea, why dont we let moms and dads decide what their kids can eat

Agreed. Do you feel the same about adults who want to smoke pot? Just curious.

[GrapevineSooner]

Agreed. Do you feel the same about adults who want to smoke pot? Just curious.

Yes. Yes I do, so long as it's within the confines of their own domiciles.

Or at a Pink Floyd concert.

[PDXsooner]

Yes. Yes I do, so long as it's within the confines of their own domiciles.

Or at a Pink Floyd concert.

:)

[badger]

This thread is dripping with hypocrisy.

We make it illegal for our kids to buy (or smoke) cigarettes. We make it illegal for kids to drink alcohol. Fast food is horribly unhealthy, causing adult onset diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, and all types of nasty health side effects.

Do you want to pay increased health premiums and medical costs to keep up with all the fat asses who continue to gorge themselves with this disgusting "food"? I know I don't. And I get it, it's America, we do what we want. Great! But why entice or trick children into this habit with the lure of shiny toys?

Reading through this thread, I don't think it's about giving kids fatty food - it's about how silly this law is.

Kids will no longer get toys with meals, but they will still get all of the crappy calories and fat that they ever got. Just no toy. Fat? Yes. Calories? Yes. Toy? No.

I wish more people ate healthy or just worked out more. I killed myself on the treadmill this morning surrounded by people that probably agree. But taking away a toy will not have the intended effect of causing kids to eat healthier.

[StoopTroup]

Just back from Braums. I got the Bacon Cheeseburger and substituted the pop for the Chocolate Shake but forgoed the $1 upcharge for the Make it a large.

No toy. Great Shake. French Fries Rawk.

McDs....no shakes. Pretty stupid.

[jumperstop]

Just back from Braums. I got the Bacon Cheeseburger and substituted the pop for the Chocolate Shake but forgoed the $1 upcharge for the Make it a large.

No toy. Great Shake. French Fries Rawk.

McDs....no shakes. Pretty stupid.

Braum's is one of my favorite places to get a burger.

[NormanPride]

My crappy lunch bowl doesn't come with a toy. Stupid crappy lunch bowl.

[jumperstop]

My crappy lunch bowl doesn't come with a toy. Stupid crappy lunch bowl.

Maybe if it had more sugar, fat, and calories it would.

[Collier11]

just more government intrusion.

thats my point though, if they are going to do something stupid like this they might as well go to the root of the problem. I dont like it but I can see it happening

[NormanPride]

I have tons of fat, sugar and calories. I have no toy. FML.

[diegosooner]

Have they banned krispy kreme donuts yet?

[stoops the eternal pimp]

This thread is dripping with hypocrisy.

We make it illegal for our kids to buy (or smoke) cigarettes. We make it illegal for kids to drink alcohol. Fast food is horribly unhealthy, causing adult onset diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, and all types of nasty health side effects.


So to be clear, you are equating giving children cigarettes or alcohol to getting them a happy meal?

[PDXsooner]

So to be clear, you are equating giving children cigarettes or alcohol to getting them a happy meal?

Tobacco for certain. Alcohol, not as much. I might even argue that fast food is WORSE than tobacco.

[PDXsooner]

Reading through this thread, I don't think it's about giving kids fatty food - it's about how silly this law is.

Kids will no longer get toys with meals, but they will still get all of the crappy calories and fat that they ever got. Just no toy. Fat? Yes. Calories? Yes. Toy? No.

I wish more people ate healthy or just worked out more. I killed myself on the treadmill this morning surrounded by people that probably agree. But taking away a toy will not have the intended effect of causing kids to eat healthier.

Yeah, maybe. But I'm pointing out the rationale for making it a law. I don't actually agree with the law, but there's some merit to the philosophy.

[jumperstop]

I watched Super Size Me about a week ago cause I had never seen it before. Really it didn't make me think McDonald's was disgusting, it just made me go buy a Double Quarter Pounder Meal for an after meal snack.

[waynepayne]

Still am. Who in here didn't love candy cigarettes as a kid?

walking down the street with that and a bottle of IBC rootbeer I thought I was hot ****e.

[TUSooner]

I'm just delighted to know that SF has solved all of its other problems so that it is free to deal with the dietary troubles of its children.
~ <pause> ~

In a way, it's kinda like the sharia law deal: The underlying idea is fine, but did they have to pass a law about it?

[StoopTroup]

I watched Super Size Me about a week ago cause I had never seen it before. Really it didn't make me think McDonald's was disgusting, it just made me go buy a Double Quarter Pounder Meal for an after meal snack.

You are officially now a "FATTY" :D

[Leroy Lizard]

I'm just delighted to know that SF has solved all of its other problems so that it is free to deal with the dietary troubles of its children.
~ <pause> ~

In a way, it's kinda like the sharia law deal: The underlying idea is fine, but did they have to pass a law about it?

If they don't want the kids to get Happy Meals, then ban the sale of Happy Meals to kids. Take the hard-line stand, stick to your guns, and be prepared for what will happen.

But to take away the toy is pointless, because kids ultimately want the fatty food and that is still available to them. It's like trying to stamp out cocaine by banning the fancy mirrors with the unicorn etched in them. Maybe you have taken away some of the enjoyment of cocaine snorting, but the drug is still available and it's the drug that the people really want.

[StoopTroup]

As long as the kids can still get Coke with their happy meal....it's OK.

[jumperstop]

You are officially now a "FATTY" :D

I like food WAY too much. :D

[Collier11]

Agreed. Do you feel the same about adults who want to smoke pot? Just curious.

Yes, I dont think Pot is all that harmful...like ive said many times, if Alcohol is legal then pot should be

[StoopTroup]

Lortabs really seem OK too. It's mixing the alcohol the pot and the loritabs that seem to get folks in trouble.

[jumperstop]

Loritabs really seem OK too. It's mixing the alcohol the pot and the loritabs that seem to get folks in trouble.

Loritabs are great when mixed with pot and alcohol.

[StoopTroup]

Loritabs are great when mixed with pot and alcohol.

Thank you for making my point...lol

[LosAngelesSooner]

Oh no...the government wants our kids to eat healthy so they won't be ginormous fatties who die young and drain our economy.

Evil government. :rolleyes:

I'm sure glad some of you guys are here to defend poor, helpless McDonald's.

[StoopTroup]

I'm against Parades.

[Leroy Lizard]

Oh no...the government wants our kids to eat healthy so they won't be ginormous fatties who die young and drain our economy.

Evil government. :rolleyes:

I'm sure glad some of you guys are here to defend poor, helpless McDonald's.

McD's will complain as is expected of them, but ultimately all this does is just remove an additional business expense as long as it affects their competitors as well. The number of McD's in SF will not drop, and their revenue won't either. And to them and McD's shareholders, that's all that matters.

[Collier11]

Oh no...the government wants our kids to eat healthy so they won't be ginormous fatties who die young and drain our economy.

Evil government. :rolleyes:

I'm sure glad some of you guys are here to defend poor, helpless McDonald's.

Look up, the point is flying right over your head

[LosAngelesSooner]

Or, maybe, they'll start offering a healthy happy meal to kids WITH a toy? You know...give lower income families a healthy alternative choice?

God forbid. :rolleyes:

[LosAngelesSooner]

Look up, the point is flying right over your headNo, it's not. People are mad that the gubmint said Happy Meals are unhealthy and that they can't ply kids to eat crap with toys.

Same logic made Joe The Camel illegal.

[Collier11]

No, people are mad because it isnt the govts place to tell us what to eat or to tell us how our kids can eat. Maybe if the govt really cared they would fund PE in schools again and stop trying to take away recess, eh?

[jumperstop]

McD's will complain as is expected of them, but ultimately all this does is just remove an additional business expense as long as it affects their competitors as well. The number of McD's in SF will not drop, and their revenue won't either. And to them and McD's shareholders, that's all that matters.

That'd be me. So I'm allowed to complain about this law? Really though, I don't give a ****. Like you said, one little law in a California isn't hurting McDonald's one bit. It's just dumb that they think removing the toy will do anything. How about that fact that as humans we are hardwired to get all the sugar, fat, and calories we can? The kids like the food, the toy just keeps them entertained while eating dinner.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Oh, so you don't think we should have a Food and Drug Administration or any type of health department?

Let the free market decide what's healthy or not? And let us eat whatever we want, no matter the consequences?

Awesome.

[Blue]

It's called Freedom.

[Collier11]

Wrong argument my man, of course we need oversight to make sure are arent ingesting poisonous foods or drugs, I think we all know fast food is bad for us though and as long as fast food is legal which it still is, they shouldnt be allowed to tell parents they cant feed their kids fast food

[TUSooner]

Or, maybe, they'll start offering a healthy happy meal to kids WITH a toy? You know...give lower income families a healthy alternative choice?

God forbid. :rolleyes:

Indeed, look for McDonald's to re-engineer happy meals by throwing in some apple slices or something. They're always willing to oblige, because it's be good marketing.

[Leroy Lizard]

Or, maybe, they'll start offering a healthy happy meal to kids WITH a toy? You know...give lower income families a healthy alternative choice?

God forbid. :rolleyes:

Ultimately, its all about calories. So McD's can simply drop the portion size and still charge the same amount. As long as their competitors are forced to do the same, it's win-win.

There's another reason I don't think the law will really help. It is about calories, and if the calories are lower kids will just eat more to insatiate their appetite. So after the Happy Meal, they get the ice cream cone.

To trim our bellies we need to change our attitude about food and what we feed our kids.

Oddly enough, I'm on LAS' side on this issue in that I think the government can regulate our food intake to some reasonable degree. I just don't think the new law will help. It's typical shortsighted legislation that is more symbolic than meaningful.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

No, people are mad because it isnt the govts place to tell us what to eat or to tell us how our kids can eat. Maybe if the govt really cared they would fund PE in schools again and stop trying to take away recess, eh?

I don't know about other states, but I think California has gone too far with the PE requirements. A student is required to take 4 years of PE in high school, although one can be exempt from 2 years of it if one passes 5 out of 6 fitness indicators on a fitness test.

So Johnny might have to skip taking AP Physics cause he still needs another PE class in his schedule.

One damned PE class in high school is enough. Selective universities don't give a damn about PE.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

I guess I was lucky. Both of my kids at early ages figured out the McDonalds sucked.

[TUSooner]

**** It's typical shortsighted legislation that is more symbolic than meaningful.

Kinda like.... oh, forget it.

[jumperstop]

I guess I was lucky. Both of my kids at early ages figured out the McDonalds sucked.

Well if you say that a lot sounds like they may have gotten that from you and the fact you have take them there instead. If you don't like it and don't eat it a lot, your kids probably won't....

[Collier11]

I don't know about other states, but I think California has gone too far with the PE requirements. A student is required to take 4 years of PE in high school, although one can be exempt from 2 years of it if one passes 5 out of 6 fitness indicators on a fitness test.

So Johnny might have to skip taking AP Physics cause he still needs another PE class in his schedule.

One damned PE class in high school is enough. Selective universities don't give a damn about PE.

Im talking about in Grade School and MIddle school

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

First of all, Why can't McDonald's just keep serving whatever the hell they want. It isn't like city of San Francisco is going to send in a SWAT team to shut down their illegal toy enterprise.

[TUSooner]

First of all, Why can't McDonald's just keep serving whatever the hell they want. It isn't like city of San Francisco is going to send in a SWAT team to shut down their illegal toy enterprise.

I dunno. Inside every liberal do-gooder is a Storm Trooper waiting to get out! I learned this from a long-time social worker. :D

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Ahhh, who can be surprised really? This is the city that thought Jim Jones was a great man with wonderful ideas.

[Collier11]

San Fran has always been ahead of the curve when it comes to Dumb Sh*ttedness

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Well if you say that a lot sounds like they may have gotten that from you and the fact you have take them there instead. If you don't like it and don't eat it a lot, your kids probably won't....

My apologies if you are a McDonalds shareholder.

To be clear, I support McDonalds rights to sell sh*ty food with or without toys. I believe in free markets.

Politburos, whether in San Francisco or in OKC, should stay the f*ck out of the way of commerce. Just build the damned roads then get out of the way.

[PDXsooner]

San Francisco is one of our great American cities. Weird? Yes. Off-the-wall? Yes. But a great, great city.

[Leroy Lizard]

San Francisco is one of our great American cities. Weird? Yes. Off-the-wall? Yes. But a great, great city.

Hate it.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

And not only should McDonald be able to sell toys with its meals, it should be able to hire whoever it wants to be employees. In that respect, San Francisco is more enlightened and free-market oriented. It has a hands-off policy on policing the hotel-and-restaurant industry serving the all-important and economically valuable tourist and convention industries.


But don't act like San Francisco has a monopoly on silly laws inhibiting commerce.... we could always discuss Oklahoma liquor laws.

[tator]

This law doesn't stop anyone from selling toys, it stops them from giving a toy away for free with a meal that doesn't meet the set nutritional standards. All they have to do is sell the toy for a penny. Or sell the toy and give the happy meal for free. This is a law that is aimed at making a statement more than anything, not making any actual change.

McDonald's already offers apple slices and juice as opposed to fries and pop. Guess what kids pick if they're asked?

My problem with this law is that the problem doesn't need to be solved. It's a waste of time and money (albeit San Francisco's time and money). And, more importantly, I don't think that diet is the cause of the obesity problem. I think sedentary activities (video games, computer, tv, etc) and the lack of a PE system in alot of schools.

[OUthunder]

Put condoms in the happy meal. Can be a blow up toy or birth control. Win win.

[Leroy Lizard]

And not only should McDonald be able to sell toys with its meals, it should be able to hire whoever it wants to be employees.

Within PC limits, of course.

[badger]

lack of a PE system in alot of schools.

Very disappointing really. But, after generations of jocks being unkind to the nerds, the nerds in charge deemed athletic activity a bad thing :(



:P

[Harry Beanbag]

McDonald's already offers apple slices and juice as opposed to fries and pop. Guess what kids pick if they're asked?

The 1 or 2 times a month we take the boy to McDonald's he always gets apples and milk instead of fries and soda. He happens to like it better that way, but he doesn't really have the choice because we order it for him. I really don't think it's going to hurt him. And the toys suck anyway, it's just a tradition that they have toys in them.

And I love the inconsistent hypocrisy of the people complaining about health care costs when they are the same ones that don't see a problem with the tens of millions of illegals here freeloading off the rest of us.

[olevetonahill]

I guess I was lucky. Both of my kids at early ages figured out the McDonalds sucked.

What they like Taco bell instead?;)

[SanJoaquinSooner]

What they like Taco bell instead?;)

They can find something on Taco Bell's menu to eat, but it's pretty far down the list of choices. Not only is Taco Bell not high on their list, but neither is Mexican food.

They prefer Italian/pizza, Japanese, and some aspects of Americana, but not much in the area of fast food.

[Crucifax Autumn]

If I ran MacDonalds I'd replace the toy with a pack of smokes or a bottle of liquor and see what they have to say about that!

[olevetonahill]

They can find something on Taco Bell's menu to eat, but it's pretty far down the list of choices. Not only is Taco Bell not high on their list, but neither is Mexican food.

They prefer Italian/pizza, Japanese, and some aspects of Americana, but not much in the area of fast food.

Tamales aint Italian :P

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Tamales aint Italian :P

We make tamales from scratch every Christmas but neither of my kids eat them.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

some people like the red sauce and some like the green sauce.

Olevet is real big on the red sauce lately. The red bug crawled up his a##. apparently.

[TUSooner]

We make tamales from scratch every Christmas but neither of my kids eat them.

I'll PEEM my address.

[olevetonahill]

some people like the red sauce and some like the green sauce.

Olevet is real big on the red sauce lately. The red bug crawled up his a##. apparently.

Tole ya I re read that thread where ya dissed the Flag and got Pizzed off all over again .;)

[Crucifax Autumn]

You guys make me laugh.

[olevetonahill]

We make tamales from scratch every Christmas but neither of my kids eat them.

a true story jaun
My friend who lived in Fl. had a Tex mex restaurant, they made tamales from scratch, I went to see him with My Dog, a big ole Black lab /shepherd mix.

His Illegal beaner helper set out some frozen Tamale meat to thaw out . Ole Bear came by saw it said HMMMMM smells good . He picked the Bucket up and took it way out back and chowed down . ate all 5 LBS of it ;)

[SanJoaquinSooner]

a true story jaun
My friend who lived in Fl. had a Tex mex restaurant, they made tamales from scratch, I went to see him with My Dog, a big ole Black lab /shepherd mix.

His Illegal beaner helper set out some frozen Tamale meat to thaw out . Ole Bear came by saw it said HMMMMM smells good . He picked the Bucket up and took it way out back and chowed down . ate all 5 LBS of it ;)

Sounds just like the end of that movie, The Christmas Story, where the dogs ate the Christmas turkey.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Tamales are WIN.

[olevetonahill]

Sounds just like the end of that movie, The Christmas Story, where the dogs ate the Christmas turkey.

what was funny is they spent an Hour lookin fer it instead of just gettin some more out then Lookin fer what was missing

They best be glad they dint Find it while Bear was chowing down , Hell He'd Bite me if I got around his food :eek:

[jumperstop]

My apologies if you are a McDonalds shareholder.

To be clear, I support McDonalds rights to sell sh*ty food with or without toys. I believe in free markets.

Politburos, whether in San Francisco or in OKC, should stay the f*ck out of the way of commerce. Just build the damned roads then get out of the way.

Geez man calm down. I was just saying that your kids probably don't like it cause you don't like it. If you liked it and went there with your kids they would probably like it. I don't give two ****s what you do, no wonder your red.

[olevetonahill]

Geez man calm down. I was just saying that your kids probably don't like it cause you don't like it. If you liked it and went there with your kids they would probably like it. I don't give two ****s what you do, no wonder your red.

Jumper read this thread and Ya will know My reason ;)

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100856

[SanJoaquinSooner]

I'll PEEM my address.

funny how it's legal to ship tamales from California to Oklahoma but not legal to ship a bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon.

[olevetonahill]

funny how it's legal to ship tamales from California to Oklahoma but not legal to ship a bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon.

Or OVJ , that pizzes me off.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

digging up three year old threads.

[Crucifax Autumn]

digging up three year old threads.

Everyone knows the four year old threads are better.

[olevetonahill]

digging up three year old threads.

Dude I tried to let it go, Just couldnt,
I gots a memory like this guy ;)
http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/elephant.jpg

[StoopTroup]

I like this thread.

[OUthunder]

I have a penis the size of that elephant's trunk. OK, maybe 1/32 that size. OK, maybe 1/64 that size.

[StoopTroup]

I have a penis the size of that elephant's trunk. OK, maybe 1/32 that size. OK, maybe 1/64 that size.

One heck of a San Fran happy meal for some lucky feller.....

[olevetonahill]

One heck of a San Fran happy meal for some lucky feller.....

I were gonna say Only fer the gurls then I rememberd we Talkin San Fran.:rolleyes:

[soonerbrat]

food justice?

[sooner59]

Crap. Didn't realize I was gonna stretch the page just to fit in a fat kid.

[StoopTroup]

Mangino was cute as a baby.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

GO AHEAD AND LEAVE THAT PIC UP AND MESS UP THE WHOLE SCREEN!!! ITS OK!!

[Harry Beanbag]

We make tamales from scratch every Christmas but neither of my kids eat them.


So do we. It's a huge pain in the ***, but they're really good.

[StoopTroup]

So do we. It's a huge pain in the ***, but they're really good.

The kids or the tamales? :D ;)

[Harry Beanbag]

Yes.

[StoopTroup]

:D

[Collier11]

I dont think the argument has ever been that parents should stop letting their little fat kids eat so much fast food, the issue is that it isnt the governments role to tell them that

[GrapevineSooner]

GO AHEAD AND LEAVE THAT PIC UP AND MESS UP THE WHOLE SCREEN!!! ITS OK!!

No really, it's fine.

Leave it up there.

;)

[cocoal]

you people sure love your Happy Meal toys

[soonerbrat]

Indeed, look for McDonald's to re-engineer happy meals by throwing in some apple slices or something. They're always willing to oblige, because it's be good marketing.

they already do this! you can get apples instead of fries, and milk or apple juice instead of coke. it's up to the parents to make sure they eat the healthier choices.

[soonerbrat]

why don't we just install microchips in everyone, and then the fast food restaurants can scan them and keep track of how many times they have fast food in a month. Then if they reach their limit, the fast food restaurant can refuse service. Problem solved.