Elections 2010, the Veritittays take.

[Veritas]

Republican Winners: Don't get smug. You didn't win a landslide. You were granted a stay of execution. If you screw this up and forget about your constitutional, conservative roots that got you elected then the Republican party is DEAD forever. You've got two years. Good Luck.

Democratic Losers: Don't worry, the GOP will probably toss it into the ditch. What you've got is a wakeup call, but you're probably going to hit the snooze button by writing the losses off to economy rather than your actions over the last couple years. Your leader is a putz. Own it and you can probably get it all back in 2012.

California: http://www.uhaul.com/

[soonerscuba]

Republican Winners: Don't get smug. You didn't win a landslide. You were granted a stay of execution. If you screw this up and forget about your constitutional, conservative roots that got you elected then the Republican party is DEAD forever. You've got two years. Good Luck.I am very curious to see what happens on the Republican end, because a House majority doesn't mean you're going to force your party's kookiest agenda into law. There will have to compromise, and I don't think the Tea Party is much cotton to that.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I like compromise. There's far too little of it going on nowadays.

[47straight]

I like gridlock. It minimizes the damage that any one party can do.

[Sooner98]

I like gridlock. It minimizes the damage that any one party can do.

This.

Does anyone remember the economic boon that occurred in the 90's with a Dem prez, and a Pub congress? Gridlock forever!

[badger]

Nebraska: http://www.bigten.org/

:P

[soonerscuba]

This.

Does anyone remember the economic boon that occurred in the 90's with a Dem prez, and a Pub congress? Gridlock forever!Good thing the internet or asset securitization didn't have anything to do with it.

[Scott D]

Thanks Jim Rome ;)

[TUSooner]

I like gridlock. It minimizes the damage that any one party can do.

yep

[Sooner5030]

because a House majority doesn't mean you're going to force your party's kookiest agenda into law.

If centrist agendas have brought us $1.6 & $1.4 trillion deficits then I welcome a ‘kookie’ agenda. Please end this madness and explain to the public that we have to charge them more and provide them less.

[StoopTroup]

Once I saw the Boner cry about getting Pelosi's job...I realized that indeed they had all had to suck the Witches tittay for so long that they were near their breaking point. It was hard to watch him come unraveled. The pubs better find someone stable and quick.

[soonerscuba]

If centrist agendas have brought us $1.6 & $1.4 trillion deficits then I welcome a ‘kookie’ agenda. Please end this madness and explain to the public that we have to charge them more and provide them less.I look forward to seeing this group of Republicans get tough on deficits and spending. Wink, wink, this time we are super-duper cereal about it.

I would exercise a large degree of caution to politicians that claim they can do something that is even possible. There are not going to be reduced deficits without politically untenable, massive cuts in spending, or slightly less politically untenable increases in taxes that will probably be misappropriated anyway.

[Ike]

Republican Winners: Don't get smug. You didn't win a landslide. You were granted a stay of execution. If you screw this up and forget about your constitutional, conservative roots that got you elected then the Republican party is DEAD forever. You've got two years. Good Luck.

Democratic Losers: Don't worry, the GOP will probably toss it into the ditch. What you've got is a wakeup call, but you're probably going to hit the snooze button by writing the losses off to economy rather than your actions over the last couple years. Your leader is a putz. Own it and you can probably get it all back in 2012.

California: http://www.uhaul.com/

I'm not so sure about the bolded part. Certainly not the dead forever part. I think that what happens to unemployment and the economy in general will have more to do with it than government accounting. If somehow the economy comes back in the next two years, and unemployment is at least on it's way down, then the Republicans can claim at least partial victory (and maybe more if their spinmeisters do a good job), and that will probably (rightly or wrongly) be enough to get the current batch re-elected, and give them a shot at the presidency. Maybe even some gains...but it will basically come down to who's spinmeisters do a better job of claiming victory. If the pubs go for gridlock and the economy improves, they will probably have the upper hand. If they actually get some things passed, then it's a bit of a free for all, as the dems will have bills that got passed that they voted for that they can claim were vital to improving the economy (whether they actually did anything to help or not).

If on the other hand, the economy stays stagnant or gets worse, I think the republicans will be at a significant disadvantage in 2012 IF they choose to take the gridlock route. (as it will be easier for the dems to say XXX would have helped, but the republicans kept standing in the way with ridiculous demands) If the economy gets worse or stays stagnant and they actually work across the aisle to get some things done, well, then again, it probably going to be a free for all with the spinmeisters, but they may have the upper hand in that battle.

[Sooner98]

Good thing the internet or asset securitization didn't have anything to do with it.

Exactly. Gridlock prevented the government from screwing it up. Yay private sector!

[Veritas]

Thanks Jim Rome ;)
I don't listen to that hack.

[TUSooner]

Based on statements form GOP Congressmen, their aim is to bang their heads against a wall trying to get a flat-out repeal of all of Obamacare, and then when that fails, cutting off funds, and -- my favorite -- starting a slew of new Congressional "investigations" of Dems, probably to sniff out some more adulterous oral sex. I guess they figure they were elected to act like impetuous brats. If they opt for brattiness over sensible conservative policy reforms (like measured modifications of Obamacare, for example) the donkeys will rebound big-time in 2012. I see their mistake as thinking, like the Dems, that each election is an irrevocable mandate to do whatever they want, no matter how extreme -- forever. Have none of them studied history? The American electorate may be fickle and often ignorant, but they know what they DON'T like, and they eventually get fed up with a steady diet of horse crap from anyone. I fear GOP hubris is eager to manifest itself to he detriment of the Nation.

[Jerk]

I look forward to seeing this group of Republicans get tough on deficits and spending. Wink, wink, this time we are super-duper cereal about it.

I would exercise a large degree of caution to politicians that claim they can do something that is even possible. There are not going to be reduced deficits without politically untenable, massive cuts in spending, or slightly less politically untenable increases in taxes that will probably be misappropriated anyway.

Dude, it's got to happen, one way or the other. China is not going to keep buying our bonds forever, especially with the announcement of QE2. It's going to happen. Either the hard way, or the very hard way. This nation has hit the friggin' wall, and it's made of interest payments and debt.

We are Greece. Soon. If the Dollar wasn't the world's reserve currency, we'd be there already.

[Jerk]

Based on statements form GOP Congressmen, their aim is to bang their heads against a wall trying to get a flat-out repeal of all of Obamacare, and then when that fails, cutting off funds, and -- my favorite -- starting a slew of new Congressional "investigations" of Dems, probably to sniff out some more adulterous oral sex. I guess they figure they were elected to act like impetuous brats. If they opt for brattiness over sensible conservative policy reforms (like measured modifications of Obamacare, for example) the donkeys will rebound big-time in 2012. I see their mistake as thinking, like the Dems, that each election is an irrevocable mandate to do whatever they want, no matter how extreme -- forever. Have none of them studied history? The American electorate may be fickle and often ignorant, but they know what they DON'T like, and they eventually get fed up with a steady diet of horse crap from anyone. I fear GOP hubris is eager to manifest itself to he detriment of the Nation.

You're brother is a lot smarter than you are.

Just sayin':pop:

[Jerk]

The Fed wouldn't be doing QE2 if they didn't think that we are ****ed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE6A301Q20101104

Gold and oil will go through the friggin roof now. Add on the tax increases beginning next year and these are the ingredients needed to finish off the middle class.

If I were an investment advisor today, I'd recommend commodities: specifically lead and brass.

[hipsterdoofus]

I like gridlock. It minimizes the damage that any one party can do.

That's what is funny...we'd probably be better off if we could send them all home so they'd quit screwin stuff up.

[Jerk]

That's what is funny...we'd probably be better off if we could send them all home so they'd quit screwin stuff up.

One of the funniest bumper stickers I've ever seen was up in Tulsa on some pos crossing the Arkansas River on I-44.

It said "Don't vote. You'll encourage the bastards"

[TUSooner]

You're brother is a lot smarter than you are.

Just sayin':pop:

He's a better man than either of us, that much I know.

Anyway, the GOP has got to govern a lot of people who don't follow their party line (to the extent they have a discernible one). As long as they play "punch the tar donkey" and pander to the simple-minded instead of figuring out how to implement some sensible financial policies through the politcal process, they'll get tossed out like 2010 never happened.

And if you expect something good to happen outside the existing political process, well.... Frankly, jerk, I think you're almost to where you'd just as soon resolve it all with "lead and brass." Your fervent ideology, plus your despair over the electorate's refusal to see its wisdom, is leading you to the edge of the abyss. I used to be out there looking over the edge myself. I still get torked over a lot of political horse crap, and the seemingly irreversible abdication of sound government in favor of bread and circuses, and in the pandering to prejudice instead of helpful policies. But in the end, man's puny ways are not worth quite so much trouble and anxiety, my friend. You're a Christian, so I'll tell you what I tell myself and what I told my brother when he was getting all worked up over Obamacare:


Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save. When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing. Blessed are those whose help is the God of Jacob, whose hope is in the LORD their God.

Now, if I could only remember that before I lay into the keyboard. :O

[okie52]

Thanks Jim Rome ;)

For what?

[StoopTroup]

We break the World....fixing it is what we should do.....but we don't. We are pretty lousy at fixing it because breaking it is a lot more fun and beer makes breaking it even more fun.

I've noticed though that some folks do help pick-up after a tailgate sometimes so there is hope for us IMO. :D

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

measured modifications of Obamacare
:D Ohhh yea, baby!

[TUSooner]

:D Ohhh yea, baby!

Typical parrot eloquence -- SQUAWWWK!!! Have a cracker. :rolleyes:

Do you really think the GOP will succeed in fully repealing it against a Dem Senate and President?
Even the GOP leaders are not that naive. That's why they have Plan B to cut off funding piecemeal. And that may not go over as well in the whole country as you think. But then, the ideological barking dogs happily sacrifice what's good in the vain pursuit of impossible "perfection."

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Typical parrot eloquence -- SQUAWWWK!!! Have a cracker. :rolleyes:

...barking dogs...Am I a name-caller if I point out that leftists are seemingly COMPELLED to call conservatives names?

[Scott D]

For what?

well until rlimc joined this thread people had takes that didn't suck..Veritittays needs to get on that issue. :D

[Howzit]

Meanwhile, while we are in gridlock, while we are getting nothing done with regard to alternative fuels, while we are not moving forward with - anything, China chuuuugs along and continues to replace as the world's big boy.

While no one can agree on whether or how to police/regulate the entities that got us into this mess to start with, while one side tries to fix things by spending us to Bolivia, while the president and those in power on both sides of Congress bicker over petty bull****, us average Joes get ****ed.

In. The. ***.

This is ****ing stupid.

[bigfatjerk]

The republicans need to actually change and cut spending or try to cut spending or they are a dead party IMO. I may never vote republican or democrat if the republicans return to the ways they were in 00-06. If they switch to being a party of spending cuts that's a good step and they will get rewarded.

But I think it'll be harder for the democrats to recover from this then they did in in the 90s because of how many seats the republicans won at the state level. The republican won almost 700 seats at the state level and this is a redistricting year. That's where the democrats really lost big.

[TUSooner]

Am I a name-caller if I point out that leftists are seemingly COMPELLED to call conservatives names?

I am not a leftist, but I do feel compelled to call you Rush's Parrot, because it fits.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The republicans need to actually change and cut spending or try to cut spending or they are a dead party IMO. I may never vote republican or democrat if the republicans return to the ways they were in 00-06. If they switch to being a party of spending cuts that's a good step and they will get rewarded.

But I think it'll be harder for the democrats to recover from this then they did in in the 90s because of how many seats the republicans won at the state level. The republican won almost 700 seats at the state level and this is a redistricting year. That's where the democrats really lost big.The Truth!

[Scott D]

you know who else thought that was the truth?

hitler.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I am not a leftist, but I do feel compelled to call you Rush's Parrot, because it fits.1) On the spectrum, left of center 2) backwards, as usual. It's why he has been so popular for so long. He beautifully articulates the opinions of SO many Americns.

[soonerscuba]

1) On the spectrum, left of center 2) backwards, as usual. It's why he has been so popular for so long. He beautifully articulates the opinions of SO many Americns.Fap fap fap.

[bigfatjerk]

you know who else thought that was the truth?

hitler.

Hitler would be on the far left in American political ideology. But then again so are a lot of republicans today.

[soonerscuba]

Hitler would be on the far left in American political ideology. But then again so are a lot of republicans today.Nuh-huh, everybody know Nazis are just Republicans that don't mind being called a fag cause they're wearing Hugo Boss.

[bigfatjerk]

In American politics because of the beliefs of our founding fathers in European Liberalism was that less government is on one side and more government was on the other side. In Europe Fascism/corporate lead is seen as on the right. Socialism/union lead is seen as the left. There's not much of a difference between the two because they both want a central big government. If you think the Nazi's were really about smaller government you are kidding yourself.

[soonerhubs]

I am very curious to see what happens on the Republican end, because a House majority doesn't mean you're going to force your party's kookiest agenda into law. There will have to compromise, and I don't think the Tea Party is much cotton to that.

It takes three majorities to get that type of agenda passed. ;)

[soonerscuba]

It takes three majorities to get that type of agenda passed. ;)Well, we didn't manage to force your children into same-sex marriages, then into group marriages, of which all pregnancies would have abortions decided by bureaucracy ... this time.

BFJ, the founding fathers also thought madeira didn't taste like ****, people were property, and Canada was a force to be reckoned with. I guess my point is comparing modern day American politics to a revolutionary government, parliamentary systems, or autocratic cult of personality is apples to V-2 rockets.

[bigfatjerk]

I aknowledge that the times were different but principles don't change. Smaller government is the way to go because big government doesn't work. Look at Europe right now they are falling apart trying to cut spending.

[Scott D]

I aknowledge that the times were different but principles don't change. Smaller government is the way to go because big government doesn't work. Look at Europe right now they are falling apart trying to cut spending.

Europe is falling apart right now because of....you guessed it.

Hitler.

[Jerk]

I aknowledge that the times were different but principles don't change. Smaller government is the way to go because big government doesn't work. Look at Europe right now they are falling apart trying to cut spending.

Hell, just look at California. They are going to be a real life example of something that's not sustainable to a lot of the idiots around here.

Of course, they'll reply that taxes just weren't high enough.

How much more obvious can it be that high taxes, stiff regulations against the private sector, and a giant welfare state is the ultimate recipe for failure?

I heard liberalism is genetic so I guess it's no use in arguing with these people.

[bigfatjerk]

Real liberalism is freedom. But the terms been bastadised so bad it's come to mean the exact opposite.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

California: http://www.uhaul.com/



Hell, just look at California. They are going to be a real life example of something that's not sustainable to a lot of the idiots around here.

Of course, they'll reply that taxes just weren't high enough.

How much more obvious can it be that high taxes, stiff regulations against the private sector, and a giant welfare state is the ultimate recipe for failure?

I heard liberalism is genetic so I guess it's no use in arguing with these people.


Let me tell you what makes me optimistic about California. It didn't get a lot of attention outside California, but the Proposition that did away with the 2/3 super majority required to pass a state budget is going to change political dynamics in a big way. The donks are completely in control of the budget now and don't need to compromise with the pubs. If they try to maintain status quo in spending by raising taxes they will be thrown out of office in subsequent elections. They have to cut spending to survive.

Brown is the perfect Democrat to do it. Yeah, he was a Rose Bird liberal back in the day when everyone was a liberal except Goldwater and W. F. Buckley. Even Nixon implemented wage-price controls to dampened inflation. But now Brown is the guy who can reform public employee salaries, benefits and pension plans which are clearly unsustainable. Education will get more than the pubs would like however. He'll try to facilitate private green jobs.

And lizard, I know you lived in CA when Brown was gov the last time. But he is no longer in his 30s. Since then he's been an attorney general and a mayor and he's in his 70s - worth something for wisdom. He's a bike riding lib rather than a limo lib.

Brown said during the campaign he wouldn't raise taxes unless the voters voted to do so. After the election he noted, "The voters last night turned down a mere $18-a-year car tax by about 60 percent, so I would say that the electorate is in no mood to add to their burdens."