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Bourbon St Sooner
11/4/2010, 12:54 PM
And why it won't get fixed.

I'm not one to post articles on here, but this ones got a lot of truth in it that people in this country need to come to grips with.

The truth about social security.

The fact is, the Social Security trust fund has $3 trillion of paper IOUs issued by the Treasury Department over the last 70 years, but not one dime of real money. Over that time span, we collected a modest excess of payroll taxes over current-year benefit payments, and spent the excess cash on cotton subsidies, student loans, and aircraft carriers. It’s all long gone.

The truth is, the Social Security program is a $700 billion per year inter-generational transfer payment program in which lifetime taxes paid by current recipients bear only a faint and arbitrary relationship to benefits now being received. So when the retirement “insurance” and trust-fund fictions are cut away, the underlying program cries out to be means-tested. To be sure, that would amount to a default on the implicit social compact that has undergirded the program since its inception. But in the context of the massive fiscal retrenchment which is now unavoidable, there's no rational alternative.

The fiscal truth about the wars

On the fringes of the 75-plus greenhorns who will populate the Republican caucus, there appears to be some sentiment in favor a modern version of Senator Robert Taft’s sensible isolationism of an earlier era. At least some of the Tea Party crusaders appear to be saying, “enough of nation building and wars of occupation in the global backwaters." But wait until the neo-con thought police get done with “freshman orientation” at the Republican caucus meetings in December. The $800 billion that goes for national security and its step-child, homeland security, will be safe from assault -- at least from the anti-spending forces of the GOP.

http://www.minyanville.com/businessmarkets/articles/midterm-elections-quantitative-easing-qe2-fomc/11/4/2010/id/30936?page=1

yermom
11/4/2010, 01:17 PM
Social Security would be fine if we just kept increasing our population.

make the Messicans pay into it :D

as for isolationism, i think too many hands are in the cookie jar on that one to change too soon

Bourbon St Sooner
11/4/2010, 02:19 PM
Of course none of what's prescribed will happen. We'll just keep kicking the can down the road until it finally gets run over.

The thing I don't get about neo-cons is, how can you be for empire and say you're for a small central gov't? Those two things are incongruous.

SoonerProphet
11/4/2010, 02:31 PM
The fiscal truth about the wars

On the fringes of the 75-plus greenhorns who will populate the Republican caucus, there appears to be some sentiment in favor a modern version of Senator Robert Taft’s sensible isolationism of an earlier era. At least some of the Tea Party crusaders appear to be saying, “enough of nation building and wars of occupation in the global backwaters." But wait until the neo-con thought police get done with “freshman orientation” at the Republican caucus meetings in December. The $800 billion that goes for national security and its step-child, homeland security, will be safe from assault -- at least from the anti-spending forces of the GOP.

http://www.minyanville.com/businessmarkets/articles/midterm-elections-quantitative-easing-qe2-fomc/11/4/2010/id/30936?page=1

Seems to be one of the more pressing issues on a revitalized GOP. Will they abandon the notion of nation-building and quixotic quests to make everyone white and christian.

StoopTroup
11/4/2010, 02:42 PM
Seems to be one of the more pressing issues on a revitalized GOP. Will they abandon the notion of nation-building and quixotic quests to make everyone white and christian.

Amazing the way the thought process changes once these folks are forced to deal with reality. They campaign on how they are going to change things once they get to Washington and then they are overwhelmed in the first 10 minutes.

I think the same thing happened to President Obama. It's apparent that he at least knew what he was getting into but once the economy problems hit....a lot of his pie in the sky ideas in his campaign where tabled. The folks who thought he would be able to make changes in 1, 2, 3 or even 4 years were delusional and the folks who were pissed off at the Pubs over the last 8 years helped vote him in too. Now they've switched it up a bit the the politicians that recognize the citizens of the US are apparently waking up and throwing old timers out at the expense of them having a long career in Washington are under the gun. Boehner even cried about how he's always wanted the job he apparently seems to have. I bet it doesn't turn out to be the Dream he thought it would be however.

Cornfed
11/4/2010, 03:02 PM
Of course none of what's prescribed will happen. We'll just keep kicking the can down the road until it finally gets run over.

The thing I don't get about neo-cons is, how can you be for empire and say you're for a small central gov't? Those two things are incongruous.


The problem with that statement is assuming neo-cons are imperialistic.
Everyone I know is mostly an isolationist, why do you think it has been usually hard to goto war unless someone attacks us?

SoonerProphet
11/4/2010, 03:52 PM
why do you think it has been usually hard to goto war unless someone attacks us?

Really?

Bourbon St Sooner
11/4/2010, 04:06 PM
Seems to be one of the more pressing issues on a revitalized GOP. Will they abandon the notion of nation-building and quixotic quests to make everyone white and christian.

The further your economy goes into the ****ter, the more bogeymen you need to create to preserve your hold on power. Of course, that works better in a place like Venezuela or Russia that never had economic growth to begin with.

OklahomaTuba
11/4/2010, 04:12 PM
You think liberals really give a **** about our fiscal situation???

Bourbon St Sooner
11/4/2010, 04:18 PM
I don't think anybody gives a **** about it until it turns into a crisis. That's why, as the article says, Paul Ryan's Social Security reforms will go nowhere even in a Republican House.

SoonerProphet
11/4/2010, 04:27 PM
You think liberals really give a **** about our fiscal situation???

about as much as conservatives do. granted a few of the noobies will try to push change but they will be marginalized, the debt ceiling will be lifted, social security, mediwhateveritis, and defense spending will continue to eat away out our financial solvency.