I finally understand...

[Tulsa_Fireman]

My old man is a democrat.

I remember when he changed his party affiliation back when I was a kid. At the time, I didn't understand why he'd switch gears like that. It came off to me as an abandonment of principle, bailing on the home team. He dismissed it as being able to vote for more candidates he approved of in the primaries.

I now understand why.

This was the first time I have ever come so shockingly close to voting straight party. Straight party democrat. I have officially become disillusioned with republican leadership in Oklahoma and find myself choking on bile more and more often as state leaders continue to neuter means for municipalities to provide basic, state constitutionally mandated services while we argue about the boogeyman of sharia law coming to snatch up our children. Let our State Troopers dwindle in ever-increasing, life threatening numbers while we argue over whether or not Pedro can get a driver's manual en espanol. Watch our roads and bridges crumble into dust and rust while the Turnpike Authority cranks up the rates just a little bit higher and never passes a dime into the general fund.

I even voted for Midwest City's own Rockin' Jim Rogers as I extended my middle finger in a Johnny Cash-esque salute toward Oklahoma City, hanging it with dedication like a muslim during prayers. We don't ask for much as constituents. Roads. Fire protection. Police service. Our court system.

And this is the sh*t we get.

So screw you, you bible-thumping, mouthbreathing Oklahoma republicans. I finally understand what my old man was talking about. Die in a fire.

[kbsooner21]

Politics really brings out the best in everyone :D

[NormanPride]

TF obviously wants the terrorists to win now.

[The]

TF obviously wants the terrorists to win now.

Nazis, Dude. All the cool kids are afraid of Nazis. Again.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

TF doesn't support my Boehner

[tommieharris91]

Nazis, Dude. All the cool kids are afraid of Nazis. Again.

That's the spirit.

[soonerchk]

I thought I was a socialist? I am so confused.

[TUSooner]

****
I have officially become disillusioned with republican leadership in Oklahoma and find myself choking on bile more and more often as state leaders continue to neuter means for municipalities to provide basic, state constitutionally mandated services while we argue about the boogeyman of sharia law coming to snatch up our children. Let our State Troopers dwindle in ever-increasing, life threatening numbers while we argue over whether or not Pedro can get a driver's manual en espanol. Watch our roads and bridges crumble into dust and rust while the Turnpike Authority cranks up the rates just a little bit higher and never passes a dime into the general fund....
We don't ask for much as constituents. Roads. Fire protection. Police service. Our court system.

And this is the sh*t we get.

So screw you, you bible-thumping, mouthbreathing Oklahoma republicans. I finally understand what my old man was talking about. Die in a fire.

Hear him! This is South Oval gold, folks. Local politicians need to think locally and take care of what matters instead of pushing emotional buttons while neglecting the home ground.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Jimmy McMIllan wants to take care of you and chirrun.

breakfast
lunch
dinner
karate

[The]

http://i.imgur.com/FBvlO.jpg

[virginiasooner]

My old man is a democrat.

I remember when he changed his party affiliation back when I was a kid. At the time, I didn't understand why he'd switch gears like that. It came off to me as an abandonment of principle, bailing on the home team. He dismissed it as being able to vote for more candidates he approved of in the primaries.

I now understand why.

This was the first time I have ever come so shockingly close to voting straight party. Straight party democrat. I have officially become disillusioned with republican leadership in Oklahoma and find myself choking on bile more and more often as state leaders continue to neuter means for municipalities to provide basic, state constitutionally mandated services while we argue about the boogeyman of sharia law coming to snatch up our children. Let our State Troopers dwindle in ever-increasing, life threatening numbers while we argue over whether or not Pedro can get a driver's manual en espanol. Watch our roads and bridges crumble into dust and rust while the Turnpike Authority cranks up the rates just a little bit higher and never passes a dime into the general fund.

I even voted for Midwest City's own Rockin' Jim Rogers as I extended my middle finger in a Johnny Cash-esque salute toward Oklahoma City, hanging it with dedication like a muslim during prayers. We don't ask for much as constituents. Roads. Fire protection. Police service. Our court system.

And this is the sh*t we get.

So screw you, you bible-thumping, mouthbreathing Oklahoma republicans. I finally understand what my old man was talking about. Die in a fire.

I love my family, but I am scared to ask any of them how they voted on that Sharia law POS. I know my mother voted against it (she has a functioning brain), but I'm pretty sure that all other immediate relatives voted for it. And that just makes me sad. And it's not like they're all a bunch of out-of-touch rednecks. ALL of them are college graduates.

[soonerchk]

I'm the only one in my family who didn't vote for it. It's not easy being the voice of reason and beacon of morality for these ungrateful wretches.

[Cornfed]

I allways crack up when i read this stuff.

[okie52]

My my my. After 100 years of dem rule in this state you have a handle on OK politics.

Aside from your own self interests which you seem to feel are threatened by repubs, have you looked around the nation to see how OK is doing compared to other states?

Want to match unemployment or job growth? How about Forbes listings for that city you love or the state in general?


Forbes names Oklahoma City as nation's most affordable
Noting low costs of living and good jobs, Forbes named Oklahoma City America's Most Affordable City.
BY SUSAN SIMPSON 19
Published: November 3, 2010
At the height of the Great Recession, Forbes.com said Oklahoma City was the most recession-proof city in the country. Two and a half years later, the magazine has given the city another top ranking.

Noting low costs of living and good jobs, Forbes named Oklahoma City as America's Most Affordable City.
The magazine also noted Oklahoma City's friendly residents and an unemployment rate well below the national average, 6.3 percent compared to 9.5 percent.
"We searched for cities that had a balance of cheap living and economic prosperity — places with solid job markets, but where costs aren't prohibitive," magazine editors said. "In these cities, costs have stayed down, but residents have held onto steady incomes and decent jobs, making them a true bargain."
Forbes looked at all metropolitan statistical areas with populations of at least 100,000. They were ranked on the cost of a basket of goods and services, including groceries, health care and transportation, as of the second quarter of 2010.
The magazine also measured the monthly cost of housing as a percentage of household income.
The average sale price of an Oklahoma City-area home in September was $158,755, up 6.7 percent from September 2009, and the median price was $135,000, up 4.8 percent, according to the Oklahoma City Metro Association of Realtors.
The next four spots on the Forbes list went to Pittsburgh; Buffalo, N.Y.; Rochester, N.Y.; and Nashville, Tenn. The top 10 also includes three Texas cities: San Antonio, Houston and Austin, along with Louisville, Ky., and Birmingham, Ala.
"State capitals and university towns have vibrancy because of their job base, the stability of jobs and cultural diversification," said James Gaines, a research economist at the Real Estate Center at Texas A&M University.
Continuing praise
The ranking was the latest in a string of kudos for Oklahoma City. In October, Oklahoma City was named a Top 25 Performing City by the Milken Institute, No. 7 Best City for Income Growth by Portfolio.com, a Top 5 Fastest Growing City by Forbes and a Top 10 State for Doing Business by Area Development Magazine.

http://newsok.com/forbes-names-oklah... _story_title

Now California just voted a dem sweep in their statewide races. Maybe you should look there since that state is in excellent financial shape and embraces Pedro. In fact, you can join their city councils in their boycott of AZ.

[Cornfed]

My my my. After 100 years of dem rule in this state you have a handle on OK politics.

I think most forget this.

[okie52]

I think most forget this.

It must be a bitter pill for many of them today. Swept in the statewide elections and the state legislature became even more solidly repub.

70-31 in the house and 32-16 in the state senate. Even when OK was a dem state I don't ever remember it being that one sided.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Facepalm.

[Cornfed]

It must be a bitter pill for many of them today. Swept in the statewide elections and the state legislature became even more solidly repub.

70-31 in the house and 32-16 in the state senate. Even when OK was a dem state I don't ever remember it being that one sided.

I remember what my grandaddy allways said to me (lifelong Okie Dem)

"Son you can vote for them damn republicans but you don't have to be one!!!"

[SicEmBaylor]

http://i.imgur.com/FBvlO.jpg

Huzzah!

[okie52]

I remember what my grandaddy allways said to me (lifelong Okie Dem)

"Son you can vote for them damn republicans but you don't have to be one!!!"

:)

That's the way it's been in OK politics...dems still outnumber repubs in registered voters although repubs have been getting quite a few more now than the dems in the last decade.

[oumartin]

I almost voted straight line Republican because Dems support baby killing.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Because that's a raging, hot button state and municipal issue?

THAT'S what I'm talking about!

[Soonrboy]

Fallin reaches voters by alienating herself from Obama. People fall for it.
People fear that the Mexicans are getting too powerful, so we make English the official language. How about making grammatically correct English the official language.

Yet, the fourth grade classrooms in my building are sitting with 33 or 34 students apiece. When was the last time you tried to teach 33 10 year olds anything? We are told that teachers cannot keep refrigerators, microwaves, or those smelly plug in things in their room in order to save electricity.

But, no one can pull out the Muslim laws!

Thank God!

[Serge Ibaka]

I almost voted straight line Republican because Dems support baby killing.

Oh please. How many GOPers really care about "baby killing" and gay-marriage anyway? Sure some do--those straight-outta-Falls Creek-directorin' types--but it's surely not all of them.

It sure does stir up all of them dummies who don't care about anything else though. Amirite?

[Cornfed]

Yawn..

[Serge Ibaka]

Fallin reaches voters by alienating herself from Obama. People fall for it.
People fear that the Mexicans are getting too powerful, so we make English the official language. How about making grammatically correct English the official language.

Yet, the fourth grade classrooms in my building are sitting with 33 or 34 students apiece. When was the last time you tried to teach 33 10 year olds anything? We are told that teachers cannot keep refrigerators, microwaves, or those smelly plug in things in their room in order to save electricity.

But, no one can pull out the Muslim laws!

Thank God!

There's definitely no way that we can increase the education budget!

But we can definitely waste time/money/energy adding anti-Spanish and anti-Muslim questions to ballots. Thanks, rednecks.

Also, who paid for all of the anti SQ 744 ads anyway? Maybe they can give their money to children and stop being such jerks. :pop:

[soonerchk]

Oh please. How many GOPers really care about "baby killing" and gay-marriage anyway? Sure some do--those straight-outta-Falls Creek-directorin' types--but it's surely not all of them.

It sure does stir up all of them dummies who don't care about anything else though. Amirite?

The FallsCreekers really need to be paying more attention to all the teenagers leaving their virginity all over that joint.

[Serge Ibaka]

The FallsCreekers really need to be paying more attention to all the teenagers leaving their virginity all over that joint.

And all of the resulting abortions.

Women shouldn't have the right to choose--unless it's going to interrupt your upcoming Cheer season. Go team! Spirit fingers!

[SicEmBaylor]

I'd like to slap the next person who suggests we increase the education budget. If I had it my way, there wouldn't be public education in the first place. Short of that, teachers can learn to practice their craft in a one room building with a dirt floor and no A/C for all I care.

[Serge Ibaka]

I'd like to slap the next person who suggests we increase the education budget. If I had it my way, there wouldn't be public education in the first place. Short of that, teachers can learn to practice their craft in a one room building with a dirt floor and no A/C for all I care.

This is ignorant.

[SicEmBaylor]

This is ignorant.

I certainly see how you'd think it's a bad idea, but ignorant?
Really? What am I ignorant of precisely?

I simply do not believe in public education.

[Serge Ibaka]

I certainly see how you'd think it's a bad idea, but ignorant?
Really? What am I ignorant of precisely?

I simply do not believe in public education.

That's really weird.

[okie52]

The FallsCreekers really need to be paying more attention to all the teenagers leaving their virginity all over that joint.

As opposed to all of virginity that has been saved in high school?

[Serge Ibaka]

As opposed to all of virginity that has been saved in high school?

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146310&highlight=education

We already talked about that, bra.

Bottom line: kids like to do it with each other. Especially the evangelical Baptist kids.

[okie52]

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146310&highlight=education

We already talked about that, bra.

Bottom line: kids like to do it with each other. Especially the evangelical Baptist kids.

Oh I wasn't eliminating education, contraceptives, choice or any other preventive measures including abstinence.

If I had the power all females would have an IUD from 13-18 (males too if there was a comparable contraceptive). It would also apply to anyone that was currently on welfare.

[Zbird]

Oh I wasn't eliminating education, contraceptives, choice or any other preventive measures including abstinence.

If I had the power all females would have an IUD from 13-18 (males too if there was a comparable contraceptive). (VISEGRIPS?)
It would also apply to anyone that was currently on welfare.

Just a thought.

[soonerbub]

Sic em what would the kids do all day

[SicEmBaylor]

Sic em what would the kids do all day

Go to school.

[soonerbub]

Who would pay

[ouwasp]

well.......I've just wasted about three minutes of my life reading through this dubious thread....

But that's what the SO is all about, right?

Carry on. :)

[MR2-Sooner86]

If brains were spit, several members in this thread wouldn't be able to lick a stamp.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

I almost voted straight line Republican because Dems support baby killing.

when the pub's teenaged daughter gets knocked up, he's the first in line to get her an abortion..... don't kid yourself about that.

[oumartin]

Who would pay


No, but I hear his dad might be looking for a new son and his dad is quite generous. SicEm is like on year 12 of college.

[StoopTroup]

when the pub's teenaged daughter gets knocked up, he's the first in line to get her an abortion..... don't kid yourself about that.

That's pretty generalized sh*tty thing to say.

[TUSooner]

How about making grammatically correct English the official language....

Thanks. That made me laugh. :D :D :D

[sooner n houston]

:mad: Yea, our schools are so ****ing great and throwing money at them over and over has done so well, please lets keep it up!!!:mad:

[virginiasooner]

If brains were spit, several members in this thread wouldn't be able to lick a stamp.

Uh, you don't lick stamps anymore.

[Condescending Sooner]

Im sure if we didn't have those questions on the ballot, all the bridges would be fixed, education would be improved, and overpaid firemen would get more raises. Sheesh.

[TUSooner]

Uh, you don't lick stamps anymore.
How lucky for us spitheads!

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Hear him! This is South Oval gold, folks. Local politicians need to think locally and take care of what matters instead of pushing emotional buttons while neglecting the home ground.

This I agree with...

In Texas, we had the Lt Gov. running adverts that he was against Obamacare and how bad it was. WTF??? You are the Lt Gov, you preside over the Texas Senate, besides that, you are Gov in waiting. What the hell does Obamacare mean to you and what you do? You had some angle on the cost to the state, but that is for our state reps and senators to deal with, not you.

[lexsooner]

Man, it sounds like there was some stupid stuff on the ballot in Oklahoma. Good thing I moved out of state to a more enlightened area: Kentucky.

[NormanPride]

:mad: Yea, our schools are so ****ing great and throwing money at them over and over has done so well, please lets keep it up!!!:mad:

49th in per-student spending.

[3rdgensooner]

It's hard out there for a pimp, er, Dem in OK

[Ike]

speaking of our new ban on sharia law...

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/364378/november-03-2010/stephen-colbert-gives-you-props?xrs=share_fb

and keep an eye out for those mooooslims.

[soonerboomer93]

I certainly see how you'd think it's a bad idea, but ignorant?
Really? What am I ignorant of precisely?

I simply do not believe in public education.

This from a guy now attending a public university who's spent the last 12 years in college with no degree...

[LosAngelesSooner]

My my my. After 100 years of dem rule in this state you have a handle on OK politics.

Aside from your own self interests which you seem to feel are threatened by repubs, have you looked around the nation to see how OK is doing compared to other states?

Want to match unemployment or job growth? How about Forbes listings for that city you love or the state in general?



Now California just voted a dem sweep in their statewide races. Maybe you should look there since that state is in excellent financial shape and embraces Pedro. In fact, you can join their city councils in their boycott of AZ.
:rolleyes:

You just keep tellin' yourself that Cali is in deep trouble. Maybe that'll slow down how many danged people move here every year and I can live in my Hellscape with a little less traffic.

[olevetonahill]

:rolleyes:

You just keep tellin' yourself that Cali is in deep trouble. Maybe that'll slow down how many danged people move here every year and I can live in my Hellscape with a little less traffic.

Come LAS ya trying to say Ca. aint in trouble ?
You do know the Pot law dint pass dont ya? Dont get caught smoking whatever yer smokin :pop:

[LosAngelesSooner]

I'd like to slap the next person who suggests we increase the education budget. If I had it my way, there wouldn't be public education in the first place. Short of that, teachers can learn to practice their craft in a one room building with a dirt floor and no A/C for all I care.
For someone who hates education you sure spend a lot of time in school. :pop:

[LosAngelesSooner]

Come LAS ya trying to say Ca. aint in trouble ?
You do know the Pot law dint pass dont ya? Dont get caught smoking whatever yer smokin :pop:
The tales of Cali's demise are HIGHLY exaggerated. Seriously. Come out for a visit and you'll see.

In fact, in the time since I've moved out here the city of L.A. has so vastly improved, cleaned up, gotten safer, that it's amazing. Truly.

But I love it when people from the South and Mid-West claim that Cali is about 5 minutes from total collapse. It keeps more people from moving out here. :D

Oh, and bro...I don't smoke doobs. Cigars, yes, but doobs, no.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

49th in per-student spending.

But has some of the highest ACT scores in the area. So throwing money at edumacation doesn't exactly equal higher scores...

[TheHumanAlphabet]

The tales of Cali's demise are HIGHLY exaggerated. Seriously. Come out for a visit and you'll see.

In fact, in the time since I've moved out here the city of L.A. has so vastly improved, cleaned up, gotten safer, that it's amazing. Truly.

But I love it when people from the South and Mid-West claim that Cali is about 5 minutes from total collapse. It keeps more people from moving out here. :D

Oh, and bro...I don't smoke doobs. Cigars, yes, but doobs, no.

I would say that the California work ethic has a different standard than many of the states in the U.S. I am not passing judgement, but from my work at similar facilities we have in other states, what a California worker would say is hard or tough, is much different (and at a much lower threshold) than at our other facilities.

[olevetonahill]

The tales of Cali's demise are HIGHLY exaggerated. Seriously. Come out for a visit and you'll see.

In fact, in the time since I've moved out here the city of L.A. has so vastly improved, cleaned up, gotten safer, that it's amazing. Truly.

But I love it when people from the South and Mid-West claim that Cali is about 5 minutes from total collapse. It keeps more people from moving out here. :D

Oh, and bro...I don't smoke doobs. Cigars, yes, but doobs, no.

Inever said it was folding its tents , Im saying It has some serious money issues, Or have those magically vanished?

[okie52]

:rolleyes:

You just keep tellin' yourself that Cali is in deep trouble. Maybe that'll slow down how many danged people move here every year and I can live in my Hellscape with a little less traffic.


USA Today highlights growing number of Californians moving to Oklahoma
By Darren Currin
Columnist Darren Currin writes the blog "Oklahoma per Square Foot." See his and all our blogs at journalrecord.com/blog-hub.
Posted: 03:11 PM Tuesday, October 12, 2010

Oklahoma continues to benefit from incredibly strong publicity in the national media thanks to its stable economy and improved quality of life, and the best bit of publicity yet can be found in today’s USA Today newspaper. No, Oklahoma City or Tulsa did not receive another national ranking this time, but instead USA Today wrote a story about the reverse migration occurring of Californians moving to Oklahoma. The article noted that since 1999 there have been more than 21,000 people relocated from California to Oklahoma. I think that statistic will open the eyes of people all across the nation considering so many people see California as one the best places in the country to live because of its weather, scenery and lifestyles.

I really like the following statement from the article:

“The influx of Californians is a sign of Oklahoma’s growing economic prowess. The state was spared the worst of the nation’s deepest economic downturn since Steinbeck wrote his classic novel of Okies and their desperate journey from the Dust Bowl to the orchards of California.”

The article not only spotlights some Californians who have made the move to Oklahoma, but it also highlights the economic factors behind the state’s stability such as the state’s low unemployment rate that was tied for the 10th lowest in nation in August at 7 percent. A senior economist from Moody’s is even quoted in the article as predicting that Oklahoma will be one of the first states to make the leap from recovery from the recession to expansion

http://journalrecord.com/2010/10/12/usa-today-highlights-growing-number-of-californians-moving-to-oklahoma/

Can't keep those darn Cali's from moving here.;)

[LosAngelesSooner]

I would say that the California work ethic has a different standard than many of the states in the U.S. I am not passing judgement, but from my work at similar facilities we have in other states, what a California worker would say is hard or tough, is much different (and at a much lower threshold) than at our other facilities.
Sounds like a VERY scientific poll. :rolleyes:

[LosAngelesSooner]

http://journalrecord.com/2010/10/12/usa-today-highlights-growing-number-of-californians-moving-to-oklahoma/

Can't keep those darn Cali's from moving here.;)
See? It's silly articles like this that crack me up. You pull up one article as if it proves your entire argument.

And, like I said, I'm ALL FOR IT! The more people who move, the less traffic I have, the more land I can buy.

And if you guys sleep better at night thinking that Cali is some near-apocalyptic hell scape...I'm all for it. :D

[3rdgensooner]

but from my work at similar facilities we have in other states, what a California worker would say is hard or tough, is much different (and at a much lower threshold) than at our other facilities.Sounds like the California-based hiring managers were doing a poor job.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Inever said it was folding its tents , Im saying It has some serious money issues, Or have those magically vanished?No. We still have money issues, for sure. And almost all of them stem from our ridiculous property tax freeze from the 80's. That's why our sales tax is so high right now.

But we already had so danged much that it's really more like Bill Gates having to sell one of his summer homes rather than a hard working blue collar guy getting foreclosed on.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Sounds like the California-based hiring managers were doing a poor job.
Knowing absolutely nothing about his company, it sounds like he's making a gross generalization based on just a handful of workers that he's had contact with.

[3rdgensooner]

Knowing absolutely nothing about his company, it sounds like he's making a gross generalization based on just a handful of workers that he's had contact with.Knowing absolutely nothing about his company, I am also questioning his assessment but from a different angle.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Knowing absolutely nothing about his company, it sounds like he's making a gross generalization based on just a handful of workers that he's had contact with.

Don't you know?

Californians as a whole are lazy.

So shut up, lazy person.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Don't you know?

Californians as a whole are lazy.

So shut up, lazy person.
Wait. I thought Okies were all uneducated, racist hicks.

So clearly your information is wrong and you're keeping me down because I'm black.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Wait. I thought Okies were all uneducated, racist hicks.

So clearly your information is wrong and you're keeping me down because I'm black.

Yes.

OR SHOULD I SAY 'SI'!?

Cue dramatic music.

[okie52]

See? It's silly articles like this that crack me up. You pull up one article as if it proves your entire argument.

And, like I said, I'm ALL FOR IT! The more people who move, the less traffic I have, the more land I can buy.

And if you guys sleep better at night thinking that Cali is some near-apocalyptic hell scape...I'm all for it. :D


Coffers Empty, California Pays With I.O.U.’s

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/18/california-threatens-to-p_n_686952.html

40 billion in debt is no big deal. I won't lose any sleep if Cali goes under or if it thrives.

I am a little concerned to travel to LA though since they are boycotting AZ and could lose 25% of their power.


Arizona threatens to cut off LA electricity supply
Arizona could cut off electricity supplies to Los Angeles in protest at an economic boycott over the state's controversial immigration law.

By Nick Allen in Los Angeles
Published: 9:47PM BST 19 May 2010


Los Angeles could be plunged into darkness if the threats are realised Photo: REX FEATURES Los Angeles receives about 25 per cent of its power from Arizona, meaning a quarter of America's second largest city could be plunged into darkness.

Politicians in the city voted last week to impose a boycott on Arizona which will affect about $8 million (£5.3 million) worth of contracts with the state. City officials will also stop travelling to Arizona.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7742456/Arizona-threatens-to-cut-off-LA-electricity-supply.html


California state employees furloughs to begin Friday
Aug. 18, 2010 | Julie Small | KPCC

People find the Department of Motor Vehicles office closed for a mandatory state furlough day in East Los Angeles Friday, July 10, 2009. Most California state government offices are closed Friday, the first of three monthly furlough days intended to save the state money.

Furloughs for state workers will start Friday. The state Supreme Court has granted Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's request to review a lower court's ruling that kept the governor from furloughing roughly 144,000 employees last week as he had planned

http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/08/18/california-state-employees-face-furloughs-or-layof/

No problems in Cali at all.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

No problems in Cali at all.

If furlough days are an indicator of fiscal destruction, I'm afraid Oklahoma is right in line as the City of Tulsa has been furloughing employees for what, 2-3 years now?

[okie52]

If furlough days are an indicator of fiscal destruction, I'm afraid Oklahoma is right in line as the City of Tulsa has been furloughing employees for what, 2-3 years now?

Have they been giving you IOU's?

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Sounds like a VERY scientific poll. :rolleyes:

Are you negative about everything? I said it was my impression on similar tasks from similar plants located in different areas. I would definitely say people in Cali. were more interested in "quality of life" time.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Knowing absolutely nothing about his company, it sounds like he's making a gross generalization based on just a handful of workers that he's had contact with.

More than a handful. The location was up for decommissioning based on not being as "competitive" as the other facilities located in other states.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Have they been giving you IOU's?

Even worse. They haven't been giving anything.

[LosAngelesSooner]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/18/california-threatens-to-p_n_686952.html

40 billion in debt is no big deal. I won't lose any sleep if Cali goes under or if it thrives.

I am a little concerned to travel to LA though since they are boycotting AZ and could lose 25% of their power.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7742456/Arizona-threatens-to-cut-off-LA-electricity-supply.html



http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/08/18/california-state-employees-face-furloughs-or-layof/

No problems in Cali at all.
Yeah. No real problems.

Oh, and you DO realize that you quoted an article from MAY, right?

LOL

As I said...people will find ANY article to support their preconceived notions, regardless of the facts.

Hellscape, I tell ya...HELLSCAPE! :D

[LosAngelesSooner]

Are you negative about everything? I said it was my impression on similar tasks from similar plants located in different areas. I would definitely say people in Cali. were more interested in "quality of life" time.
How was what I said "negative?" Especially when compared to what you said?

Look, you're making an assumption based on EXTREMELY limited data and then trying to apply it to a state larger than many countries.

Quality of life IS highly valued out here. It's also highly valued in Sweden, Norway, France, etc. That's why so many of the people in those places live longer and claim to live happier.

I have a GREAT quality of life out here...and if there was less traffic, it would be even better. But to claim that people don't know how to work hard out here is just dumb.

First of all, just about everyone I know works their butts off out here (which is a higher data pool than you have) and secondly the size and power of the state's economy supports that there is hard work going on out here.

Shoot...all our "evil illegal aliens" probably outwork most of the Americans, white or otherwise, in Cali AND the rest of the U.S., I'll tell you THAT.

[CobraKai]

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146310&highlight=education

We already talked about that, bra.

Bottom line: kids like to do it with each other. Especially the evangelical Baptist kids.

I don't know about that since I went to Catholic High School, but I can guarantee the Catholic kids sure did. :)

[Cornfed]

I thought Cali was just a bunch o homos, why do they need money..


In case any one was wondering this statement is so laced with sarcasm that 15 major airports accross the country have been put on sarcasm alert.

[StoopTroup]

I don't know about that since I went to Catholic High School, but I can guarantee the Catholic kids sure did. :)

John Paul II had quite an impact on kids prior to his death. I was impressed with his approach towards kids to prepare themselves and learn instead of listen to society and peer pressure to decide what is right for their future.

[okie52]

Yeah. No real problems.

Oh, and you DO realize that you quoted an article from MAY, right?

LOL

As I said...people will find ANY article to support their preconceived notions, regardless of the facts.

Hellscape, I tell ya...HELLSCAPE! :D

Sure I do.

I am just waiting for that devastating boycott to occur.

[Cornfed]

John Paul II had quite an impact on kids prior to his death. I was impressed with his approach towards kids to prepare themselves and learn instead of listen to society and peer pressure to decide what is right for their future.

hmmm such a profound thought !!!!

[okie52]

I thought Cali was just a bunch o homos, why do they need money..


In case any one was wondering this statement is so laced with sarcasm that 15 major airports accross the country have been put on sarcasm alert.

That can't be true since Cali voted to ban gay marriage.

[Cornfed]

That can't be true since Cali voted to ban gay marriage.

So theyre a bunch of out of wedlock homos eh, thats even worse.....lol
:P

[StoopTroup]

hmmm such a profound thought !!!!

Not only that....it was true.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Sure I do.

I am just waiting for that devastating boycott to occur.
Yeah. I'm waiting, too.

The funny thing about bluffs like that...THEY ARE BLUFFS. Why? Because if you get into a pissing match like that, you'd better be sure that the other side can't boycott YOU on something.

Like, for instance, the Port of Long Beach. Cali shuts THAT down to any ships with cargo bound for Arizona, and you've got a statewide meltdown of EPIC proportions the likes of which are GUARANTEED to get the President to fly in and slap EVERYONE involved and tell them all to quit acting like babies. The Port of Long Beach is the largest port on the western side of the CONTINENT of North America. Almost everything that goes to Arizona gets shipped in through there.

So Arizona had better be careful about trying to play chicken with California because California is the big dog in this situation, make no mistake about it.

And that doesn't even take into account the financial loss to Arizona if the don't get the money for that electricity that they've come to depend on. Unless Arizona's economy is doing SO well that they can actually AFFORD to go without all the money Cali pays them for electricity.

These kinds of arguments and bluff games are stupid to such a degree of stupidity that they make anyone with half a brain hurt from trying to understand how stupid it all is.

[okie52]

So theyre a bunch of out of wedlock homos eh, thats even worse.....lol
:P

Yep, forced by the government to live in sin.:D

[Cornfed]

Yep, forced by the government to live in sin.:D

That there is funny I tell ya.

[okie52]

Yeah. I'm waiting, too.

The funny thing about bluffs like that...THEY ARE BLUFFS. Why? Because if you get into a pissing match like that, you'd better be sure that the other side can't boycott YOU on something.

Like, for instance, the Port of Long Beach. Cali shuts THAT down to any ships with cargo bound for Arizona, and you've got a statewide meltdown of EPIC proportions the likes of which are GUARANTEED to get the President to fly in and slap EVERYONE involved and tell them all to quit acting like babies. The Port of Long Beach is the largest port on the western side of the CONTINENT of North America. Almost everything that goes to Arizona gets shipped in through there.

So Arizona had better be careful about trying to play chicken with California because California is the big dog in this situation, make no mistake about it.

And that doesn't even take into account the financial loss to Arizona if the don't get the money for that electricity that they've come to depend on. Unless Arizona's economy is doing SO well that they can actually AFFORD to go without all the money Cali pays them for electricity.

These kinds of arguments and bluff games are stupid to such a degree of stupidity that they make anyone with half a brain hurt from trying to understand how stupid it all is.

Well the legal ramifications on both sides of a boycott would be interesting to follow. There are contracts involved as well as laws governing interstate commerce. But the initial saber rattling was done by Cali over an AZ law that was much milder in its effect than Cali's own prop 187...which was passed by 2/3 of the Cali voters in 94.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I applaud my state for standing up against a blatantly racist and un-Constitutional law.

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

My my my. After 100 years of dem rule in this state you have a handle on OK politics.

Aside from your own self interests which you seem to feel are threatened by repubs, have you looked around the nation to see how OK is doing compared to other states?

Want to match unemployment or job growth? How about Forbes listings for that city you love or the state in general?


His self interests are roads, fire protection, a few courts and education. Glad you value business over all of that

[SicEmBaylor]

Oklahoma's infrastructure is near criminal. It's horrible. There's no excuse for it being that bad.

You don't have to be a moderate, liberal, or conservative to properly manage this sort of thing.

Fixing roads and bridges shouldn't be an ideological issue.

[tommieharris91]

Oklahoma's infrastructure is near criminal. It's horrible. There's no excuse for it being that bad.

You don't have to be a moderate, liberal, or conservative to properly manage this sort of thing.

Fixing roads and bridges shouldn't be an ideological issue.

Turn in your Republican card.

[okie52]

His self interests are roads, fire protection, a few courts and education. Glad you value business over all of that

And how have those interests been compromised? And who do you think provides the tax revenues for that?

[okie52]

Oklahoma's infrastructure is near criminal. It's horrible. There's no excuse for it being that bad.

You don't have to be a moderate, liberal, or conservative to properly manage this sort of thing.

Fixing roads and bridges shouldn't be an ideological issue.

The highway and bridge funds have been getting raided for a long time. It should be hands off of those interests. I remember ads a few years ago that were stating these funds were being raided at a rate of nearly 50%.

[Jerk]

My old man is a democrat.

I remember when he changed his party affiliation back when I was a kid. At the time, I didn't understand why he'd switch gears like that. It came off to me as an abandonment of principle, bailing on the home team. He dismissed it as being able to vote for more candidates he approved of in the primaries.

I now understand why.

This was the first time I have ever come so shockingly close to voting straight party. Straight party democrat. I have officially become disillusioned with republican leadership in Oklahoma and find myself choking on bile more and more often as state leaders continue to neuter means for municipalities to provide basic, state constitutionally mandated services while we argue about the boogeyman of sharia law coming to snatch up our children. Let our State Troopers dwindle in ever-increasing, life threatening numbers while we argue over whether or not Pedro can get a driver's manual en espanol. Watch our roads and bridges crumble into dust and rust while the Turnpike Authority cranks up the rates just a little bit higher and never passes a dime into the general fund.

I even voted for Midwest City's own Rockin' Jim Rogers as I extended my middle finger in a Johnny Cash-esque salute toward Oklahoma City, hanging it with dedication like a muslim during prayers. We don't ask for much as constituents. Roads. Fire protection. Police service. Our court system.

And this is the sh*t we get.

So screw you, you bible-thumping, mouthbreathing Oklahoma republicans. I finally understand what my old man was talking about. Die in a fire.

Well....

Screw you, too.

And remember, the Democrat Party has controlled this state FAR longer than the evil Republicans have.

Don't like it here? Move to California. They're full of democrats. They have plenty of money. In fact, they have their own currency. They call them "IOU's"

How would you like your firefighter pension to be backed up by that?

[SicEmBaylor]

The highway and bridge funds have been getting raided for a long time. It should be hands off of those interests. I remember ads a few years ago that were stating these funds were being raided at a rate of nearly 50%.

Yep, and that's what's so damned frustrating. There should be more than enough in the transportation fund, but like you said it has been raided and pilfered from for decades.

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

And how have those interests been compromised? And who do you think provides the tax revenues for that?
How has infrastructure been compromised? Take a look around you

[okie52]

How has infrastructure been compromised? Take a look around you

And...?

[OhU1]

I'm getting tired of all the airhead symbolic fluff coming from the Republicans lately. What next, a state question that we love "Old Glory"?

Republicans are in control now. It's time to lead. It's time to stop pandering to the lowest common denominator. Take on issues of substance. Things that actually matter in the real world and every day life.

What we'll probably get instead are a flurry of brilliant Sally Kern inspired proposals for things such as "warning stickers" to be put in school biology books warning about the dangers of evolution. If so, no more Republican voting by me.

[CobraKai]

Oklahoma's infrastructure is near criminal. It's horrible. There's no excuse for it being that bad.

You don't have to be a moderate, liberal, or conservative to properly manage this sort of thing.

Fixing roads and bridges shouldn't be an ideological issue.

We are a donor state. Our taxes typically subsidize roads in places like LA and Boston. We typically receive less than we pay in, although there have been exceptions.

[okie52]

I'm getting tired of all the airhead symbolic fluff coming from the Republicans lately. What next, a state question that we love "Old Glory"?

Republicans are in control now. It's time to lead. It's time to stop pandering to the lowest common denominator. Take on issues of substance. Things that actually matter in the real world and every day life.

What we'll probably get instead are a flurry of brilliant Sally Kern inspired proposals for things such as "warning stickers" to be put in school biology books warning about the dangers of evolution. If so, no more Republican voting by me.

So you voted Republican last Tuesday?

[okie52]

We are a donor state. Our taxes typically subsidize roads in places like LA and Boston. We typically receive less than we pay in, although there have been exceptions.

Actually we are not. We receive more than we pay in.

[soonerscuba]

We are a donor state. Our taxes typically subsidize roads in places like LA and Boston. We typically receive less than we pay in, although there have been exceptions.Epic fail.

[StoopTroup]

Why do sections of I-40 all the way through Oklahoma look like a war zone and once you're out of the State it's like a brand new highway?

Answer that and you'll be closer to finding a fix for it.

[picasso]

Throw more money at it!

[tommieharris91]

We are a donor state. Our taxes typically subsidize roads in places like LA and Boston. We typically receive less than we pay in, although there have been exceptions.

Not true as of 2005. (http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/22685.html) In fact, California and Massachusetts both receive less than they pay in.

[picasso]

Hear him! This is South Oval gold, folks. Local politicians need to think locally and take care of what matters instead of pushing emotional buttons while neglecting the home ground.

I would tend to agree with that but I could use my wife's health care plan as an example here. She works for a large hospital and has wonderful health coverage which includes an experimental treatment for a non life threatening disease she has. The treatment would be unaffordable without her coverage and under the pending Obama care we aren't sure it would be so any longer.
So, when a local politician says he's going to fight that cluster**** of a bill he just might have our ear.:)

Also, I seem to recall local folks campaigning against the ole Bushie administration in the not-so distant past.

[StoopTroup]

I would tend to agree with that but I could use my wife's health care plan as an example here. She works for a large hospital and has wonderful health coverage which includes an experimental treatment for a non life threatening disease she has. The treatment would be unaffordable without her coverage and under the pending Obama care we aren't sure it would be so any longer.
So, when a local politician says he's going to fight that cluster**** of a bill he just might have our ear.:)

Also, I seem to recall local folks campaigning against the ole Bushie administration in the not-so distant past.

Imagine if you couldn't work and you lose everything. Our Country turns you into a poor person pretty quick. Hope things go your way.

[soonerchk]

Oklahoma's infrastructure is near criminal. It's horrible. There's no excuse for it being that bad.

You don't have to be a moderate, liberal, or conservative to properly manage this sort of thing.

Fixing roads and bridges shouldn't be an ideological issue.

Well it won't happen now that the Pubs are in office and balancing budgets and cutting funds. You'd be amazed at how much of that evil stimulus money has been going directly to infrastructure.

[LosAngelesSooner]

We are a donor state. Our taxes typically subsidize roads in places like LA and Boston. We typically receive less than we pay in, although there have been exceptions.Perhaps you should look at your facts again.

California is a donor state, genius.

[dwarthog]

Well it won't happen now that the Pubs are in office and balancing budgets and cutting funds. You'd be amazed at how much of that evil stimulus money has been going directly to infrastructure.

At 12%, it is indeed amazing.

[CobraKai]

Perhaps you should look at your facts again.

California is a donor state, genius.

http://rockproducts.com/news/Donor-States-Now-Extinct-0804/

Apparently since 2005 there are no donor states, except Texas, so it appears we are both geniuses. LOL.

[SicEmBaylor]

Well it won't happen now that the Pubs are in office and balancing budgets and cutting funds. You'd be amazed at how much of that evil stimulus money has been going directly to infrastructure.

Actually, I absolutely oppose stimulus money for infrastructure projects unless it's on a Federal highway.

Balancing budgets and cutting funds should be the #1 priority of this legislature and EVERY legislature after it.

The problem isn't with a lack of money -- the problem is with prioritizing resources and, as was mentioned earlier, decades spent raiding the transportation fund for other projects.

[Crucifax Autumn]

I would tend to agree with that but I could use my wife's health care plan as an example here. She works for a large hospital and has wonderful health coverage which includes an experimental treatment for a non life threatening disease she has. The treatment would be unaffordable without her coverage and under the pending Obama care we aren't sure it would be so any longer.
So, when a local politician says he's going to fight that cluster**** of a bill he just might have our ear.:)

Also, I seem to recall local folks campaigning against the ole Bushie administration in the not-so distant past.

Here's my deal on this whole issue. Everyone bitching about it says no one knows what's really in it. At the same time, everyone bitching about it names specific ways it f*cks them.

Which is it? Don't we need to know what's in it to repeal parts of it? Don't we need to know how all those parts work together? If it's really bad, let's didtch it. But if no one knows what's in it how can we make an informed decision on whether we want to ditch it or not?

[picasso]

Imagine if you couldn't work and you lose everything. Our Country turns you into a poor person pretty quick. Hope things go your way.

I'm poor now. But we make sacrifices each month to leave out the really stupid superficial stuff.
And we don't live above our means, unlike most of the dooshes who caused the current mess we're in.

Also, there's plenty of programs out there for those who can't work. The problem is the abuses by those who can and don't.

[picasso]

Here's my deal on this whole issue. Everyone bitching about it says no one knows what's really in it. At the same time, everyone bitching about it names specific ways it f*cks them.

Which is it? Don't we need to know what's in it to repeal parts of it? Don't we need to know how all those parts work together? If it's really bad, let's didtch it. But if no one knows what's in it how can we make an informed decision on whether we want to ditch it or not?

As I've said numerous times on here. I've dealt with government run health care and it's a disaster.
Nobody knows what's exactly on the bill except the few who wrote it. Sure I'll trust 'em!:rolleyes:

[Crucifax Autumn]

I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying that when no one knows what's in it SPECIFIC criticism is kinda silly. Being against government ran healthcare in general is a different thing entirely.

So can I take that to mean you want Medicare abolished also?

[StoopTroup]

Dr. Tom Coburn will save us all.

[picasso]

I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying that when no one knows what's in it SPECIFIC criticism is kinda silly. Being against government ran healthcare in general is a different thing entirely.

So can I take that to mean you want Medicare abolished also?

Do you not even understand just the initial premise? The government is actually going to force you to buy something (health care).

I want choice. In my doctors and my treatment.

I don't want to be approved by a board when I need to have a CT scan, etc..

Did you know some folks are going to have to get a Doctor's prescription just to get some over the counter drugs? It starts January 1st.

[StoopTroup]

Did you know some folks are going to have to get a Doctor's prescription just to get some over the counter drugs? It starts January 1st.

That's to be able to benefit from using a Flexible Spending Account. You still have choice you just won't get a tax break. Also they say even if you do get the RX you better keep records ar it might possibly be denied later if audited and then you'll get hit with a 20% charge.

Things aren't much more screwed up than they've been every year since they started these accounts. Somebody keeps screwing with the accounts and the way they were run and that was way before Obama got into office.

Both sides are fighting. It's not gonna get better in either direction IMO.

We're all left to suffer until we get rid of every damn sellout politician and liar.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Do you not even understand just the initial premise? The government is actually going to force you to buy something (health care).

I want choice. In my doctors and my treatment.

I don't want to be approved by a board when I need to have a CT scan, etc..

Did you know some folks are going to have to get a Doctor's prescription just to get some over the counter drugs? It starts January 1st.

I actually don't disagree at all. I'm just trying to get some actual information posted as opposed to partisan silliness with no supporting evidence.

So this OTC drug thing...Does that mean they can't just go out and buy some tylenol if they have the cash? Or is it if they want the plan to pay for it? And as for the "board" approving something, don't currently existing insurance, Medicare, and Medicaid all 3 require approval from the insurance company? Can't people who aren't approved in those cases still go pay for the CT scan out of pocket?

[olevetonahill]

I actually don't disagree at all. I'm just trying to get some actual information posted as opposed to partisan silliness with no supporting evidence.

So this OTC drug thing...Does that mean they can't just go out and buy some tylenol if they have the cash? Or is it if they want the plan to pay for it? And as for the "board" approving something, don't currently existing insurance, Medicare, and Medicaid all 3 require approval from the insurance company? Can't people who aren't approved in those cases still go pay for the CT scan out of pocket?

Dude Yer axing questions Like ya think ANYONE unnerstans this shat :rolleyes:

[Crucifax Autumn]

Dude Yer axing questions Like ya think ANYONE unnerstans this shat :rolleyes:

That's actually my point.

[olevetonahill]

That's actually my point.

Well actually I say **** it and Im just actually trying to get durnk :P

[3rdgensooner]

Dr. Tom Coburn will save us all.From?

[SicEmBaylor]

From?

Teenage lesbians in Little Dixie.

[StoopTroup]

From?

Teh goobermint.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

from godzirra

[StoopTroup]

n moffra

[stoops the eternal pimp]

and the gald damm nazis!!

[StoopTroup]

Call da beer jew.

[picasso]

Things aren't much more screwed up than they've been every year since they started these accounts. Somebody keeps screwing with the accounts and the way they were run and that was way before Obama got into office.

Both sides are fighting. It's not gonna get better in either direction IMO.

We're all left to suffer until we get rid of every damn sellout politician and liar.

Can't argue with that for now. I just hope and pray it's not like Indian Health Care.