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ouwasp
9/24/2010, 10:44 AM
Does anybody know where either of these two candidates stand on SQ744?

TIA

Boarder
9/24/2010, 10:56 AM
Both are "no" according to this article:
http://normantranscript.com/headlines/x1560861440/Henry-politicians-oppose-SQ-744


Those officials, who are represented on both sides of the aisle, include both gubernatorial candidates Republican Mary Fallin and Democrat Jari Askins, dozens of legislators and other appointed or elected members serving in office.

What about you? And why?

ouwasp
9/24/2010, 11:05 AM
Well, I'm trying to decide between the two ladies. I thought their stance on 744 might help me make up my mind.

I believe 744 to be bad policy. I am a schoolteacher. Sure, I wish we had more $ to work with. SQ 744 isn't the right way to go about getting it though, imo.

Thanks Boarder.

OUMallen
9/24/2010, 11:09 AM
Count me in. State should spend money on schools and roads and not a heckuva lot more, IMO.

OUMallen
9/24/2010, 11:10 AM
Well, I'm trying to decide between the two ladies. I thought their stance on 744 might help me make up my mind.

I believe 744 to be bad policy. I am a schoolteacher. Sure, I wish we had more $ to work with. SQ 744 isn't the right way to go about getting it though, imo.

Thanks Boarder.

How would you?

Boarder
9/24/2010, 11:11 AM
Frightening as it is, they agree on this one.

One of my biggest problems with 744 is one that few people talk about:

It requires the State to spend annually, no less than the average amount spent on each student by the surrounding states. Those surrounding states are Missouri, Texas, Kansas, Arkansas, Colorado and New Mexico. When the average amount spent by surrounding states declines, Oklahoma must spend the amount it spent the year before.

Basically, this seems to say that once Oklahoma spends x amount, they are locked into that amount forever. If, say, Missouri goes crazy and spends a ton one year then goes back, Oklahoma will be locked in to that skewed one-year average.

OUMallen
9/24/2010, 11:16 AM
I don't think one state would make such a big increase that it would move the average an unreasonable amount.

That being said, even if it did, we're spending money on our schools. That's a good thing. Gotta pay to play.

badger
9/24/2010, 11:19 AM
If SQ 744 passes, we won't have the money to pay for it. Will we raise taxes to get the money? Hmmm... no, probably not.

So then, will a judge be the one to raise taxes when legislators don't want to? :eek:

OUMallen
9/24/2010, 11:21 AM
If SQ 744 passes, we won't have the money to pay for it. Will we raise taxes to get the money? Hmmm... no, probably not.

So then, will a judge be the one to raise taxes when legislators don't want to? :eek:

It would be amazing if our leadership could cut spending/reappropriate money/raise taxes responsibly as needed.

That being said, you're right, it would probabyl turn out to be an unfunded mandate with no teeth.

saucysoonergal
9/24/2010, 11:22 AM
Judges cannot raise taxes.

badger
9/24/2010, 11:23 AM
Judges cannot raise taxes.

It would be amazing if it went that far though.

Sooner5030
9/24/2010, 11:29 AM
Spending should be determined by an appropriation. Not something external to and outside the control of our state government.

IMO......funding $ per pupil is not a good measuring stick anyway.

Soonerus
9/24/2010, 11:38 AM
Jari...Jari...Jari...

saucysoonergal
9/24/2010, 11:51 AM
http://mattressmaryfallin.com/About_Mattress_Mary.html

Soonerwake
9/24/2010, 12:37 PM
If SQ 744 passes, we won't have the money to pay for it. Will we raise taxes to get the money? Hmmm... no, probably not.

So then, will a judge be the one to raise taxes when legislators don't want to? :eek:

No, we will cut other state agencies somewhere in the neighborhood of 20%+. This initiative is just plain old bad news for all of Oklahoma.

C&CDean
9/24/2010, 01:11 PM
http://mattressmaryfallin.com/About_Mattress_Mary.html

Heh. Now be fair. Where's the satire on Carpet Muncher Jari?

saucysoonergal
9/24/2010, 01:12 PM
I don't know Dean. I just heard someone mention the Mattress Mary one and Googled it. ;)

ouwasp
9/24/2010, 01:18 PM
How would you?

A couple things that come to mind, neither of which is politically very feasible:

Implement more school consolidation. The folks out in the western half of OK are ready to fistfight if one even thinks it though. I may be safe being anonymous on the internet.

Eliminate much of the state-mandated testing. It costs millions upon millions to conduct these every year. Identify the minimum necessary and drop the rest. But both parties have taken turns in being enthralled with testing and more testing.

Of course, property taxes could be increased. But that would take a legislative action that is highly unlikely to happen.

Boarder
9/24/2010, 01:18 PM
in deferrence to her belief in small government tries to do as little in Congress as she can.

Hehe, I laughed out loud on that one.

stoops the eternal pimp
9/24/2010, 01:20 PM
Are these the 2 chicks that setem was referring to?

saucysoonergal
9/24/2010, 01:20 PM
neither one of them is skinny.

C&CDean
9/24/2010, 01:21 PM
Are these the 2 chicks that setem was referring to?

Nah, Jari is fat and ugly, and Mary is meh.

saucysoonergal
9/24/2010, 01:22 PM
But they both have great personalities!

stoops the eternal pimp
9/24/2010, 01:22 PM
well I was just thinking maybe his standards aren't that high

badger
9/24/2010, 02:08 PM
If polls are to be believed, the race is not close, but is in fact, getting farther outta reach for Askins.



UNDATED -- The latest Rasmussen poll shows Republican Congresswoman Mary Fallin a strong favorite in the race for Oklahoma's governor.

Fallin jumped to a 26-point lead over Democratic candidate Lieutenant Governor Jari Askins, according to a news release Friday.

The statewide telephone survey of likely voters shows Fallin picking up 60 percent support, while Askins earns 34% of the vote. One percent prefer some other candidate, and five percent are undecided.

In August, Fallin led Askins 52 percent to 37 percent. Prior to the latest survey, Fallin's support remained in the 51 percent to 57 percent range in surveys conducted since February. Askins received between 32 percent and 37 percent support during the same period.

Link (http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=13213004)

Now, I know better than most that polls do not vote, yard signs do not vote and "too liberal for Oklahoma" television ads do not vote. But, I think it accurately reflects the fact that Jari isn't doing a good enough job of getting herself out there to voters to show that she is not the liberal meanie some ads are portraying her to be.

It will take solid campaigning from debates, to event appearances, to town hall Q&A's at retirement centers to go from Lt. Gov. Askins to Gov. Askins this fall.

Fallin, at this point, probably just needs to not screw up too badly (bad debate answers, scandelous photos surfacing, etc.)

Soonerwake
9/24/2010, 02:34 PM
Nah, Jari is fat and ugly, and Mary is meh.

Mary used to be much better looking. Just ask the OHP...

Soonerwake
9/24/2010, 02:37 PM
If polls are to be believed, the race is not close, but is in fact, getting farther outta reach for Askins.



Link (http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=13213004)

Now, I know better than most that polls do not vote, yard signs do not vote and "too liberal for Oklahoma" television ads do not vote. But, I think it accurately reflects the fact that Jari isn't doing a good enough job of getting herself out there to voters to show that she is not the liberal meanie some ads are portraying her to be.

It will take solid campaigning from debates, to event appearances, to town hall Q&A's at retirement centers to go from Lt. Gov. Askins to Gov. Askins this fall.

Fallin, at this point, probably just needs to not screw up too badly (bad debate answers, scandelous photos surfacing, etc.)

My understanding is that Askins is really working the rural vote. Unfortunately, I don't think she will win, but her only chance is to run a race similar to Henry in 2002. She's working hard, but the Obama backlash in this state is probably too much for her to beat.

badger
9/24/2010, 02:54 PM
My understanding is that Askins is really working the rural vote. Unfortunately, I don't think she will win, but her only chance is to run a race similar to Henry in 2002. She's working hard, but the Obama backlash in this state is probably too much for her to beat.

It is a good strategy, as more populated areas tend to have more Democrats anyway and rural areas are more Republican.

As for Obama comparisons, Henry also had a slightly difficult task in 2002, when approval ratings for W. were at their peak following 9/11. W. was getting governors and other major candidates elected left and right and did a very good job using his high approval ratings to benefit the party.

So, Jari can't (and probably won't) use the Obama excuse. There is absolutely no reason to blame Jari for Obama or the federal-level Democrat policies that she would have absolutely no control over as a state-level official. If anything, shouldn't we be blaming Mary since she was in Congress and had a vote in Washington the past few years? :D

(I'm just playing devil's advocate. It's a stretch to blame either for Obama)

Soonerus
9/24/2010, 02:57 PM
Jari...Jari...Jari...

Soonerwake
9/24/2010, 03:13 PM
So, Jari can't (and probably won't) use the Obama excuse. There is absolutely no reason to blame Jari for Obama or the federal-level Democrat policies that she would have absolutely no control over as a state-level official. If anything, shouldn't we be blaming Mary since she was in Congress and had a vote in Washington the past few years? :D

(I'm just playing devil's advocate. It's a stretch to blame either for Obama)

Agree completely. Jari won't use that excuse, but it will come into play in my opinion. It's not the blame per se, it's a connection and branding her as a "liberal" that will hurt. There is a reason we have already seen commercials with her pic and Obama superimposed. Jari's no liberal, but that brand, however real or not, will be difficult to overcome.

GKeeper316
9/24/2010, 03:59 PM
if mary ****in fallin actually gets elected, it will prove once and for all that oklahoma voters are the biggest idiots in america.

Soonerus
9/24/2010, 04:02 PM
if mary ****in fallin actually gets elected, it will prove once and for all that oklahoma voters are the biggest idiots in america.

Totally agree...

badger
9/24/2010, 04:11 PM
So... um... shall we determine who the sf.com - endorsed candidates and question answers are in each and every race till November? :D

Condescending Sooner
9/24/2010, 04:25 PM
The schools already get enough money, it is just mismanaged. Other state agencies had their budgets cut up to 22% last year, while education got a 2.9% cut from state appropriations and freaked out. The state money is just a portion of the money they receive.

They got millions in lottery and casino money, and property taxes have not decreased, so I have a hard time understanding why they are so strapped for cash. Henry kept them shielded from budget cuts as much as humanly possible.

Condescending Sooner
9/24/2010, 04:27 PM
if mary ****in fallin actually gets elected, it will prove once and for all that oklahoma voters are the biggest idiots in america.

Typical lib. If someone doesn't agree with you, they are automatically an idiot.

Soonerus
9/24/2010, 04:29 PM
Typical lib. If someone doesn't agree with you, they are automatically an idiot.

Don't be so condescending...oh, wait....

GKeeper316
9/24/2010, 04:31 PM
Typical lib. If someone doesn't agree with you, they are automatically an idiot.

typical conservative... if you cant think of a logical response, just attack character, even if you're wrong, because we all love character attacks, right?

and electing mary fallin proves idiocy. she doesnt have a ****ing clue how to fix the state's budget. i know. i've spoken with her about it.

GKeeper316
9/24/2010, 04:34 PM
Typical lib. If someone doesn't agree with you, he is automatically an idiot.

and allow me to be condescending... my lack of capitalization aside, i at least have a basic grasp of the english language.

Condescending Sooner
9/24/2010, 04:38 PM
and allow me to be condescending... my lack of capitalization aside, i at least have a basic grasp of the english language.

And I don't???

Have you asked Askins about her fix for the state budget?

Condescending Sooner
9/24/2010, 04:39 PM
typical conservative... if you cant think of a logical response, just attack character, even if you're wrong, because we all love character attacks, right?

and electing mary fallin proves idiocy. she doesnt have a ****ing clue how to fix the state's budget. i know. i've spoken with her about it.

Can you point out the character attack? I can't seem to find it.

GKeeper316
9/24/2010, 04:43 PM
you said i think people that dont agree with me are idiots. thats a character attack.

Condescending Sooner
9/24/2010, 04:58 PM
you said i think people that dont agree with me are idiots. thats a character attack.

No, that's what you said. I was just pointing it out.

GKeeper316
9/24/2010, 04:59 PM
when did i say people that dont agree with me are idiots? point that out to me please.

you're the one that went all "Typical lib" on me and ****.

badger
9/24/2010, 05:18 PM
I am not an idiot. Therefore, people who disagree with me are idiots.

:les: It's sound logic! [hairGel]

:P seriously though, lighten up. it's just the goobernatal election

Leroy Lizard
9/24/2010, 07:25 PM
if mary ****in fallin actually gets elected, it will prove once and for all that oklahoma voters are the biggest idiots in america.

I love these threads. Those who vote for the opposing candidate are always idiots.

GKeeper316
9/24/2010, 07:38 PM
I love these threads. Those who vote for the opposing candidate are always idiots.

i didn't say that. i said anyone that votes for mary fallin is an idiot.

C&CDean
9/24/2010, 07:41 PM
So, we've got the fat, ugly lesbian against the whore. Personally, IDGAS, but if I was voting today, it'd be Mary. At least she like her a dick.

stoopified
9/24/2010, 07:54 PM
I am not in favor of 744 without having sound funding worked out and that does NOT appear to be the case . That said I have heard on many occassions that one area we DO lead in nationally is pay for state legeslature.If true,why can't we cut the pay to 49th place nationally and spend that money on education? I would think our leaders would embrace this as they all say EDUCATION IS THE TOP PRIORITY. I say NOW IS THE TIME TO PUT UP OR SHUT UPP.

John Kochtoston
9/24/2010, 10:15 PM
Judges cannot raise taxes.

Neither can the Legislature, for all intents and purposes.

Soonerus
9/24/2010, 10:42 PM
So, we've got the fat, ugly lesbian against the whore. Personally, IDGAS, but if I was voting today, it'd be Mary. At least she like her a dick.

Dean, I have known Jari for 33 years your comments are ignorant. She is one of the nicest most genuine people I have ever met and she is not now or ever been a lesbian. I am disappointed in you for making such ill-informed statements . Now the stuff on Fallin has been pretty well documented.

Leroy Lizard
9/24/2010, 10:47 PM
Dean, I have known Jari for 33 years your comments are ignorant. She is one of the nicest most genuine people I have ever met and she is not now or ever been a lesbian.

This confirms it. She's a lesbian. After all... you wouldn't be defending her if... eh, there wasn't some truth to the rumors? Would you now?

Soonerus
9/24/2010, 10:50 PM
This confirms it. She's a lesbian. After all... you wouldn't be defending her if... eh, there wasn't some truth to the rumors? Would you now?

Dumb, but not surprising comment from the Lizard...Jari is a good person and good Oklahoman...maybe the hardest working person I have ever known.

Leroy Lizard
9/25/2010, 12:24 AM
Dumb, but not surprising comment from the Lizard...Jari is a good person and good Oklahoman...maybe the hardest working person I have ever known.

Why is it that in a state with four million people, the posters on SoonerFans know all these high-profile people personally?

Question: "I wonder what happened to Tony Casillas?"

Answer: "I work with him. He's doing great. We have him over for BBQ every night."

Question: "I wish Bob Barry Jr. would retire."

Answer: "He plans to retire soon. I just talked to him on the phone. He's doing great."

There doesn't seem to be any politician or superstar athlete in Oklahoma that someone here doesn't have over for dinner on a routine basis.

Or are you guys just terminally full of ****?

Soonerus
9/25/2010, 12:33 AM
Jari and I went to law school together...duh...

Leroy Lizard
9/25/2010, 12:39 AM
I imagine she went to law school with a lot of people.

Soonerus
9/25/2010, 12:40 AM
I imagine she went to law school with a lot of people.

Yes, I think we graduated 185...

Leroy Lizard
9/25/2010, 12:46 AM
If I ever run into her, I'm going to find out. "Do you know a guy named Soonerus? He wears a fishing cap, and he kinda' looks like Bill Murray."

Soonerus
9/25/2010, 01:14 AM
Just tell her you know Rusty and she will know...she is a great lady...

Soonerwake
9/25/2010, 09:49 AM
This is really not hard folks. Fallin has a degree from OSU, Askins, yep, she is a Sooner.

badger
9/25/2010, 01:50 PM
This is really not hard folks. Fallin has a degree from OSU, Askins, yep, she is a Sooner.

Oo... good call!

And yeah, please don't assume that just because a chick is single that she is not interested in guys... and just because she is not interested in you does not mean she doesn't like guys, period. It's just that she does not like you, period.

Jari is more liberal than more Oklahoma Republicans, but she is much more conservative than most federal-level Democrats (like Obama) that voters have grown to hate over the past two years.

So, yeah... in the gubernatorial race, vote on the issues, don't vote on party affiliation or sexual orientation... gawww, can't believe I typed that out.

Leroy Lizard
9/25/2010, 03:15 PM
Jari is more liberal than more Oklahoma Republicans, but she is much more conservative than most federal-level Democrats (like Obama) that voters have grown to hate over the past two years.

Is she a supporter of Barack Obama?

badger
9/25/2010, 09:34 PM
Is she a supporter of Barack Obama?

Hmm... perhaps its more that she supports the man, hoping that he does good things for the country, but does not support some (perhaps many, perhaps all) of his policies, legislation, choice of beer at beer summit, etc.

Leroy Lizard
9/26/2010, 01:50 AM
Hmm... perhaps its more that she supports the man, hoping that he does good things for the country, but does not support some (perhaps many, perhaps all) of his policies, legislation, choice of beer at beer summit, etc.

You should have become a politician, badger.

Has she voiced support or opposition to Obamacare? (Or are we going to another "Well, she hopes that programs like Obamacare help the country...")

badger
9/26/2010, 10:29 AM
You should have become a politician, badger.

Has she voiced support or opposition to Obamacare? (Or are we going to another "Well, she hopes that programs like Obamacare help the country...")

I think the answer you are hoping for is "I don't know," but rather than give you that satisfaction, let's just say that after all of these political ads painting her in the same dull gray and white images with Obama, she is going to speak about her affiliation with the national level party leaders, including Obama and his Obamacare policies and we will all soon know where she stands as far as Obama goes if we don't know already.

Ahhh, what the heck - I don't know yet, but I have a feeling that she will be addressing it frequently as the poll numbers continue to decline. She will distance herself as far as possible from Obama and his unpopular policies.

Leroy Lizard
9/26/2010, 02:34 PM
I think the answer you are hoping for is "I don't know," but rather than give you that satisfaction, let's just say that after all of these political ads painting her in the same dull gray and white images with Obama, she is going to speak about her affiliation with the national level party leaders, including Obama and his Obamacare policies and we will all soon know where she stands as far as Obama goes if we don't know already.

Ahhh, what the heck - I don't know yet, but I have a feeling that she will be addressing it frequently as the poll numbers continue to decline. She will distance herself as far as possible from Obama and his unpopular policies.

A true conservative wouldn't have to distance herself and would have made it damn clear how she stands on such a divided issue. Why is she trying to fly under the radar on this issue if she really, truly opposes that which Oklahomans oppose?

badger
9/27/2010, 11:28 AM
All right troll buddy, I got you your answer:


Each talks about improving the quality of education in Oklahoma, attracting jobs and balancing the budget. Each opposes restrictions on gun ownership, speaks openly about faith and is critical of the federal health care initiative. ("It needs to go away," Askins says. "The costs will be exorbitant for small businesses in our state.")

Link
(http://newsok.com/article/3498403)

The entire article is a good read on both candidates.

Leroy Lizard
9/27/2010, 12:57 PM
All right troll buddy, I got you your answer:



Link
(http://newsok.com/article/3498403)

The entire article is a good read on both candidates.

It's a good read on Jari Askins. Mary Fallin is barely mentioned at all. But thanks for the link.

badger
9/27/2010, 01:50 PM
There was another feature for Fallin, sorry. Here's the link to that one:

Fallin feature (http://newsok.com/article/3498642)

Dean will get a kick out of this:

NewsOK: Twilight or Harry Potter:
Fallin: I don't care for that Harry Potter at all. Twilight? Is that like "The Twilight Zone?"

:D

As for Askins:
NewsOK: Twilight or Harry Potter?
Askins: Harry Potter. I have all the books. That's my escapism.

Boarder
9/27/2010, 02:00 PM
So, Askins loves the devil.

C&CDean
9/27/2010, 02:10 PM
Well **** me gently. Looks like I'm gonna have to vote for a dim. "I don't care for that Harry Potter at all???" Go blow a trooper Mary.

Tulsa_Fireman
9/27/2010, 03:24 PM
[Rocket J. Squirrel] Again!? [/Rocket J. Squirrel]

But that trick never works!

Chuck Bao
9/27/2010, 03:28 PM
NewsOK: Twilight or Harry Potter:
Fallin: I don't care for that Harry Potter at all. Twilight? Is that like "The Twilight Zone?"

As for Askins:
NewsOK: Twilight or Harry Potter?
Askins: Harry Potter. I have all the books. That's my escapism.

Huh?

I cannot believe that the poll-leading candidate for the Oklahoma governorship could be so out of touch with modern culture (books and movies) that she publicly admits that she doesn’t care for HP and allows herself to appear as if she has no idea about Twilight.

Okay, my own sister banned her daughter from reading any Harry Potter books or watching any of the movies when my niece was a young child because someone told my sister that they promote devil worship and witchcraft. Don’t get me wrong. I love my sister very much, but I wouldn’t vote for her for governor.

I think this Mary Fallin chick needs to get a clue on how to handle this type of off-beat question. It really is shocking and revealing about her character.

If there is anyone in Mary Fallin’s campaign staff reading this, I think that Sic’em is available to be a political consultant.

Leroy Lizard
9/27/2010, 03:37 PM
There was another feature for Fallin, sorry. Here's the link to that one:

Fallin feature (http://newsok.com/article/3498642)

Dean will get a kick out of this:

NewsOK: Twilight or Harry Potter:
Fallin: I don't care for that Harry Potter at all. Twilight? Is that like "The Twilight Zone?"

I actually like the fact that she doesn't absorb herself in pop culture.

GKeeper316
9/27/2010, 03:38 PM
Huh?

I cannot believe that the poll-leading candidate for the Oklahoma governorship could be so out of touch with modern culture (books and movies) that she publicly admits that she doesn’t care for HP and allows herself to appear as if she has no idea about Twilight.


especially since her daughter is a super slutty all-black wearing emo goth chick.

Leroy Lizard
9/27/2010, 03:38 PM
Well **** me gently. Looks like I'm gonna have to vote for a dim. "I don't care for that Harry Potter at all???" Go blow a trooper Mary.

Dean, Harry Potter is for little kids.

Leroy Lizard
9/27/2010, 03:40 PM
Huh?

I cannot believe that the poll-leading candidate for the Oklahoma governorship could be so out of touch with modern culture (books and movies) that she publicly admits that she doesn’t care for HP and allows herself to appear as if she has no idea about Twilight.

Okay, my own sister banned her daughter from reading any Harry Potter books or watching any of the movies when my niece was a young child because someone told my sister that they promote devil worship and witchcraft. Don’t get me wrong. I love my sister very much, but I wouldn’t vote for her for governor.

I think this Mary Fallin chick needs to get a clue on how to handle this type of off-beat question. It really is shocking and revealing about her character.

If there is anyone in Mary Fallin’s campaign staff reading this, I think that Sic’em is available to be a political consultant.

I think you employed some interesting logic twists in there. Good grief.

C&CDean
9/27/2010, 04:00 PM
Dean, Harry Potter is for little kids.

Go **** up a rope Leroy. So what type of reading should an all growed up adult go for?

Being an internet asswipe is for little asswipes.

badger
9/27/2010, 04:19 PM
According to newsok, after she said "The Twilight Zone?" the followup was:

Q: No, it's more about vampires.

A: Oh, I don't care for vampires, either.

---

And a different question:

Q: "Mad Men" or "The Office?"

A: Are those TV shows? I actually have not seen either one of them. Wait, is "The Office" that show where everyone talks so funny? ... That was on last night. I have watched "The Office." I don't particularly like it.

Askins' answer was:

Q: "Mad Men" or "The Office?"

A: Neither. I think I've seen each once but not all the way through.


---

So, those wouldn't have been the TV shows I would have asked about... it's like... huh? Two crappy shows, eh? Whatev...

Again, go check out the links. They're good stories on both of 'em. The Q&A are on the left side about midway through the stories.

Leroy Lizard
9/27/2010, 04:40 PM
Go **** up a rope Leroy. So what type of reading should an all growed up adult go for?

Can I post the links in this forum? :D

Leroy Lizard
9/27/2010, 04:43 PM
According to newsok, after she said "The Twilight Zone?" the followup was:

Q: No, it's more about vampires.

A: Oh, I don't care for vampires, either.

That seals it. You can't run a state and not like vampires. Even George Washington liked vampires. :rolleyes:

Again, I think it's great that there are adults out there that don't absorb themselves into tv shows and don't read adolescent books (like Harry Potter).

OklahomaTuba
9/28/2010, 08:53 AM
Ouch. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/oklahoma/toplines_oklahoma_governor_september_23_2010)

Mary: 60%
Jeri: 34%

Someone should tell Jeri it's Ova.

Soonerus
9/28/2010, 09:21 AM
Polls are so wrong these days and antiquated because few people still have home phones...Rasmussen showed Edmondson ahead of Askins by 18 points three days before the election...Rasmussen is totally unreliable...Askins will win this race...

sooner_born_1960
9/28/2010, 09:24 AM
Polls are so wrong these days and antiquated because few people still have home phones
Few? Really?

OklahomaTuba
9/28/2010, 10:43 AM
Polls are so wrong these days and antiquated because few people still have home phones...Rasmussen showed Edmondson ahead of Askins by 18 points three days before the election...Rasmussen is totally unreliable...Askins will win this race...Well, if that makes you feel better dude.

But in reality, rassmussen is by far one of, if not the most reliable.

And yes, Askins is done.

badger
9/28/2010, 10:52 AM
Few? Really?

Perhaps a better way of putting would have been that many people have phones, as in landlines, but most answer "eff you" when a pollster tries to start asking you questions.

At da badger house (actually, let's call it the Mr and Mrs. NormanPride house, hehe), we get so many phone solicitation calls that we hardly stay on the line long enough to see what it's about anymore. I got one election call - just one - and it was a push poll. The lady was going on about how such-and-so was who we needed to represent "us Oklahomans." So, I asked her if she was from Oklahoma. She wasn't. <click>

sooner_born_1960
9/28/2010, 10:55 AM
Your reasoning has more merit. I was only questioning Russ' explanation as to why polls were antiquated.

sooner_born_1960
9/28/2010, 10:59 AM
And, badger, even if you have to make ten times as many calls as you once did to get a decent sampling number, once you get that number of responses, isn't the poll as valid as polls ever were?

badger
9/28/2010, 11:05 AM
And, badger, even if you have to make ten times as many calls as you once did to get a decent sampling number, once you get that number of responses, isn't the poll as valid as polls ever were?

I've always maintained steadfastly righteously and indignantly (and other weird describing words that we learned in third grade, hehe) that polls do not vote, yard signs do not vote, television ads do not vote and everything else that is most visible right now during this election cycle does not vote.

The absolute most important thing that people can do is vote and encourage others to vote. Get them registered, drive them to the polls. VOTE. Candidates want and need votes more than everything else.

And my dear mommy just said that she was voting for Askins. She, too, is a lifelong Republican. Fallin definitely needs to step HER game up too, not just Askins. This last month, who works hardest and gets the most people out to VOTE (so many say they will, how many forget once the day arrives?) ... that will be the final poll.

pilobolus
9/28/2010, 11:05 AM
http://www.ok.gov/ltgovernor/images/Jari%20Askins%20Lt.%20Gov.%20071%20RESIZE.jpg

Strange looking woman...

badger
9/28/2010, 11:08 AM
Strange looking woman...

It'll happen to us all when we get old. :(

pilobolus
9/28/2010, 11:12 AM
It'll happen to us all when we get old. :(

I think it's because she looks scarily like my most recent ex-mother in law.

TheHumanAlphabet
9/28/2010, 11:14 AM
Frightening as it is, they agree on this one.

One of my biggest problems with 744 is one that few people talk about:


Basically, this seems to say that once Oklahoma spends x amount, they are locked into that amount forever. If, say, Missouri goes crazy and spends a ton one year then goes back, Oklahoma will be locked in to that skewed one-year average.

The whole thing is a union ploy to try to up salaries when they couldn't get it done by lottery or the legislature. It is all about taking local control and local input away from the salary process. A bad idea IMO when you take the market forces out of the salary definition.

badger
9/28/2010, 11:16 AM
The lottery was an uber scam designed as a way to fund education. If that passed, then I fear this one will too.

:les: VOTE NO ON 744! [hairGel]

OklahomaTuba
9/28/2010, 11:48 AM
Well the NEA has done a bang up job with destroying the public school system thus far, so why not shovel more money towards them?

We'll just print more if we need it.

pilobolus
9/28/2010, 11:59 AM
Well the NEA has done a bang up job with destroying the public school system thus far, so why not shovel more money towards them?

We'll just print more if we need it.

Parents who don't give a **** are a much bigger problem than the schools themselves.

The research is there showing parental involvement is the single biggest indicator of a student's academic success.

Sooner_Havok
9/28/2010, 01:14 PM
Yay! I can't wait for that bimb... I mean moral pillar, Mary Falling to run our state into the ground! Hooray!

On a side note, I'm taking the Tex@s bar, so in two years I won't be giving a flip how bad Failing has destroyed the state.

Boarder
9/28/2010, 01:20 PM
I really do not think that Fallin will run the state into the ground, if elected. There are two reasons I think this:

1. All she will do is sign into law the ridiculous things the Legislature throws at her, so it's really the legislature doing the damage. And...

2. She only does what her handlers tell her to do, so it's not really her (it's the handlers).

She'll smile, take pictures, and do what she's told for her term.

Sooner_Havok
9/28/2010, 01:37 PM
I really do not think that Fallin will run the state into the ground, if elected. There are two reasons I think this:

1. All she will do is sign into law the ridiculous things the Legislature throws at her, so it's really the legislature doing the damage. And...

2. She only does what her handlers tell her to do, so it's not really her (it's the handlers).

She'll smile, take pictures, and do what she's told for her term.

I hope your right. Well, except for that first part. As much as I hate it, that's going to happen for sure.

I'm just not as good as fear mongering as some folks are. :(

OUMallen
9/28/2010, 02:01 PM
The whole thing is a union ploy to try to up salaries when they couldn't get it done by lottery or the legislature. It is all about taking local control and local input away from the salary process. A bad idea IMO when you take the market forces out of the salary definition.

Um. Aren't the going-rates for education in and around us market forces? :confused:

Leroy Lizard
9/28/2010, 02:42 PM
If Jeri is really as conservative as she tries to project, she should punt the pretend and join the Republican Party. She would have probably been elected if she had done so.

Sooner_Havok
9/28/2010, 02:44 PM
If Jeri is really as conservative as she tries to project, she should punt the pretend and join the Republican Party. She would have probably been elected if she had done so.

What if she isn't scared of / repulsed by the gays?

CatfishSooner
9/28/2010, 09:29 PM
Don't sell Askins short...

Leroy Lizard
9/28/2010, 11:21 PM
What if she isn't scared of / repulsed by the gays?

Why is everything "gay this" and "gay that"?

Pricetag
9/29/2010, 01:17 PM
Perhaps a better way of putting would have been that many people have phones, as in landlines, but most answer "eff you" when a pollster tries to start asking you questions.
Not only that, but now that caller id is in practically every home, there are tons of folks who won't answer if they don't recognize the number. I don't.

TheHumanAlphabet
9/29/2010, 01:28 PM
Um. Aren't the going-rates for education in and around us market forces? :confused:

Not if you pass the Law. Then the highest becomes the norm and you can never go down or change. Then the next time there is another bump, then OK gets bumped up to a new higher number. There is never a leveling...

JohnnyMack
9/29/2010, 01:34 PM
Why is everything "gay this" and "gay that"?

I know. It's ridiculous. I'm just glad the true conservatives in the Republican party realize the government shouldn't mess with those kinds of issues.

Boarder
9/29/2010, 01:41 PM
I got this in an e-mail today:



The question we get daily is about our polling. The New York Times devised a formula using past Presidential Election data and polls run by Republican special interests to make a prediction. The fact is, the polls they're relying on were taken by Washington special interests, and don't give an accurate picture of the race. A blog post which appeared recently describes a push poll that was run in Oklahoma just last week, and just a few days later Rasmussen Reports came out with more ridiculous numbers for our race. Don't be fooled.

badger
9/29/2010, 02:00 PM
I got this in an e-mail today:

Funny, cuz I bet you also got this in an e-mail today:


increase both your thickness and length within a few short weeks – women simply love it when you have a large manhood

:P

CatfishSooner
9/29/2010, 02:18 PM
:O

tommieharris91
9/29/2010, 02:39 PM
I got this in an e-mail today:


The question we get daily is about our polling. The New York Times devised a formula using past Presidential Election data and polls run by Republican special interests to make a prediction. The fact is, the polls they're relying on were taken by Washington special interests, and don't give an accurate picture of the race. A blog post which appeared recently describes a push poll that was run in Oklahoma just last week, and just a few days later Rasmussen Reports came out with more ridiculous numbers for our race. Don't be fooled.

Meh. The only polling on that race is done once a month by Rasmussen.

badger
9/30/2010, 05:52 PM
Just over a month to go. Neither candidate has made any fatal youtubesque mistakes yet, like arguing with a reporter over family stuff and making threats and all :eek:

OklaPony
9/30/2010, 07:00 PM
...Now the stuff on Fallin has been pretty well documented.
Exactly what "stuff" is it to which you are referring? I don't know diddly about her past except that I was less than impressed with the one speech I heard her present at the Pubs convention a couple of years ago. I'm not all that enthralled with Askins either when her ad says she's an "Oklahoma conservative". To me that smells of the liberal tactic of campaigning to the center and governing to the left.

Leroy Lizard
9/30/2010, 07:22 PM
well-documented is a euphemism for unproven.

Boarder
9/30/2010, 08:41 PM
I'm not all that enthralled with Askins either when her ad says she's an "Oklahoma conservative". To me that smells of the liberal tactic of campaigning to the center and governing to the left.

I agree that Jeri's ads are lamer than lame. And you're dead on that the "Oklahoma conservative" is trying to pander to the goobers who can only listen to stupid rhetoric. Which leads me to...

The Fallin ads are just as bad. Anyone who would be swayed by the ones that were not technically done by Fallin are some sad individuals. (You know, "just like Barack Obama!") Mary's own ads are not much better. I particularly like the one I saw today that had Mary only saying, "no one!" at the end.

Pricetag
10/1/2010, 12:33 AM
I hold the candidates responsible for all ads for them/against their opponent, regardless of who it says paid for them. No way do they not run them by the candidate they favor.

Leroy Lizard
10/1/2010, 12:41 AM
I hold the candidates responsible for all ads for them/against their opponent, regardless of who it says paid for them. No way do they not run them by the candidate they favor.

I doubt they do. Why get the candidate involved?

OklahomaTuba
10/1/2010, 09:15 AM
Mary now has over a 30 pt lead over Jari. (http://uspolitics.einnews.com/news/2010-oklahoma-governor-campaign)

It's gonna be a landslide.

Nov is shaping up to be an even bigger blood bath for the donks that first predicted. Possibly the most seats changing parties since the early 1900s.

Soonerwake
10/1/2010, 09:33 AM
I'm just a little curious. For all of you Fallin supporters, what makes her a better choice for governor? What exactly has she done that makes you believe that she will be a better governor than Askins?

I am guess a majority of the responses will revolve around her party affiliation or the ridiculous assumptions about Askins' sexual preference, and not her actions.

Soonerus
10/1/2010, 09:43 AM
Mary now has over a 30 pt lead over Jari. (http://uspolitics.einnews.com/news/2010-oklahoma-governor-campaign)

It's gonna be a landslide.

Nov is shaping up to be an even bigger blood bath for the donks that first predicted. Possibly the most seats changing parties since the early 1900s.

Real polls are showing as a toss-up...do you think anybody believes this Republican propaganda you burden us with ??

Tulsa_Fireman
10/1/2010, 10:41 AM
C'mooooooon Jari!

JohnnyMack
10/1/2010, 10:44 AM
Picking between these two turds is like trying to decide if I want to have to read Russell or Leroy's posts for the rest of my life. Neither one is a very good choice.

Tulsa_Fireman
10/1/2010, 10:47 AM
NO UR NOT A VERY GOOD CHOICE

JohnnyMack
10/1/2010, 11:04 AM
Your face smells like Britney Spears perfume.

OklahomaTuba
10/1/2010, 11:14 AM
Real polls are showing as a toss-up...do you think anybody believes this Republican propaganda you burden us with ??Ok, then show your super secret imaginary "real poll" that goes against every other published poll.

Or not, I don't really care, we all know what the outcome it going to be, both state and nationally.

GKeeper316
10/1/2010, 11:17 AM
i can't believe you people are actually gonna elect a really stupid mega-slut to be governor...

the sad thing is you don't even know why you're gonna elect her.

Pricetag
10/1/2010, 11:28 AM
I'm just a little curious. For all of you Fallin supporters, what makes her a better choice for governor? What exactly has she done that makes you believe that she will be a better governor than Askins?

I am guess a majority of the responses will revolve around her party affiliation or the ridiculous assumptions about Askins' sexual preference, and not her actions.
Because Washington just doesn't get it. No one will fight against President Obama harder. No one.

Leroy Lizard
10/1/2010, 11:47 AM
i can't believe you people are actually gonna elect a really stupid mega-slut to be governor...

The amazing thing is how libs defend their own when it comes to sex (Clinton), but then call those who have been merely accused of having an affair "mega-sluts."

OklaPony
10/1/2010, 12:21 PM
Real polls are showing as a toss-up...do you think anybody believes this Republican propaganda you burden us with ??
How about answering my question from post #112?

Soonerwake
10/1/2010, 01:00 PM
The amazing thing is how libs defend their own when it comes to sex (Clinton), but then call those who have been merely accused of having an affair "mega-sluts."

Do you even live in Oklahoma? There is alot more than "merely accused" here. The affair was admitted by all sides. If you want some "merely accused", I offer up that this was not the first time based on info from people I know that were very close to the situation.

And trust me, I am no "lib". This just happens to be one of those rare occasions when the conservative choice is way in over her head, and is extremely inferior to the Dem choice.

Gandalf_The_Grey
10/1/2010, 01:13 PM
Not to mention if I remember straight, Bill Clinton never ran on "family values" If Fallon was a "mega-slut" and didn't run on family values, I wouldn't give two ****s. If you are mega-slutting it up and run on family values, it basically makes doubt EVERY word that comes out of your mouth

badger
10/1/2010, 01:14 PM
btw, have you all seen the recent television ads? ugggh

Pricetag
10/1/2010, 02:23 PM
Ads for whom? I haven't seen an ad yet for Askins over here in T-Town. Fallin has two ads, the "Just like Barack Obama" ad from the Republican Governors' Association, and the "Washington just doesn't get it" ad from Fallin herself.

Leroy Lizard
10/1/2010, 02:37 PM
Do you even live in Oklahoma? There is alot more than "merely accused" here. The affair was admitted by all sides.

What exactly did they admit to? From my recollection, Fallin and the police officer have denied having an affair. But I don't live in OK so I don't have the latest scoop.

Leroy Lizard
10/1/2010, 02:38 PM
Not to mention if I remember straight, Bill Clinton never ran on "family values"

Doesn't matter. If you call someone a mega-slut, you are detailing a strong revulsion to those who engage in extramarital affairs. Hard to reconcile that with a personal liking of Bill Clinton.

Gandalf_The_Grey
10/1/2010, 04:20 PM
I don't like Bill Clinton first of all. Secondly, if you are running on a family values as your core tenant, shouldn't you in fact have family values. I just don't like hypocrites, so basically i dislike everyone in politics. Askins would not be any better than Fallin but basically in this country you have to choose between two retards 95% of the time.

badger
10/1/2010, 04:27 PM
btw, Bill Clinton was totally a mega-slut of a man. :P

Whether that affected his ability to be president? Well, he's not prez anymore, so water under the bridge for everyone except his poor daughter and angry wife.

Crucifax Autumn
10/1/2010, 04:36 PM
His wife seems to be doing okay, as does his daughter.

Leroy Lizard
10/1/2010, 11:57 PM
I don't like Bill Clinton first of all. Secondly, if you are running on a family values as your core tenant, shouldn't you in fact have family values.

Not necessarily. It is quite possible for a person to know the negative impact of a behavior, campaign against it, and have engaged in that behavior in the past. An ex-alcoholic can campaign against alcohol, for example.

Now if a person encourages such behavior with some and campaigns against it publicly, that would be hypocritical.

But my question was aimed at GKeeper, not you.

OklahomaTuba
10/4/2010, 09:47 AM
People make mistakes. Big F'king deal.

At least she didn't lie about it in front of a federal grand jury, a major crime BTW, or lie about it on national TV for political reasons.

I'm sure your not a big Al Gore aka "Sex Poodle" fan either???

Maybe John Edwards????
You know, the guy that had a love child while his wife is dying of cancer???

Gandalf_The_Grey
10/4/2010, 10:54 AM
I actually hate Al Gore more than Fallin and John Edwards is a special type of evil

Soonerus
10/4/2010, 11:02 AM
Askins was on the field at the Cotton Bowl with Switzer...Fallin could not get a field pass...bawhahahaha....

JohnnyMack
10/4/2010, 11:06 AM
Askins was on the field at the Cotton Bowl with Switzer...Fallin could not get a field pass...bawhahahaha....

Well. That seals it. Askins is clearly the most qualified.

stoops the eternal pimp
10/4/2010, 11:17 AM
Im basing my vote purely on who I think is better in the sack...

JohnnyMack
10/4/2010, 11:20 AM
Im basing my vote purely on who I think is better in the sack...

Then I shall be Emperor of all the World!!!!!

stoops the eternal pimp
10/4/2010, 11:23 AM
its a neck and neck race with howzit...neck and neck

TheHumanAlphabet
10/4/2010, 12:43 PM
Askins was on the field at the Cotton Bowl with Switzer...Switzer is a Dem homer - must be his Arkie coming out.

BTW, I haven't seen any polls, anything published as to current leanings by the public?

soonerscuba
10/4/2010, 12:55 PM
Switzer is a Dem homer - must be his Arkie coming out.

BTW, I haven't seen any polls, anything published as to current leanings by the public?Seems like I remember seeing something with Fallin at 10+, it should be an easy win for the GOP.

OklahomaTuba
10/4/2010, 05:40 PM
BTW, I haven't seen any polls, anything published as to current leanings by the public?It's over. Has been for awhile actually.

Soonerus
10/4/2010, 05:44 PM
It's over. Has been for awhile actually.

I can't wait to throw this back in your face...

badger
10/4/2010, 05:49 PM
It's over. Has been for awhile actually.

I know, but I'll still vote with my heart regardless of what the polls say.


I can't wait to throw this back in your face...

I am undecided, but I honestly wouldn't be upset with Lt. Gov. Askins becoming Gov. Askins.

GKeeper316
10/4/2010, 06:16 PM
how can anyone possibly be undecided at this point???

Leroy Lizard
10/4/2010, 06:25 PM
Askins was on the field at the Cotton Bowl with the man that recommended John Blake.

FIFY

JohnnyMack
10/4/2010, 06:44 PM
FIFY

Sometimes you act like a ****** just to act like a ******.

Soonerus
10/4/2010, 09:02 PM
FIFY

So now we add to your stellar resume, ripping Switzer ? Great...

tommieharris91
10/5/2010, 12:48 AM
I can't wait to throw this back in your face...

I might be a Jari fan, but I've read the writing on the wall. The race hasn't been poled in a month and Fallin has a 20 pt lead. It's over.

Leroy Lizard
10/5/2010, 02:34 AM
So now we add to your stellar resume, ripping Switzer ? Great...

You were the one that mentioned Switzer being with Jari as if his endorsement meant something. Well, he endorsed Blake. How did that work out for us?

BTW, Blake has been in the news lately.

OklahomaTuba
10/5/2010, 08:58 AM
I can't wait to throw this back in your face...All I can say is that if Jari can somehow overcome the 30+ point lead Mary has and survive the biggest democratic election collapse in over 100 years, then be my guest.

Soonerus
10/5/2010, 09:27 AM
A bunch of political neophytes and ill-informed people on this board...fortunately nothing said on this board means a bit of difference...

Pricetag
10/5/2010, 09:31 AM
I wonder if anyone will watch the debates? Probably not enough to make a difference, but I think that would be Askins' only chance, especially here in Tulsa where she doesn't seem to be campaigning at all.

OklahomaTuba
10/5/2010, 11:08 AM
A bunch of political neophytes and ill-informed people on this board...You really shouldn't brag about yourself like that.

OklahomaTuba
10/5/2010, 11:10 AM
I wonder if anyone will watch the debates? Probably not enough to make a difference, but I think that would be Askins' only chance, especially here in Tulsa where she doesn't seem to be campaigning at all.The bigger question is:

will Jeri get fewer votes than the nut running against Coburn did?
http://www.tulsaworld.com/articleimages/2010/20100802_A4rogers0802.jpg

Again.

Taxman71
10/5/2010, 01:20 PM
The polls also had Jari down to Drew Edmonson by double-digits in the primary, so don't ever count Jari out. Plus, national political trends don't always translate to Oklahoma (see 2008).

C&CDean
10/5/2010, 01:41 PM
6 of one, half dozen of the other. Both are yainches, and last time I checked, yainches have physical issues that keep them from being logical for ~ one week each month. Well, maybe not Jari...

stoops the eternal pimp
10/5/2010, 01:44 PM
I bet Askins can back that *** up like nobody else

StoopTroup
10/5/2010, 02:39 PM
Who's runnin' fer Dog Catcher in LeFlore Co.?

StoopTroup
10/5/2010, 02:42 PM
BTW....I've quit voting for folks who makes sense or campaign. I vote for whoever looks the most hillbilly and can play blackjack with a two deck in hand dealer and not go home broke after an hour.

stoops the eternal pimp
10/5/2010, 02:43 PM
Who's runnin' fer Dog Catcher in LeFlore Co.?

I heard Vet is going to challenge the incumbent

OklahomaTuba
10/5/2010, 02:55 PM
The polls also had Jari down to Drew Edmonson by double-digits in the primary, so don't ever count Jari out.Not this one. (http://soonerpoll.com/democratic-gubernatorial-primary-tightens/)

StoopTroup
10/5/2010, 02:56 PM
I heard Vet is going to challenge the incumbent

I said fer Catcher not Humper....:D

stoops the eternal pimp
10/5/2010, 03:08 PM
ohhh..he's out of the race then

OklaPony
10/5/2010, 05:48 PM
A bunch of political neophytes and ill-informed people on this board...fortunately nothing said on this board means a bit of difference...
I'm still waiting for you to answer my question from a couple of pages ago. What's the documented stuff on Fallin?

Viking Kitten
10/5/2010, 06:57 PM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=13&articleid=19981222_Ne_a13divor&archive=yes

olevetonahill
10/5/2010, 07:03 PM
VK, Thanks for that, Is there any thing current ? That to me was just a bunch of He said / she said stuff.:confused:

Viking Kitten
10/5/2010, 07:07 PM
She is currently married to Wade Christensen. That news story was taken from court documents filed at the time the alleged adultery took place, ca. 1998.

olevetonahill
10/5/2010, 07:16 PM
She is currently married to Wade Christensen. That news story was taken from court documents filed at the time the alleged adultery took place, ca. 1998. I wasn't in the SUV at Lake Dirtybird with them, so I can't really speculate on whether they actually "did it" or not.

Who got the Kids ?

Wishboned
10/5/2010, 07:25 PM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=13&articleid=19981222_Ne_a13divor&archive=yes

So she was allegedly seeing a psychic. From Okmulgee.


I don't believe it. Any psychic worth a damn would have had the sixth sense to get out of that ****hole town as soon as they could.

Soonerus
10/5/2010, 08:36 PM
:texan: U
VK, Thanks for that, Is there any thing current ? That to me was just a bunch of He said / she said stuff.:confused:


She is still doing it...Oklahoman's who vote for her are fools...

OUthunder
10/5/2010, 09:32 PM
Oo... good call!

And yeah, please don't assume that just because a chick is single that she is not interested in guys... and just because she is not interested in you does not mean she doesn't like guys, period. It's just that she does not like you, period.

Jari is more liberal than more Oklahoma Republicans, but she is much more conservative than most federal-level Democrats (like Obama) that voters have grown to hate over the past two years.

So, yeah... in the gubernatorial race, vote on the issues, don't vote on party affiliation or sexual orientation... gawww, can't believe I typed that out.


Honestly, what sober guy would **** that?

CatfishSooner
10/5/2010, 10:17 PM
Fallin is a mega SLUT!!!!!!

Leroy Lizard
10/5/2010, 11:09 PM
No stained dress? No admissions? No lying under oath?

Truly disappointing.

OklahomaTuba
10/6/2010, 09:28 AM
Fallin is a mega SLUT!!!!!!So you're saying she's a democrat???

OklaPony
10/6/2010, 10:41 AM
Now I know why soonerus wouldn't answer my question. There is no truly documented stuff, only rumor and unsubstantiated claims by a PI who was hired by her husband.

Right, got it.

I thought his was a particularly interesting quote from the article:

"Mary Fallin, who filed for divorce three weeks ago, has charged that her husband mentally and physically abused her and had illicitly used drugs."
Does anybody know if this was actually proven or disproven?

OklahomaTuba
10/6/2010, 10:46 AM
Seems soonerus relys on rumor and unsubstantiated claims for all of his "facts", like polling data.

And Mary has said she won't talk about it because of the abusive nature of that relationship.

Again, she's no John Edwards or Sex Poodle, that's for sure.

olevetonahill
10/6/2010, 10:53 AM
Seems soonerus relys on rumor and unsubstantiated claims for all of his "facts", like polling data.
.

TUBA, Did you really just type this? Really?????
Dude i usually just Ignore what you say but this is the Most inane crap I've seen ya post.:eek:
If by any stretch Rus does this, is yer Post not a simple case of
http://www.moccasin.com.au/messandnoise/pot-kettle.jpg

Soonerus
10/6/2010, 11:04 AM
Now I know why soonerus wouldn't answer my question. There is no truly documented stuff, only rumor and unsubstantiated claims by a PI who was hired by her husband.

Right, got it.

I thought his was a particularly interesting quote from the article:

Does anybody know if this was actually proven or disproven?

I feel no inner need to answer any of your questions or the other guy's either...do a little research it is not hard to document...public knowledge at the time...

OklahomaTuba
10/6/2010, 11:05 AM
TUBA, Did you really just type this? Really?????
Dude i usually just Ignore what you say but this is the Most inane crap I've seen ya post.:eek:
Why is that inane? I always provide sources.

olevetonahill
10/6/2010, 11:07 AM
Why is that inane? I always provide sources.

Whatever :rolleyes:

Soonerus
10/6/2010, 11:09 AM
Just another Bandito...

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 11:09 AM
Now I know why soonerus wouldn't answer my question. There is no truly documented stuff, only rumor and unsubstantiated claims by a PI who was hired by her husband.

To me, it sounds a little preposterous. I can see a hotel rendezvous, but it's a bit much to think that the Lt. Gov of the state would walk around Lake Thunderbird holding hands with her bodyguard.

And apparently no one else saw them.

I guess the question is: Do we know that this wasn't a setup by an enraged husband out to get even?

Or is this a story that we just want to believe?

Maybe it did happen, but the scant evidence presented so far sounds real fishy.

Soonerus
10/6/2010, 11:11 AM
To me, it sounds a little preposterous. I can see a hotel rendezvous, but it's a bit much to think that the Lt. Gov of the state would walk around Lake Thunderbird holding hands with her bodyguard.

And apparently no one else saw them.

I guess the question is: Do we know that this wasn't a setup by an enraged husband out to get even?

Or is this a story that we just want to believe?

Maybe it did happen, but the scant evidence presented so far sounds real fishy.

What rock have you guys been living under, this has been public knowledge for years...

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 11:12 AM
What rock have you guys been living under, this has been public knowledge for years...

public knowledge = unsubstantiated rumors.

C'mon, we know the lingo.

Soonerus
10/6/2010, 11:14 AM
public knowledge = unsubstantiated rumors.

C'mon, we know the lingo.

I got it, you really have been living under a rock...

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 11:14 AM
BTW, if the PI really did set up surveillance, than she should have about a zillion photographs and video. There wouldn't be any "alleged" about it as Mary's tryst would be recorded with undeniable evidence. But all that appears in the article is (apparently) testimony. Is this a PI that has no money for technology?

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 11:15 AM
I got it, you really have been living under a rock...

State the evidence or STFU. This "public knowledge" angle is total crap.

Soonerus
10/6/2010, 11:16 AM
BTW, if the PI really did set up surveillance, than she should have about a zillion photographs and video. There wouldn't be any "alleged" about it as Mary's tryst would be recorded with undeniable evidence. But all that appears in the article is (apparently) testimony. Is this a PI that has no money for technology?

Norman Police caught her topless at the lake with her "friend"...

OklahomaTuba
10/6/2010, 11:17 AM
Whatever :rolleyes:So you're saying you just typed an unsubstantiated rumor or claim, with no basis in fact?

Ironic, isn't it? ;)

Soonerus
10/6/2010, 11:17 AM
State the evidence or STFU. This "public knowledge" angle is total crap.

Duh, I have stated the evidence...

JohnnyMack
10/6/2010, 11:17 AM
Watching Tuba, Leroy and Rus fight over Fallin and Askins is really probably pretty close to the low point for this website.

Soonerus
10/6/2010, 11:18 AM
So you're saying you just typed an unsubstantiated rumor or claim, with no basis in fact?

Ironic, isn't it? ;)

So your saying you used to play tuba in the OU band...

OklahomaTuba
10/6/2010, 11:18 AM
Norman Police caught her topless at the lake with her "friend"...Did the Norman Police also do that super secret Governor race poll showing Jeri up 112 pts over Mary???

Poor Soonerus, he's so desperate he has to make up ****.

Soonerus
10/6/2010, 11:19 AM
Watching Tuba, Leroy and Rus fight over Fallin and Askins is really probably pretty close to the low point for this website.

Geez Johhny, you have seen a lot worse than this...

Soonerus
10/6/2010, 11:20 AM
Did the Norman Police also do that super secret Governor race poll showing Jeri up 112 pts over Mary???

Poor Soonerus, he's so desperate he has to make up ****.

All facts, ignore them if you choose...sure sign of ignorance...

OklahomaTuba
10/6/2010, 11:20 AM
So your saying you used to play tuba in the OU band...Damn, you're good.

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 11:21 AM
Norman Police caught her topless at the lake with her "friend"...

Link?

badger
10/6/2010, 11:22 AM
Did the Norman Police also do that super secret Governor race poll showing Jeri up 112 pts over Mary???

It was probably a typo - Askins up 112 votes, not points. Norman will vote for Wallace Collins, so they'll probably vote for Jari too.

;)

OklahomaTuba
10/6/2010, 11:26 AM
Link?
[hairGel] DON'T IGNORE THE FACTS!!@!!@!!!!#$#$!#$

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 11:35 AM
[hairGel] DON'T IGNORE THE FACTS!!@!!@!!!!#$#$!#$

Heh.

I find it amazing that soonerus actually attended law school. I mean, "it's public knowledge"? WTF is that? I can just see using that in a brief. "Your Honor, can we dispense with the need for physical evidence? It's public knowledge." I bet that would go over well.

stoops the eternal pimp
10/6/2010, 11:39 AM
court of law= message board?

StoopTroup
10/6/2010, 11:51 AM
Heh.

I find it amazing that soonerus actually attended law school. I mean, "it's public knowledge"? WTF is that? I can just see using that in a brief. "Your Honor, can we dispense with the need for physical evidence? It's public knowledge." I bet that would go over well.

I would like to see you and Rus go Mano y Mano on Jeopardy. Rus=Sean Connery vs Leroid = Tom Hanks :pop: :D :cool:

u_yndNXGnPM

OklahomaTuba
10/6/2010, 12:06 PM
I find it amazing that soonerus actually attended law school.Well actually, knowing that he went to law school makes even more sense!

badger
10/6/2010, 12:38 PM
Nine reasons not to attend law school. (http://legalgeekery.com/2009/01/03/9-reasons-not-to-attend-law-school/)

I have disagreed a'many times with Rus in the past, but you have to respect people that endure the law school thing and make it out alive.

Oh...wait... isn't this supposed to be about Askins vs. Fallin? They were at some forum in Tulsa today to talk about issues or something. I'll post a link if I see it on any of the local media. Maybe some TV station shots some video or something?

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 01:16 PM
Oh...wait... isn't this supposed to be about Askins vs. Fallin? They were at some forum in Tulsa today to talk about issues or something. I'll post a link if I see it on any of the local media. Maybe some TV station shots some video or something?

Who needs video? We can rely on the word of an anonymous PI investigator on what happened in Tulsa.

As for the 9 Reasons web page, every major thinks they have it the hardest.

And I wish I had a nickel for every time I heard someone claim to have completed upper division math or physics courses when, in fact, they completed an introductory modern physics survey course for non-majors. ("Yes, Bambi, the course is called Real Algebra, but this isn't `solve for x.' But please don't drop it. We really like having you in class.")

Viking Kitten
10/6/2010, 02:00 PM
For the record, I could give a rat's a** about whom either of these ladies sleeps with. I have however, met them both numerous times, and attended several campaign events and candidate forums. It becomes clear very quickly which one is political fluff and redundant talking points, and which one actually has substance and understanding of the numerous issues facing the state.

They will debate Oct. 19 at UCO in Edmond at 7 p.m. and again on Oct. 28 in Tulsa on the OSU Tulsa campus, also at 7 p.m. Both will likely be televised. Listen to both candidates and you will easily figure out which is which.

olevetonahill
10/6/2010, 02:03 PM
What channel YOU on in Tulsa ?

Viking Kitten
10/6/2010, 02:06 PM
UHF Channel 62.

olevetonahill
10/6/2010, 02:10 PM
Will Yall be airing em ?

JohnnyMack
10/6/2010, 02:11 PM
UHF Channel 62.

I'm in that movie. Somewhere in the background of random extras.

Viking Kitten
10/6/2010, 02:11 PM
Nah, 7 pm is when we show Beverly Hillbillies reruns.

OklahomaTuba
10/6/2010, 02:13 PM
It becomes clear very quickly which one is political fluff and redundant talking points, and which one actually has substance and understanding of the numerous issues facing the state.Yes, important issues, like giving away "free" tuition, healthcare, etc to illegal immigrants.

That's an important issue of Jeri's.

badger
10/6/2010, 02:19 PM
Ok beyonces, it wasn't really a debate, so much as it was a Q&A - and they both said they are against 744.

Linky (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=262&articleid=20101006_262_0_hrimgs351158)

More importantly, Friday, this Friday, the bye week Friday so you won't have to worry about tailgating instead of REGISTERING TO VOTE, because that's when the deadline is. You officially lose your right to complain about Fallin's divorce or Jari's haircut if you don't get your arse registered. If you haven't been the voting type in the past, remember that you can't just walk up to a poll and expect a ballot come Nov. 2, you have to be registered. Also, since this is the main election, you can file as indy. Just make sure to switch your registration if you want to vote in a primary later.

More info here. (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=262&articleid=20101006_262_0_hrimgs185557)

Thanks for the head's up on the debates, Viking. They're the only reason I'm still undecided. We've heard tons of crap of the ladies' appearances, martial status and school affiliation. It's time to hear where they stand on what's important to Oklahoma!

JohnnyMack
10/6/2010, 02:27 PM
Yes, important issues, like giving away "free" tuition, healthcare, etc to illegal immigrants.

That's an important issue of Jeri's.

Tuba we've established that you'll vote straight R no matter what. We all get that. You really don't even need to be here anymore.

Gandalf_The_Grey
10/6/2010, 02:31 PM
Umm i totally support the DREAM thing. Does that make me too liberal to be Oklahoman. I am just saying if someone signs up to defend and fight for this country, shouldn't that be a path to a citizenship. Also funny how Fallin voted on 95% of issues up until about a year ago. Seems awfully fishy like maybe she didn't want to accidentally vote for something that might offend our super conservative state that wants zero dollars spend on ANYTHING but fix our roads!!

stoops the eternal pimp
10/6/2010, 02:35 PM
I wonder if either takes it in the pooper

JohnnyMack
10/6/2010, 02:37 PM
I wonder if either takes it in the pooper

Well between those two and you I know at least one that does.

stoops the eternal pimp
10/6/2010, 02:45 PM
its the mark of a high quality individual

Gandalf_The_Grey
10/6/2010, 02:48 PM
Can't we all agree that whoever gets elected...we are screwed

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 03:00 PM
Too many politicians say what they need to say to get elected. How many times have people been burned on this? So if you are conservative, vote for the candidate you KNOW will support a conservative agenda after she is elected. Do not vote for a candidate who SAYS she will, but you're really not certain.

Whether one person stumbles when speaking, or looks ugly, or sleeps around... that stuff isn't important. You know what is important to you: Vote for the person you know will sign those bills that correlate to your ideals and will veto those that don't.

And that's pretty much how I vote.

If you are liberal, the choice is clear. Jeri might sign your favorite bills, but she might not. Fallin won't.

C&CDean
10/6/2010, 03:03 PM
Well between those two and you I know at least one that does.

Well between those two and you two I'm guaranteed to bat .500.

Partial Qualifier
10/6/2010, 03:54 PM
For the record, I could give a rat's a** about whom either of these ladies sleeps with. I have however, met them both numerous times, and attended several campaign events and candidate forums. It becomes clear very quickly which one is political fluff and redundant talking points, and which one actually has substance and understanding of the numerous issues facing the state.

They will debate Oct. 19 at UCO in Edmond at 7 p.m. and again on Oct. 28 in Tulsa on the OSU Tulsa campus, also at 7 p.m. Both will likely be televised. Listen to both candidates and you will easily figure out which is which.

I have a feeling Askins is the one who is *not* fluff.

I'm conservative, but I'd vote for Askins -- the torture of seeing her pancake face on TV for 4 years notwithstanding.

We knew Joe Fallin during the time Mary was running for the state House seat, early 90's. Joe is a really good guy & great dad. He pounded the pavement, literally going door to door to win votes for his wife. He was awesome at it, too. He had a huge hand in getting her elected and her career took off from there.

Fallin's affair did happen -- the state trooper resigned after admitting to unprofessional conduct. Their whole family knew it too (despite mary's "denial" in court).

I'd bet most broken marriages are two-sided deals, but Mary Fallin really screwed her husband over, and not in a good way. I have zero respect for this person.

stoops the eternal pimp
10/6/2010, 04:22 PM
Well between those two and you two I'm guaranteed to bat .500.

You know your batting a thousand with Johnny Mack....He likes for you to send it Priority

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 04:38 PM
I have a feeling Askins is the one who is *not* fluff.

I'm conservative, but I'd vote for Askins -- the torture of seeing her pancake face on TV for 4 years notwithstanding.

We knew Joe Fallin during the time...

Not this **** again.

Is there anyone in here doesn't have tight connections with the political power brokers in OK? I asked Billy Sims yesterday and he knows a few, but he doesn't post here. Tonight I will ask Bob Stoops over dinner.

EDIT: Bob just called and canceled his dinner reservations. It appears that he is meeting with Steve Owens, J.C. Watts, and Steve Davis to discuss my entry into their Elks Lodge.

Soonerus
10/6/2010, 04:43 PM
Not this **** again.

Is there anyone in here doesn't have tight connections with the political power brokers in OK? I asked Billy Sims yesterday and he knows a few, but he doesn't post here. Tonight I will ask Bob Stoops over dinner.

You going to Red Lobster to have dinner with Bob...bawhahaha...

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 04:45 PM
You going to Red Lobster to have dinner with Bob...bawhahaha...

I'm his featured guest. Jeri didn't tell you today at lunch?

Soonerus
10/6/2010, 04:46 PM
I'm his featured guest. Jeri didn't tell you today at lunch?

Point of order...Jari not Jeri...

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 04:51 PM
Point of order...Jari not Jeri...

No, it's Jeri. There is no first name "Jari" in this country. ****, "Jeri" is pushing it.

:D

Partial Qualifier
10/6/2010, 05:00 PM
Not this **** again.

Is there anyone in here doesn't have tight connections with the political power brokers in OK? I asked Billy Sims yesterday and he knows a few, but he doesn't post here. Tonight I will ask Bob Stoops over dinner.

EDIT: Bob just called and canceled his dinner reservations. It appears that he is meeting with Steve Owens, J.C. Watts, and Steve Davis to discuss my entry into their Elks Lodge.

Don't feel bad. That's probably how I'd react too, if I were a doosh and discovered I wasted time arguing a point I knew nothing about.

Soonerus
10/6/2010, 05:04 PM
No, it's Jeri. There is no first name "Jari" in this country. ****, "Jeri" is pushing it.

:D

Are you really a 14 year old playing on somebody else's computer ?

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 05:23 PM
Don't feel bad. That's probably how I'd react too, if I were a doosh and discovered I wasted time arguing a point I knew nothing about.

I just haven't yet perfected the "invent a close relationship" angle yet.

I love how you claim to know the inside scoop on whether Mary really cheated on her spouse. I am sure Joe has nothing to do but hang out with you and confide in all the intimate details of his relationship with his wife.

That is some serious :rolleyes:

OklahomaTuba
10/6/2010, 05:28 PM
Joe must be a great guy, since he was beating Mary and all.

Okla-homey
10/6/2010, 05:29 PM
Askins>Fallin. That's my position, and this lifelong registered GOP voter will be voting for Jari. That is all.

Viking Kitten
10/6/2010, 05:31 PM
I just haven't yet perfected the "invent a close relationship" angle yet.

I love how you claim to know the inside scoop on whether Mary really cheated on her spouse. I am sure Joe has nothing to do but hang out with you and confide in all the intimate details of his relationship with his wife.

That is some serious :rolleyes:

Ummm... you do know that Oklahoma is not very big right? I am really sorry if all the people you know are meth addicts, but that's not necessarily the case for everyone.

OklahomaTuba
10/6/2010, 05:31 PM
Homey, so no issues with Askins on her illegal immigration stance??

Okla-homey
10/6/2010, 05:38 PM
Homey, so no issues with Askins on her illegal immigration stance??

Nope. It's more important to avoid single-party rule. I don't trust the loonies on Lincoln Boulevard to be able to ram any old crackpot bill through with a bare majority without an adult in the Guv's office who has a veto pen. If it comes down to nut-cuttin' on a critically important issue with which the Guv doesn't agree, then the legislature ought to be able to muster the required number of votes to overrride her veto. Overriding a veto is unlikely on the knee-jerk crazy stuff that springs from the fevered brows of the most rabid demagogues in the legislature.

Moreover, Jari's a Sooner and was a fine judge. Mary has never accomplished anything of substance except getting elected and schtooping her assigned trooper.

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 05:42 PM
Ummm... you do know that Oklahoma is not very big right? I am really sorry if all the people you know are meth addicts, but that's not necessarily the case for everyone.

So which major politician are you now going to claim to know intimately? May as well join the crowd. Is it Henry? Fallins? Askins? (It would be good to claim you know either Askins or Fallin right now. Henry... not so much.)

Even if I knew one of the politicians personally, I'm not going to claim it. It's just a cheap-**** way to try and win an argument. It essentially forces your opponent to either concede or call you a liar, which is why it is used all over the Internet. I'm not conceding, so you know what that leaves.

I thought you libs were all about persuasive arguments, and intellectual argumentation, and fanciful debate? WTF is this "Well, I know the candidate personally" crap?

Viking Kitten
10/6/2010, 05:59 PM
Well.. in addition to "conceding" and "you're a liar" there's a third option of just shutting the **** up when you don't know what you are talking about. I would research that option now, if I were you.

olevetonahill
10/6/2010, 06:01 PM
Well.. in addition to "conceding" and "you're a liar" there's a third option of just shutting the **** up when you don't know what you are talking about. I would research that option now, if I were you.

:D

Wow VK i dint know ya was a Liberal. Hell I guess I cant get along with you now

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 06:05 PM
Well.. in addition to "conceding" and "you're a liar" there's a third option of just shutting the **** up when you don't know what you are talking about.

In other words, you got nuthin'! No surprise there.

OklaPony
10/6/2010, 06:15 PM
I feel no inner need to answer any of your questions or the other guy's either...do a little research it is not hard to document...public knowledge at the time...

No biggie. I figured since you're the one that brought "well documented" into the discussion that perhaps you actually had the goods, or at least a link to the goods. I was hoping to learn a little bit more about the candidates but got only silence in return, hence my repeated requests.

As far as doing my own research, I did a little bit. I googled "Mary Fallin Lake Thunderbird Trooper", waded through about the first 40 or so links and there were a whopping 2, count 'em 2, that were relevant to this discussion. One of the two was a compilation that included the Tulsa World article, the other was the Tulsa World article itself. Look, I'm not saying she's a saint, nor am I defending her, but that's a damn long way from being "well documented". Perhaps there's a database somewhere that I'm not privvy to that has more info but that's about all I have to go on unless I hit the depths of the OSCN site. Maybe I can wade through mountains of court documents to find another littel tidbit but I feel pretty safe in the assumption that if there were were any real nuggets of gooey info within, some reporter undoubtedly would've got it printed a newspaper somewhere. As it turns out I'm not going to do that since I'd rather spend that time with my 11 mo. old son. :)

Boomer Sooner!

StoopTroup
10/6/2010, 06:29 PM
In other words, you got nuthin'! No surprise there.

Of all the folks to screw with on this board.....VK is one of those you shouldn't tangle with IMO.

Your continued attempts to **** off everyone on this board isn't really that amusing and it's public knowledge around here that you aren't the first person to try it. You're not even really good at it and IMO you should really quit doing it.

Debate winners are the biggest dicks in the World as they care not of the message...it's just about posturing oneself so that the folks debating you give the **** up on you. Being that kind of winner is one of the saddest things I have ever witnessed in my life as it usually ends up with a kind of "Boy who called WOLF!" type of situation. Nobody really even likes seeing the Wolf eat the Boy but after the horrid ending comes....the tale continues to help all of us teach others to avoid being eaten by the Wolf.

Leroy Lizard
10/6/2010, 06:30 PM
Of all the folks to screw with on this board.....VK is one of those you shouldn't tangle with IMO.

Your continued attempts to **** off everyone on this board isn't really that amusing and it's public knowledge around here that you aren't the first person to try it. You're not even really good at it and IMO you should really quit doing it.

:rolleyes: