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Blue
9/21/2010, 11:55 PM
Orly?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/09/21/obama_mexicans_were_here_long_before_america_was_e ven_an_idea.html

ouwasp
9/21/2010, 11:58 PM
I'd like to make a Red State sorta comment regarding Manifest Destiny. But I shall refrain.

Blue
9/22/2010, 12:13 AM
Do tell. Obama, I figure just wants about 20 million votes come 2012. Good thing Reids amnesty bill failed again. We haven't seen the last of it though.

GrapevineSooner
9/22/2010, 12:28 AM
Not even his teleprompter could save him from that gaffe. ;)

Anyway, I think it's clear from the setting that he was simply trying to score political points with Hispanics by suggesting we're all equal.

Which no rational person in the immigration debate is arguing that.

It's the 'illegal' part of the phrase 'illegal-immigrant' that most people opposed to amnesty have a problem with.

sooner59
9/22/2010, 12:30 AM
That has nothing to do with the issues at hand, IMO.

Blue
9/22/2010, 12:34 AM
First of all, pandering, YES. Playing to the dumbest portion of America, YES. Mexico just celebrated it's 200 yr anniversary...they've only been the country of MX for 200 years.

America became the United States of America in 1789. The Spaniards came to the continent and bred with the indigenous indians oh I don't know, about 500 years or so ago. For him to say "Mexicans" were here before us is just parsing the worst of words and inciting major racial overtones.

This guy get's more pathetic every day.

GrapevineSooner
9/22/2010, 12:39 AM
That has nothing to do with the issues at hand, IMO.

You're right.

It has as much to do with the issues at hand as which extra-curricular activities a Senatorial candidate may or may not have dabbled in while in high school.

Honestly, it amazes me just how much energy each side expends trying to put a stick in the eye of their political adversaries in this country.

If only we all spent the same kind of energy working towards real world problems like illegal immigration, rising deficits, healthcare, or opposing Islamofacism.

Blue
9/22/2010, 12:44 AM
Barack H Obama and George W. Bush are not working for you. They're two sides of the same coin. Divided We Fall.

Lets get together folks.

SanJoaquinSooner
9/22/2010, 12:59 AM
I suppose he could have said "New Spaniards" or "Nueva Espaņoles" instead of "Mexicans" but that would have been confusing to many. Certainly no bigger gaffe than Chris calling the folks he ran into Indians.

But I have to agree Obama's shameless. He's even going after the French and Dutch vote.

Blue
9/22/2010, 01:02 AM
I suppose he could have said "New Spaniards" or "Nueva Espaņoles" instead of "Mexicans" but that would have been confusing to many. Certainly no bigger gaffe than Chris calling the folks he ran into as Indians.

But I have to agree Obama's shameless. He's even going after the French and Dutch vote.

Wtf are you talking about? There were no Mexicans before there was Americans.

GKeeper316
9/22/2010, 01:09 AM
"mexicans" are just the southern indian tribes, mixed with some european blood from when we came over and conquered their backwards asses.

Blue
9/22/2010, 01:15 AM
"mexicans" are just the southern indian tribes, mixed with some european blood from when we came over and conquered their backwards asses.

So tell Obama that. From his perspective we "Americans" took from those "Mexicans" what was theirs. Nevermind the wars that were foght after that over that land.

Our Pres, bless his heart, is an apologist. Too bad so many feel as guilty as he does.

GKeeper316
9/22/2010, 01:25 AM
i know, right?

i mean... they ain't gettin thier land back, and we let em steal old people's social security in casinos and ****.

CobraKai
9/22/2010, 01:35 AM
i know, right?

i mean... they ain't gettin thier land back, and we let em steal old people's social security in casinos and ****.

I say we let the Mexicans have their land back. Isn't that Texas? :)

For Sooners living in Texas, that was a joke. :)

Crucifax Autumn
9/22/2010, 02:21 AM
It's actually most of the southwest US, but that's not really relevant is it?

Blue
9/22/2010, 02:40 AM
i know, right?

i mean... they ain't gettin thier land back, and we let em steal old people's social security in casinos and ****.

You make absolutely no sense.

Blue
9/22/2010, 02:41 AM
It's actually most of the southwest US, but that's not really relevant is it?

Read the article. We're not talking 1800's here. He should have left it at Frenchman and spaniards.

Crucifax Autumn
9/22/2010, 02:48 AM
Ummm...I know that. I was just answering the specific comment in the post prior to mine.

Blue
9/22/2010, 02:51 AM
Well...ok...whatever...and I knew that. Obammys a traitor, though. Right? right?

Crucifax Autumn
9/22/2010, 02:54 AM
I won't say traitor, but I will say he's pretty much the same as every other idiot politician on either side of the aisle.

soonerbub
9/22/2010, 06:47 AM
America became the United States of America in 1789.

???

We might have ratified the Constitution then but we became the USA July
4th, 1776 (big letters on the DOI)

Everyone let this slip by--wow

HBick
9/22/2010, 07:24 AM
I'm in a class right now on the history of California (upper division elective required to graduate for my major so take it easy), but what he said is technically right since the majority of Californian's were Spanish Mexicans when Mexico declared independence. But prior to Mexico declaring independence, lots of people who were living in Mexican territory (TX, NM, AZ and parts of CA and maybe UT?) had already lost their affiliation to their Spanish ancestors because of interbreeding with Native Americans in Mexican territory. This only matters because of the Spanish obsession with keeping their blood lines pure which became extremely difficult, you can view marriage records from the mid 1750's at some historical place in CA where one of the first of the 21 missionaries was set up by the Spanish.

This pretty much sums up about 15 pages of notes from my class.

Also, don't forget that San Diego means Whale's Vagina (thank you Will Ferrell)

OklahomaTuba
9/22/2010, 09:39 AM
You have to pardon his knowledge of U.S. History being educated at a Madrassa in Indonesia and all.

pilobolus
9/22/2010, 10:12 AM
Well, we didn't invite you white eyes over here in the first place, and you can go back where you came from as far as we natives are concerned.

texaspokieokie
9/22/2010, 10:31 AM
ones already here weren't "illegals".

eventually, mexicans will retake tejas. need the immigratin law as bad or worse than arizona.

OklahomaTuba
9/22/2010, 10:33 AM
Yeah. We stole all their land that had paved roads, universities and thriving businesses, etc.

You're all immigros too, dude. Just much earlier ones (just not as old as the that great ancient civilization called the Mexicans apparently.)

pilobolus
9/22/2010, 10:38 AM
eventually, mexicans will retake tejas.


They even have a term for it, "Reconquista", and it's not just Texas but most of the southwestern US.

Leroy Lizard
9/22/2010, 11:53 AM
Well, we didn't invite you white eyes over here in the first place, and you can go back where you came from as far as we natives are concerned.

We are white eyes. We don't need no steenkin' invitations.

StoopTroup
9/22/2010, 12:47 PM
Yeah. We stole all their land that had paved roads, universities and thriving businesses, etc.

You're all immigros too, dude. Just much earlier ones (just not as old as the that great ancient civilization called the Mexicans apparently.)

Leave this "We" out of it for me....My Irish Roots started in NYC....moved on to Missouri and then made use of some free land in Indian Territory. We just heard Missouri was Neutral during the Civil War and decided to open a Pub until things calmed down a bit. :D ;)

Okla-homey
9/22/2010, 01:34 PM
Who says the Bering Strait land bridge was the only way over here? It's just possible my northern European forebears walked over during the last Ice Age.;)

OklahomaTuba
9/22/2010, 01:44 PM
And did you know the Aztecs invented the leafblower?

HBick
9/22/2010, 02:05 PM
Cool fact, the world's going to end in 2012.

THE END IS NEAR, REPENT ALL YOUR SINS

pilobolus
9/22/2010, 02:42 PM
Who says the Bering Strait land bridge was the only way over here? It's just possible my northern European forebears walked over during the last Ice Age.;)


You are correct sir. The Vikings made it all the way to Heavener, OK.


http://www.nsuok.edu/News/Story/1214/Default.aspx

StoopTroup
9/22/2010, 03:15 PM
I bet the Vikings robbed the turnpike attendant.

Leroy Lizard
9/22/2010, 03:26 PM
Who says the Bering Strait land bridge was the only way over here? It's just possible my northern European forebears walked over during the last Ice Age.;)

Yep, which would fully justify Manifest Destiny. Works fer me.

C&CDean
9/22/2010, 03:49 PM
So, what I've learned from this thread is that O is a dumbass, right?

Leroy Lizard
9/22/2010, 04:19 PM
You had to learn that? :D

Chuck Bao
9/22/2010, 06:09 PM
So, what I've learned from this thread is that O is a dumbass, right?

I would have guessed that Hermione Granger used her time-turner to travel back in time to attend her rune writing class and accidentally wound up in pre-columbian Oklahoma. So, she just left us a message saying hi and that she agrees with the hills-and-trees natives at that time that Tulsa>OKC.

bluedogok
9/22/2010, 09:42 PM
I say we let the Mexicans have their land back. Isn't that Texas? :)

For Sooners living in Texas, that was a joke. :)


It's actually most of the southwest US, but that's not really relevant is it?
Yep, also including the Oklahoma panhandle and some include the whole state in Aztlan.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/images/290306map.jpg

My father-in-law jokingly calls themselves Texicans, they have always been in West Texas so the border moved on them but they have no desire for the border to move back.

olevetonahill
9/22/2010, 10:00 PM
from yer map there Bluedog , I can see lettin em have saxet, Cal. and toss in Boise fer good measure ;)

OULenexaman
9/22/2010, 11:59 PM
So, what I've learned from this thread is that O is STILL AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN a dumbass, right?

Fixed...:D

Leroy Lizard
9/23/2010, 12:10 AM
Mexico is just trying to capture the football recruiting hotbeds of southern California and Texas.

JohnnyMack
9/23/2010, 10:48 AM
I'd like to make a Red State sorta comment regarding Manifest Destiny. But I shall refrain.

Ahh manifest destiny. It sounds so much nicer in the kiddos textbooks than genocide.

Howzit
9/23/2010, 10:54 AM
To me this, in a way, is similar to our past with slavery. Yes, it was counter to current mores and standards, was a a human rights catastrophe, and is no longer part of our culture.

The end.

Move on.

Harry Beanbag
9/23/2010, 11:57 AM
Every piece of land is ruled by the people who last conquered it. Whether that's the United States, Zimbabwe, or Mexico.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/23/2010, 12:21 PM
Every piece of land is ruled by the people who last conquered it. Whether that's the United States, Zimbabwe, or Mexico.So, where are those Democrats from? Will the Americans accept Democrat rule?

Flagstaffsooner
9/23/2010, 12:26 PM
You are correct sir. The Vikings made it all the way to Heavener, OK.


http://www.nsuok.edu/News/Story/1214/Default.aspx

And they found the Olevet and drank with him.

Sooner98
9/23/2010, 12:35 PM
So, what I've learned from this thread is that O is a dumbass, right?

Yes.

Also, we've learned that White Guilt is one of the most pathetic things to witness in the world today.

pilobolus
9/23/2010, 12:54 PM
Yes.

Also, we've learned that White Guilt is one of the most pathetic things to witness in the world today.


Why don't you ask some of the red folks living on reservations in conditions like this about "white guilt"?



http://wizbangblue.com/images/2009/02/native%20american%20poverty.jpg

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/23/2010, 12:59 PM
Why don't you ask some of the red folks living on reservations in conditions like this about "white guilt"?

http://wizbangblue.com/images/2009/02/native%20american%20poverty.jpgWhat is it you want to ask this "homeowner"?

pilobolus
9/23/2010, 01:17 PM
What is it you want to ask this "homeowner"?


Do you have reading comprehension problems?

I said, ask them how they feel about the the concept of "white guilt".

OUmillenium
9/23/2010, 01:27 PM
Land Bridge is old news. Solutreans baby, Solutreans

pilobolus
9/23/2010, 01:39 PM
Land Bridge is old news. Solutreans baby, Solutreans

So, the French were the first to settle here?

:gary:

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/23/2010, 02:11 PM
Do you have reading comprehension problems?

I said, ask them how they feel about the the concept of "white guilt".Yeah, I got that part. You like the victimhood schtick. Should we cede the land back to the Native Americans, or to the Messcans?
BTW, who are "we"? Who do you identify with?

pilobolus
9/23/2010, 04:30 PM
Yeah, I got that part. You like the victimhood schtick. Should we cede the land back to the Native Americans, or to the Messcans?
BTW, who are "we"? Who do you identify with?


Yes, ideally, all American Indian groups should have their traditional lands, at a minimum, returned to them.

You whities should make do with what's left, or go back where you came from.

OklahomaTuba
9/23/2010, 04:54 PM
If all the evil white men left, who would gamble at red man's casinos and resorts and smoke red man's discounted tabacco products?

pilobolus
9/23/2010, 04:56 PM
If all the evil white men left, who would gamble at red man's casinos and resorts and smoke red man's discounted tabacco products?


Wouldn't need them anymore. Without the ugly, cruel, disease-ridden yonegs around we could go back to a more traditional way of life. Probably help save the planet too.

stoopified
9/23/2010, 05:02 PM
I won't say traitor, but I will say he's pretty much the same as every other idiot politician on either side of the aisle. :D

Leroy Lizard
9/23/2010, 05:13 PM
Yes.

Also, we've learned that White Guilt is one of the most pathetic things to witness in the world today.

Try "the most." It's a form of masochism that I frankly find repugnant.

Leroy Lizard
9/23/2010, 05:16 PM
Yes, ideally, all American Indian groups should have their traditional lands, at a minimum, returned to them.

You whities should make do with what's left, or go back where you came from.

Go back where we came from? I hope you're not Black.

Leroy Lizard
9/23/2010, 05:21 PM
Wouldn't need them anymore. Without the ugly, cruel, disease-ridden yonegs around we could go back to a more traditional way of life. Probably help save the planet too.

http://www.lookingglassfancydress.co.uk/images/31978_360x480.jpg

StoopTroup
9/23/2010, 05:29 PM
The Mexicans can't even take control of Juarez so why would we need any more of them here?

I can understand the ones already here that don't have a record and pay taxes....the rest better be told they have one year to get a job and get in line for Citizenship or they are getting deported. The ones that are felons? Send them back ASAP.

America as it is right now....is just fine. The Indians don't have to live like that...many of them choose to do so. Posting a pick of someone's shack doesn't mean jack. For all I know that's some meth heads place. There are folks in Haiti that would die for that place.

Leroy Lizard
9/23/2010, 05:33 PM
America as it is right now....is just fine. The Indians don't have to live like that...many of them choose to do so. Posting a pick of someone's shack doesn't mean jack. For all I know that's some meth heads place. There are folks in Haiti that would die for that place.

In terms of staying out of the elements, it probably beats what they had before the white man came. It's not like they were living in condos.

StoopTroup
9/23/2010, 05:58 PM
Thank you Mr. Century 21

http://filelibrary.myaasite.com/Content/15/15819/11189866.jpg

SouthCarolinaSooner
9/23/2010, 06:27 PM
http://www.aztlan.net/quest_for_aztlan.htm

Mexicans love to make up history

Leroy Lizard
9/23/2010, 06:28 PM
Thank you Mr. Century 21

It looks like you're back on your "I must respond to every Leroy Lizard post" kick. I am sure that those who have me on ignore (about 58% of SF) love you for it.

olevetonahill
9/23/2010, 06:42 PM
And they found the Olevet and drank with him.

Hell I gave em a gallon of the OVJ and sent em on their way;)

olevetonahill
9/23/2010, 06:52 PM
Why don't you ask some of the red folks living on reservations in conditions like this about "white guilt"?



http://wizbangblue.com/images/2009/02/native%20american%20poverty.jpg

Yea Bro they had it so much better back then;)

http://www.old-picture.com/indians/thumbnails/Indian-horses-tipi-th.jpg

StoopTroup
9/23/2010, 06:55 PM
It looks like you're back on your "I must respond to every Leroy Lizard post" kick. I am sure that those who have me on ignore (about 58% of SF) love you for it.

FLUFFOFF DIP****

Leroy Lizard
9/23/2010, 07:00 PM
FLUFFOFF DIP****

To answer the question, "Yes he is."

olevetonahill
9/23/2010, 07:04 PM
Look at em now :rolleyes:
http://www.kitayan.ca/website/Images/WasGov2L.jpg

StoopTroup
9/23/2010, 07:06 PM
To answer the question, "Yes he is."

Why don't you put me on ignore dumbass?

bluedogok
9/23/2010, 09:41 PM
You whities should make do with what's left, or go back where you came from.
I was born in Altus, Oklahoma....not many good architectural opportunities there.

That line is crock of ****, EVERYONE came from somewhere, the "Native Americans" are descendants from Mongolian tribes for the most part, shouldn't they have to "go back" as well? After all they invaded the land of the buffalo, just how far back is "enough"?

picasso
9/23/2010, 10:36 PM
Every piece of land is ruled by the people who last conquered it. Whether that's the United States, Zimbabwe, or Mexico.

And it was that way with the natives too. The legendary Lakota Sioux were forced westward from the Minnesota area by (gulp) other tribes. The Dakota stayed and eventually became gubment Indians before revolting.


They in turn made the Crow and such move outta the Black Hills.

Leroy Lizard
9/23/2010, 11:47 PM
I was born in Altus, Oklahoma....not many good architectural opportunities there.

That line is crock of ****, EVERYONE came from somewhere, the "Native Americans" are descendants from Mongolian tribes for the most part, shouldn't they have to "go back" as well? After all they invaded the land of the buffalo, just how far back is "enough"?

It's ambition. You work hard to become technologically advanced to explore and (when needed) conquer.

This man understood what "running up the score" meant.

http://users.moscow.com/khakimian/images/vikings2.jpg

Sure, our ideals have changed. But you can't go back and rewrite the rules that were in place at the time.

And now, a word from our sponsor: StoopTroup.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/24/2010, 01:06 AM
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RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/24/2010, 01:13 AM
Wouldn't need them anymore. Without the ugly, cruel, disease-ridden yonegs around we could go back to a more traditional way of life. Probably help save the planet too.Ugh! Heap Big Anger inhabit Buffalo -dependent Warmer.
Urban Dictionary: yoneg
Tsalagi (Cherokee) for "bear". Can be applied to gruff or burly people.

Howzit
9/24/2010, 08:38 AM
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Living proof that as people approach octagenariania they often revert to adolescecnt-like behavior.

Poopy head.

Veritas
9/24/2010, 08:40 AM
Ugh! Heap Big Anger inhabit Buffalo -dependent Warmer.
Urban Dictionary: yoneg
Tsalagi (Cherokee) for "bear". Can be applied to gruff or burly people.
Don't run him off, pilocrazy is fun to watch.

Harry Beanbag
9/24/2010, 10:25 AM
Why don't you ask some of the red folks living on reservations in conditions like this about "white guilt"?



http://wizbangblue.com/images/2009/02/native%20american%20poverty.jpg


They obviously aren't home, the brand new Escalade is missing.

OUthunder
9/24/2010, 10:30 AM
So were cockroaches but I don't really care for them much either.

pilobolus
9/24/2010, 02:25 PM
Ugh! Heap Big Anger inhabit Buffalo -dependent Warmer.
Urban Dictionary: yoneg
Tsalagi (Cherokee) for "bear". Can be applied to gruff or burly people.

yona is bear, yoneg is honkie

JohnnyMack
9/24/2010, 02:57 PM
So were cockroaches but I don't really care for them much either.

Stay classy, San Diego.