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olevetonahill

9/7/2010, 08:31 PM

What say Yall about this

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100908/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning

Chuck Bao

9/7/2010, 08:36 PM

Why would anyone want to deliberately insult another religion? Is that really Christian? If you go by history, maybe so. If you go by the holy scripture, maybe not.

yermom

9/7/2010, 08:37 PM

as long as i can burn bibles at the same time ;)

Leroy Lizard

9/7/2010, 08:39 PM

Freedom of speech! Freedom of speech!

47straight

9/7/2010, 08:40 PM

Nay. I get the point. It's just not worth making at all.

Frozen Sooner

9/7/2010, 08:40 PM

You have every right to burn a Koran. I reserve the right to think you're a ****ing moron for doing so. Unless you're cold.

47straight

9/7/2010, 08:41 PM

Freedom of speech! Freedom of speech!

Heh.

GKeeper316

9/7/2010, 08:41 PM

they can do whatever they want, within the bounds of the law... just like every other american.

we should all stand up and defend their right to do this, regardless if you agree with the action or not, and to say anything otherwise proves you care not for individual liberties.

Ike

9/7/2010, 08:58 PM

In order for me to have the expectation of the right to say whatever I damn well please, I have to allow for others to say whatever they damn well please. Even when those other people are being stupid and pointless.

olevetonahill

9/7/2010, 09:16 PM

I think the Main issue that folks have against this is the Fact that The Radicals will use it as more fuel for their hatred for us .
Im kinda shocked that they caint see that It is the same principle, as The Muslim Mosque in NY . folks may not like it but they have every right to build it . Folks may not like Burning the Quran , but they to have the right to do so..
I do however fear for those Americans who are in Afghanistan and any travelers in that part of the world , Cause those ****ing people Nutso:eek:

SunnySooner

9/7/2010, 09:19 PM

GK and Ike, you're absolutely right--they bygawd have the right to burn the Quran, and many people have died for that right. That is totally correct.

The problem I have with this little exercise of that particular blood-bought right is that it will likely put some people I like a whole bunches in more danger than they are already in. 'Cause they're already sitting out there on the pointy tip of the sword of freedom, trying to calm the "welcoming" crowds, and this little show will throw a bunch of starter fluid on a roaring fire, thereby endangering all of those near.

It's not about their right to burn it. They have it, that's not in question. But the reason they have that right is because other people have paid the price for that right, and I can't understand why they would want to do anything that might even POSSIBLY make life more dangerous for one of those who have sworn to die if needed to protect them...and their rights...to do dumb things and make the chance of dying higher...gotta stop before the irony makes my brain explode.

They shouldn't burn the Quran. We all already know they hate it and Muslims, got it. Burning it may well endanger servicemembers. Beyond dumb, it's reckless and negligent. If they go thru with it, they may end up with American blood on their hands, and somehow I think God will not be pleased.

1890MilesToNorman

9/7/2010, 09:21 PM

Are they serving beer at this burning?

Breadburner

9/7/2010, 09:32 PM

They cant ****ing hate us anymore than they already do.....That being said....I do think it will escalate into more trouble for our troops....

olevetonahill

9/7/2010, 09:39 PM

Sunny , YOU said better than I did.

In MHO its much like yelling FIRE in a crowded Theater, It aint to smart . While I tend to agree about the backing down that the preacher is talking about , I also dont think its very smart to toss Gas on a fire.

Veritas

9/7/2010, 10:03 PM

Same answer as the (two blocks away from) Ground Zero (rec center that's being called a) Mosque: they have the right to do it, I have right to make s'mores over the fire.

btk108

9/7/2010, 11:08 PM

Yah they have the right to burn it....but do they have the sense not to.

Kinda like calling somebody everyname in the book until he finally punches you in the face. You didn't violate his rights, but it wasn't very smart was it? and look what it got you.

We still have American military in Muslim land, why make them more of a target?

GKeeper316

9/7/2010, 11:11 PM

GK and Ike, you're absolutely right--they bygawd have the right to burn the Quran, and many people have died for that right. That is totally correct.

The problem I have with this little exercise of that particular blood-bought right is that it will likely put some people I like a whole bunches in more danger than they are already in. 'Cause they're already sitting out there on the pointy tip of the sword of freedom, trying to calm the "welcoming" crowds, and this little show will throw a bunch of starter fluid on a roaring fire, thereby endangering all of those near.

It's not about their right to burn it. They have it, that's not in question. But the reason they have that right is because other people have paid the price for that right, and I can't understand why they would want to do anything that might even POSSIBLY make life more dangerous for one of those who have sworn to die if needed to protect them...and their rights...to do dumb things and make the chance of dying higher...gotta stop before the irony makes my brain explode.

They shouldn't burn the Quran. We all already know they hate it and Muslims, got it. Burning it may well endanger servicemembers. Beyond dumb, it's reckless and negligent. If they go thru with it, they may end up with American blood on their hands, and somehow I think God will not be pleased.

is it a question of discretion or the right to say or do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone physically or financially?

i agree that the actions of these idiots will likely cause more americans to die, but i would be more concerned with americans having their liberties restricted, just because some other people don't agree with them.

who was it that said "I may not agree with you, but I'll defend, to the death, your right to say it"?

and therein lies the difference between the united states and, say, saudi arabia or some other islamic state. they base their laws on the religious principles of their faith, and we use the constitution. as long as the constitution says they can burn a stack of Korans, we will protect them while doing so. its the same constitution that says they can build a mosque next door to ground zero.

ouwasp

9/7/2010, 11:44 PM

burn baby burn.....

what are they gonna do, hate us more? Launch attacks on innocent civilians? Surely followers of this "religion of peace" wouldn't do...oops....

Still, wouldn't we be better served to ignore those islamic pr!cks?

If somebody wants to desecrate their book, just take it to a local pig farm and shove it into a manure pile. That would really get 'em...

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!

9/8/2010, 12:47 AM

#5, 6 and 10 above, among others. (yeah, I agree with Frozen on something)

Leroy Lizard

9/8/2010, 01:15 AM

I think the Main issue that folks have against this is the Fact that The Radicals will use it as more fuel for their hatred for us .

They already hate us.

They hate us for our porn industry. Should we outlaw it?

They hate us for our consumption of alcohol. Do you want Prohibition?

They hate us for not outlawing homosexuality. Do you want to ban it?

How far are you willing to bend over for them in order not to anger them? Let's hear it.

SteelCitySooner

9/8/2010, 01:51 AM

IT's nothing to do with that. I support the freedom to do it. But I personally discourage it. It's a religion,, and I'd be pissed off of someone burnt my Bible just cuz some people distorts it.. It always comes back to the golden rule don't it?

btk108

9/8/2010, 01:52 AM

there ya go, Steel

Leroy Lizard

9/8/2010, 01:59 AM

IT's nothing to do with that. I support the freedom to do it. But I personally discourage it. It's a religion,, and I'd be pissed off of someone burnt my Bible just cuz some people distorts it.. It always comes back to the golden rule don't it?

I can understand that POV, but to base our decisions out of fear of angering them is what I consider horse****. Are we going to allow extortion to dominate our decisions?

SteelCitySooner

9/8/2010, 02:06 AM

I can understand that POV, but to base our decisions out of fear of angering them is what I consider horse****. Are we going to allow extortion to dominate our decisions?

Huh? It's late I know. You probably been drinking as have I. Can you reword in a way that drunks can understand? heh :)

SteelCitySooner

9/8/2010, 02:33 AM

I can understand that POV, but to base our decisions out of fear of angering them is what I consider horse****. Are we going to allow extortion to dominate our decisions?

I haven't read this entire thread.. Dude if you are talking about the mosque at the WTC location..I think you are off base.. Do they have a right to build one there? Yep, they do. Is it ethically right to do so? Which could offend so many people? No. You are so worried about who we might offend, why don't you take a look at who 'they' might offend? If the Islamic wanted to do something that would bring us all together, they would say " hey, we know that in this great country, we have the right to build our mosque here, but it would be offensive to many people, so in respect to this great country we now call home and the beliefs that the majority of you have, we're gonna move it down the road a few blocks.. And we are gonna strive to build a bridge between Islam and Christianity.. " Hell I am not even religious and that alone would say more than a million words to me..

Do we have the right to build a Baptist church at the holiest place in Saudi? Obviously no. That's the thing that makes America GREAT.. But even if we did.. Would we? I would hope not... And I doubt that we would.. We're kind of a live and let live society.. As long as you don't **** with us.. Again, goes back to that Golden Rule thing I guess..

SteelCitySooner

9/8/2010, 02:35 AM

I can understand that POV, but to base our decisions out of fear of angering them is what I consider horse****. Are we going to allow extortion to dominate our decisions?

I haven't read this entire thread.. Dude if you are talking about the mosque at the WTC location..I think you are off base.. Do they have a right to build one there? Yep, they do. Is it ethically right to do so? Which could offend so many people? No. You are so worried about who we might offend, why don't you take a look at who 'they' might offend? If the Islamic wanted to do something that would bring us all together, they would say " hey, we know that in this great country, we have the right to build our mosque here, but it would be offensive to many people, so in respect to this great country we now call home and the beliefs that the majority of you have, we're gonna move it down the road a few blocks.. And we are gonna strive to build a bridge between Islam and Christianity.. " Hell I am not even religious and that alone would say more than a million words to me..

Do we have the right to build a Baptist church at the holiest place in Saudi? Obviously no. That's the thing that makes America GREAT.. But even if we did.. Would we? I would hope not... And I doubt that we would.. We're kind of a live and let live society.. As long as you don't **** with us.. Again, goes back to that Golden Rule thing I guess..

SteelCitySooner

9/8/2010, 02:38 AM

I can understand that POV, but to base our decisions out of fear of angering them is what I consider horse****. Are we going to allow extortion to dominate our decisions?

I haven't read this entire thread.. Dude if you are talking about the mosque at the WTC location..I think you are off base.. Do they have a right to build one there? Yep, they do. Is it ethically right to do so? Which could offend so many people? No. You are so worried about who we might offend, why don't you take a look at who 'they' might offend? If the Islamic wanted to do something that would bring us all together, they would say " hey, we know that in this great country, we have the right to build our mosque here, but it would be offensive to many people, so in respect to this great country we now call home and the beliefs that the majority of you have, we're gonna move it down the road a few blocks.. And we are gonna strive to build a bridge between Islam and Christianity.. " Hell I am not even religious and that alone would say more than a million words to me..

Do we have the right to build a Baptist church at the holiest place in Saudi? Obviously no. That's the thing that makes America GREAT.. But even if we did.. Would we? I would hope not... And I doubt that we would.. We're kind of a live and let live society.. As long as you don't **** with us.. Again, goes back to that Golden Rule thing I guess..

SteelCitySooner

9/8/2010, 02:39 AM

I can understand that POV, but to base our decisions out of fear of angering them is what I consider horse****. Are we going to allow extortion to dominate our decisions?

I haven't read this entire thread.. Dude if you are talking about the mosque at the WTC location..I think you are off base.. Do they have a right to build one there? Yep, they do. Is it ethically right to do so? Which could offend so many people? No. You are so worried about who we might offend, why don't you take a look at who 'they' might offend? If the Islamic wanted to do something that would bring us all together, they would say " hey, we know that in this great country, we have the right to build our mosque here, but it would be offensive to many people, so in respect to this great country we now call home and the beliefs that the majority of you have, we're gonna move it down the road a few blocks.. And we are gonna strive to build a bridge between Islam and Christianity.. " Hell I am not even religious and that alone would say more than a million words to me..

Do we have the right to build a Baptist church at the holiest place in Saudi? Obviously no. That's the thing that makes America GREAT.. But even if we did.. Would we? I would hope not... And I doubt that we would.. We're kind of a live and let live society.. As long as you don't **** with us.. Again, goes back to that Golden Rule thing I guess..

Leroy Lizard

9/8/2010, 03:37 AM

You completely misunderstood my point, which is:

Whether we choose to burn the Koran should depend on whether we think it is the right thing to do, not whether we will anger people overseas.

GKeeper316

9/8/2010, 04:32 AM

You completely misunderstood my point, which is:

Whether we choose to burn the Koran should depend on whether we think it is the right thing to do, not whether we will anger people overseas.

hell i'll do it just to do it. it isn't a crime. all it does is offend some people. i do that almost every time i open my mouth. no big whoop.

Frozen Sooner

9/8/2010, 07:00 AM

Is it really that hard to understand the difference between continuing to do something because it's something we like to do even if it pisses people off and doing something specifically to **** people off?

JohnnyMack

9/8/2010, 07:36 AM

burn baby burn.....

what are they gonna do, hate us more? Launch attacks on innocent civilians? Surely followers of this "religion of peace" wouldn't do...oops....

Still, wouldn't we be better served to ignore those islamic pr!cks?

If somebody wants to desecrate their book, just take it to a local pig farm and shove it into a manure pile. That would really get 'em...

How very Christian of you...

King Barry's Back

9/8/2010, 07:56 AM

How very Christian of you...

I thought you were an atheist? Why invoke Christ here?

I've thought about this koran burning thing. I can't find a point to it, and I suspect that it is a publicity stunt and nothing more.

You know, Christians get offended everyday. Rock stars, artists and filmmakers routinely ridicule Christianity. Popular culture is not only secular, but sometimes outright hostile to religion in general, and especially to Christianity.

Atheists make fun of Christians on message boards.

But Christians never murdered anybody because of rock lyrics or "The Last Temptation of Christ." They never murdered anybody or burned down buildings because of "**** Christ" or other "art" in that ilk.

When Islam or Mohammand is "insulted," however, look out. Moslems really do all those things.

If they burn those Bibles, I am worried that those Baptists are about to find out what the "religion of peace" really believes. And it ain't very peaceful.

Veritas

9/8/2010, 08:09 AM

If they burn those Korans (ftfy), I am worried that those Baptists are about to find out what the "religion of peace" really believes. And it ain't very peaceful.
Yeah, they'd be better off to read the Koran and find out out sleazy Islam is.

Howzit

9/8/2010, 08:28 AM

Nay.

C&CDean

9/8/2010, 08:44 AM

Winnie?

saucysoonergal

9/8/2010, 09:05 AM

The Nazis got people all excited by burning books!

Burning books is stupid.

StoopTroup

9/8/2010, 09:13 AM

Burning books is ridiculous. Burning Bras was awesome.

Back in the days of Rosie the Riveter there were many folks who weren't in the military but damn sure were behind the U.S.A. Military Machine. They gave up many things for the War effort and even when they didn't agree with everything....they sucked that belt in another notch to support the guys we had sent over to win that War.

This Preacher (?) has been asked by the U.S. Pentagon and the Military Brass to stop the burnings. Whether it's his right to do so or not....I believe it serves no purpose. If it is an act that endangers the lives of any of our Fellow Americans...I believe after being asked to stop and then not doing so...well....it's a traitorist act and he should be taken into custody and jailed in Guantanamo Bay in a cell of Muslims where he can begin again to spread the word of God and convert the lost souls.

http://www2.bakersfieldcollege.edu/jstratton/images/rosie_riveter.jpg

soonerborn30

9/8/2010, 09:57 AM

I can't see a reason to do it. What exactly is the point? To show the Muslims the world over that we hate them and that we hate their religion so much we're willing to burn their sacred text in public?

Islam is not an evil religion, but it has evil people that follow it. Just like Christianity is not an evil religion, but it's had some pretty evil mofos follow it. Burning their friggin Bible just makes Christians look stupid, and worst of all, hypocritical.

You've got the right to burn it, lanky, bushy-eyebrowed preacher dude, but as Sunny said: do you really want to be responsible for what happens afterword?

C&CDean

9/8/2010, 10:07 AM

I can't see a reason to do it. What exactly is the point? To show the Muslims the world over that we hate them and that we hate their religion so much we're willing to burn their sacred text in public?

Islam is not an evil religion, but it has evil people that follow it. Just like Christianity is not an evil religion, but it's had some pretty evil mofos follow it. Burning their friggin Bible just makes Christians look stupid, and worst of all, hypocritical.

You've got the right to burn it, lanky, bushy-eyebrowed preacher dude, but as Sunny said: do you really want to be responsible for what happens afterword?

While I don't disagree with some of what you posted, I seriously think you've got it all ****ed up in many regards. First, it's not us that hates them to death. It's them that's killing us. Second, islam may be a religion of peace, but a whole lot of them **********s sure do get off on violence against not only us, but other muslims of different sects. Last time I checked, the Lutherans ain't out killing the Catholics. Yes, yes, I know there were the crusades...blah blah blah.

Anyhow, I ain't got a problem with burning korans. Just do it in the privacy of your own bedroom. It's nothing but a publicity stunt that might get good people killed. I don't believe in kowtowing to the murderous ****wads, but there's no good reason to burn their book. It's just dumb.

OhU1

9/8/2010, 10:12 AM

It sure doesn't take a lot to get these people jazzed up. They are willing to kill over a cartoon or someone drawing Mohammed: (here's my crude stick figure Mohammed taking a nap: >----0 )

As far as I'm concerned the human race would be better off if all symbolic sacred symbols including flags would be burned. That being said I think it's in bad taste to do so. (but the pissy fit over drawing Mohammed is too way over the line sensitive for me to respect).

stoopified

9/8/2010, 10:21 AM

Nay

olevetonahill

9/8/2010, 10:34 AM

What hasnt been mentioned yet is The preacher dude is planing this for 9-11
as kinda a defiant act to show the Muzzies that we aint skeered .

Im kinda swaying between Dont burn it , why take a chance that even ONE of our people will suffer or die over it. And then Burn that sucker , Pizz those bastards off so bad that they rise up and then we can knock their dicks in the dirt for once and All and be done with it . :D

TUSooner

9/8/2010, 10:52 AM

It's a mean, stupid, childish publicity stunt, and there's nothing "Christian" about it, except a stupid preacher's abuse of that name (which has been abused enough already). Regardless of how it makes any Muslims feel, it just stirs up more hate and fear and ignorance in Americans.
So it's perfectly legal and perfectly stupid.

The irony? Sales of Korans will rise as the ignorant knuckle-draggers go buy them to burn.

yermom

9/8/2010, 11:03 AM

heh. like giving money to UT for all those wh0rn stickers, etc... to put upside down

OklahomaTuba

9/8/2010, 11:14 AM

It's a mean, stupid, childish publicity stunt, and there's nothing "Christian" about it, except a stupid preacher's abuse of that name (which has been abused enough already). Regardless of how it makes any Muslims feel, it just stirs up more hate and fear and ignorance in Americans.
So it's perfectly legal and perfectly stupid.

The irony? Sales of Korans will rise as the ignorant knuckle-draggers go buy them to burn.

I agree, it's stupid.

How about instead of burning the Koran, they hire an artist to create a pi$$ Mohammed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andres_Serrano)???

badger

9/8/2010, 12:28 PM

A big fat nay. Just cuz you disagree, dislike, or even loathe someone doesn't mean you insult them at the same time. Just disagree, dislike, hate WITHOUT burning the Quran, mkay?

OklahomaTuba

9/8/2010, 12:58 PM

How bout we have a "Burn a Whorn" day instead?

OULenexaman

9/8/2010, 01:26 PM

This guy is on quite a death wish....he will need more protection than the POTUS...

Tulsa_Fireman

9/8/2010, 01:30 PM

Every time you eat steak.

And I say torch that bastich. It's not above the common arab population to burn not only our colors but our leaders in effigy. It is not strictly a "terrorist" endeavor, but a sign of discontent at US policy for their citizenry. Given the propensity of that subsect of the world population to succumb to theological rule in matters of state, watch their "constitution" go up in flames. Return the favor.

We've been shooting the bird at the world since we told King George to take his tea and suck it. No reason to stop now.

Dio

9/8/2010, 03:54 PM

Burning a Koran is like building a mosque-ish building near Ground Zero: Yeah, you have the right to do it, but if you do it you're a doosh.

StoopTroup

9/8/2010, 03:59 PM

Mama said to always turn the other cheek and take the high road.

http://www.high-entropy.com/hunger/posted/waterboy.jpg

Scott D

9/8/2010, 04:07 PM

based on what I've read about this guy today, he appears to be an *** with an axe to grind who is in some ways trying to create his own cult.

Tulsa_Fireman

9/8/2010, 04:11 PM

SIGN ME UP.

I brought the kool-aid.

Serge Ibaka

9/8/2010, 06:54 PM

What TUSooner said.

Is the "Muslim-reaction" really a relevant part of this discussion? I find it weird that this debate seems to hinge on whether or not it will inspire a terrorist attack.

No, instead we should be discussing the atmosphere of hate and fear that Koran-burnings exemplify (and perpetuate). Many Americans read the Koran for spiritual guidance. Many peaceful people read the Koran for spiritual guidance. Most people who read the Koran for spiritual guidance aren't terrorists. Also, I'm not a Koran-expert, but the book is just as legitimate (and it's probably no more violent than) the Bible.

Regardless, Koran-burnings are well within peoples' right if they want to do it. It's just a silly, ignorant, empty, and bigoted thing to do.

StoopTroup

9/8/2010, 07:10 PM

The City of Gainesville hasn't given him a permit for the burn and supposedly are being tight lipped as to how they will react should he begin to start the fire.

I'm thinking he's going to be in jail overnight in Gainesville and then Anderson Cooper will do an interview with him and it will turn into some sort of Natural Born Killers remake.

At least....that's what I'm hoping for. :D

unbiasedtruth

9/8/2010, 07:33 PM

I just dont see any good that will come from this..... instead this reminds me of a time spent in the Marlow city jail....

Had weed, ya they forgot to seach us completey, but no papers as the cops found those.... only item in the jail cell with paper was the Bible.... yeppers you got that right rolled a couple of big fattys and lit up....

A Sooner in Texas

9/8/2010, 09:11 PM

How bout we have a "Burn a Whorn" day instead?

Now I can go with that!

And Tuba, you've been especially amusing (in a good way) these days. Where's that been hiding all this time?

sooneron

9/9/2010, 01:03 PM

I haven't read this entire thread.. Dude if you are talking about the mosque at the WTC location..I think you are off base.. Do they have a right to build one there? Yep, they do. Is it ethically right to do so? Which could offend so many people? No. You are so worried about who we might offend, why don't you take a look at who 'they' might offend? If the Islamic wanted to do something that would bring us all together, they would say " hey, we know that in this great country, we have the right to build our mosque here, but it would be offensive to many people, so in respect to this great country we now call home and the beliefs that the majority of you have, we're gonna move it down the road a few blocks.. And we are gonna strive to build a bridge between Islam and Christianity.. " Hell I am not even religious and that alone would say more than a million words to me..

Do we have the right to build a Baptist church at the holiest place in Saudi? Obviously no. That's the thing that makes America GREAT.. But even if we did.. Would we? I would hope not... And I doubt that we would.. We're kind of a live and let live society.. As long as you don't **** with us.. Again, goes back to that Golden Rule thing I guess..

sooneron

9/9/2010, 01:08 PM

But Christians never murdered anybody because of rock lyrics or "The Last Temptation of Christ."

Some fundies and catholics DID threaten to exact revenge on Scorsese for "Temptation" , FYI. There was ridiculous security at the Academy Awards that year b/c of it.

sooneron

9/9/2010, 01:18 PM

And then Burn that sucker , Pizz those bastards off so bad that they rise up and then we can knock their dicks in the dirt for once and All and be done with it . :D

uh, right. So now we're going to roll into Indonesia ( I believe you spent some time in the region), Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria , Jordan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Turkey, Sudan, Algeria, Morocco, Malaysia, Uzbekistan, Yemen, UAE, Niger, Mali, Senegal, Tunisia, Guinea, Somalia, Azerbaijan, Taijikistan, Libya, Kuwait ....?

B/c those are a sampling of countries with a majority of Muslims. Muslims, that might take offense to some hillbilly "reverend". Hell, they may start tossing "cocktails" at our embassy. I'm not saying that they have the right to do so, but odds are...

The BS part of it, is this is some bumpkin in the middle of nowhere trying to stir some **** up and people like me that live and or work in high risk target areas may have to deal with the repercussions of it.

Bourbon St Sooner

9/9/2010, 02:10 PM

Book burnings are so 1930s Nazi Germany.

Leroy Lizard

9/9/2010, 02:35 PM

Book burnings are so 1930s Nazi Germany.

They're no different than flag burnings. The controversy surrounding flag burning was that we were burning our own flag.

Leroy Lizard

9/9/2010, 02:39 PM

Mama said to always turn the other cheek and take the high road.

The problem with turning the other cheek is that we are dealing with a culture that thinks any show of good character is a sign of weakness which they can exploit.

Honesty, compassion, sympathy, empathy... they don't have any respect for any of those things.

TUSooner

9/9/2010, 02:43 PM

They're no different than flag burnings. The controversy surrounding flag burning was that we were burning our own flag.

I guess the preacher's "thought" is that burning flags would be impractical since there are so many Muslim countries, and too dang may flags for a back-woods hick ignoramus to learn to ID. So it's easier just to pisz off everybody by burning a book they all consider holy.

Serge Ibaka

9/9/2010, 02:45 PM

I haven't read this entire thread.. Dude if you are talking about the mosque at the WTC location..I think you are off base.. Do they have a right to build one there? Yep, they do. Is it ethically right to do so? Which could offend so many people? No.

No, this thread has nothing to do with the proposed 'mosque' that is being built in an old Burlington Coat Factory, several blocks away from where the World Trade Center once stood. But since you brought up the topic...

You're right! They do have the right. And that's all that matters. And they should do it, too, because all of the people who are offended by it are wrong and weird. There's nothing "ethically" wrong with the proposed cultural center.

Do we have the right to build a Baptist church at the holiest place in Saudi? Obviously no.

Who is "we?" You appealed to America directly after this sentence. And you should realize that Americans aren't Christians. Americans are Americans, and they're white and black and brown, and some are Christian and some are atheist and some are Islamic. If you're approaching these issues from a AMERICAN-CHRISTIAN VERSUS FOREIGN-MUSLIM perspective, then your thinking is way off base.

Leroy Lizard

9/9/2010, 02:47 PM

I guess the preacher's "thought" is that burning flags would be impractical since there are so many Muslim countries...

His issue is with the Muslim religion, not the countries. So burning flags wouldn't be logical.

Leroy Lizard

9/9/2010, 02:49 PM

If you're approaching these issues from a AMERICAN-CHRISTIAN VERSUS FOREIGN-MUSLIM perspective, then your thinking is way off base.

To say that someone's thinking is off-base adds nothing to the discussion. Exactly why is it off base?

Serge Ibaka

9/9/2010, 02:59 PM

To say that someone's thinking is off-base adds nothing to the discussion. Exactly why is it off base?

Oh please, Leroy. The dude said: "Do we have the right to build a Baptist church at the holiest place in Saudi?"

This suggests that the proposed cultural center is being constructed by Saudi Muslims who are trying to infiltrate American spirituality. And that's not the case, as we all know. They're Americans.

I'm convinced that some people see this discussion as:

AMERICA!! White-Christian-knights! Firefighting heroes who bravely ran up those tower stairs!!

VERSUS

The Evil Brown ISLAMIC EMPIRE OF DOOM!

And that's dumb.

Leroy Lizard

9/9/2010, 03:03 PM

Oh please, Leroy. The dude said: "Do we have the right to build a Baptist church at the holiest place in Saudi?"

This suggests that the proposed cultural center is being constructed by Saudi Muslims who are trying to infiltrate American spirituality.

Only if you think the Baptist church's purpose in his hypothetical scenario was to infiltrate Islamic spirituality. But he didn't say anything like that.

sooneron

9/9/2010, 03:08 PM

No, this thread has nothing to do with the proposed 'mosque' that is being built in an old Burlington Coat Factory, several blocks away from where the World Trade Center once stood. But since you brought up the topic...

You're right! They do have the right. And that's all that matters. And they should do it, too, because all of the people who are offended by it are wrong and weird. There's nothing "ethically" wrong with the proposed cultural center.

Who is "we?" You appealed to America directly after this sentence. And you should realize that Americans aren't Christians. Americans are Americans, and they're white and black and brown, and some are Christian and some are atheist and some are Islamic. If you're approaching these issues from a AMERICAN-CHRISTIAN VERSUS FOREIGN-MUSLIM perspective, then your thinking is way off base.

LOL!!!:texan: :D :D :D :D

Serge Ibaka

9/9/2010, 03:08 PM

Only if you think the Baptist church's purpose in his hypothetical scenario was to infiltrate Islamic spirituality. But he didn't say anything like that.

At any rate, he appealed to a national-classifying that doesn't exist within this discussion. What does Saudi Arabia have to do with anything? It doesn't unless you're inserting some sort of misguided paradigm in which Americans are Christians and Islamic-Americans are therefore more closely related to Saudi Arabia than their own country (and countrymen).

This bigoted rhetoric is nauseating.

Scott D

9/9/2010, 03:32 PM

All I have to say is how anyone can take a "preacher" who has 50 backwoods floridian everglades idjits as his "congregation" and can manage to be kicked out of his own church in Cologne, Germany for trying to turn it into a cult seriously at all is amusing.

God isn't telling him to do this no matter what he says. His desire to increase his "flock" has more to do with it, that and the fact that he's just a hateful little man.

P.S. Paul Teutel called and said he wanted his stache back.

Leroy Lizard

9/9/2010, 03:57 PM

At any rate, he appealed to a national-classifying that doesn't exist within this discussion. What does Saudi Arabia have to do with anything? It doesn't unless you're inserting some sort of misguided paradigm in which Americans are Christians and Islamic-Americans are therefore more closely related to Saudi Arabia than their own country (and countrymen).

I am sure he used Saudi Arabia as an example of an area that has a uniform Islamic identity and whose laws reflect Islamic thought. I doubt the country itself has anything to do with the issue. He could have easily chosen Syria for that matter.

God isn't telling him to do this no matter what he says.

Misguided or not, I think he's sincere in his words.

Viking Kitten

9/9/2010, 04:04 PM

Breaking news: Quran burning is cancelled.

Leroy Lizard

9/9/2010, 04:06 PM

Now what will we complain about?

I know, I know: Leroy Lizard.

landrun

9/9/2010, 04:33 PM

Oh please, Leroy. The dude said: "Do we have the right to build a Baptist church at the holiest place in Saudi?"

This suggests that the proposed cultural center is being constructed by Saudi Muslims who are trying to infiltrate American spirituality. And that's not the case, as we all know. They're Americans.

I'm convinced that some people see this discussion as:

AMERICA!! White-Christian-knights! Firefighting heroes who bravely ran up those tower stairs!!

VERSUS

The Evil Brown ISLAMIC EMPIRE OF DOOM!

And that's dumb.

No. You're the one who is misinformed here. You totally missed the point! He's not suggesting that Arabs are building this Mosque. His comment has nothing to do with race at all. Brown vs white is an absurd accusation to make here.

At any rate, he appealed to a national-classifying that doesn't exist within this discussion. What does Saudi Arabia have to do with anything? It doesn't unless you're inserting some sort of misguided paradigm in which Americans are Christians and Islamic-Americans are therefore more closely related to Saudi Arabia than their own country (and countrymen).

This bigoted rhetoric is nauseating.

You need to go take an ancient history class at a college somewhere. They'll discuss the great civilizations of history. You'll learn about Islam there. You seem to be unfamiliar with Islam's most sacred place on Earth - Mecca. And its in Saudi Arabia. - where Muhommad supposedly ascended into Heaven. Muslims are required to make a pilgrimage there at least once in their lives if at all possible. You don't learn that in white-boy nutt-job Christian churches or listening to talk radio. You learn that at any university in this nation taught by liberal professors. Putting a church in Mecca would be about as appropriate as them putting a Mosque at ground zero. That's the point.

He's not being bigoted at all. His point is simple and somehow you've equated it racism.

Leroy Lizard

9/9/2010, 04:38 PM

No. You're the one who is misinformed here. You totally missed the point! He's not suggesting that Arabs are building this Mosque. His comment has nothing to do with race at all. Brown vs white is an absurd accusation to make here.

Proper definition: Straw man.

He's not being bigoted at all. His point is simple and somehow you've equated it racism.

I can't believe anyone would say such a thing about Serge, or any liberal for that matter. :rolleyes:

Serge Ibaka

9/9/2010, 04:55 PM

You need to go take an ancient history class at a college somewhere. They'll discuss the great civilizations of history. You'll learn about Islam there. You seem to be unfamiliar with Islam's most sacred place on Earth - Mecca. And its in Saudi Arabia. - where Muhommad supposedly ascended into Heaven. Muslims are required to make a pilgrimage there at least once in their lives if at all possible. You don't learn that in white-boy nutt-job Christian churches or listening to talk radio. You learn that at any university in this nation taught by liberal professors. Putting a church in Mecca would be about as appropriate as them putting a Mosque at ground zero. That's the point.

I am familiar with all of this. But thanks for the lesson regardless of the fact that it doesn't have anything to do with anything.

Still, you're missing my point. You're using "us versus them" language as well. Who is this "them" who is putting a "mosque" at "ground-zero?"

"They" are Americans--just as American as you or me. They aren't foreign nationals. So why is it inappropriate for American citizens to build a community center anywhere within their own country?

American citizens building a community center within their own country isn't anything like American Baptists building a church in Mecca. Those scenarios are entirely different, in fact.

soonerbub

9/9/2010, 05:19 PM

Mohammed made "the leap" at the dome of the rock in Jerusalem--that is why the muzzies want that place.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming

badger

9/9/2010, 05:24 PM

Breaking news: Quran burning is cancelled.

Yeah, but the pastor was convinced that he struck a deal to get the mosque at ground zero moved. In actuality, he spoke to a Muslim leader in central Florida who agreed that it should be in a different place and told the crazy pastor that he would do everything he could to get it moved.

The developer for the ground zero mosque and the imam behind it have both said that there are no plans to cancel.

I hope the next headline isn't that the pastor is going back to burning "Korans"

Leroy Lizard

9/9/2010, 05:30 PM

"They" are Americans--just as American as you or me. They aren't foreign nationals. So why is it inappropriate for American citizens to build a community center anywhere within their own country?

You're trying to cast this off as an issue centered on nationality. It isn't. Whether you think that they should be allowed to build the mosque or not, to pretend that their religious background has nothing to do with the outrcry is absurd. Even Muslims will tell you that it's an issue.

landrun

9/9/2010, 06:10 PM

"They" are Americans--just as American as you or me. They aren't foreign nationals. So why is it inappropriate for American citizens to build a community center anywhere within their own country?

American citizens building a community center within their own country isn't anything like American Baptists building a church in Mecca. Those scenarios are entirely different, in fact.

No one said that they aren't Americans, or even suggested it. You've conceived that in your own mind. What "they" are, are followers of a religion, who want to build a worship center for their religion, at the very place where followers of that religion killed thousands of innocent people in the name of that religion. No matter who is a member of what race or nation, it is inappropriate. That's all that was said.

And no one suggested that American Baptist go to Mecca and build a church. That too was conceived in your own mind apparently because you're viewing this whole thing through a prism of racism/nationality.

To explain the point, it would be like Timothy Mcveigh's radical group wanting to construct a monument to him right next to the Federal Building in OKC. They're Americans too but that is irrelevant. It is still inappropriate.

soonerborn30

9/9/2010, 06:27 PM

landrun is dealing out some serious pwnage as the kids would say.

StoopTroup

9/9/2010, 06:42 PM

What's inappropriate is not rebuilding the WTC.

Leroy Lizard

9/9/2010, 06:43 PM

No one said that they aren't Americans, or even suggested it.

You're dealing with "Straw Man" Serge.

47straight

9/9/2010, 08:18 PM

What TUSooner said.

Is the "Muslim-reaction" really a relevant part of this discussion? I find it weird that this debate seems to hinge on whether or not it will inspire a terrorist attack.

No, instead we should be discussing the atmosphere of hate and fear that Koran-burnings exemplify (and perpetuate). Many Americans read the Koran for spiritual guidance. Many peaceful people read the Koran for spiritual guidance. Most people who read the Koran for spiritual guidance aren't terrorists. Also, I'm not a Koran-expert, but the book is just as legitimate (and it's probably no more violent than) the Bible.

Regardless, Koran-burnings are well within peoples' right if they want to do it. It's just a silly, ignorant, empty, and bigoted thing to do.

Anyone who follows a 2000 year old book is just ignorant, so why not burn them?

Oh wait, you're only against 2000 year old books. 1400 year old books are just fine.

47straight

9/9/2010, 08:22 PM

This bigoted rhetoric is nauseating.

What is nauseating is your pathetic hypocrisy.

Dear South Oval: Bigoted rhetoric is only okay if Serge Ibaka is spewing it. The rest of you need to lay the **** off, got it?

sooneron

9/9/2010, 08:28 PM

No one said that they aren't Americans, or even suggested it. You've conceived that in your own mind. What "they" are, are followers of a religion, who want to build a worship center for their religion, at the very place where followers of that religion killed thousands of innocent people in the name of that religion. No matter who is a member of what race or nation, it is inappropriate. That's all that was said.

What about the muslims that were killed in the WTC where they were working?

And no one suggested that American Baptist go to Mecca and build a church. That too was conceived in your own mind apparently because you're viewing this whole thing through a prism of racism/nationality.

To explain the point, it would be like Timothy Mcveigh's radical group wanting to construct a monument to him right next to the Federal Building in OKC. They're Americans too but that is irrelevant. It is still inappropriate.
OK, so you're saying that all muslims are part of a radical group?
Because that IS what you are saying. :pop:

HBick

9/9/2010, 08:33 PM

Well those nuts in Kansas are going to burn the Quran since the Florida Pastor backed down. But they are burning the Quran to protest homosexuality...

These are the jackasses who protest soldier's funerals. I've seen them twice now due to friends who have died in the middle east. Someone needs to stop this.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909743/1412?Title=Westboro-Baptish-Church-to-burn-Qurans-if-Dove-doesn-t

sooneron

9/9/2010, 08:33 PM

And I can't believe people are taking my post in #59 as what I said. You people are seriously slacking these days...

Check posts 25-28

C&CDean

9/9/2010, 08:33 PM

1. Serge, **** off.

2. sooneron, we all know muslims are children of peace. Give it a break.

Leroy Lizard

9/9/2010, 08:57 PM

What about the muslims that were killed in the WTC where they were working?

They weren't the target of the Islamic extremists so they don't factor into this discussion.

StoopTroup

9/9/2010, 09:05 PM

1. Serge, **** off.

2. sooneron, we all know muslims are children of peace. Give it a break.

1. :pop: :D

2. Unless they wear speedos. Then I politely disagree. :D :eek:

proud gonzo

9/9/2010, 10:32 PM

heh

SicEmBaylor

9/9/2010, 10:33 PM

heh

You're stretching.

MR2-Sooner86

9/9/2010, 11:03 PM

They should burn the Quran along with the Bible wrapped in the American flag.

:pop:

Sooner_Havok

9/9/2010, 11:04 PM

If you burn it to smoke a pork roast, does that make it better or worse?

Leroy Lizard

9/10/2010, 12:11 AM

I think some sort of freak chemical reaction might occur. Be sure to have a fire extinguisher handy.

Crucifax Autumn

9/10/2010, 12:19 AM

Someone should actually take one of every single holy book, flag, etc. and burn the entire stack. Everyone would then be against it and they could all gather together in peace and harmony, lynch the burners, and live happily every after in cheerful coexistence.

Leroy Lizard

9/10/2010, 12:22 AM

I'm all up for the lynching part if someone wants to assume the burning duties.

Blue

9/10/2010, 01:34 AM

Why are we even talking about this? Oh yeah, bc CNN and Fox have shoved it down our throats. It's almost like they want to start something. I don't think its very Christian or respectful for this guy to burn the Koran, nor do i think its very respectful for them to build a mosque that close to ground zero, but you know what....they can bc the constitution overrides my feelings. In a hypersensitive out of control PC society, anytime this bs gets pushed in my face trying to scare me into giving up liberties, I'll just not take the bait and say "so what?"

Where was the righteous indignation when an artist in NYC was displaying "Feces Christ" and "Urine soaked Jesus"? Oh yeah, there was none. The media and ACLU celebrated his constitutional right to freedom of expression.

Y'all better watch out. The Orwellian nightmare is inching closer by the day and as long as Americans let CNN and Fox mold their thoughts and conversations and make them feel guilty and ashamed for being a ****ing American damnit! Then we're SOL.

SicEmBaylor

9/10/2010, 01:51 AM

Why are we even talking about this? Oh yeah, bc CNN and Fox have shoved it down our throats. It's almost like they want to start something. I don't think its very Christian or respectful for this guy to burn the Koran, nor do i think its very respectful for them to build a mosque that close to ground zero, but you know what....they can bc the constitution overrides my feelings. In a hypersensitive out of control PC society, anytime this bs gets pushed in my face trying to scare me into giving up liberties, I'll just not take the bait and say "so what?"

Where was the righteous indignation when an artist in NYC was displaying "Feces Christ" and "Urine soaked Jesus"? Oh yeah, there was none. The media and ACLU celebrated his constitutional right to freedom of expression.

Y'all better watch out. The Orwellian nightmare is inching closer by the day and as long as Americans let CNN and Fox mold their thoughts and conversations and make them feel guilty and ashamed for being a ****ing American damnit! Then we're SOL.

Are you Catholic?

Blue

9/10/2010, 01:55 AM

No. Why?

I'm protestant but you won't be finding me at any "Interfaith Gatherings."

SicEmBaylor

9/10/2010, 02:02 AM

No. Why?

I'm protestant but you won't be finding me at any "Interfaith Gatherings."

I'm just trying to figure out why you have Guy Fawkes as your avatar. If you were Catholic then I would understand why. If you're a protestant, then why celebrate a guy who hated British Protestantism enough to blow up Parliament in a vain attempt to re-establish Catholic rule?

Blue

9/10/2010, 02:05 AM

I just started searching for avatars and couldn't find my old one. Give me a break, kid. It was a cool movie. Heh.

SicEmBaylor

9/10/2010, 02:07 AM

Ah.
Right, well, carry on.

SicEmBaylor

9/10/2010, 03:12 AM

I've very conflicted on the issue of Islam and Muslims in general. Intellectually, I'm very liberal when it comes to religion and the free-exercise thereof. I abhor the idea that anyone should be told where they can and can not build a Mosque. There is NO justification for denying Muslims the right to build a Mosque anywhere that, say, the Baptists would be free to build a church. I also totally and utterly reject the persecution of an entire people because of the sins and crimes of others. Intellectually speaking...that's what I absolutely believe.

HOWEVER, in my heart I hate Islam and everything that it represents and the darker side of me thinks that if ever given the opportunity I'd place one hell of a giant-*** order of Zyklon-B and start making arrests. That's how I feel emotionally.

I'm not yet sure if my head or my heart is going to win the rest of me over on this issue.

sooneron

9/10/2010, 08:57 AM

They weren't the target of the Islamic extremists so they don't factor into this discussion.

They targeted those buildings as they were symbols of American Capitalism or Imperialism (as how they saw it). They knew there had to be some Muslims in there. Non-extremist Muslims have been the target of extremists in the past. Why would they not consider those guys "traitors"? To them, those guys are probably worse than infidels seeing as how harsh shia law is on those that live under it.

Frozen Sooner

9/10/2010, 09:22 AM

HOWEVER, in my heart I hate Islam and everything that it represents and the darker side of me thinks that if ever given the opportunity I'd place one hell of a giant-*** order of Zyklon-B and start making arrests. That's how I feel emotionally.

Genocide and Zyklon-B is in your heart? You're not sure whether your heart or head will rule?

Seek counseling, kid. That's some legitimately ****ed-up stuff right there. You're about two steps away from skinning a fat chick and dancing around in the suit you make out of it.

JohnnyMack

9/10/2010, 10:01 AM

Genocide and Zyklon-B is in your heart? You're not sure whether your heart or head will rule?

Seek counseling, kid. That's some legitimately ****ed-up stuff right there. You're about two steps away from skinning a fat chick and dancing around in the suit you make out of it.

I'd **** me. I'd **** me so hard.

soonerborn30

9/10/2010, 10:40 AM

Put the fuggin lotion in the basket!!!

yermom

9/10/2010, 10:54 AM

goodbye horses...

Leroy Lizard

9/10/2010, 12:09 PM

They targeted those buildings as they were symbols of American Capitalism or Imperialism (as how they saw it).

Right. So they were not the target of the attacks. So.... why even bring them into the discussion?

They knew there had to be some Muslims in there. Non-extremist Muslims have been the target of extremists in the past. Why would they not consider those guys "traitors"? To them, those guys are probably worse than infidels seeing as how harsh shia law is on those that live under it.

You're stretching. They wanted to make a big statement and they knew that some of their own were likely to get hurt but considered it worth the price.

Even if they harbored a grudge against the Muslims for not being truly Muslim, I fail to see the relevance to this discussion.

Leroy Lizard

9/10/2010, 12:12 PM

Genocide and Zyklon-B is in your heart? You're not sure whether your heart or head will rule?

Seek counseling, kid. That's some legitimately ****ed-up stuff right there. You're about two steps away from skinning a fat chick and dancing around in the suit you make out of it.

A bit over the top perhaps, but I wouldn't take Sic'Em's comment too seriously.

TUSooner

9/10/2010, 12:53 PM

Genocide and Zyklon-B is in your heart? You're not sure whether your heart or head will rule?

Seek counseling, kid. That's some legitimately ****ed-up stuff right there. You're about two steps away from skinning a fat chick and dancing around in the suit you make out of it.
Easy there. "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats." ~~ H. L. Mencken

olevetonahill

9/10/2010, 01:05 PM

No, this thread has nothing to do with the proposed 'mosque' that is being built in an old Burlington Coat Factory, several blocks away from where the World Trade Center once stood. But since you brought up the topic...

You're right! They do have the right. And that's all that matters. And they should do it, too, because all of the people who are offended by it are wrong and weird. There's nothing "ethically" wrong with the proposed cultural center.

Who is "we?" You appealed to America directly after this sentence. And you should realize that Americans aren't Christians. Americans are Americans, and they're white and black and brown, and some are Christian and some are atheist and some are Islamic. If you're approaching these issues from a AMERICAN-CHRISTIAN VERSUS FOREIGN-MUSLIM perspective, then your thinking is way off base.

So then by yer logic 'They" have the right to build the Mosque and they should do so , even if it pisses off the pope. Right ?

Then by the same logic, that preacher dude has the "RIGHT" to burn their book and he Should do so .:rolleyes:

Scott D

9/10/2010, 01:19 PM

I'd like to build a Taco Bell in Mecca.

C&CDean

9/10/2010, 02:23 PM

I'd like to build a Taco Bell in Mecca.

Why? So all those whack dudes can all fart in each others' faces when they do the bow & kneel silliness?

stoops the eternal pimp

9/10/2010, 02:24 PM

I fart in your general direction...WOOLAA WOOLAA WOOLA

SicEmBaylor

9/10/2010, 03:14 PM

Genocide and Zyklon-B is in your heart? You're not sure whether your heart or head will rule?

Seek counseling, kid. That's some legitimately ****ed-up stuff right there. You're about two steps away from skinning a fat chick and dancing around in the suit you make out of it.

I am purposely being over-the-top, but the point is that I don't see any way to win this so-called war. I really don't want to deal with the Mid-East in an unending war attempting to win over hearts and minds in a vain and impossible attempt to eliminate radical islam. The harder we try the more moderates become radicals -- at the same time we have to do something.

The problem that I have is that I want to end this **** NOW, and I don't see how you can possibly distinguish between moderates and radicals to any great degree. They couch this conflict in terms of a religious war, so maybe it's time that we did the same. It's a war between two world views...the enlightenment and the dark ages.

The point is, there are always going to be radical muslims committed to attacking these United States and they will continue to use terror-style tactics because those are really the only tool/tactic they can successfully hurt us with.

I just can't see how we're ever going to stop this problem unless we totally pull out of the mid-east and wash our hands of it which would require becoming energy independent and abandoning Israel (both are unlikely)...otherwise, it seems to me the only way to truly get rid of this problem is to wipe out Islam and its practitioners killing so many of them that at some point they finally cry uncle.

Serge Ibaka

9/10/2010, 03:20 PM

1. Serge, **** off.

2. sooneron, we all know muslims are children of peace. Give it a break.

Oh jeeze. What's this all about?

C&CDean

9/10/2010, 03:21 PM

Don't worry sic. On 9-15-01 when I found out about 9-11 I wanted to kill every ****ing one of them too. Every time I hear about another bombing/murder/attempted bombing/etc. I wanna kill them all as well. Someday it's all gonna come out in the wash. Froze is just parroting the liberal "you said what? you wanna do what? psycho!!" party line when anyone says something negative about their little brown buddies.

C&CDean

9/10/2010, 03:22 PM

Oh jeeze. What's this all about?

Sometimes you outstupid even the most left of lefties. No biggy.

Frozen Sooner

9/10/2010, 03:24 PM

Easy there. "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats." ~~ H. L. Mencken

There's a difference between temptation and what lies in your heart. But w/e.

Scott D

9/10/2010, 04:48 PM

Why? So all those whack dudes can all fart in each others' faces when they do the bow & kneel silliness?

I'd appreciate if you and your socialist buddies would quit getting in the way of my capitalism. :D

Serge Ibaka

9/10/2010, 05:14 PM

Sometimes you outstupid even the most left of lefties. No biggy.

What did I say that was so stupid?

King Barry's Back

9/10/2010, 08:43 PM

While I don't disagree with some of what you posted, I seriously think you've got it all ****ed up in many regards. First, it's not us that hates them to death. It's them that's killing us. Second, islam may be a religion of peace, but a whole lot of them **********s sure do get off on violence against not only us, but other muslims of different sects.

[Follower of the holy texts of Islam] Islam is a religion of peace, and Mohammed is the merciful forgiver, and I will behead you if you say that isn't true! [Follower of the holy texts of Islam]

King Barry's Back

9/10/2010, 09:05 PM

What TUSooner said.

No, instead we should be discussing the atmosphere of hate and fear that Koran-burnings exemplify (and perpetuate). Many Americans read the Koran for spiritual guidance. Many peaceful people read the Koran for spiritual guidance. Most people who read the Koran for spiritual guidance aren't terrorists. Also, I'm not a Koran-expert, but the book is just as legitimate (and it's probably no more violent than) the Bible.

The fact that you used the word PROBABLY to compare the Bible and the Koran suggests that you PROBABLY don't know that much about Islam and are grafting your own ideas about Christianity on to the religion of Mohammed.

The fact is that the Koran (and its companion the Hadiths) is far more violent than the Bible or almost any Christianity based sect, as far as I know.

What you need to know is that the Koran commands followers to execute both men and women who commit adultery, and the required method of execution is PUBLIC STONING.

You also need to realize that the proscribed penalty for giving up the Moslem faith (are you listening atheist prosyletizers) is death.

You also should know that Mohammed himself enjoyed abusing women serially, and that the Koran justifies and encourages sex abuse, and verbal and mental harassment, of women by men.

You might also want to consider that many Christians think homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry, but that many Moslems think homosexuals should be beheaded.

Yes, it is true that the Old Testament has many violent stories about the war atrocities of Joshua. I would ask you to consider that no where in the Bible is Joshua's behavior put forward as a model to emulate. And the New Testament teachings of Jesus are overwhelmingly non-violent, and love filled, messages of peace and forgiveness.

On the contrary, the Koran and Hadith are filled with stories and lessons that not only teach of violence, but REQUIRE violence of all committed Moslems.

If some or most of today's Moslems don't believe in their holy books' message of violent itolerance -- GOOD! But don't kid yourself that the Bible and Koran "probably" carry the same teachings on the role of violence in the faith. In fact, I'd suggest you read some of the Koran before making such statements.

Leroy Lizard

9/10/2010, 10:13 PM

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/005.qmt.html#005.033

soonersweetie

9/10/2010, 11:04 PM

I'm all for freedom of religion. However, sometimes just because you "can" do something doesn't mean you should.

He should not burn it any more than anyone should burn anyone else's holy book. On the other hand, I'm having issues with muslims popping up in our country saying they can do something because it's freedom of religion, using our own freedoms against us. The mosque thing in NYC for example. If Islam is truly a religion of peace, they should be sensitive to the issues it would raise in America if they built it that close to ground zero.

sooneron

9/10/2010, 11:11 PM

I fail

true...

Leroy Lizard

9/10/2010, 11:14 PM

That's not even remotely clever.

Tulsa_Fireman

9/10/2010, 11:20 PM

Who cares? Why is this even an issue?

Burn the fonking book already and get off my TV. Whoopty-frickin'-doo. It's an expression of his rights just like me saying this whole issue is mindlessly retarded. And not in the cute, works at Burger King sort of way.

In the motorcycle crash, poops himself sort of way.

Crucifax Autumn

9/10/2010, 11:41 PM

All those Twilight books out there and these fools want to burn a Koran. ****ing backward world we live in.

Leroy Lizard

9/10/2010, 11:47 PM

All those Twilight books out there and these fools want to burn a Koran. ****ing backward world we live in.

If you ask an Islamic extremist preparing to blow up a restaurant if he can point to any place in the Koran and justify his actions... he can.

Think about that.

Crucifax Autumn

9/10/2010, 11:50 PM

The twitards probably can too!

Leroy Lizard

9/11/2010, 12:04 AM

Surreal!

Crucifax Autumn

9/11/2010, 12:41 AM

How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

The fish.

Leroy Lizard

9/11/2010, 01:15 AM

You're on fire tonight. You got twitards and light bulbs and fish and...

Crucifax Autumn

9/11/2010, 01:37 AM

You're on fire tonight. You got twitards and light bulbs and fish and...

Cheese Whiz!

Leroy Lizard

9/11/2010, 01:50 AM

You just killed it.

Crucifax Autumn

9/11/2010, 01:52 AM

I know, I was going for the Letterman style, bad joke on purpose, kinda deal, but it failed. Of course if I was Dave I'd just repeat it until someone laughs.

Cheese Whiz.

Cheese...Whiz.

Cheese.

Whiz.

olevetonahill

9/11/2010, 01:53 AM

You're on fire tonight. You got twitards and light bulbs and fish and Limptard on a string ...

FIFY

Leroy Lizard

9/11/2010, 01:58 AM

Very meh.

yermom

9/11/2010, 02:12 AM

If you ask an Islamic extremist preparing to blow up a restaurant if he can point to any place in the Koran and justify his actions... he can.

Think about that.

i can do that with the Bible and something stupid if you'd like.

i doubt you know enough about the Quran to tell me context on something you grab out of it.

SicEm's point about The Enlightenment is an interesting one. it's like that **** hasn't happened yet in these backwards *** countries

yermom

9/11/2010, 02:15 AM

how about killing your rebellious children?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+21:18-21&version=KJV

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (King James Version)

18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

i bet they didn't need Adderall back then :D

religion of peace indeed.

Crucifax Autumn

9/11/2010, 02:30 AM